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madmaty's adventure to find the perfect mmorpg

Here I will chronicle my adventure though the vast world of mmorpgs in the ever elusive quest to find the perfect mmorpg.

Author: madmaty and my views on the matter

Posted by madmaty Tuesday December 30 2008 at 7:08PM
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I would once again like to break from my normal format and take a look at what could be the biggest story in gaming news in recent years. As many of you have heard a relatively unheard of company has come out of the wood work and decided to sue rather large company NCsoft maker of more then one great game in my opinion for infringement of their patient. When I heard this news I went to see who the heck was and could not even find a download to try their game, though from the looks of the screens I could find it looks like Second Life made by Linden Lads, which is shunned by most main stream gamers. This probably accounts for why I can't find a download to their game. Though from the looks and sounds of this company they are not to popular at all, and this move is going to make a lot of main stream gamers shun then further I am not here to knock or praise NCsoft since I would be here all day long. Instead I am here to state what I think of the possible outcomes to this situation could be and how they would affect the entire mmo world on a large scale.




Outcome #1 - They Win the suit

Given the smooth moves of their law firm this is a good possibly They picked a foreign company who based their North American office in Texas. A place which is notorious for favoring the American companies They have a patient in hand which is broad enough to encompass just about any game that has been, or ever could be created, not only MMO but any multiplayer game. How they managed to pull off getting patient I will never know, but that is neither here nor there. This first win is needed more then anything to set precedent for other cases and believe me if they manage to pull this off they will open the flood gates and sue every major or minor company they can find, no one would be safe from them. This would be the worst case scenario for games of all kinds, since the companies will not suck the legal costs up it will fall to US the players of thesis games to suck the cost up, in the form of price increases across the board. Which going into the hard times ahead is not something any of us is really willing to do. Meaning most small game companies will be lost leaving only the power house company who will also suffer heavy loses. Meaning the quality of gaming will go to $#!T with less competition the large game companies can force crappy cookie cutter games down our throat and thee is nothing we can do about it.



Outcome 2 - They lose

This is the best possible outcome for everyone ( not included) If they lose which is a smaller chance then the first outcome but better for us the end users of thesis games they will most likely attempt once more then failing to win will put this company out of the way for good. Now my first outcome was a bit jaded but I needed people to see the hard facts about what this could mean. Now what does NCsoft have on their side to help them, well that's simple they have the other large game companies behind then weather or not they will admit to it publicly or not there will be there by NCsoft's side. For the fact that this case will set precedent in the events that will unfold after. Do you think companies like Blizzard and Sony Interactive are going to sit idly by and let a case that will hurt then in the end go though? I don't that's for sure.



Now its time for me to drop all the niceties and talk straight out. I think that has a crappy product and a saver lack of players to populate their game so they need a way to make money and get their name out to draw people into their game. Win or lose there will be a few players who join their game. I would also say that is trying to start their own monopoly Their move is like Microsoft suing apple for making a system which did not run on DOS. I think that all the other MMO companies or any company which has had online multiplayer in their game needs to stand up and publicly pledge their support to NCsoft and back them unequivocally in this matter. Because if NCsoft loses there is nothing preventing from coming after them. I also think that WE the players need to stand up and make our voices heard because we will be the ones hurt in the end. Now is the time to prey to whatever god you believe in.




Thanks for reading along, If you just came for the display pic thanks for stopping by and no I will not give out my avatar in larger size so please don't ask. If you would like to discuss this matter further please leave a comment and I will do my best to respond.




Comment Responses


Madmaty = Mathew not some random kyle guy
I am not trying to be a spokesman for everyone I am just putting my thoughts out there. NCsoft has a lot of great game I personally have logged over 2000 hours in Guild wars, and probably another 1000 in City of Heroes and City of Villains. I also have their newest one Aion on preorder witch the other 6.5 million preorder people and the 98% trial to paid account turn over rate agree should be a good game. Put your hate of a single company aside.


We all need to feed the trolls sometime very well said :) and yes as I stated if senerio 1 wins they will have the legal precedent to go at anyone they want. Their law firm NEEDS to win this or they can not take on the larger companies, which is why they chose Texas as their first battle ground.

@all the haters
I don't care weather you agree with me or not these are my thoughts. If you don't like what I am saying stop reading its a simple thing to do. Write your own blog and see how many people you can please. I am not here to please anyone in fact I don't care if anyone reads this or not I just write my blog for something to do.

Also sorry for all the spelling and grammar mistakes English was not my strong suit in school it was barely a pass each year, I focused my studies in other areas.


Emeraq writes:

None of the links on their website to view thier history or clients works... This is a sham at best, if they patented this in 1994 or 1999, why didn't they sue the original Neverwinter Nights back then, why not ultima online, Everquest, Dark Age of Camelot..... What makes NCsoft's games more 'persistent' than any of these...


This is a shit company looking to make some money off of a Korean gaming company, and if I were David Bowie, Steven Spielberg, or any of the other companies that they claim backed them financially I'd be speaking out against these guys.. I wouldn't want my name associated with these folks at all.

Tue Dec 30 2008 8:33PM Report
Antarious writes:

The article over at 10 ton hammer said that the original patents were filed in 2001 and were not granted until 2007.  They also imply that the screenshots of the so called technology they cover look amazingly like UO and/or EQ chats etc

Now I have no first hand knowledge.  My personal view is if the above is accurate.  That what should happen is that EA and SOE be allowed to sue this comapny and the law firm representing them for trying to steal their intellectual property.

Tue Dec 30 2008 8:46PM Report
Antarious writes:

I see at 10 ton they updated this to now say they claimed that it was a patent originally filed in 1995 and not granted until 2001.  So I'm not sure where they got the Feb 2007 date.  I seem to remember something like this from long ago (when eq1 was still somewhat new) and it was thrown out of court quickly.

Tue Dec 30 2008 8:59PM Report
RustinSer writes:

Honestly I'm all for winning. These companies have been giving us nothing but crap for far too long. If this lawsuit makes it so they have to innovate and make something new I'm all for it.

Of course I really really hate NCSoft so I'm biased.

Tue Dec 30 2008 9:20PM Report
Ephimero writes:

Nothing stops Blizzard, SoE or EA to support with lawyers in exchange of a license if the situation is really that favorable to them.

They would hurt a competitor and they'd place themselves in the safe zone at the same time. Would be lame as hell, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Tue Dec 30 2008 9:20PM Report
Morkreth writes:

The problem with this whole scenario is that that patent is too broad. I am currently in game development school and one of the possibilities of development is an area called serious games. Games that are made for simulations for study. The U.S. military uses these (you should see the hummers with TV screens etc etc). NASA also uses these and in fact the internet itself infringes on this patent. Doctors can now promote remote surgeries using this technology. I can go on and on.

If NCSoft is smart they will claim that if they are getting sued then everyone else who infringes must also be liable including the U.S. military, Microsoft Live, Electronic Arts, Blizzard, SoE, etc etc. I believe they just bit off more than they can chew. That is IF NCSoft fires back.

I think I just made the case for conspiracy to commit fraud. Your welcome NCSoft. =D

Tue Dec 30 2008 10:12PM Report
Pelagato writes:

read my blog

Tue Dec 30 2008 11:45PM Report
mishmac writes:

if its so broad that they can truely sue the military for doing tactical simulations development of weapons and technologys, you would thinkg they would sick a giant tactical legal nuke up there arse and deep 6 the patient for attempting to blackmail the government into paying them.

and i am sure someone is looking at what idiot of epic proportiongs allowed that patient to be issued. there jobs gonna be gone and they will probbly either be charged with being such an idiot its illegal or something along those lines. maybe even taking kick backs to pass the patient.

if they cant prove or theres a question about when the patient was issued also they could be forced to produce it and if it doesnt match the one filed with the government then they will be chargable for altering a legal document.

oh and madmaty for the love of god use a spell checker, i found myself rewriting your entire post as i read it so it wouldnt eark the hell out of me all night.

Wed Dec 31 2008 1:29AM Report
mishmac writes:

ok i had acouple spelling errors and my pucntuation blows but it`s not so bad to break the flow of thought while reading at least to me.

Wed Dec 31 2008 1:31AM Report
swipe2008 writes:

madmaty- (kyle stout?)

I hope there are better spokesmen for the world of MMOs than you!

Typos, incoherent rambling, poor research...

You sound like some fat, hysterical girl on her period. SO some dip shit company is suing a S. Korean firm (NC Soft) and that equals doom for multi-user gaming as we know it? Huh? Get a grip!

Patent lawsuits can last years if they even go to trial. And if a few big assed companies (such as NC Soft) have to pony up some loot then so be it - what have they done for us? overcharged for games that they rush out at the last minute.

Then you get these jag offs like madmaty beating his chest and rallying the troops like hes f'ing Braveheart of the MMOs. Not on your watch, huh, kyle. STFU* beee-aahtch



Wed Dec 31 2008 2:25AM Report
linadragon writes:

Swipe seriously , Your the one that sound hysterical not Mad . You go off cursing like a little 10 year old boy that just learned his first swear words. This company did not recieve a Patent Pass until 2001. Thusly they have no real rights to anything based around a 3d User space be it in MMO's or any games in general because many "3d User spaces" were developed Long Before 2001.  MMO's by design are never completely done.

Call someone else a jag off really come on do it... There is no reason to get on someone who is pointing out an obvious fallacy in this lawsuit unless you yourself are working for and are somehow offended that people figured out the game here.

Worlds is garbnage plane and simple.  I have seen the platform used and its no different then any othre virtual world out there that has any of the technologies they spout. And you know what? Mad has a very good point here.... If they are going to sue 1 company why not more? Why is it NCSoft (your mad at NcSoft thats quite apparent so i dont expect an even answer there really...)

The fact that they specifically only targeted them at the moment is curious because if they thought they had a real legal leg to stand on they would be targeting people like blizzard , SOE etc at the same time.  The mere fact that someone thinks they can patent a "3D User Space" is absurd. There were many companies working on the same tech at the same time as Meridian 59 had a full game out 2 years after Worlds was even founded and didnt really have an real tech to stand on.

This is an absurd lawsuit and should really just be tossed out for the stupidity of it all. He's not saying its Doom for Multi-User gaming he's saying why arnt other people being targeted and that NCSoft can fire back with that as a defense.. If you actually bothered to read..

*realizes she just fed the troll but ehh he needed to be smacked*


Wed Dec 31 2008 3:26AM Report
linadragon writes:

Ok well a comment said NCsoft could use the not sueing of others as a defense but Mad still has a point that it is a bit absurd.... Especially in scenario 1.... How does even get a patent? And how would they patent something like that? This would be tantamount to Microsoft Patenting the web browser as Netscape was developing theirs and released theirs and microsoft releasing IE years later and then Sueing firefox because they made a browser to but not sueing netscape or Opera or safari etc. 

It's really immensely silly if you break it down. Lets just hope the courts really arnt this stupid and let it get further because if does win they could really just sue about any MMO/Online 3d game company out there period and thats a bad precident to set....

Wed Dec 31 2008 3:32AM Report
Gravarg writes:

Al Gore is going to sue us all, he invented the internet!

Wed Dec 31 2008 10:30AM Report
Gravarg writes:

For real though, to keep in the whole communication line, since this is what the patent is over and what NCSoft alegedly violated, let's say now that they win. is not the first to have the idea of making a virtual world and then making ways for people to communicate with each other (as thier suit portrays them as), just that they have the patent for such programming.  Other lawsuits like this have been thrown out, and the patent has actually be revoked in some cases.  Before was even a company, let alone got this absurd patent, there was a little game known to most AOL users, Neverwinter Nights.  NwN was the first graphical MMO.  When did this game come out? 1991!  As such, this case has no merit, the patent will be revoked by "Previous Arts" laws. 


For example, you can't paint something then sue someone who paints a something else the next day.  Since there have been others who painted before you.  This pantent should not have even been given to, thus thier case has no merit.

Wed Dec 31 2008 10:37AM Report
WolfClaws writes:

Look, I get the whole "this is your soapbox" thing, and I respect it.  'Cause in my country, it's valued above all else and defended with the blood of our men and women for over 200 years.

But I gotta disagree with you on it being our responsibility as gamers about this whole thing. 

It is not.

If NCSoft took something from someone else, then they should pay the price.  Will us, the gamers, be hurt by it?  Not likely.  Our sub fees will stay the same, there will be no affecting what we have now.  If they are sued for a lot more money than they can handle, then the most we will see is fewer updates over the course of the next year.

If is denied their claim, you know who loses?  That's right, the same people who "won".  Names are smeared, stocks, if any, go down, and generally a bad taste is in people's mouths just from the allegations.

Don't believe me?  Two words... Michael Jackson. 

It's cool that we can talk about what we want, and express ourselves here.  But what if someone came down and said "I invented this blogging method, drew up a patent, and those idiots at the US Patent office approved it without understanding and now MMORPG owes me money".  ?

Just not gonna happen. 

Besides, win or lose.... who draws up a lawsuit on Christmas Eve?

Wed Dec 31 2008 2:38PM Report
Antarious writes:

Well I think this blog pretty much did it for me:

Its a very good read.. Randy Farmer is worth a google if you don't know who he is.  Its pretty related to the Habitat game I've been posting about on various forums.  I was so happy when I read this.  I figured that habitat fit every description of what claimed to have a patent on (only habitat existed over a decade before they even filed).

Since he specificly links to an article about their lawsuit and talks about being a patent consultant (versus the patent trolls) I hope NCSoft uses him and the others like him.. to get the re-review process started.  If the outcome for is the same as for the guy Randy talks about.. at least we won't see this crap again (from them).

Wed Dec 31 2008 6:24PM Report
BarakIII writes:

I have no idea how patents work but this does indeed sound like an extortion attempt on behalf of I hope the suit is thrown out and the patent is revoked, and if what some others are saying about how patents work in the US is true, then it probably will be.

If any of the other gaming companies are paying attention to this I would think they would quickly come to the support of NCsoft to squash this because the original poster is correct, if wins against NCsoft then they will quickly sue every gaming company they can.

Posters who think this will not effect the gaming community are just fooling themselves. Nobody ever said it would be the doom of gaming, but it is the gamers, not the gaming companies, who will end up footing the bill through price increases both at the store and in monthly fees.

Wed Dec 31 2008 7:41PM Report
caemsg writes:

they are a small company whats the bet that this is settled out of court or the people who are procecuiting have convenient heart attacks ??

Thu Jan 01 2009 1:37AM Report writes:
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