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Musings and Stuff.

Random thoughts and musings.

Author: singsofdeath

The New Age of MMO Gamers.

Posted by singsofdeath Friday May 30 2008 at 2:58PM
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As a prefix, no, I'm not a person that has played UO from the very beginning and spent millions of hours inside it. I did dabble in UO a little back in the day, but since it was at a time in my life where many changes occured to me, I could never devote nearly enough time to such a game at that point. That changed when DAoC hit the shelves, which I played for  quite a while.


Anyway, the point of this Blog is a simple question. How have MMORPG Gamers changed over the years?


I ask this mainly due to one reason.


Today, the people, the community attached to all MMO's seem to be riddled with a vocal subsection that is increasingly loud in both volume and slander.



Let me go into a little more detail here. When I was first playing UO, even for the little time I did, I had a certain sense of the community. I talked to some people and listened to others talk, I read community sites and so on and so forth. In short, even in a short amount of time, you get a sort of picture of the community if you decide to look for it, and of course that was doubly so in the games that came after that for me.


Did I ever hear people slandering other games? Mhh, not that I can remember. Certainly not to the degree that it is done today. I can't remember one instance where, for example, people in DAoC were ranting constantly about how much UO is a crappy piece of game. Or vice versa. Sure, there were some remarks and maybe even the oddball thread dedicated to the issue, but it was kept in boundries, it was small.


And today. Look at what we have today. Seriously, you'd think the people playing MMO's are a bunch of zealots dedicated to their one true god (their game), and anything that is not their game has to be attacked, slandered, destroyed. Any person playing any other game has to be cleansed, has to be made miserable for even considering playing another game and enjoying it, has to be branded heretic to the true spirit of the God! The amount of the people with this kind of attitude is simply starting to stagger me lately.


It seems as though gamers these days are incapable of allowing others to have their fun without trying to make them look like idiots for obviously not seeing the Light. Anything not conforming to those gamers view of MMO's will be disregarded or ridiculed. No matter where you look, it seems the same, no matter which game you go to, if you look at the official boards (or unofficial in some cases), it's a festival of insulting each other.


So why is that? I realize that, even today, these people are not the majority, but they have grown so much louder (and more numerous) within recent years. Some will claim WoW is responsible for it all (because after all WoW is responsible for everything bad in terms of MMO's ^^), some will say that's just the effect of a growing community.


But why does it have to be that way? I'm not against competition. A healthy dose of competition is certainly needed to make things work overall, but does competition have to equal a state of continual warfare between gamers? Have we indeed reached a point where it is impossible that people simply realize that others might have differing views and allow them those views without trying to discredit them and make fun of them?


I look at these forums and even though realizing it only represents a small faction of the whole, it is sad to see the amount of pure venom running through the posts. People unable to accept that other people might be having fun in a game that they could not grow to like. Unable to cope with different opinions thus they must be attacked and destroyed by any means possible. And I am not talking about people giving honest reviews and posting negatives about any given game. Critique is a wonderful thing in itself, but you have to agree that what some people do these days goes beyond mere critique. It's pure hatred.


This is not just a subject for the huge flame-war around AoC and certainly not just aimed at those attacking this game. It is as much aimed at some of those "defending" it, at others attacking different games and still others "defending" those. It's an all out state of misery as I see it and I really have to ask myself...


What happened to the community to have changed so? Was I blind before? Is it the rapid growth? They say Growth sometimes hurts. If that is the case then I can only hope that eventually, these things will return to their smaller, quieter levels in the future. Until then, I'd urge certain people posting on these boards and on other MMO's boards, just take a moment to think before you post yet another attack that proves only one thing:


That you can't be happy with others having fun where you can't.

mattic65 writes:

It's the same way that a person can be zealously loyal to their favorite sports team. I mean, people have been beaten, killed and maimed at football (or soccer, call it what you will) games. And it all boils down to people having differences in opinions.

There's an old saying: "There are two things in which you don't discuss at the dinner table--religion and politics." Because they are loaded topics, and people become quite passionate in their debates.

Perhaps now the saying should be updated to religion, politics, and games.

Fri May 30 2008 4:20PM Report
Ascension08 writes:

Mattic65 is absolutely right. Also, there's much more diversity now as companies are starting to see the cashcow that MMOs can possibly be...if we weren't a bunch of introspective overly criticizing very friscal people =D! Anyways, I also think it does have something to do with the big increase in the MMO market's size (what is it, 17 million total people now?) And it was a relatively fast change too, maybe 2  years or so.

The insulting and stuff is funny though. You can be out of it while you play the game you like, then come on to sites like this and watch people fight over how good it is. Seriously, it's entertaining! Because you personally know better.

Fri May 30 2008 4:46PM Report
HumbleHobo writes: Well, for one, the players have come to expect more polish these days. They have come to demand it (the more vocal players, at least). Fri May 30 2008 5:26PM Report
singsofdeath writes:


Polish has nothing at all to do with what I was talking about. Expecting things from games neither. The blog was about the way some people seem to be unable to let other people have fun with a game. If someone doesn't like a game, for whatever reason, that is their choice and they can very well say so.


But it has gone way beyond that. It's moved so far that people insult each other over the games they play. And yes, I agree with mattic65 and Ascension08 on this, it is almost like sports or religion these days.


Which I personally think rather silly, but that's why I wrote this blog.

Fri May 30 2008 5:54PM Report
rsreston writes:

I believe that the first MMOGs, like UO and EQ, arrived surrounded in that mist of "wow, it's a persistent world; I can have a life in there, as an adventurer!". Now, MMOGs are just "online games" with which kids grew along - there's no intention of going into them and roleplaying, having a good time with the other ppl. It's just a matter of getting to max lvl and pwning everybody. Story doesn't matter, they just click the "accept" button and head out to kill the next 10 big things.

Fri May 30 2008 9:36PM Report
MacroPlanet writes:

You've brought up a very good point.  Honestly when I think back I don't remember anyone in UO really saying anything bad about any other game out there.  Sure we didn't have as many games, but still....we had AC, EQ, and DAoC later on.  It almost seems to me that people that tend to compare other games so much are the ones that usually leave for that game / another game very quickly.  It's almost like they are not happy with any other game that is out there.


Like you've said to, it's good to have competition....but some of us need to learn how to just enjoy ourselves.  You've opened up my eyes a bit today and I thank you for this very insightful blog.

Sat May 31 2008 12:14AM Report
mattic65 writes:

This is a funny little scenario that I've encountered in several of the MMOs that I've played.

L33TkiD: I played WoW for 3 years before this game.

N00bPwNeR: WoW sucks *add expletive here*

L33TkiD: I know I couldn't #$%%ing stand that game man!!!1!11!

Now, why would someone spend that much time in a game they thought sucked? Did they actually think it sucked, or are they just hopping on the WoW-bashing bandwagon?

Seems to me that in addition to the rampant overzealousness, you also have trend mentality to compound to all of this.

Sat May 31 2008 1:21AM Report
sigamon writes:

i got into mmorpg's in high school when eq launched. back then nobody flamed each other's games usually we would just trade stories of our in game mishaps or achievements.  i noticed all the flaming and trolling and all that crap after wow launched.  i played warcraft and starcraft and diablo and all that stuff. and all the things that are said about the state of our community existed there on the open servers for those games.  this is just my opinion but im pretty sure all those people who just live to get to the top level and PWN anything and anyone as many times as they can while being annoying as hell moved to our side when wow launched.

if blizzard never created wow i think the community and the genre would still be pure.  oh yeah... and soe should be blown up

Sat May 31 2008 4:44AM Report
JB47394 writes:

Somebody recently observed that in the earliest days of the genre, not everyone had a computer.  There may have been some kind of self-selecting mechanism there that ensured that most people who were on the internet were enthusiasts of it at a fundamental level.

Others have observed the sense of novelty associated with virtual environments to play in.  That certainly ties in with the first notion; computer enthusiasts were just happy to have that first experience of a virtual setting.

The cynics seem to be in control of the web.  They are the most motivated to have their say.  So I suspect that a lot of younger folks who are coming to the web are feeling pressure to behave cynically.

I invite those folks to read Teddy Roosevelt's famous "Man in the Arena" quote (an excerpt from a longer speech):

Sat May 31 2008 7:10AM Report
Evilsam writes:

The first gen mmorpgs were complex for the most part with a high learning curve and it took some seriously large amounts of time to get even close to level caps ( those that had levels).

The people you refer to were always there.They just weren't in "our" games.they were playing things like Diablo,Diablo2 and consol games.

Then the ruination of  "real" mmorpg's happened.Companys that made the mmo's decided to go for the big bucks,they either eliminated or greatly curtailed certain aspects of the games.Things like community,in-depth crafting systems,real choices in char development and progression.

They went for the "I want it,and I want it now" group.And guess what..It worked.

Sat May 31 2008 1:57PM Report
KaltesHerz writes:

Put some complexity back in the game, make it so you have to think to advance, and the "mouths" will exit, stage left.

Sat May 31 2008 3:41PM Report writes:
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