2007 Readers Choice Awards
Now that the votes have been tabulated, MMORPG.com is pleased to reveal the winners of the 2007 MMORPG.com Reader's Choice Awards. We would like to congratulate this year's winners and thank our members for providing their votes.
Awards By Jon Wood on January 04, 2008
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The more than 50 man years that reportedly went into the development of the Trinity expansion really seems to have paid of for CCP, the makers of EVE Online who unveiled their new, free expansion on December 5th, 2007.
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Looks like this site as a love/hate relationship with wow:P
You can always count on the eve-online fans here. To make sure that their game is always #1 in anything it's nominated in. Just like last year. I already knew what the results were before they were posted.
Well don eto Eve. What ever you think of the game, its nice to see a highly polished, community driven non-fantasy game getting recognition rather than just the most popular standard cookie cutter.
I am surprised that Age of Conan won most anticapated and not Warhammer. Warhammer almost has 2000 posts in its forum while Age of Conan has 1200
A readers choice award was "Riged" by....The readers?!!SHIFT1
How could this happen!!!! Who let those bastards "The readers" vote? My god, I feel for humanity!!!1! Its not like the opinions of the voters matter in a readers choice!!!
Readers of this site voted man, theres no two ways about it. Your comment is byond pointless. lol.
I think the poster was really acknowledging them, not using sarcasm...
I think you actually missed the point, and then claimed it wasn't there. The point is this: Certain communities of people descend on this site every time their pet game is up for some sort of award. They aren't really readers, because they never come here other than to vote for their game.
and quite right too...
Eve kicks every other game's ass tbh.
Unless you like dressing up as a girl and waving a magic stick.
Great Job this year Mmorpg. I think the catagories were much better this year than last. It really shows whith the end results. All of the best games out there won something.
I play EVE and I come here but I didn't vote because I honestly don't care. Congrats though, I respect this communities view on MMOGs because they correspond nearly exactly where mine are.
EVE > WoW
AoC > WAR
To the majority it's reversed but I agree with the above assessment and have agreed with the assessment of this sites for years. So if those people who come here just to vote and rig the awards to what I deem as correct I'm all for it. Keep up the good work.
I can't speak for other EVE players, but I've been visiting this site regularly for years, even if I don't post much. I regularly read the features if the title in any way interests me, and occasionally post if I find something I feel strongly enough about to respond.
Please watch your sweeping gneralizations - such statements often come around to bite you in the ass when you least expect it.
Glad to see WOW win cause it is the best fantasy mmorpg by miles... HOWEVER this is 2007 and these games didn't come out in 2007 :\
I play WoW myself, and my personal view on this seems to be accepting towards the result.
I don't care much about it tho, but it's nice to see what is popular. And even with all the WoW bashers it's still a very respected game on these forum :)
I'm eager to try out EVE again, but with the steep learning curve the game has, I can't find time to make the fullest out of the 14day trial.
On the "Best New Game of 2007" page there looks to be a typo.
I'm assuming that is supposed to read 2x% for Fury, something higher than TR's 26% in any case.
If there was a better game than eve in the list i would vote for it. Sucks that it hasnt come out yet.
Nice to see AoC win the most antecipated game of 2007. Really looking forward to try it.
It's probably only not sorted correctly. Those percentages come to 96%; I guess the other 4% didn't vote that category.
The one category that needs to be viewed in perspective is " Best new MMOG of 2007".
LOTRO won because the other choices were total crap, not because LOTRO is a quality game. LOTRO is just a WoW clone and I didn't enjoy it beyond beta testing it. There is a good reason why both Spike TV and G4 neglected to offer a best MMOG category for 2007 award.
I give credit to Turbine for releasing a polished game, sadly we have to acknowledge this as an accomplishment because so many games are released incomplete and buggy even though shipping a finished product should be the norm.
First off would of been nice if there was a "none" or "other" that I could of picked. Some of the categories didn't have anything i would of picked normally.
Second, I'm not surprised WAR lost to AoC. The Conan hype machine is i full swing while WAR's seems to be quieter. Plus it is possible that since EA bought Mythic, the negative attitudes many have about EA have carried over to WAR. I mean they screwed up Motor City Online and Earth & Beyond, some may think they'll screw this up too.
Finally, I agree about EVE. Not that it should of won the categories but that EVE fans are very zealous about their game. I have no doubt they came here and voted just to see their game win and never post here again (til next years awards).
I agree across the board with every category except best overall game for 2007. I wouldn't have pegged EVE Online for that award, but the voters have spoken I guess, so grats to them.
What really stands out to me here is the extreme lack of choices in the sci fi genre. What the hell, come on devs! Quit copying each other and make something new for God's sake. Eve Online is really a niche game. I don't want to be a vehicle. I want to be a person, so that is out for me. Tabula Rasa is buggy but they are working on it. Maybe if they add housing, vehicles, and revisit character creation they could be a triple A game. And SWG and Planetside, both SOE games, didn't even make the list.
SWG...for god's sake's SOE get your heads out of your asses and give us what we have been asking for, a friggin Precu server. You really expect me to believe your brainiac devs who are soooo computer and tech smart didn't save their work somewhere. It's not impossible to give us Precu. There are hobbyists out there working on it right now. If there is a legal reason, or a licensing reason or some other more plausible reason why you can not give us sci fi fans what we have been begging for, atleast let us know so we can stop thinking about it. Because right now as it stands it just seems to be mean spiritedness and stubborness to turn upside down a community of a couple hundred thousand players.
I'd like to get over Precu SWG. I really, really would. But with no quality alternatives and shuffling between one fantasy mmo to the next it is really hard. And I'm so sick of it.
Very good awards...and congratulations to all the winners.
Even if you play or do not play EVE, it's not hard to see why it always ranks as one of the first. Even a none sci-fi fan will still be blasted away by it's outstanding production quality.
EVE has a solid community and even if it's smaller then many other MMO, it's not a sharded community. We're not talking about a community like WOW where each servers have their own micro culture and groups. We're talking about 1 single server that holds 38K+ players... Currently, when I launch my client, there's 27K people online. This creates a fairly consistent community. (I don't known much about the Asian server)
Trinity expansion came with a fair share of problems but seriously, take your pride away for one minute and look at how beautiful the game is now. Unless you're filled with hate, you cannot deny that the devs worked extremely hard on their game. Now, we're not even starting to scratch the surface of what's about to come.
One thing that really makes EVE stand out is the sandbox gameplay. For many, that's a turn off but for the rest, that's quite an incredible feature and trust me, it's much harder to make a sandbox then a scripted MMO. I don't know much about MMO design but I know that when I tried to create a Quake 3 MP map, it really wasn't easy to make it nice and open for multiple tactic. However, making a really fun single player map was child's play. (well compared to the MP one that is :P)
EVE is pretty much what Blade Runner is for the cinema industry. Not many people can sit down and actually watch the entire movie without falling asleep but no one can deny that Blade Runner 's production quality is still on par with today's special effect and overall quality.
When you make something outstanding, even your enemies will be obligated to acknowledge your creation.
I don't need to watch my anything, since I have seen the posts on the Eve forums in years past about coming here to register and vote for Eve. (I've seen it in other forums as well, it's not just Eve players)
One of the main reasons why EVE online is still on top, is because it is one of the few mmorpg's that stayed true to itself.
Just go down the list of the other sandbox mmorpg's or mmorpg's with unique features :
1. SWG :
CU and NGE
These 2 major gameplay changes basically took the SWG out of SWG and instantly killed the game.
Instead they should have worked on fixing the bugs and bad ideas.
1 example of a bad idea was allowing players to build anywhere. Even in front of a dungeon or other point of interest. Players of the other faction would be killed trying to get thru the defenses. A simple solution would have been to make certain area's off limits for building.
2. Ultima Online :
Trammel and Age of Shadows
Clearly these made large changes to the game, to me trammel was the worst, to others it was Age of Shadows.
3. DAoC :
Started to go downhill with ToA
Instead of hardcore nerfing ToA they made classic servers, dividing the playerbase ( which was already declining because of ToA ) in 2.
Buffots was a reason to leave for me.
New Frontiers did not help the game and made too drastic changes.
Then they took away the players from the world and put them in instances.
Finally they took out the soul of the game by clustering and not taking realm pride into account ( realm timers was one of the solutions ), also they did not merge the PvE areas at 1st ( only RvR ) so these areas stayed desolated.
4. To me those were the most importand games that were ruined intentionally ( SWG ) or unintentionally ( UO and DAoC ) by their Devs. If you have other similar experiences plz share :p
On the other hand, EVE online did everything right. They made 1 big cluster ( okay 2, blame the chinese ), this makes the game always alive. They do not charge for their expansions. Thus they do not have to lockout players from their expansion content, thus they can improve on the existing world and only expand the universe if needed ( when there is need for more space ) this also keeps the world alive.
Then they have not changed anything drastically and sticked with their sandbox, skillsystem and PvP ideals and improved upon them.
They did add easier accessible content ( missions ) for the newbies, but that did not detract from the endgame, it actually boosted it by bringing in new players and cash for the economy.
I think one of the few reasons why EvE does not have more players is because the combat system is pretty slow in missions or ratting. Mining is even worse. But I dont think there is an easy fix for this and this probably shouldnt be fixed anyway.
Greetz
I ask this every year and i rarely get a reply to this. Point is its a readers award thingy which means the readers vote and once again it seems EvE fans cared the most.
I generally agreed with the results this year, pretty much what I expected across the board.
If 29% of the people who voted for AoC try the game out I bet over 25% of them will find it a refreshing change from the norm.
Goto say with EA buying Mythic out, and Mythic announcing Beta Servers closed for 2 months and EB games listing their release for WAR @ Q4 2008, I guess alot of people weren't as enthused as before. Personally P. Barnett is a bigger turn off for me than all those combined.
The Chronicles of Spellborn @ 4% was a bit shocking considering the support here.
The difference between AoC and Warhammer is Chronicles of Spellborn!
Eve deserved what it got too imo.
Not a bad round for this year's choice awards. But what i seem to notice is that this site always loves EVE no matter what.
How about next year MMORPG.COM just gives EVE Online the top choice award rather than bothering with taking votes for that category?
Evidently a lot of EVE Online players must read MMORPG.COM so that would make the vote for Reader's Choice legit, right? And I'll admit MMORPG websites attract more hardcore players and they are more likely to play games like EVE Online and they also bother with voting.
Except the EVE Online forum isn't constantly incredibly more active than all other Forums on this site. And you have all these EVE players in this thread claiming *they* didn't bother to vote. So who the heck IS voting for this game every year?
You're not fooling anyone, EVE players, we all know you descend on the site like locusts to get your game a little recognition, perhaps goaded by the developers in an effort to boost its profile and attract more players (which isn't going to happen). Congradulations on your community and organization.
But it's starting to get old.
I didn't see the info on beta servers closing for two months. Anyone else confirming Q4 2008? Cause if it gets pushed back......
You are both right and wrong. Yes EVE players probably descend upon this and other sites to vote for there game, but only because we are the hardcore gamers that would have voted whether or not we play EVE. Stop bashing EVE, or EVE players simply because the community is motivated enough to vote for their game. I think it says something about the other games' communities, that they didn't turnout enough voters to overtake EVE in any of the categories it competed in. Perhaps EVE is just that good....
To use a phrase common in EVE:
Proof or STFU
I've visited this site since before I started playing EVE. I signed up to vote for EVE (and other games), but I don't care for much of the discussion here. You have no way to back up your claims, and you make them knowing the reverse is true. All it does is show you to be bitter that a small game has such strong support from its players despire flaws and black eyes that have occurred.
Spike TV didn't offer an MMO category because it had to make room for ones that aimed at their audience.
I mean, why have something silly like MMO f the year, when you can have a dew fueled game category instead?
The Spike VGAs are nothing but a consumer whoring event, but atleast they havent't given Madden RPG of the year, again. G4 has been going downhill ever since it changed from Tech TV to G4.
I feel for you on the SWG stuff being an ex-SWG-Flurrian myself (under the same name) in fact SWG was my first MMO and I truly loved that game until the CU then it started to lose its lustre
But EVE has kinda filled that gap and due out this year for EVE is a project called Ambulation (Walking) yes Character Avatars are coming to EVE first will be stations but it has been hinted at (for along time) that planets would be a final goal so EVE may be what your looking for by the end of 2008
If you do decide to try out EVE come chat to me my forum name is my In-game name (as it always has been ) and I'm usually willing to come help you out run missions or just do some mining
Lotro won indeed for best game of 2007, if other games are worse then it is the best game of 2007..
To bad you don't like it i know a whole lot of people do, and if you think Lotro is "just" a wow clone and you dident enjoy it beyond beta testing well to bad for you, cuz its so much more then that, its not for nothing highest rated game of mmorpg.com , but like i said some people like difrent things.
I for one am a regular reader/poster here and did vote for EVE.
Thse accusations, they always come around this time of year when EVE does well in the readers choice awards.
My reply is this, other communities are free to do the same, and you have no proof on the precentage of active MMORPG.com members voting for EVE as opposed to "vote-only" accounts.
If you want to see EVE taken down from it's throne next year, start campaigning for it's competitors.
So what... If you remove EVE from the equation, WoW gets the first place. What a surprise. Yipee. What's the point of this vote anyway? Don't put the blame on the EVE players, it's just that you won't get anything more than a popularity contest if the only question asked is the extremely subjective "which one is the best?". With a little more extensive rating system with criteria such as "lasting appeal? graphics? newbie experience?" EVE maybe wouldn't have come on top.
Now when it comes to the "best improved" (2 big free expansions in 2007) and "best sci-fi" (not much competition), I honestly think that EVE didn't steal the first place.
Disclaimer: I'm too an EVE player. No, I didn't vote.
Spike TV and G4... bwahahahaha. nuff said.
as for Eve, seems like it's the Ron Paul of mmogs, the handful of fanatical fans love it and everyone else goes "wtf?"
I agree, I'm a regualr poster here and I don't play EVE currently. However, i did vote for it in several of the catagories because I recognize that it is a well designed game and deserved, in my opinion, a few of the awards.
Other companies also advertise to come vote on here as well. For example, SOE did for their EQ2 expansions with this announcement:
http://eq2players.station.sony.com/news_archive_content.vm?month=current&id=1488
"MMORPG.com 2007 Award Nominations!
EverQuest II has been nominated for Best Fantasy, Best Overall Game and Best Paid Expansion for the 2007 Reader's Choice Awards on MMORPG.com! The nominations were decided by the Editorial Staff at MMORPG.com, consisting of Managing Editor Jon Wood, Community Manager Laura Genender and News Manager Keith Cross based on the performance of various games throughout 2007. Before you head out for the holidays, head over there and show your EverQuest II spirit! "
To me it just seems EvE players are more loyal to their game and make sure to vote for it whenever this comes up. If other communities rallied together to get the word out when these awards appear, maybe they can beat EVE.
Congrats to all the winners this year, well done.
Next year learn to promote the award more in your community and who knows your buddies might take time off raiding for that usless shiny raid gear to actually vote for there game here.
There is no point wasting your time argueing the results of this poll. IT'S A POLL!!!! . It has no bearing a how good a game is or is not. The results are based on popularity which in turn are based on player base. WOW wins because it has a wide player base across all age groups and is a heavily marketed main stream game. Its all up to the taste of the player as to which game suits their interest and playing style. Its a popularity contest first, end of story. So if you enjoy playing games that did not end up on top of this list (as I do), then this poll really doesn't matter now does it? To each his own.
Heh, it is kind of fun though, this year's thread seems pretty tame compared to other years. Plus, when MMORPG.com did a re-review of EVE (an 8.3) there was a total firestorm thread in the pub forum.
A little crazy sometimes, but certainly entertaining!
There is a difference between people who do not read mmorpg.com, and those who rarely post here but read it often.
I joined mmorpg before you did, dear Agent_X7. But I post here very rarely.
IMHO, EVE deserves the titels it won. I tried out many mmorpgs, but EVE is the one I stuck with. Still having fun playing it, and it has been 4 years now. If you had asked me before I knew EVE if I could enjoy ANY game for so long, I would quite frankly have said no.
To me, EVE has more magic to it than the most powerful sorcerer in any fantasy game.
"EVE Online is, without question, the most immersive, vast and incredible online gaming experience I've ever had" says Peter Cohen from macworld in a recent review about EVE.
I agree.
Eve online and there fanbois always abuse these things I remember when Eve was struggling bad the DEVS of that game posted on there forums encouraging ppl to go vote it up high here thats how it was ranked so high for so long.Eve online may be a stable game but its crap and certainly not worth of best mmo award no doubt about it.I can name 4-5 thats better gameplay wise than eve but thats what fanbois do they go and make the numbers high so they do win while most of us are actually playing a game we enjoy.
Thats exactly what i wanted to say . It seems that most of the people that play other games dont care about the games that they play but we EVE players know what great game we have and we actually care about it.
I think u dont know what your talking about. I started playing online games about 10 years ago and EVE is simply the best looking and most complex MMO ive played. And im gonna tell you why i like EVE so much, for example Guildwars looks nice its pretty easy to play but you cant do much other stuff then fighting. Im not gonna say much about WoW i played it for about 6 months and its just boring. The difference between EVE and most of the other MMOs is that it actually needs skill to be played. You cant just jump in, play and then leave, Im playing EVE for 7 months now and i still havent seen and done everything that you can do in EVE. And another thing is that EVE actually changes, If you played EVE 3 years ago and left you can come back now because it changed alot and this year its going to get even more new stuff ( Project Ambulation aka Full body Avatar). If you want a game that doesnt change and where you dont need skill to play, you cant paly EVE. If you want a game where u need to think before you do your next step ( because someone could blow you up within the next second) and that evolves with every expansion ( because with every expansion you actually get new ways to play EVE not just new items) then you can play EVE. And one more thing: U cant blame the EVE-community for voting for their game.
Yup that's what Eve fanbois do is they go around and make the numbers high while you are playing your game. You know it took a whole 5 minutes to fill out the voting right ? You mean to tell me your game community couldn't scrape together enough people to outvote the whopping 200k account player base that Eve has ? I don't remember seeing any posts made by CCP to come vote. I knew about the vote from MMORPGs newsletter and I came and voted, and while I didn't go looking for a way to cheat the vote I didn't see any way to cheat it either (although I could be completely wrong on that).
Name 4-5 games with better gameplay if you please. I would love to know about these so called 'better gameplay' games. You do realize better is a very subjective term when comparing totally different types of games right ? If we were comparing say WoW to LOTRO then you could say one is better than the other but when you are talking about Eve you cannot, simpley because there is nothing else on the market like Eve. So you may be able to list 4-5 other games that 'YOU' would rather play but you cannot say they are 'better'.
Sounds to me like you are just sore that your favourite game didn't win so all you have left is to bash Eve and its players.
I think what the real story here is that there are lot of people out there that may not necessarily play Eve but are smart enough to recognize that Eve is a great game and deserves its vote for MMO of the year again. I personally know people like this, they don't play Eve simpley because it isn't their type of game for whatever reason but they do know its an amazingly well done game.
A big congratz to CCP for proving a small independent game company game beat out the giants of the industry like Blizz and EA.
Eve Online is a very good game, but to say it was the best is far from the truth. There should have been a category for Hardcore game of the Year, that is what Eve was. Also, this site caters to the hardcore players in its attraction and that is how Eve wins quite often. Games like WoW and LoTRO get bashed here all the time even though they are regularly more popular by far in the general market. Eve has also had major scandals that keep it in the minds of voters, while other games trod along peacefully and are run consistently.
This site does cater to Eve Online quite a bit and if you notice, quite a majority of the active posters are Eve players, many gamers have no clue this site even exists. If you went into WoW or LoTRO and mentioned this site, most of them would not even know it existed. This is part in reason why I appreciate the new ratings/standings categories that MMORPG.com added to the front page. so that you can actually see how many hits a game is getting and how truly popular they are.
The awards were pretty accurate this year, though I do agree that Eve should not have won game of the year. With the performance and class that Turbine showed in their release, I would have said they would have won easily. But then this is a site that loves to bash popular games so in the end they didn't have a chance and the closest competitor actually won
Popularity does not mean better. If that were the case then music like The Spice Girls and Britney Spears would be considered some of the greatest music of all time. Just like the Nintendo Wii is NOT the best game system out there but it most certainly is the most popular and the PS3 while being the least popular is technically the best system out there hardware wise.
The vote was for 'Best' game not 'Most Popular'.
Now while I will not say that WoW and LotRO are bad games because they most certainly are not. I played WoW for about 3 years and I even tried out LotRO and from what I saw it was just WoW with different textures. Once you have levelled and done all the casual friendly content in WoW it becomes a boring tedious farm game unless you are fortunate enough to be in a decent raiding guild but event hen you farm the raid instance. Sure you can farm in Eve if you want to but then that gets boring fast just like any other game. But in WoW for instance once you have done the casual content at level 70 you are either going to farm a raid instance for random loot which you may or may not get or you are going to farm honor and arena points for PvP oriented gear. I'm sorry but running one raid instance for several months just to gear up to farm the next instance to again farm the next instance in the progression train is not my idea of fun.
Where Eve shines is in the fact that you do not need to be a hardcore player to get in on some action since there isn't a set number of raid slots available and only to certain classes. I don't ever remember being told I could not go along to a POS battle because the raid was full or my class wasn't needed. You can train while offline and log in for an hour or 2 and get in on the pvp and log out again when you want instead of being in a 5-6 hour long raid if you are lucky enough to be a needed class to fill a 25 man raid spot. Also there are no raid instance reset timers like in WoW locking you out of content for 7 days to prevent you from progressing through the content 'too fast'.
I returned to Eve and joined a 0.0 PvP focused corp and it's the most fun I have had in the game since I signed up the first week it was available. I can log in for a couple of hours, shoot and some shit and log out again when I need to. On top of all that the PvP in Eve actually means something unlike in WoW where it is totally meaningless outside of the honor / arena points farm. The PvP in WoW certainly can be fun at times but also can be very frustrating when you know that as class A you will not be able to beat class B when gear and skill are equal and there is nothing you can ever do to change that without rerolling to class C to counter class B but then class A or D will win. In Eve all I have to do is jump into a different ship or fit a couple of different modules and be totally effective.
please post link!
I've always wanted to try out a game with better gameplay like eve!
I think the EvE community is full of hardcore mmorg fans. While games like WoW are filled with WoW fans.
So people that play eve really liek to come to this site and read all the time. the eve-o forums will have links to interesting articiles about other games in the out of pod all the time. We might not like WoW but even in game we talk about new mmorpgs all the time.
this is 100% true however I think you'll find it to be a good jugde on the topic.
I for one voted for a different game :P don't tell the others! But with most of the just core votes being people that play eve and other MMORPGs then yes most of them would vote for EvE.
my point was maybe all those WoW players don't come here because they don't give a shit about any other MMORPG so why go to a site about other mmorpgs?
And yes there was a post on the WoW forums about this contest, but I don't see them here.
Amazing, it took around 20 posts before someone made a swipe at SOE about SWG and the NGE. People must be slacking.
I think that I missed the voting, but I pretty much agree with the top choices. I am surprised that so many people voted for LOTRO -- since the servers seem pretty dead to me, I assumed everyone gave up on it (I think that three people from my kinship/guild logged on in the past month). Of course, the competition was pathetic.
We may have seen the end of the golden age of new MMORPGs. It seems that the new games are more like flat soda these days. I know that everyone is eagerly awaiting AoC and WAR, but if they turn out anything like the anticipated games of the past two years (a little over a year ago people were talking about which was going to be bigger and bring down WoW, Vanguard or LOTRO, the way people talk about AoC and WAR now), we will all be waiting eagerly for 2009 and whatever is going to be "the next big thing."
This just sadly prooves that this site has no real connection with the wow players it seems, what a shame, also shows that people from the other mmorpgs linger alot more here, i wonder why though...
Could it be that they seek another mmorpg more than the average wow player or does the average wow player just not care about this site or know about it?
I for one can say, as long those who play wow don't even consider moving to another mmorpg, they prolly won't even be stepping a foot in here or will never even participate in a pool as they either don't care about this site's overall opinion or simply don't need to "proove" anything for themselves or anyone else, which game they should/would rather play.
All i can say is, to this day since 2004 beta, no other mmorpg was able to rival WoW... sadly... however i did enjoy EvE, since it was the only proper space mmo out there but it's hard to compare wow to eve since they are different on so many levels, so that EvE got some favorable awards is nice, so hopefully the space mmo genre might increase, i bloody want more of them and with more and faster gameplay, think spacecowboy (Ace online) just a little more sophisticated, content, more ships, and more space. =)
All that aside, i'm looking forward to Age of Conan, hopefully it will be out before the next wow expansion.
Yes I'm a big UO fan but that list is just silly , there are so many other games that deserved to be there or should have won..
I wish I could like Eve. I just can't.
I came too MMORPG.com BEFORE I started playing EVE. This site is what got me into the game. It is the only Sci-fi MMO that is a blast to play, marginally more mature players, a very active and populated roleplaying community, and so many things to do. And the graphics rock to hell and back.
I vote for EVE because it deserved everything it got. LOTR and WoW are the same, with different colors of paint and a different shaped hat. Want your MMO to win, then frickin' vote instead of bitchin' when others vote for their sand it wins.
What amazes me...is the fact a mere 200K players can make a game win when others have a by far larger playerbase.
Damn us rabid fanbois who love our games. Stfu.
lol, wow.. Tabula Rasa got rejected.
Nice going Eve! Still my favorite MMO to date, besides oldschool UO :]
Only award i didnt agree on was the best free game of 2007.
Guild War was mixed with other games that you dont even have to pay for at all but gw still needs to be bought before you can play it for free online..
Guild Wars isn't a free game with micropayments or a premium membership as Dungeon Runners or Puzzle Pirates are for instance. Guild Wars has to be bought, then it can be played without a subscription fee afterwards.
Also it wouldn't qualify for micropayments as you can't officially buy virtual stuff for real money while you're actively playing the game (unless you count RMT). You've got the option to enter an In-game store 'before' entering the game world where you can buy chapters, character slots or skill packs, that's it.
So even if I like the game it doesn't fit in such a category.
Eve Online best MMO game? For me that proves only one thing: While players of other games actually have to play their game actively EvE Online players have all the time in the world to hang around on MMO related websites all day.
Actually, most of us have double-screen setups and surf the web when we do not do pvp or fly in wolfpacks. :)
1 screen for work
2nd for EvE.
3rd for Web surfing.
Also EvE is a very casuall game overall. And its great if you have a Life as you can paly well in EvE while having time to be with Friends and family etc.
Of course if you have no life and live in MoM's basement try one of the WoW clones or WoW itself.
Thing to consider is that this poll is weighted based on those who voted out of the current pool of members. But hey, something to talk about I guess... EQ2 still > WoW ;)
Hello, my name is Rogee and I'm an old school UO'er who longs for the good ole' days.
My comment about Eve voters vs Eve player postings vs WoW posters:
Most Eve pilots are just here to read articles, not waste time bitching and moaning about trivial things (I don't know why I am even replying to this thread, but I digress).
I enjoyed UO, and I currently enjoy Eve because I'm not a mindless rat chasing the 'max level' or 'uber items' to make me feel good.
Skill based sandbox games for the win.
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Amazing, it took around 20 posts before someone made a swipe at SOE about SWG and the NGE. People must be slacking.
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Hopefully, the other companies behind the games are learning from Sony's mistake. Don't piss off your core fans.
It's really too bad. I liked SWG's space combat better than Eve's. It all the other SWG stuff that killed the game.
And EVE even missed a prize, it would win, no doubt: Best Graphics. There was simply no such award this year. EVE has a graphics in par with the pre-rendered production sci-fi movies. If you want to see EVE loosing, simply nominate it for the best in-game music award :D
In general, I've avoided posts about the awards because there's a lot of bickering back and forth. I do have two comments, however:
This Eve player implies that she and other Eve players voted per each of their accounts, which is cheating. Did mmorpg.com do anything to mitigate the possibility of bumping up votes through multiple accounts (IP checking, maybe)?
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It's a poll on this site PPL, get a grip. It's like any other award thats based on votes.
If you want your fav to win then stop playing and jump on to the internet, surf over to this site and vote (unless your playing EVE in which case you can continue playing and surfing at the same time).
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Hmm, just as expected.
Eve is a fun game and yes, for the graphics department no other game can even come close. You also have pretty much absolute freedom to do as you please. As I've said before, that can be both beneficial and a deterant for any MMO.
Is Eve the best game of 2007 though? I think it could be since it's one of the few Sci Fi games out there. If Star Wars wasn't @#$!ed up by SOE / LA, would that be a different story? It's tough to say. Anyhow, congrats to Eve and all the other winners out there.
What it comes downt to is that if you like Fantasy you probably wouldnt have voted for EvE, but if you like Sci-Fi well to be honest there isant much to chose from is there?
Right now out of the Sci-Fi games EvE is probably the only one thats actually Votable [i.e. developed].
Spent a good half an hour reading so much posts, about how people should or should not come and vote for the game they play, about the 200 k people playing Eve and voting, well why the hell should a game be voted for only by the people who play it; How the readers poll has been cheeater by the readers. And little kids winning becouse their favorite game did not win.
And there was no one to consider that this was not about what game you play, but what is the best game(for instance) ... (from here on I will say why i think EvE deserves this prize) ... well surely the game with the stunning graphics(yes i am sure of that; my mother came in the room, one day long ago,took a look at the screen and asked "What is this game", "why" i was surprised, "it is so beautiful"), a great inovative gameplay that lets you loose in a virtual world, balansing old timers and new players(i hate being killed by lvl 70, who think it is fun, my self being times lower in the "WoW"). Oh i can describe the beautis of this vast game for hours, but i think anyone inteligent enough can go and see them for himself. But darn how can someone say that the game that puts the first 'M' in the "MMORPG" with the 40 000++ record in one place is not the best Mmorpg, just for this i think Eve deserves to be the best Massively Multieplayer Online Role Playing Game(and hell, you can really play some role in it, but can you in a game like "Wow", other than being the best raiding machine on this side of the world).
And please do not say EvE does not require skill. The only real meaning of this is that in combat you do not have to be able to press a gazillion keys per second. At least that is what is stated by some critics, but they have only seen the game in the 14 day trial. Trully as you engage in "massive" battles you need more skill than most other games require. And who the f*** says you do not need skill to play hte game overall, you just need to pay. Maybe becouse you just payed and did not play the game you never saw the true beauty of it.
P.s. Maybe So much Eve fans voted becouse they do not eve need to stop playing. They just put up the in game web browser visit the site and vote. While players of other "Morpg"s will have to get seperated from their game. It surely is fairly easy and guess what you can ask other people to do it in the in game chat, or maybe it has been propaganed on the eve-radio, although i haven't heard anything about this on it.
P.S. all the people who still think their favorite should have won nad have not tried all the rest of the games ( and i meean tried as in seen most of the game) should consider that it is about what is the best game, not "what are you playing now?"
This thread delivers on so many levels .. grats EvE, as for whiners and the other games fanboys:
What is disturbing here is that people still seem to think the most played games are automatically the best. Maybe, just maybe... the fact that EVE has fewer subscribers than WoW or EQ means it tailors to more specific tastes? I dunno.
You would think that people who fit in such a category would be far more satisfied overall, than a gamer who stumbled into some MMO with huge subscription base and equally huge turnover rate - wouldn't you?
EVE is not a perfect game by any stretch of imagination, despite the fact that it has been retail nearly five years and keeps winning this silly award. But like most of the people who voted for it, I would gladly vote for another better game if there was one. I just didn't see that option this year, or last year, or the year before that.
EVE is as good as it gets, and judging by the trends WoW set in the MMO genre I doubt we'll get something better anytime soon. So as you can see, even EVE players have a reason to be slightly depressed with the results.
You find it disturbing that the games played most are to be considered the best? According to that logic games with the smaller player base must be considered the better ones? The least bought games are those of the highest Quality? This is what I would call a jaundiced perspective.
Personally, I see the market as a pretty good indicator as to whenever a product holds any merit. Products which are great sell like the proverbial hot cakes whereas products which aren't don't. In the case of MMOs the players vote every month with their money, I find it hard to believe that customers would pay continuously for a service they dislike.
Huge subscription base and equally huge turnover rate indeed. I would rather conclude that any game with a huge subscriber base which is rapidly growing at the same time is accumulating players, and not loosing them. I would rather say games with small and/or slowly growing subscriber bases have to struggle a lot more with 'huge turnover'. Those probably aren't able to keep customers long enough to accumulate larger numbers. (Granted, they probably haven't got such a 'huge' turnover either for the simple reason they have nothing 'huge' in terms of subscriber numbers about them in the first place)
Im sorry, but bigger = better makes no sense. Lets take eve and wow for example. If the products being compared was launched on a equal playing field then yes, the arguement could hold ground. This didnt happen though. Any big names in games and gaming companies is going to do better than a game launched from a company noones ever heard of. Eve grew through spread of mouth, not commercials with william shatner and mr t. It didnt have 15ish years of good games under its belt to bolster its game on. Blizzard could launch a game that involves killing 1 mob over and over again inside a white box, and you know what it would sell millions of copies just because it has thier logo on it. Same with many other games, theres no differances between the hundreds of asian free mmo's and eq, uo, wow, l2, lotr. Theyre all cookie cutter mmo's that have barely anything differant, but the asian free mmo's dont have a name and that is why they have small player base's and will eventually die out into obscurity. Now you take eve, it was launched as a relatively new type of mmo. The game was full of bugs at the beginning, but because it was something differant and had tons of potential people stuck with it. 4 years later the game is bigger than ever, consistently breaking its own server records(its somewhere around 42000 people online at once, from 3000 couple years back). A large amount of people from the beginning of the game is still playing, and the "turnaround" isnt very high, corp history is a testament to this. The reason niche games dont have huge player base's is just that. They cater to specific audiances, instead of cookie cutter games, which dont bring in anything original just goes with what is known to work and plays off thier name to expand. The proof can all be seen by whats coming out. Just look at aoc and warhammer, these games are going to be huge, theyre going to sell millions of copies even though noones played em yet. Theyre nothing differant than what has been done before, borrowed ideas from other games. But they will be sucessful, not because theyre any good, innovating, or bug-free but only because they have a pre-existing name and a cookie cutter gameplay that garuntee's their sucess. Oh, and mcdonalds despite thier amazing sales do not have the best hamburgers either.
If Star Wars Galaxies had been handled like EVE-Online, I would be playing Star Wars Galaxies now.
What I mean by that is fixing the many bugs since release, and improving and expanding the game instead of totally changing it into another EQ/WoW Clone.
They had quite a bit of subs, I think 400k?
What happened to these players? I think they are scattered between all the different mmo's that offer something more then loot and level farming. Too bad there is not much choice, mainly because there are not alot of quality products or products with not enough advertisement ( think about Ryzom )
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Note the use of the word "automatically", implying its stupid to make judgements on the quality of a game based on its outward size first. If you believe I said the exact opposite of that - that small games are automatically better - then you need serious help with reading comprehension.
Following that is an offer of explanation for the specific case with EVE vs WoW, and why EVE manages to nab this award. To reiterate and elaborate:
WoW has broader appeal in both gameplay style (flying spaceships vs having an avatar) and content (high fantasy vs obscure sci-fi). Blizzard can get a lot more people to try their game than CCP, first of all, and there is a good chance they'll sub at least one month. By contrast, its a lot harder to explain why EVE is good without using concepts unfamiliar to MMO newbies. Not only that, but the 14 day trial is not even going to show you the basic game - its going to show you the game client. Where it starts to turn around, is when both camps start to understand the game they are paying for.
Even then, I am fairly certain the rate at which EVE grows is only limited by the ability of hardware to support their single universe architecture. If EVE had the technical capability for millions of players, then it would.
Either way, it is clear that EvE Online is a more advanced mmorpg then WoW and mmorpg veterans are more likely to go for the more advanced and complex game. While the mmorpg newbie will most likely play the most known and easier mmorpg 1st ( WoW ).
This is probably also part of the reason why EVE gets many votes at this site, because the mmorpg veterans are well represented here.
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Major Reasons why I play Eve-Online (And why I think it is deserving)
Complexity (More Options)
Eve presents a more complex gaming experience than I’ve seen in an MMO, and I have been around a while. The majority of other games, from my experience seem to have what I call the “Hack & Slash” game-play. Essentially, you roam the game’s landscape endlessly killing creatures in pursuance of experience, and even the missions are not much different. Also, the PVP I find boring, in that there is no real purpose in it, other than simple gratification. Essentially, these players PVP for the bragging rights.
Therefore, with this reasoning these games are simple in their design; they are playable by anyone who can press a few buttons to swing a weapon.
Eve, on the other hand presents a complex system full of variety and options. Taking into consideration, that Eve presents a complete virtual world, complete with the most advanced game economy (Which is being studied by economists and students around the world) to date. This virtual world makes sense of its existence, rather than simply existing for the purposes of roaming gangs in search of their next victim of experience. Eve presents a scenario where a player can truly immerse himself/herself in all of its glory, all the way from leading a corporation as a CEO, to producing ships and equipment for dominating the local market, to leading the charge of a fleet into a 0.0 POS takedown.
Graphics
I seriously doubt that anyone can make a serious argument against Eve’s graphics being the best around. I specifically have a problem with WOW’s graphics, one of the main reasons why I stayed away from it. Any game that looks like Fisher Price Land, just doesn’t do it for me. Other games however, do make a concerted effort for great graphics, and some do excel! However, I feel that Eve just pushes so many boundaries and creates cutting edge visuals, and even more advancements are coming with the release of Ambulation. CCP is pushing the edge in MMO graphics, and others should well pay attention.
Combat and PVP (Strategy)
Sadly, I have already summed up the expansiveness of other games combat in the first paragraph, so I don’t need to go into further detail there. On the other hand, Eve presents a realistic scenario with combat that makes sense and which is part of that realistic virtual world. Combat and PVP in Eve exists because of the players actions, and those actions have consequences, rather than purely existing for the players to have something extra to do. The combat in Eve, is more so dependent on military strategy and planning than any other game I’ve seen. Every decision from what ship to use, to what modules to fit, and down to how the fleet attacks it’s targets is crucial to victory or defeat. I simply cannot find another game that presents a greater opportunity in this aspect.
Economy
The economy in Eve is just mind boggling, both in its size and scope, as well in how the players are able to interact with it. Wars, Material Shortages, and Population all play major roles in Eve’s economy. Specifically, an item may be a certain price in one area, but be lower in another due to certain factors, rather than being the same price throughout the game world. The Eve economy is varied and presents a serious model, which leads to a more immersive game experience.
Conclusion
Honestly, no game is perfect, and realistically speaking, it’s more a matter of taste than anything else. However, I think that CCP and Eve push boundaries than other games just do not, both in terms of game-play as well as creating enjoyable and beautiful game worlds for their players.
Eve is a complex game, but I for one find that refreshing in that there is more for me to do, to see, and experience.
Addendum
Eve Nominated for an Academy Award