Originally posted by Stradden

Take one barely finished, bug riddled game, and add one just released, barely supported OS and what do you get? A reason to stop playing MMORPGs and start drowning yourself in whiskey.

Here's a link to a post about the AL sound issues in Vanguard and a fix.

http://www.silkyvenom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10186

Originally posted by Lowdos

Originally posted by Stradden

Take one barely finished, bug riddled game, and add one just released, barely supported OS and what do you get? A reason to stop playing MMORPGs and start drowning yourself in whiskey.

I HAVE NOTHING POSITIVE TO SAY, SO I'LL JUST LAUGH AND MAKE JOKES ABOUT GAMES. 

Originally posted by mehhem

Originally posted by Lowdos

Originally posted by Stradden

Take one barely finished, bug riddled game, and add one just released, barely supported OS and what do you get? A reason to stop playing MMORPGs and start drowning yourself in whiskey.

I HAVE NOTHING POSITIVE TO SAY, SO I'LL JUST LAUGH AND MAKE JOKES ABOUT GAMES. 

Actually Vanguard runs fine for me.  I have an 8800GTS with the 100.59 drivers and also an X-Fi soundcard.  I don't have the alchemy software though. 

I can not get City of Heroes to run in Full Screen mode.  As of now I've been running in Windowed mode and that has worked alright.

Originally posted by Lowdos

Originally posted by mehhem

Originally posted by Lowdos

Originally posted by Stradden

Take one barely finished, bug riddled game, and add one just released, barely supported OS and what do you get? A reason to stop playing MMORPGs and start drowning yourself in whiskey.

I HAVE NOTHING POSITIVE TO SAY, SO I'LL JUST LAUGH AND MAKE JOKES ABOUT GAMES. 

Actually Vanguard runs fine for me.  I have an 8800GTS with the 100.59 drivers and also an X-Fi soundcard.  I don't have the alchemy software though. 

I can not get City of Heroes to run in Full Screen mode.  As of now I've been running in Windowed mode and that has worked alright.

Sure, why not laugh at games (or operating systems)? Software does't have feelings to hurt, afterall. There are things in life far worse to laugh at.

And in its current form, VGSOH is a complete joke. LOL.

I liked the article though, Stradden.

look what you've gone and done now :( you've upset Vanguard! Humph................. It's going to be crying in that corner for years now and gonna get nowhere!

Hope your happy now.

Blasphemy!

Vanguard runs just fine for me , i have 99000000 GT , and just 15 gb ram. And i never have to /flush more than once in 30 minutes!
And my freon water cooling on quadrupal AMD core , is not even glowing blue , like ever !

Actually my spaceship , is connected to PC 

Just kidding guys

Originally posted by Rattrap

Blasphemy!

Vanguard runs just fine for me , i have 99000000 GT , and just 15 gb ram. And i never have to /flush more than once in 30 minutes!
And my freon water cooling on quadrupal AMD core , is not even glowing blue , like ever !

Actually my spaceship , is connected to PC 

Just kidding guys

 

Your PC is oldddddddd...

I'm on Ati x9950xtx, intel 300 core and 2000gb ram :P Cooled in 0.0 sec space.

i get a few stuttering problems on Vanguard but the graphics are AMAZING they are like totally better than a game from 5 years ago!

You shouldn't get a new Windows OS until it's been out for a while.

Come on people! Has nobody learned that with a new MS OS, you must wait until at least the first Service Pack before it's actually worth using?

I point you back to the first minor patches released for XP - pre-SP1 some of them would screw up your install and require a total format. Pre-SP2 similar things were not unheard of.
Now we think XP is fine, nice and stable and relatively bug-free (or at least managable ones).

I'm happy with XP, and certainly can't see myself upgrading just because a new shiny OS has come out. I'll stick with it until all the games I play no longer have XP support :)

In my opinion Windows Vista is not game ready yet. Of course many people with dream (to me) systems can enjoy their games on any operating system even it is the new microsoft's baby.

All of you that use this operating system must have in my mind that all grafix cards are designed for the directx 9.c interfaces and do not have the same perfomance on windows vista as they did on windows xp. Super card users will not notice much difference from 120 frames to 80 fps but lower end systems will suffer from flickering and strange interactions like crashing with no error messages since error handling is a memory and  perfomance consuming feature for the directx (direct api) calls. 

I think that we all must wait until directx 10 graphics cards are released and the Windows Vista operating system will allow poor people like me to enjoy them without much perfomance loss.

I ve found some screenies you might find interesting but i can't guarantee that they are true. (I wish they are!!!)

DirectX9 Vs DirectX10

DX9

DX 10

Age of Conan DX9

Age of Conan DX10 (WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO RELEASE THAT?! WHEN I GET MY RETIREMENT??) 

Age of Conan DX 9

Age of Conan DX 10

Halo: Combat Evolved DX 9

Crysis DX 10 ( I can't believe that)

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1941407,00.asp

"DirectX 10 versus DirectX 9

One key aspect of Direct3D 10 is that it's almost certainly going to be a Vista only feature. Direct3D 10 depends on the new Windows Device Driver Model, plus some of the virtualization features built into Vista. Retrofitting DirectX 10 to Windows XP is possible, but would take significant engineering and QA effort. On the other hand, if Vista's schedule keeps slipping, Microsoft may need to reevaluate this stance.

So Direct3D 10 won't have an immediate impact, save for a handful of titles slated to ship not long after Vista launches. What does DirectX 10 offer?

• Consistency across hardware. Capability bits (cap bits) are gone forever. Cards are either Direct3D compliant or not. So you won't have the situation with Direct3D 9, where one vendor might support FP16 blending while the other vendor doesn't. The only differentiation between hardware will be performance.
• Geometry shaders. Geometry fits into the 3D pipeline between vertex shaders and pixel shaders, taking the spot occupied by fixed function primitive setup in DirectX9. With DirectX 10, a geometry shader can actually generate new geometry (primitives) from incoming vertices.
• A single, unified shader engine that offers consistent behavior across vertex, geometry, and pixel shaders.
• More sophisticated flow control, including switch statements.
• Texture arrays. Using texture arrays, with indices into those arrays, will increase the overall efficiency of texture transfers.
• Overall efficiency has been increased. According to Sam Glassenberg, DirectX 10 program manager, state changes are much less costly, batch overhead is substantially lower, and some of the new features, like texture arrays and geometry shaders, means that fewer calls are needed.

From the end users perspective, the concept of consistency is huge. Today, whatever GPU supplier (Nvidia or ATI typically) you choose means that you give up some feature that's available on one vendor's GPU, but not the other. With DirectX 10 hardware, running DirectX 10 software, performance is the key difference."  .......

Originally posted by taliderian

Here's a link to a post about the AL sound issues in Vanguard and a fix.

 

http://www.silkyvenom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10186

That may work in XP, but it does not work in Vista. With that fix, you will get stereo sound, and it will show your soundcard in the drop down. Note STEREO sound, not 2.1 - so no bass.

The only way that I have found for VG to give me 5.1 sound under Vista is the fix I listed in the article.

I bought Windows Vista around the retail debut date.

At the moment, I have the following games on my PC:

City of Heroes (runs great if not better than when using XP/ had to implement -compatibleCursors 1 to see mouse icon ingame)

World of Warcraft (runs also great/ slight noise stuttering and popping, but vsync adjustment fixxed that)

Oblivion (no problems what so ever)

Rainbow 6: Vegas (no problems)

Company of Heroes (no problems)

Dark Messiah of Might and Magic (no problems)

9Dragons (no problems)

2Moons (cannot run at the moment/ gameguard has an issue that causes a BSoD with either the video card drivers or Vista itself)

I am happy with Vista so far. I remember the fated rumblings of how XP would destroy gaming and ruin your PC, so I take everything in stride.

-ashe-

Imagine that.  A writer wanna be for mmorpg getting in a cheap shot in at Vanguard. Personally I think people like you remove any credibility the gaming press has by adding low blows like this and I wanted to really let you have it, but then I thought to myself wait, this guy is so insignificant in the whole scheme of things that what he writes really doesn't matter one way or another.

My opinion is, staying on Windows XP till the price is lowering. For a student like me its a high sum of money.

 - Silver

Great post!

Thanks a bunch.

What I appreciate about this article is that rather than just whining about problems, it lists actual work-arounds and fixes for some of them.  I don't have Vista yet (I see no need for it) but if I did, I would want to know some of the practical issues presented and how to make things work.

As far as Vanguard is concerned, people need to chill out about it.  The reality is that it works great on some people's systems and for other people it doesn't work well at all.  This isn't the first game or patch where that was true, and it is always annoying when struggling with one's problems making a game work on your computer to get a chorus of  "hey, it works for me, all is great, you must be a troll or something" responses from fanbois like we get here on MMORPG every time somebody says anything less than glowing about VG.

You are going to love this one.  Regards Vanguard and OpenAL sound.... After one of its (uptill that point) regular crashes my whole ingame UI got totally mashed.  The only solution was to delete the VGclient.ini file and start from scratch.  Prior to this point I'd been playing around with Creatives Alchemy trying to get OpenAL to wotk to no avail, and had given up.  However, after deleting the ini file I suddenly got glorious hardware sound with no "Alchemy".

Anyways, the only game I've found so far that doesnt run on my  Vista X64, QX6700, 4Gb, SLi 8800GTX, XFi fatality PC is IL-2 Sturmovik 1946, absolutly everything else Ive tried seems to work!

Gorror

Zboard now has a beta ZEngine driver for their keyboards. You can find it here: http://community.zboard.com/forums/view.asp?topicID=2989

A non-beta version is supposed to be available today, Feb 14th, but they delayed last week as well, so don't hold your breath.

Originally posted by Vagelisp

DirectX9 Vs DirectX10

DX9

 

 

,

Originally posted by cerebrix

you should be embarrased for that article.  i'm embarassed that i read it.

A note about the Creative X-Fi cards.

I am running Vista 64 and I purchased an X-Fi Xtreme Audio so that I could have sound again. This was the least expensive X-Fi option.

Unfortunately, it's not actually an X-Fi card. It does not have the X-Fi hardware. From what I understand, it is in fact a previous generation Creative card that they slapped the X-Fi brand name onto.

Regardless, the Xtreme Audio does not support OpenAL. Apparently this is a hardware limitation, not a software one, so you won't be seeing support for it.

Note at the bottom of the ALchemy site it says: "* Excludes SB X-Fi Xtreme Audio"

Long story short, do not buy an X-Fi Xtreme Audio, it is a waste of money, it is under supported, and it's a gimped sick little joke.

~One very unhappy Myskers

Originally posted by cerebrix

btw being abrasive doesnt make me an asshat.  It just means that i'm better than you are.

Originally posted by LordSlater

Originally posted by Vagelisp

DirectX9 Vs DirectX10

DX9

 

 

,

Actually those are accurate pictures and yes Direct X 10 is Vista only its a microsoft tactic to make vista essential in future to everyone.

Nope because them faces were done on DX9 and that flight simulator wasn't done in real time :P Also Halo isn't esactly a good idea of what DX9 can do :P Plus AOC dx9 has had features taken out to make ppl buy DX10

Fact is DX10 doesn't look hardly any better than DX9

Originally posted by cerebrix

Originally posted by Faelan

Originally posted by cerebrix

you should be embarrased for that article.  i'm embarassed that i read it.

LOL! Why is it that there is always at least one asshat who just has to post something like that?

Anyway, as someone else posted, I'll just sit back and enjoy XP until MS gets around to releasing SP1 for Vista. By then, things should be stable and this whole DX10 thing is just vaporware in my eyes until we have a nice selection of DX10 based games on the market and 2nd generation DX10 cards. Even then, I can imagine I'll go through a transition period with XP on one HD and Vista on another.

 

because comments like "A quick look around the 'net uncovered a little trick to get my sound to stop emulating a breakfast cereal: It seems that if you turn off Vertical Sync in the display menu, the sound works better under Vista."

 

says "Hi there mmorpg.com readers, here is a technical evaluation from someone completely unqualified!!"

 

its kind of insulting.  perhaps i should write an article on being black since im a white irish guy that "heard its rough".

 

btw being abrasive doesnt make me an asshat.  It just means that i'm better than you are.

Some of you may like to waste time by meticulously testing each and every setting and each and every driver. I'm glad that kind of thing makes you happy, and that you have time to do it. Those of us with better things to do with our time are smart enough to do a quick Google for everything. If someone already has a solution, why would I waste my own precious time trying to figure it out?

At my "day job" we hire many techs. Those that are inclined to waste time trying to solve problems without first checking to see if there is already a published solution do not last long. They waste time trying to "solve" something that has long ago been solved. There's a reason for knowledge bases and search functions.

Originally posted by Dajmin

Come on people! Has nobody learned that with a new MS OS, you must wait until at least the first Service Pack before it's actually worth using?

I point you back to the first minor patches released for XP - pre-SP1 some of them would screw up your install and require a total format. Pre-SP2 similar things were not unheard of.
Now we think XP is fine, nice and stable and relatively bug-free (or at least managable ones).

I'm happy with XP, and certainly can't see myself upgrading just because a new shiny OS has come out. I'll stick with it until all the games I play no longer have XP support :)

Originally posted by user298
Please correct your article, Microsoft doesn't "push" OpenAL in any form, they have nothing to do with it, they do not care about OpenAL at all, the Microsoft's own direct replacement/successor of DirectSound in Vista is called XACT (THIS is what they are actually "pushing" the developers to use).

XACT stands for Cross-Platform Audio Creation Tool. It is an audio programming library that is part of the XNA toolset that they developed for the Xbox. XACT uses - tada! - Open AL to hardware accelerate audio. XACT used to use DirectSound, but DirectSound is no longer supported in DX9 L and above.

You are correct though, Microsoft didn't develop Open AL.

I had issues getting EVE Online to do ANYTHING after the splash screen. There's a fix mentioned by members on the website which was also repeated to me by tech support after I filed a petition.

Run the game under Windows XP SP2 compatibility mode. You can find this option by right clicking on the game icon on your desktop and inside Properties. I can't remember the exact tab once Properties is open, but it shouldn't be hard to miss. It'll do until the game gets patched for Vista.

Great write up, thanks for saving me the hassles. I think I'll stick with xp for now

Originally posted by cerebrix

Originally posted by Agent_X7

Some of you may like to waste time by meticulously testing each and every setting and each and every driver. I'm glad that kind of thing makes you happy, and that you have time to do it. Those of us with better things to do with our time are smart enough to do a quick Google for everything. If someone already has a solution, why would I waste my own precious time trying to figure it out?

At my "day job" we hire many techs. Those that are inclined to waste time trying to solve problems without first checking to see if there is already a published solution do not last long. They waste time trying to "solve" something that has long ago been solved. There's a reason for knowledge bases and search functions.

 

 

 

 

i dont test things meticulously never said i did so it doesnt make me happy.  Not in my spare time anyway.  On the job, thats a different story but this isnt about me or my technical understanding.  the vsync thing isnt a problem, its just how it works.  a trip to frigign wikipedia would have told him that.  What he basically said was similar to a statement like "my car is fast i just gotta get past this whole pushing the gas pedal problem."  I assume he played wow before.  vsync didnt work any different ly in XP than it does in vista.  So hes just now turned it on for the first time?  I find that hard to believe.  The whole thing smells of bullshit.  Can this guy even install wow and patch it all by himself?  It sounds extreme but honestly, if I only go by the statements in the article, I have numerous reasons to wonder.

 

the issue here is the article gives the impression by title that its written by someone that has the technical understanding of directx compatibility.  Someone like this giving users advice is just a really irresponsible thing to do.  its like me giving you a second opinion on a doctors diagnosis because i used a doctor once.

 

as far as your day job, good for those tech's i guess.  i have a resume too.  part of it has me acting as "Directx Hardware Compatibility Coordinator" for a major game company on more than one occasion.  Yes I'm abrasive.  It's how I am.  I get the job done and im to the point.  no bullshit. 

 

Nothing gets me going quite like irresponsible journalism.  This site has completely failed its readership with this article.  We pay their bills and they should treat us accordingly.  Not spam out crap to show us more banner ads.

 

Frankly, I'd like a retraction and an apology, we all deserve one.

 

Uh the site is free ... how does that mean we're paying their bills it not like we're shelling out money directly to them.   And honestly who cares if he was giving out generic advice or not there's TONS tons of people here who are completely clueless about vsync or hardware compatibility issues when it comes to vista atleast he wrote something offering some sort of help.    Funny how you tout that you work, being abrasive especially at work eventually gets you 'let go' or replaced since there are probably millions of people who could easily fill your silly little job.    I can tell you right now I wouldn't want you working on my team at work.

Wanna rip this guy's article fine but atleast offer your own supposedly 'impressive' advice for the clueless ones out there instead of being a complete asshat.

give away tech advice for free?

wow youre a comedian

the issue here is the article gives the impression by title that its written by someone that has the technical understanding of directx compatibility.  Someone like this giving users advice is just a really irresponsible thing to do.  its like me giving you a second opinion on a doctors diagnosis because i used a doctor once.

 Actually, he never said such a thing, nor did I get the impression he is some kind of expert in DirectX compatibility.  If you wish to believe that he was putting himself up as some kind of technical genius, that would be all you, I believe.  I certainly didn't read that article thinking that I was going to get free professional tech support.  He wrote it from the perspective of the average gamer.

So... yeah.  You can say that he was acting all high and mighty, but that's just your opinion.

as far as your day job, good for those tech's i guess.  i have a resume too.  part of it has me acting as "Directx Hardware Compatibility Coordinator" for a major game company on more than one occasion.  Yes I'm abrasive.  It's how I am.  I get the job done and im to the point.  no bullshit. 

Too bad your job isn't to be a raging, retarded asshat to people in a hobby.  Though if it were, you'd certainly be doing an excellent job, yes. 

Nothing gets me going quite like irresponsible journalism.  This site has completely failed its readership with this article.  We pay their bills and they should treat us accordingly.  Not spam out crap to show us more banner ads.

 Oh, God, you really are stupid.  First, this place is free of charge.  You haven't paid one red cent of this article.

And if it has failed so utterly, why the hell are you still here?

Frankly, I'd like a retraction and an apology, we all deserve one.

Oh, yeah.  Because some anonymous jackhole who may or may not be anyone important, who doesn't contribute to this site, who doesn't do anything other than complain about an article, should certainly be listened to.

I have a better idea.  You go die in a hot, hot fire, and the rest of us will appreciate someone who was just trying to help out, whether or not it ultimately proves of any use to us personally and individually.

Originally posted by cerebrix

give away tech advice for free?

 

wow youre a comedian

In reference to the Ageia (sp?) PhysX drivers: In your article, you specifically mentioned that no game uses them.  Well...that's not quite accurate.  City of Heroes/Villains does use them, at least in a limited fashion.  They are by no means required, however; if that's what you meant, then I apologize.  I don't have the drivers on my system, but I do get physics effects (much to my great knockback joy :D).  From skimming the Tech Support portion of the official forums over there, some people have downloaded those drivers and are using them, and in fact, they are recommended (and a download link provided) on the Launcher everytime you go in-game.

Just my $0.02. :)  On the whole, a fantabulous article, well-written.  Personally, I've no intention of upgrading to Vista whatsoever.  Eventually my current PC will go The Way Of All Things, and my next box will come with Vista installed.  There, upgraded. ;)  By then, they should have SP1 out, and the video/soundcard drivers *should* be out of beta.

Originally posted by Eindrachen

 

 Oh, God, you really are stupid.  First, this place is free of charge.  You haven't paid one red cent of this article.

 

And if it has failed so utterly, why the hell are you still here?

Oh, yeah.  Because some anonymous jackhole who may or may not be anyone important, who doesn't contribute to this site, who doesn't do anything other than complain about an article, should certainly be listened to.

I have a better idea.  You go die in a hot, hot fire, and the rest of us will appreciate someone who was just trying to help out, whether or not it ultimately proves of any use to us personally and individually.

ok yes this place is free of charge, nobody is making any money.  or wait, maybe they are but its very little.  video games make up for such a tiny industry and theres probably no money to be made from a news site that covers an industry that will take in nearly 1 billion dollars this year alone globally.  are you really that naieve or do you have to work at it?

know it or not im doing you all a favor.  its time people stood up to their news sources like men, not like pavlovian beaten dogs "taking what we can get"  make no mistake, this company makes money off of you.  a lot of it.  as consumers you should demand the best.

oh and as far as being anonymous youre right.  right now i am...

you arent tho....

anyway im done with this thread.

I cannot imagine that many serious gamers out there are using Vista; those who are, will probably be switching back to XP for the next year or so.

Vista has enough driver issues to sink a ship.  Expect to take about a 10% framerate hit on almost every DX9 pc game.  On the plus side, Vista actually runs DX7 games *better* than XP (because XP drivers are optimized for DX9, while Vista drivers are unoptimized, and run everything equally badly, and yes this was tested).  So yank out those golden oldies!  ;)

Vista is a memory hog; in an era where games are going to start requiring 1-2gb of RAM to run well, the idea of running an OS that eats MORE of my RAM is ludicrous.

We've got two guildmembers playing Vanguard who bought new machines and are running Vista, and can't talk in Teamspeak while they are in game.  They can hear; but not speak.  TS works OK out of game, but not in game...  I saw a number of these odd little "quirks" out there while checking out Vista earlier.

So basically, Vista is a RAM hog, has huge driver issues, won't run some of my software, and the stuff it WILL run it often runs badly.  What do we get in return for these issues?  Nothing.  Vista basically adds DX10, which isn't being used for a single MMORPG (yet) and is hardly in use for singleplayer games.  Vista is a pile of steaming fewmets foisted off on the public by a company with a reputation for building terrible operating systems (Win 3.0, Win 3.1, Win ME ring any bells?).

Maybe in a year or two Vista will be worth getting.  Til then, I'll be sticking with XP, and so will most other folks, I suspect.

Originally posted by Veiled_light

Nope because them faces were done on DX9 and that flight simulator wasn't done in real time :P

Originally posted by TARDISjunkie

In reference to the Ageia (sp?) PhysX drivers: In your article, you specifically mentioned that no game uses them.  Well...that's not quite accurate.  City of Heroes/Villains does use them, at least in a limited fashion. 

Oke, maybe not really the place, but i just have to get this of my chest!

About 4 months ago i upgraded my pc to the max and installed Vista Beta. Everything worked so i thought "let's try this Second Life thing everyones talking about" So i installed it no problem.... that is until i wanted to run it and got a "generic error".

So i tried the faq's and found out that everyone using vista had the same problem and the first  user-question bout this was from August. The only thing SL had to say about this was that the video-drivers should be updated (my card was brand new and had all new drivers, so this was not the case!)

A month later SL still hadn't done anything about it, so i posted an angry reply about SL apperently not wanting to service their customers and that they at least lost me as a client and called out to other to do the same and hopefully pressuring SL into taking action.

About a month later (i hadn't been back since my last reply) a saw that clients weren't able to post anymore on the subject and SL refused to update their game claiming "not being able to adjust their game to a OS that was not available for purchase yet".

So how come almost every MMorpg is playable on a OS that is not for sale yet, except SL. That to me is just a sign of lazyness, of not being willing to ajust to new situations, just like an old dog, you can't teach them new tricks.

I myself refuse to play SL ever again and just stick to WoW, who even thought the mess up sometimes, always have a quick and new solution handy!

Quote:

"Keep gaming on Windows XP for now"

It is common knowledge to never and I mean NEVER install a new O/S from Microsoft that just released.

Rule of thumb is to give a new O/S from Microsft 6 months to a year before most software, games and devices are compatible with it.

However good article for those that had no clue on this and bought it anyways.

I'm playing Wow , GW and EVE on Vista 64x.  I cannot use my SLI because Nvidia doesn't have the drivers out yet. However, the games look better and play just as well with one 7800GTX  in Vista as they did with 2 cards in xp. As far as sound cards go, I just have the abit sound card that came with the motherbaord. Sound works great! sounds the same as it always did. I guess I got lucky.  I love Vista, I think it works great! I do have 4 gigs of ram. That might be one reason  Vista works so well for me.

I did have a lot of installation issues.

Whatever you do, if you have more than one hard drive. Disconnect all but one, before you install Vista. Then reconnect the others after Vista has installed, otherwise. Your in for a nightmare.

Originally posted by erandur
all that trouble.. just to run games on the worst OS ever, and you guys are trying to let them run as good as on the second worst OS..

Originally posted by cerebrix

i was with you on this article until i read you vsync comments.

 

then i realized you are just posting other peoples fixes with no idea yourself how to troubleshoot or understand technology properly.

 

next time you guys need an experienced technician to write a real technical evaluation give me a call.

 

im sorry but the only problem you were having with vsync was known as a pebkac error.  p.e.b.k.a.c (problem exists between keyboard and chair).

 

the only problem was your lack of understanding of how it works.  vsync is BASIC stuff.  like page 5 of a tech manual basic stuff.

 

you should be embarrased for that article.  i'm embarassed that i read it.

Vertical synchronization

Originally posted by erandur
all that trouble.. just to run games on the worst OS ever, and you guys are trying to let them run as good as on the second worst OS..
btw, not only the gaming is a problem on windows vista, where are the updates? only downgrades.. their new "security" system uses way to much physical memory, and it still sucks as before

Originally posted by kedoremos

Originally posted by erandur
all that trouble.. just to run games on the worst OS ever, and you guys are trying to let them run as good as on the second worst OS..
btw, not only the gaming is a problem on windows vista, where are the updates? only downgrades.. their new "security" system uses way to much physical memory, and it still sucks as before

Right.. so let me get this straight, you're saying the Vista and XP are the first and second worst OSes ever made?

What about Linux? Yeah, I said it.

Its an unusable toy that only the most dedicated zealots can get any value out of.

Linux is only free if your time is worthless.





         


soo the ps3 is unstable? ive never seen the ps3 crash... gah stupid quote shit..cant get it to work

Originally posted by RiSqU3

Originally posted by kedoremos

Originally posted by erandur
all that trouble.. just to run games on the worst OS ever, and you guys are trying to let them run as good as on the second worst OS..
btw, not only the gaming is a problem on windows vista, where are the updates? only downgrades.. their new "security" system uses way to much physical memory, and it still sucks as before

Right.. so let me get this straight, you're saying the Vista and XP are the first and second worst OSes ever made?

What about Linux? Yeah, I said it.

Its an unusable toy that only the most dedicated zealots can get any value out of.

Linux is only free if your time is worthless.





         


soo the ps3 is unstable? ive never seen the ps3 crash... gah stupid quote shit..cant get it to work

Originally posted by kedoremos

Right.. so let me get this straight, you're saying the Vista and XP are the first and second worst OSes ever made?

What about Linux? Yeah, I said it.

Its an unusable toy that only the most dedicated zealots can get any value out of.

Linux is only free if your time is worthless.

you looked almost credible until this statement.  you might want to tell nasa their time is worthless.

Originally posted by cerebrix

Originally posted by kedoremos

Right.. so let me get this straight, you're saying the Vista and XP are the first and second worst OSes ever made?

What about Linux? Yeah, I said it.

Its an unusable toy that only the most dedicated zealots can get any value out of.

Linux is only free if your time is worthless.

 

 

you looked almost credible until this statement.  you might want to tell nasa their time is worthless.

 

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see again i have to disagree.  my girlfriend has been running linspire as her primary desktop os for 2 years and she doesnt know the difference between a text editor and a paint program.

she surfs the web, watches movies online, watches tv and uses it as a dvr, edits her website, plays games online (mostly flash stuff), and doesnt have a single problem.  i also dont think its been rebooted in 7 or so months.

Hi everybody.

I have to slightly disagree with most forum users here.

You say Vista is not ready for games right now, that one should wait until first SP to even start considering the new OS, but that's not quite true. I bought XP a week after it came out. It had some issues but most of my hardware was supported and in a couple of months I was able to run a stable, fully configured PC.

I think the worst problem with Vista is NOT Vista itself. The problem is that hardware manufacturers clearly ignored the RTM and started working on compatible drivers AFTER Vista had been released. I do not blame Microsoft for Vista not fully working: most of my harware runs just fine with Vista drivers. I do not have full control on RAID HDDs, LAN card advanced features, MoBo tweaking, etc...but THAT is due to manufacturers who didn't come out with a full fledged driver BEFORE Vista release date. And they had plenty of time!

I run Vista with microsoft drivers for everything except TV card (I run manufacturer drivers for XP, which run great) and videocard (I use nVidia drivers 97.46 which run just fine, even if I don't have all the setting I had on XP) and everytime I try a manufacturer updated Vista driver, everything turns to crap! Clearly the problem is that HW manufacturers are NOW in the works for Vista drivers, so the blame's on them if our PCs are not running fine.

Everything in Vista that has nothing to do with third party hardware and its advanced settings is running crap with manufacturer's drivers; everything else in Vista is working flawlessly.

Think about it...

Originally posted by cerebrix

see again i have to disagree.  my girlfriend has been running linspire as her primary desktop os for 2 years and she doesnt know the difference between a text editor and a paint program.

 

she surfs the web, watches movies online, watches tv and uses it as a dvr, edits her website, plays games online (mostly flash stuff), and doesnt have a single problem.  i also dont think its been rebooted in 7 or so months.

Originally posted by cerebrix

give away tech advice for free?

 

wow youre a comedian

How would you know?

Not to sound rude or anything but you appear to be a person who has never had a smile on his face.

By your own definition you seem as ill equipped to talk about humour, or any positive human feeling, as you claim Stradden is to talk about Vista.

Just my own personal reflection judging from your posts, and one that is just as eligible as your initial one.

Great article Stradden by the way, not going to get Vista anytime soon but I got a few good laughs out of your write-up, and that always makes for a good day.

If only the cynical megalomaniacs on this site could learn to laugh once in a while, ( and no, laughing at a dog getting hit by a car does NOT count ), this place migth have been an ever better place.

Cheers.

Hello All,

ok I have not had many problems with Vista to date but I learned something right away about starting games like Wow under vista.

(1) Right click your shortcut and click run as Admistrator.

(2) if your still having issues right click short cut/ properties and run your games in WinXp Compatiblity mode.

Most of the problems are caused by the firewalls and permission settings in Vista these steps help alot especially if your game client has auto-updates.

If you patch manually , Right click the patch.exe and run it in Admin mode also

Good luck!!!!

VISTA  ROCKS :)

War

Hi,

I think the article is very well written, but I think it gives an unfair account on several points.

First of all, all my games run fantastic on Windows Vista. I've loaded up Guild Wars, WoW, several first person shooters, Auto Assault and Vanguard and the performance is not only flawless, but downright impressive. I'm running Duo Core 2.13 with 2 gigs of RAM and a GEForce 7600 256mb card. Everything runs great if it is supported by decent hardware and a decent processor. In fact, it's quite astonishing.

Secondly, the conclusion on Vanguard is dead wrong. Last night I was loading video from my camcorder in the backround while running Vanguard on all HIGH settings. Vanguard was running without a hitch. Not a single hiccup, or framerate loss, or anything. I kept flipping between applications and the processor was yawning - literally asking for more work to do.

Also, the conclusion on audio is off base. The audio is fantastic in Vanguard running under Vista. It was so brilliant even during the load of the CD's all I could do was sit there and crank the speakers and just enjoy it. Also, during gameplay it never cuts out on Vista (it does on my Pentium 4 HT 3.0 though - running XP - it's choppy and horrible actually) and is absolutely fantastic.

The key is that a box needs to be equipped with the proper hardware to run Vista, and then the results will literally blow you away. There is no reason to avoid Vista in my opinion. They have paid billions of dollars to develop this operating system, and it really shows in every aspect.

I do not with to bash the author of this article, but in my opinion it is not a fair assessment of the state of gaming on Vista.   

Originally posted by Mark701
Everone who is stressing about Vista, forget about it. I read an article last week (sorry can't find the link) that indicated that our friends at MS are already developing ANOTHER operating system codename VIENNA. If this is true Vista, like ME is a transitional OS to make MS loads of dough until they can get the REAL OS out. 

First, not exactly "news."  If you Google Vienna+Microsoft, make sure to have a bottle of whiskey close by.

Vienna mentioned LAST year on CNet:

http://news.com.com/Microsoft+looks+beyond+Vista,+sees+Vienna/2100-1016_3-6029241.html

More recently on PC World (as of Feb 9):

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,128888-c,vistalonghorn/article.html

Recenty on ZDNet:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=253

That's enough links to get started... you guys are good enough to Google the rest on your own, and there are lots of links.

I'm normally on the group that says to wait until Vista becomes more robust. I want Vista, but what's happening is basically old  Win95/WinXP-debut history repeating itself... once the dust settles I'll take the plunge. However, this Vienna thing worries me. In 2009? Only 2 years? I'm all for (so-called) "progress" and all that hype but, is Vista then another Windows ME? Don't know whether to laugh or cry on this one  

Maybe it's still to early to reach any conclusions, I don't know. But with the little I know of Microsoft's track record, this is not giving me a pleasant aftertaste, to say the least.

Well since XP didn't work with jack crap when it was released and took awhile for it to be compatible i would say the same for Vista.

Well, what can I say? I bought a new PC and it has Vista Ultimate installed. (If you think about buying Vista, get an oem version, which can be sold seperately now... and dont let them tell you otherwise!). The only thing that doesn't work for me under Vista is my WLAN Stick. But I can live with that.

Games. Let me put it this way: WoW never ran better, it's smooth, it's flashy and it sounds great. I do have to say, that the occasional crash still occurs, but I point that finger toward the game itself.

Vanguard: I tell you what: if you try to run Vanguard on a weak system, then it's no wonder you'll have a bad game experience. it states clearly on the box that this is a next gen game and you should use a next gen comp to play it on. It runs great as long as no "disturbances" occur... like a messenger prog that's running in the background and pops up with a message, crashing the game immediately ^^ Vanguard is an excellent game and people will buy faster systems over time... it's just the way things go... and by the end of summer, when the days are getting colder again, they'll have most of the bugs cleared out and a shiny new world awaits.

Whoever is looking for something more "adult" in mmorgp than WoW... give Vanguard a try. But don't take a human...that's boring *lol* Have fun, whatever game you play.

Originally posted by Veiled_light

Originally posted by LordSlater

Originally posted by Vagelisp

DirectX9 Vs DirectX10

DX9

 

 

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Actually those are accurate pictures and yes Direct X 10 is Vista only its a microsoft tactic to make vista essential in future to everyone.

Nope because them faces were done on DX9 and that flight simulator wasn't done in real time :P Also Halo isn't esactly a good idea of what DX9 can do :P Plus AOC dx9 has had features taken out to make ppl buy DX10

Fact is DX10 doesn't look hardly any better than DX9

Getting a fast new pc system with a shiny fresh vista playing your favorite game at top speed and grafix is... just... so... damn... rewarding.

Heck, what am i working for so hard all day? A house? A car? No... but it's just about enough for a new machine.

Have no fear of the future.

Good jop.

Just want to ad that EVE runs fine at the moment under vista to.

I have not yet encounterd any problems.

More on Vienna:

WikiPedia

EndGadget

WindowsVienna.com (which I don't really like since it doesn't cite references, nor has any links to substantiate the articles...although it looks like the same info you can find elsewhere)

Beta News

Paul Thurrot's Supersite for Windows

Vista is SO old news now

I have an issue with my new computer and Vista. I am not sure if it is the vista or what. BUT when playing COH (city of heroes) I crash a lot. The screen gets lines through it and I have to turn off my machine and reboot. Will not even let me ctr alt delete. I fixed the easy stuff like video lines through it and mouse issue. But not this. It is very frustrating when you are on a mission and have to start over because it crashed. Anyone know what to do?