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Controversial Imagination Conversation or CIC (prenounced sick) for short

Dig deep into the basis of MMOs, controversial or not it needs to be discussed. Let the heads roll and the children cry its time to get CIC.

Author: FlyingSquid

Does the community of an MMO make or break the game?

Posted by FlyingSquid Tuesday February 5 2008 at 9:13PM
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Here we go for the first edition of CIC dealing and talking with the issue of a community, does it and can it make or break your decision on playing an MMO.  Can the childish screams of children spouting out noob, l337 or sexual references like theres no tomorrow, send you running for that logout button.  Can the meaningless babel of young male kids make a woman or in some cases a man cry for dear god as they obssessively follow and harass their "hot" female toon.  Can the actions of an adult who use these same childish schemes have the same effect?  Is an adult any better than a kid in the community if uses the same language and insults that are deemed as childish and out right rude?  Will we ever find that perfect haven when all players of an MMO community get along with each other?

Some rather tough questions to be answered here, and even if answered do we really know?  Are we really that one step closer to the truth of an MMO community?  Is what is good for one community of an MMO going to work for another?  I'll stop the questions at this point, think about these exact questions as you read through the rest of the first edition of CIC. 

One player to me personally can not ruin my chances of leaving an MMO, but a community has and will continue to do so.  If one player constantly follow me around, /tell You're a faggot, /tell You're a noob, /tell I'm uber 1337!!!111111, it doesn't change a thing for me.  This guy can say whatever he wants under the sun soon enough he will realize I'm not going to answer or give in to his childish games.

On the flip side a community can make me run like all hell to the nearest exit.  When you ask a question on global chat and instead of getting an answer you get a handful of people calling you a noob, fag, or the many other slander that is available to these fine specimen of humanity, it just gives you a sour taste to who you have to deal with down the long run of the game.

A great example to this theory is the game Dream of Mirrior Online or known as Domo.  Open Beta had one of the most sex craved and rudest bunch I've seen in any MMO.  I'd be enjoying the game the game for what it was a new fresh of breath air with an inventive twist on a somewhat FFXI job system, meanwhile these "children" (yep us adults that were acting this way fall under here as well, you know who you are) where spouting on about their best sex position which obviously many didn't know what the hell they were talking about or their best lay.  Does any find this appropriate in an MMO?  Sure it's differen't if you are talking to a group of friends about it, but to globally display this is just out right gave me a sour taste.  The worst of it was the devs did nothing to stop it, not a thing I awaiting many days after reporting this nonsense behavior and not one finger was laid to silence the bunch.  Well that was it for me even though I enjoyed the game I quickly logged out uninstalled and will never return.

I'm sure most of had many occurances with the same questions in the air.  Tell me your experiences with this issue, is it just me?  Am I the only one offended by this activity in an MMO?  The only one sane left in our society?  I leave you with the issue at hand, weather you flame, support or wish to answer all my questions go for it, I'd love to here from the community of MMORPG what they think.  Weekly I will be coming up with issues that I will break down, lay out and bash the hell out of the issue and then let you guys have at it.  Hope you enjoy the first edition of CIC may there be more.

Let the heads roll and the children cry.






Kordesh writes:

For me at least, absolutely. A great community can make an average game seem great, and a terrible one can make a great game seem like absolute hell. Part of the MMO experience is interacting with other players, and when you have to deal with selfish, immature, or otherwise annoying people on a regular basis, the fun gets robbed from the game quickly. Actually, my greatest fear with Warhammer Online is not that the game itself will be bad, but I am seriously considering passing it up because I see the WoW community replicating itself all over again.

Tue Feb 05 2008 11:25PM Report
Bigjohn792 writes:

Imho, You can't have a good game without a good community. if you have a bunch of jerks in the community then they are ingame as well.  and I've seen my share of jerks along the way. they really do ruin a game.

Wed Feb 06 2008 1:40AM Report
Mequellios writes:

One good answer, an MMO (several, actually) need to be made with an M or AO rating. This will knock out most of the 14-year-old. Not all of them, but a good share. Sure, having this rating will drop sales a bit, but a more mature community will evolve around it. There's a game that may come out in a couple of years called Exanimus. The devs anticipate an M/AO rating. If your interested:

I doubt it will be out for a long while, but it's the only MMO I've found that will break the 'T' trend so far. (the search continues).

I did find CoH/V's community rather enjoyable. I have to say WoW and RuneScape have the worst communities I've ever seen.

Wed Feb 06 2008 2:06AM Report
FlyingSquid writes:

Thx for the input guys, I feel the same way as you kordesh about warhammer, I'm probably going to pass it up myself.  I myself am waiting for AoC, which your in luck Mequellios it will be an AO 17+ rating, they just sent it through ESRB and they rated it AO for full gore/blood and partial nudity.

I have to agree with Mequellios here on the shut out of M/AO ratings, it would keep the basis of the community to a great atomsphere, sure you'll have your immature adults still but at least it will not be 80% of the community :).

Good input guys :D

Wed Feb 06 2008 2:21AM Report
Munkyman1 writes:

Have to agree, i have played some mediocre games that i keep logging in and playing and enjoying simply because i have found a great community to enjoy it with.  On the flip side i have left some good games because of the childish, name calling, stupid names, rediculous chat usage that can be found in some game titles.  Personaly community is a large part of what i enjoy about and MMO, if it sucks, im gone.

Wed Feb 06 2008 5:17AM Report
Hexxeity writes:

A good community is nice, but a fun game with a bad community will do just fine.  (See WoW.)  The reason is, you can block the conversations you don't want to hear, and play only with people you like.  Even when the community at large is horrible, in a popular game you can always find a few people who don't suck.  If you can bring your own friends, it's even better.

Wed Feb 06 2008 11:48AM Report
Anofalye writes:

For me, all that matter is the spirit of the community, it happiness, it friendliness.


If they are happy, doing stuff they like, the community will be good.  If they are doing something they dislike in order to be able to do what they want to do, they will be the worst.

Wed Feb 06 2008 1:26PM Report
mage00x writes:

I'd say it makes it.  If the game doesn't have a strong community then the game is pretty much a tumbleweed in the wind.

Wed Feb 06 2008 9:34PM Report
Jaradiel writes:

A bad community can indeed break a good game and v.v.  Mequellios has a point in that releasing an M or AO rated game may improve the maturity of the audience. But it could also have an adverse effect. In generel, I believe perma-death is a better tool, although it's a double-edged sword as well. The reason is that if the community is reasonably balanced, the mature crowd can control and reduce the immature (whether they're adult or not) crowd, as infighting is much more extended in the immature crowd. It's a niche game, but if it's good I truly believe this could make it.

Thu Feb 07 2008 2:09AM Report
Hashbrick writes:

Some interesting points brought up, for the most part it looks like everyone agrees the foot is out the door when shit goes sour.  One question I ask you Hexxeity is when your friends stop playing do you stick around?  Even if you love to play the game is your drive to play it now shattered with no one around?

I myself, will leave a bad community, if it's a good game I will try a new server and a new toon if I notice the same behavior I will loose hope in the game and uninstall and never return, most subscription games don't have this problem there are some odd bunches that do though.  WoW was one of them, though I didn't play it long at all, few months till maxed out from launch and left, but the crowd that was coming in was not even tolerable and I felt I wasn't leaving anything behind.  So out I went and picked up something different.

Thu Feb 07 2008 8:27AM Report
FlyingSquid writes:

More great points.

The problem with perma-death is most don't want to loose what they worked for, I agree though with your thoughts myabe if there was a parma-death sever like dofus is doing with their hardcore server then ya that 'll work, but if the game was perma-death it wouldn't sell well.

Thu Feb 07 2008 10:51AM Report
sdozer writes:

"Tell me your experiences with this issue, is it just me?  Am I the only one offended by this activity in an MMO?  The only one sane left in our society?"

I don't think it's just you obviously. It certainly isn't me though.


You're kidding, correct?

I am not offended by the sex position talk. I find that rather amusing. it's just words, not gonna kill you. Although I'm fine with a loud fart or a smelly burp. The talk of 'manners' and 'propriety' makes a sour taste for me. I think that's sour, whereas sex is sweet. With that, the community definitely affects whether or not many people play a game. But I play with indifference to what's in the global chat, keeping my talk to private chat. I did a lot of that in EVE. Actually people telling the sex talkers off is also amusing, so I can't say it's absolute indifference. I leave only the positive feelings, and join in just to have fun.

An M rating will not help to keep things within your definition of "mature." Even matured folk can't keep an un-insulting tongue. But if they somehow can, as communities are different to one another to some extent, an M rating doesn't keep non-matured folk away. If anything, people join just to see the sides of those sacks of fibrous tissue in pixel format. Now that'll be fun. An AO rating will help because it specifically means 'for adults only' and not 'only for people who can see sexy things and not rub on the side of the desk, or can see blood and not cry and scream,' and it turns off selling the game at major retailers.

Mon Jun 16 2008 2:58PM Report writes:
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