So vehicles actually play a part in combat, not just for getting around. Damn, aside from possibly trying to pull off the whole 2 faction thing (hoping they scrap that) Vigil has impressed me a lot.
we hope your exited? what are you thinking!
I CAN'T FUCK!N WAIT FOR THIS GAME!
Looks just like some older games. 2 years yet? Umm ...ok. Here is a clip from their website about 2 factions. Sounds like It is just like Warhammer Online with Order Vs Destruction. Oh well... will keep it on radar...but not very excited. "Side with the forces of Order, or the vile hosts of Destruction, in a war that will unlock ancient secrets, reveal dark purposes, and determine the fate of the Sargos Sector. For in this dark millennium, there is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter."
If I were in that Khorn Suit I would go Bloodlust on everyone!
For the majority of you whining over factions, I really don't understand what the issue is. Not only would it take MASSIVE effort to find a way to balance anything over two factions not because of race or technology but because there would always be a terrible inbalance in what people would roll character wise. Read lore, and take into account that Chaos could some how manipulate the other races to fight for them. If you've ever played the Dawn of War series of games there's shining examples of just how these factions interact with each other and "help" one another. For instance, Imperial Guardsman teaming up with Eldar, only to be betrayed at the moment they need them. Eldar left them fighting the orks, allowing the entire group to die while furthering their own goals. I think it's going to be a fun game, regardless of the choice of only having two factions. If simply having a 40k MMO isn't enough for you 'die-hard fans', then I'd suggest moving on or trying to gain the rights to create your very own game where you can stay true to every single detail. Let's see how that'd turn out.
where are old good RPG players who dont give XX about graphic?????? Go play AoC have best graphic on MMORPG market! If you play game becouse of graphics! noobs
This clip had absolutely zero additional information in it. Also I fail to see the visual improvement they're claiming to have. While by no means bad the graphics from both gameplay and in-game videos aren't different from what we have today.
No Warhammer 40k page in mmorpg.com?
2 Factions = Smart.. Go Play Planetside. There multi faction stuff was a joke. One group per server ALWAYS lacked hardcore anyways. By having two factions its safer. Why have a full like 5/6 Sides to play on? They would have to keep everything on 2 maybe 3 servers which would cause Massive stress to deal with enough people per each Faction. And Its obvious some factions (Eldar/Chaos) will have FAR more players then others. 2 Factions = SMART.
Hey guys, look at pilnk's response down there. He's the smartest guy here right now: "I'm purposefully ignoring the game right now because I don't want to get my expectations high over a game that I know I won't enjoy no matter how many "oh gosh" vehicles or whateverz they stick in there."
It's their first announcement of the game, they should have every feature they're planning to do and even those they haven't thought of yet... and their expansions they're planning on doing... and the number of subs in 5 years' time. THAT's the kind of info I want!
@Costa88: Faction imbalance is precisely why having two factions is terrible. With two factions, when one is outnumbered, it's simply screwed. With an odd number of factions, such as three, the conflict always balances out as the outnumbered two ignore each other to focus on the larger faction. Pretty basic and well-established video game principle: three factions even themselves out.
@pekshmaer: Yeah, because pointing out when graphics are garbage obviously means that graphics are the #1 priority for you. Clearly.
Anyone that expects decisive, concrete information about an MMOG that is at least 2 years out from going gold at least, doesn't know much about the industry...
exciting, im troubled though they seem to pick up after WAR with same names etc. Also the two faction problem that WAR struggled with. I mean why have 2 when you can have 1 for each race, perhaps more.. or better make it so that your character/guild allies to one faction..
Oh and seeing the lardass with the axe wonders how good pve will be.. just a hunch from a pre-alpha vid but still... PvP looks good though
3 factions is better than 2, case in point, DAoC (I know we're all thinking it when we say 3 faction pvp ;P)
This game looks stupid, the graphics arn't that amazing and it just look like warhammer online, both are just rip offs of wow. And you have to aim? that will get annoying very quick.
Warhammer 40K world is all about All vs All....
We saw Eldars,Orcs, Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines on the trailer. It would be nice to see 1 faction for each race
nightelf34 you just lost your right to live with that stupid of a comment.
For me Its too early to start QQing about stuff so at this point the number of factions the game may or may not have is irrevelant.
/waits for more info.....
agree with Vegetta
Did I just hear player housing?
Vehicle combat ftw!
Did'nt we already hear all that over and over again ? Devs talking about new things nobody does then comes the release and they talk about cuts.....
Not going to lie, if they add in like Tyranids, Orkz, Space Marines, IMP Guard, Chaos space marines, Eldar( THEY NEED ELDAR OR I WONT PLAY!), and like either dark eldar or the necron, this game will flourish, but it needs to be multi factional, not just 1 faction vs 1 other faction, I wanna se a 1v1v1v1 or at least a 2v2v2v2.
I WANT TO BE A ELDAR RANGER :)
This game looks stupid, the graphics arn't that amazing and it just look like warhammer online, both are just rip offs of wow. And you have to aim? that will get annoying very quick
I laugh at you. Warhammer is not a rip off of WoW. As a matter of fact its the other war around. Blizzard was creating Warhammer at the same time as they were in talks to get the licensing. The talks didnt go well for whatever reason so Blizzard had to change the name to Warcraft and start changing story, game, content before they released the first Warcraft. This is why there is so many similarities.
This will be AWESOME, how can it not? Yeah i know Mythics Warhammer bailed abit.. but how can you go wrong with THQ and 40k?
can't wait for this game to release.
Just wish it wasn't looking at a 2012/13 release.
This game wont be even close to WoW for 2 thing, WoW is for kids cartoon graphic, dumbed down gameplay ( for the casual ) and the IP well let not start talking about IP shall we? Warhammer is violence, sheerpower, blood, gore, ballistic lot of action, even as the weakest unit in the games you could still make a difference all depends on your gameplay ( experienced from playing warhammer 40k 1/2 and the last one the squad based game wich in my opinion was the worst of them but still fun. )
Cant wait to get more info but from the early gameplay footage it seem AT LEAST decent.
Uh no vehicles WON"T play a part in combat. There is no vehicle combat I hear?
To people thinking about wether to try this game: Get your facts straight! learn about the Warhammer IP's both 40k AND fantasy, and be ready for Games Workshop to fight THQ about what goes into this game like they did with EA/Mythic about what went into WAR. And for pete's sake don't do so much crying and whining with this one as you did with WAR. learn the IP's and either like them or not, but dont come crying for them to change it all around.
Two factions? I guess they learned NOTHING from Warhammer Online. Two factions not only makes for one-sided battles but also makes population imabalances much more apparent than if it was three.
But I cant say I am surprised. Devs these day take the easiest path to quick money rather than trying to create a game that lasts. Warhammer Online sold over 1 milion copies and look at it now. Barely scraping by.
If this game goes ahead with only two factions then it will suffer the same fate. Unless ofcourse it is not PvP based...
we are working on the game listing now.
JOe and Mark were awesome, very cool guys and they had great passion about 40k!
Best of luck to VIGIL!
Games Workshop should stick to minatures and PnPRPGs, since the MMO genre is oversatured with terrbile, cookie-cutter games. Trying to create an iconic IP into an MMO is probably the worse idea that a company can hatch. Case in point; Warhammer, Star Trek Online, Conan, Dungeons & Dragons. These titles fail for one main reason; you can not recreate the fan expeirence into an MMO.
The MMO genre is taking its last breath. The games take too much time and energy, and after a certain point reduces itself to repetition. As a fan of GW products, I rue the day when this MMO is on the shelves, as I believe it waters down the IP even further. Didn't they learn their lesson with "Failhammer"? I guess not.
1) The Khorne Berserker (Chaos Space Marine ) should have said "Blood for the Blood God!".
2) Space Marine don't have "rooms" and don't sleep.
3) Drop the Order vs. Destruction. If you don't want IG and Sisters of battle fighting SM, don't include the IG and SoB. Every army should be fighting every other Army. Just do SM, CSM and Orks if that's what you can handle. Or add Eldar and make a 4th faction.
Maybe I've been too close to this IP having been a GW team member but this just doesn't represent the 40K universe well (as far as #3. 1 and 2 were just for Madeiria)
Cant wait to get more info but from the early gameplay footage it seem AT LEAST decent." <======= They are going for Teen Rating. There will not be any violence or anything Grim or Dark about this game. Sorry to break the news to you but this game is going to be complete trash.
Oh and the 2 faction deal is just aching for failure. Obviously these poeple learned nothing from Warhammer Online.
Not to mention the fact that in 40K everyone has a reason to kill each dead. Orkz and Chaos Space Marines would never ally with each other. I could see CS Marines manipulating a Ork "Waaagh" and steering it toward Imperial space but never would they fight along side xeno filth.
"Not to mention the fact that in 40K everyone has a reason to kill each dead. Orkz and Chaos Space Marines would never ally with each other. I could see CS Marines manipulating a Ork "Waaagh" and steering it toward Imperial space but never would they fight along side xeno filth."
Ya, actually they would, and have, many times, every single campaing they do for warhammer splits everyone up into 2 sides, order and disorder.
Just like space marines have fought along side eldar befpre.
"Ya, actually they would, and have, many times, every single campaing they do for warhammer splits everyone up into 2 sides, order and disorder.
Just like space marines have fought along side eldar befpre." <==== No not in the sense that they actually become allies and fight along side one another holding hands.
In fact the tournement style campaigns invovle a lot of back stabbing and manipulation while most Ork player just fight everyone in town.
Better be Rated "M" for mature, if not it will be a waste to the entire expierence.....this is Mature game, and I dont have a clue why EA/Mytic just didnt make "My Little Pony Online"
They could make a 2 faction system work if they had multiple races with-in each faction and the ability for races to individually change sides.
For Example, Have 2 factions with 3 "races" each. Each race would have its own starting area and low level PvE zone. Higher level PvE zones would be interlinked based on the races current alleigance (Destruction or Order)
PvP would be an RvR type affair (See DAoC - Frontiers) with races fighting out there for control of resources.
If one side was out numbering the others the Devs could (by using a races ruling NPC (King Warlord etc) Swap a races alignment to balance the sides. Ie you'd now have a 4 races Vs 2 Races situation. This would be explained in game via announcements to each side ("The Eldar have shown thier true colours and fled to Destructions side" .... "The Loyal Eldar have returned to the fold" etc)
Races could switch sides even on balanced servers with two races switching sides at the same time. This would provide a unique dynamic within the game as former friends now became enemies etc.
Of course your "core" races would never switch (SM on order and CSM on destruction) but the other races could switch as required to maintain balance or just to switch up the sides.
Some players may get upset when thier side "switches" but its a historical fact that armys switch sides in War and you sux it up.
So if its not going to be rated M for Mature, then why waste the time? why not just stop playing around and make a game whos context is not based on a raw world like this......Its just like Disney going to make a warhammer exibit at disney world, why do it?
HAHAHAHA the guy on the left sounds like STEWART from MadTV bits!!
I would have pissed my pants if he said "wanna see what my game can do?"
Looks ilke a shitty WoW Reskin. Lets hope the combat/gameplay is different...
Bleh, I am sick of cartoony WoW clones with slight twists. I am sick of kids game MMOs. Shame no Warhammer MMO reflects the Warhammer IP. Maybe they will rise with this, but I am not holding my breath
Still hopeing they keep us posted on the long 2 year wait. I cant believe they added a titan to the gameplay... although im not sure how you become a dreadnaught when you need to die first.
Anyone who is flamebaiting about WoW or graphics need to get glasses. both shading and mapping are fairly good at the moment compared to games like WAR when it was at the same point. It apparently uses a moddified Darksiders Engine though so atleast it'll be pretty solid.
Looking forward to it. Get to know your lore.
Yes, get to know your lore so you can weep when you find it's been raped.
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Please... Don't let this be another WoW clone...
Damn, Cataclysm's starting to look pretty decent!
Not so much an interview; more of a short presentation. Regardless, it still doesn't tell us that much.
Clearly the idiots calling it "Another WoW Clone" Have never picked up a Games Workshop mini and painted it.
The artwork depicted in the trailer matches the miniatures perfectly. And considering this is Pre-Alpha with the graphics not even close to being polished, this game looks absolutely fantastic.
These models in Pre-Alpha easily have three times as many polygons as WoW Models, and at least double the resolution on the skins. And again, that's in pre-alpha!
As an avid Warhammer 40k Fan, I'm excited to see such passion and devotion from Vigil Studios. They're doing a great job and I'm sure this game will be great.
Concerning the comment that it's "too colorful" Go to Games Workshop website and look at the models and try saying it doesn't match. Yes it's a grim and gritty future, but that doesn't mean it's devoid of color. It's not gears of war where everything is just various shades of grey and brown.
The Berzerker should have shouted "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!".
Obviously the man inside the costume knew very less about the game than the developers themselves, heh.
lol yeah thats the sad part of these events, booth babes and people hired they just want the money to pay the bills and are not actually interested nor roleplaying the game they are showing, haha.
While Warhammer 40k is the greatest IP I have even known and I am really looking forward to how this game turns out, a two faction system would be a deal breaker for me. Simple as that.
to those of you that thinks the game wont have good art need to look who the man on the left is......
anyone saying joe mad doesnt know art doesnt know anything about anything.
Two factions =Death. If they can learn anything from Doorhammer I hope its that.
I'd like to point out that space marines do not sleep. They just close half of their brains down while the other half keeps on functioning.
I have grown to hate the idiots that label every MMO that comes out as a "WOW Clone". Seriously how in gods name does that look like a "WOW Clone"? Idiots!
Oh and by the way it looks like a great game, definitely one to watch! :D
Looks like another FAIL
Two factions =Death. If they can learn anything from Doorhammer I hope its that."
I'd like to point out that space marines do not sleep. They just close half of their brains down while the other half keeps on functioning."
I'd like to point that the Catalepsean Node function does not replace sleep entirely and it's used mainly when on watch and/or on a mission. When marines aren't on duty (i.e.: stationed on a fortress monastery) they actually sleep for 4 hours a day. (source: the Lexicanum)
Two factions + one world = big disappointment from a WH40k fan who's played since 1990. Considering what year it is and how far we've come in the MMORPG industry, we should be seeing big steps forward. Not these half-assed steps backwards.
The game should have launched with 3 worlds in the star system to fight over. Five factions. Space Marines, Chaos, Eldar, Orks, and Tyranids. The first four factions would have character advancement in terms of gear, skills, abilities, etc as normal. Tyranids could have advancement with additional biomass or genetic augmentations / held bio weaponry. If that would be too tricky to work in, classic Genestealer 1st through 4th generation hybrid choices could have been selected for initial launch.
Add in an expansion with Dark Eldar and Imperial Guard, and another expansion with Tau and Necrons, and they could have had a money printing machine. Yes, the start up costs would have been crazy, but would it have captured the attention of fans, programmers, and about *anyone* involved in the industry?
They missed out.
WoW clones eh? Anyone realize that WoW took a serious chunk of its elements from Warhammer?
The reason these nubs say W40K is a "WoW clone" is because Warhammer came first, and Blizzard added some snappy marketing and graphics, rebranded it, and called it something else. Of course it looks like a WoW clone, lol! W40K did it first!
I dont see starting with two factions as a bad thing... first of all it allows plenty of room for expansion down the road. I can also see some of the factions added as PVE content... the tyrinids for example or the genestealers would be great PVE factions, and then perhaps later add the Eldar as a third faction... I remember in the old days when the space dwarves were a faction too they were awesome!
Anyway an MMO is an immensly complicated endeavor and starting with two factions makes sense from a logistical angle.
Personally I am hooked already, I think the artistic direction is spot on from what little I've seen, I love THQ as a publisher and I have alot of respect for the people on the Vigil team. I can't wait to hear a little bit more. I am looking forward to watching the website develope and seeing the community form around this long overdue MMO!
For the Emporer!
I didn't hear the phrase "two faction" anywhere in this video. Or anything about a number of factions. Source please?
Thats a good point, I dont think there is any 'official' documentation that claims only 2 factions. However there was some leaked information a few months back that states that claim ... Space Marines + Imperial Guard vs. Orks + Chaos
BTW ... Isnt it about time to put this game on the MMORPG.com games list ?
I think it should more than meet the sites list criteria by now.
"<==== No not in the sense that they actually become allies and fight along side one another holding hands."
They don't have to be lovey dovey to be allies, but neither the imperium nor the eldar are stupid and they would ally against the bigger threat, even if its just temporary.
Did the guys who made this game see the results of Warhammer on line?
Why would they make this game.
Why would they make this game."
Do you people think before you speak? really, there 2 entirely different games from 2 entirely different universes, its like saying why make a FPS when this other FPS that came out sucked!
This video really doesn't show or tell much.
Everything really good and perfect but 2 Question is the point:
- When they come out the game...?
- This is a pay to play game or free to play?
ROFL the big living SPACE MARINE xD I like it:D
Can u say a few words?:D :
Hmmm a pretty useless "interview" really
First off... if your doing a video, don't go to Radio Shack and get two five dollar microphones.
Second... you can get a tripod for your camera that only costs twenty bucks that will let you hold a shot still for more then a second.
Enough about the wonderful production value. Well if you play the game there are really only two true factions... one fighting for good, and the other fighting for chaos, but the cool think about all of the flavor and actual play of the game is that anyone will end up fighting anyone. I thnk the "wait and see" is best right now for this game.
I do feel that it will be a unique view of a squad based table top game. I think the stories will be more from the Inquisitor game which was more like a role playing game with a single charator that you build up in its play verse Warhammer 40k which is just about building your army and you don't track the life of your squads.
Also one if the unique ideas of playing the table top game is sportmanship, Depending on the club you play with, you might have to changes sides with your oppenent to see what you might have done different. ... Think there is any chance of that in a mmorgp... ha ha ha, it will be how do I become the uberist most rule bending charator on the server.
The main website has very little int he ways of information ont he game but int he game info it mentions joining the sides of order or destruction which pretty much says a two faction system. I really hope that doesn't end up coming back to bite them. We will see.
I would be so in to this game as long as you have more than 2 factions.
2 factions is well outdone in other MMOs, multiple factions is proven to work in several old games like EvE but some reason devs seem caught in this 2 sided approach.
Wont be buying this unless they do multiple factions.
its the onley way to do 40K right
Lets get this out of the way now.
Anybody going off of the "leaked information" from mmofocus.se can toss it aside right now as everything that has been said pretty much debunks it as false.
They never said there would be only 1 world. They've mentioned several times it will take place in a quadrant of space which will probably contain several worlds which will most likely be themed. They also confirmed there will be vehicles as they're important.
They never said it would be SM + IG vs Chaos + Orkz. It would appear the Eldar will be making an appearance as well out of the gate, though they weren't shown in the video. (they guy with the pointy hood and respirator was NOT an Eldar as some are assuming)
Now as for factions, I will be disappointed if there's only 2, but its not a deal breaker for me. Who knows? Maybe they'll get it to work out. Don't condemn the game before it's even out.
Yes there are factions of Order and Factions of Destruction but that doesn't mean they're all going to work together hand in hand. And even if they do at launch, circumstances do change. Maybe after an expansion, faction loyalties will change. Big whoop. I'd rather have fewer, populated factions then a bunch of spread thin factions with the exception of Space Marines which will always have a huge fanbase.
There's not nearly enough information on the game to try and Condemn it. Anyone doomsaying at this point are just sad.
Wait WHAT?? teen rating?! God its like removing the blue out of the smurfs..... you CANT do that to warhammer.....
I don't care if the clone is from WoW or any other MMO.
Do not make this one a shitty average themepark clone.
All these people moaning about it not being "dark" enough, and that one comment about the pastel colours was really something. Are you shitting me? Have you ever seen the Imperial Fists? If you hadn't noticed, it's the setting that's dark, not the physical environments. Sure you might fight on a world underneath a warpstorm in which case it would be actually dark, and most probably you wouldn't notice because it was a goddamn warpstorm and all manner of warp beasts would be coming at you and people would be exploding, but the majority of the worlds are - and this is true - orbiting. "Around what?" You ask. Around a star. Which provides light.
its the onley way to do 40K right"
First, 2 factions is multiple factions, second, warhammer is all about 1vs1 battles.
"First, 2 factions is multiple factions, second, warhammer is all about 1vs1 battles."
Yeah 1 v 1... on a scale of army versus army (in the lore, sometimes these armies number literally billions of soldiers). Plus, it's not always 1 v 1, but that's the way they do it in tournaments to keep it fair on the tabletop. As we've seen with WoW, and especially with WAR, 2-faction PvP does not work because it always ends up being lop-sided in some respect, throwing the whole idea of balance out of the window entirely.
cant wait for this game to come out, it looks AWESOME!!!
Wow i am very suprised of how some people geting rush to take conclusion about the game with only a video and a few words from the developers. Just sfu and don't spread rumors around here, wait to see more details and then start whining as usual. They will NOT add 2 races only, this is a promo video for god sake!!!
Im not a big fan of warhammer.
But from what i know
THQ=Kick us graphics
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