2006 Reader's Choice Award Winners

Like everyone didn't see those results coming...

Of course, every other game company doesn't really care who MMORPG.com votes for, so how is this suprising?  Eve was the only company I seen where the actual game posted on their website for everyone to come vote.

I don't see who would take this seriously anyways.

Why not make it next year where new accounts don't count towards the votes, and that an account had to be active within atleast the last 30 days to vote.  Honestly though, I'm sure you enjoy the tons of throw away accounts that are created.  Just makes your site look like it gets more hits. 

Originally posted by Teleboas

Like everyone didn't see those results coming...

Of course, every other game company doesn't really care who MMORPG.com votes for, so how is this suprising?  Eve was the only company I seen where the actual game posted on their website for everyone to come vote.

I don't see who would take this seriously anyways.

Why not make it next year where new accounts don't count towards the votes, and that an account had to be active within atleast the last 30 days to vote.  Honestly though, I'm sure you enjoy the tons of throw away accounts that are created.  Just makes your site look like it gets more hits. 

Originally posted by Phoenixs
Eve winning the best PVE award. Hmm something is wrong here...

Originally posted by Drachii
Bugger, I forgot to write IBDS ¬_¬

EOriginally posted by Shanks123
lol people for eve proly joined the site just to vote. But you know thats a comited player base imo they like there game and theyw ant people to kno it. Even tho im getting sick of it all : /





p.s. this site needs like an editers choice awards because readers choices are always limited to the readers fav games

EEEEEEEEEEK!! EVE fanboi invasion. I agree that EVE Online is a decent game, but in NO way I can agree with the results. ''Best PvE: EVE Online (huh?)''

Although, we should not take this Choice Award too seriously. It is only based on fanboi votes.

Originally posted by sven101

EEEEEEEEEEK!! EVE fanboi invasion. I agree that EVE Online is a decent game, but in NO way I can agree with the results. ''Best PvE: EVE Online (huh?)''

Although, we should not take this Choice Award too seriously. It is only based on fanboi votes.

Originally posted by sven101

EEEEEEEEEEK!! EVE fanboi invasion. I agree that EVE Online is a decent game, but in NO way I can agree with the results. ''Best PvE: EVE Online (huh?)''

Although, we should not take this Choice Award too seriously. It is only based on fanboi votes.

Originally posted by Teleboas

Like everyone didn't see those results coming...

Of course, every other game company doesn't really care who MMORPG.com votes for, so how is this suprising?  Eve was the only company I seen where the actual game posted on their website for everyone to come vote.

don't get me wrong, im not a eve fanboi, i have played it for quite some time, but i cast my vote for wow on this "best pve"

What i do know is the fact that EVE is a very solid pvp game, some say the best around.

But what i do know aswell, since i have played eve-online, that there are a LOT, and i mean a REAL LOT who immensly enjoy the pve eve-online brings. its traderoutes, mining, pirate hunting, scouting belts, crafting ships etc etc.

Many people like that, and its safe to say more people playing eve-online are geared towards 0.5 > and will never set a foot in low-sec space.

myself, i would have voted EQ2 if the option was there, but it wasnt ;(

I feel happy as EvE Online won most of the category but for PvE its out of the bedtime story.. I voted for EQ2 and turns out the EvE Online got it! *fainted* i disagree on that result.

Funny how most of the player written reviews say how boring EVE is.

Yet those few die hards keep trying to hack the voting in an effort to prove how awsome they are......again.

Kind of reminds me of the earlier days of SWG, when everyone would sit in a cantina with nothing to do and talk about how awsome the game was and how World of Warcraft will never make it.

Sorry to all the EVE fanbois.  I'm still not going to play your game.

I always find it amusing to those who come on here and knock the results.  If your game didn't win, its because you as the players either don't care about voting or don't care to motivate others to come and vote.  Eve players care about their game and do in the last two years by coming out to vote. 

Eve players came and voted, it simple, don't cry about why your game didn't win.

Originally posted by Lukane77

Funny how most of the player written reviews say how boring EVE is.

Yet those few die hards keep trying to hack the voting in an effort to prove how awsome they are......again.

Kind of reminds me of the earlier days of SWG, when everyone would sit in a cantina with nothing to do and talk about how awsome the game was and how World of Warcraft will never make it.

Sorry to all the EVE fanbois.  I'm still not going to play your game.

What you forget is that you a\mong others like to spam with alt accounts in that section saying eve is boring so dont act suprised in tis.

On the main topic tho i laugh that eve did so well just shows more peoplle came here and voted for eve than for any of the other so called communities.

Results are pretty much as I expected.  Since this was mentioned on the EVE forums of course the fans of EVE came here to vote.  I don't remember seeing anything on any other game websites about "vote at mmorpg.com".  Not to mention the polls themselves were a bit skewed as a game I wanted to vote for wasn't listed at each category.

Anyhoo, grats to EVE I guess. 

Originally posted by Lukane77

Funny how most of the player written reviews say how boring EVE is.

Yet those few die hards keep trying to hack the voting in an effort to prove how awsome they are......again.

Kind of reminds me of the earlier days of SWG, when everyone would sit in a cantina with nothing to do and talk about how awsome the game was and how World of Warcraft will never make it.

Sorry to all the EVE fanbois.  I'm still not going to play your game.

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by Teleboas

Like everyone didn't see those results coming...

Of course, every other game company doesn't really care who MMORPG.com votes for, so how is this suprising?  Eve was the only company I seen where the actual game posted on their website for everyone to come vote.

Sorry, but all most all the others games in this had it on the front page of there website.

Eve Did, Ryzom Did, wow had a large number of postings on the forums (User made)... If you look, most of the games rallied to the cause.

Sorry, but learn what "Almost all" means.  Out of the games you listed, we get :

Eve first.

No one plays Ryzom

WoW second.

Honestly, I think EQ2 should of won best PvE.  Of course though, it had no chance since Sony didn't post it on their homepage.

Like I said, new accounts shouldn't be counted, and an account should have to be active within 30 days.  It should be based on the fanbase that come to MMORPG, not for people to make one time accounts to come and vote.

Originally posted by Triple_Black

I always find it amusing to those who come on here and knock the results.  If your game didn't win, its because you as the players either don't care about voting or don't care to motivate others to come and vote.  Eve players care about their game and do in the last two years by coming out to vote. 

Eve players came and voted, it simple, don't cry about why your game didn't win.

Originally posted by Dark_Shikari

Yet EVE Online has a hundred thousand dedicated players who will come out and vote because they actually think their game is worth playing.

Ehrm, in best graphic category Eve there were in total 4983 votes, Eve received 61% of these, i.e less than 3100 votes.

People who vote for Eve as their favorite graphics game probably votes for Eve in all other categories as well.

This is not a poll containing scientific result, this is a poll where a direct link from a forum containing around 5-6000 players easily turn things around.
Especially if you like that game.

Well I think the 10% criteria should of been removed.  Would be interesting to see how all votes broke down and not just for EVE and WoW.

Plus I've also heard from friends and read that other official forums would remove links to mmorpg.com since they have "buygold.com" ads.  So in a way mmorpg.com shot these Awards in the foot from the start.

EVE Online Wins!!

Why are the kids upset about this?  The counter complaints remind me of elementary school ground debates if Batman can beat up Spiderman that end up with one kid crying 'cs no one else likes Donald Duck; Buggs Bunny for the win!!

PvE in EVE is good.  The problem here is that so much of it is built around PvP that you can play EVE for years and never experiance what most consider the PvE elements in the game.  I've been playing since the "new game experiance" in Star Wars Galaxies (little more then a year) and had just recently, as in less then 2 weeks ago, started running missions in EVE.  I am enjoying the PvE in EVE more then I ever thought possible and am excited about the futore factional warfare that's been delayed to ensure its perfection.

EVE's environment is fused together.  Even when you're taking part in a PvE experiance you're still involved in PvP in some way, and vice versa. 

The COSMOS missions add a nice flare to the storyline while building upon the theme of the game.  Complexes are by far some of the most challenging environments in game.  Minning is painfully boring in my opinion even though thousands of players love it.  More importantly, the players contribute to the environment and provide for an experiance that can be said to be elemental.

PvE in EVE is good.  It's not great.  But it's good. 

Star Wars Galaxies used to have great PvE back in the day when the game had meaning and purpose that rewarded risks and venture.  World of Warcraft seems very stale and static in the same terms of what's become of SWG.  Everquest2 felt so terribly generic when I had played it that I'd rate it lower then WoW if given the option.

EVE rewards those who play games for a community.  Being it's played on a single world gaming server, or "shard", the player recieves the opportunity to fullfil their own goals while being acountable for their actions.  It works beautifuly while bringing the community together, even when they're at each other's throats!

Traveling "great distances" is so easily adverted that traveling is a choice more then a necessity.  Playing a game that puts me on the same level as everyone else, even though I play only a couple hours a session, is a reward to the casual gamer. 

Sure the player who's been around 2 years longer might have more "skill points" then me.  But players are only able to utilize a small portion of their total skill points when there's an element of PvP involved.  This means the arguement of "not being able to catch up" is totally moot. 

Does this mean the game is perfect?  No.  But it's perfect for me and my likes.  :)

EVE Onilne Wins!!

Originally posted by GunnyFisher
first off, from eve forums.
Posted - 2006.12.29 17:21:00 - [50] - Quote

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Keep in mind what this means:

- A game that is 70x our size could not win due to our fanboism and motivation.
- We took them out at their home turf of PvE.
- They were all pretty busy enjoying "quiet time" with their night elves rather than voting

Owned.


second:
to all the alt posters with 1 post who complain about eve rigging the voting....

Well, if EvE thinks that it helps promote their game, they're wrong.

I'll never try EvE.  Why?  Because any game that has to basically beg it's playerbase to come vote for something like this, can't be all that great of a game.

If the game is that good, people will vote for it without being asked to.

And to the MMORPG Staff Writer there.   If you want a fair voting, where people can post on EVERY forum to get votes, remove your damn gold selling ads.

Originally posted by Teleboas

Originally posted by GunnyFisher
first off, from eve forums.
Posted - 2006.12.29 17:21:00 - [50] - Quote

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Keep in mind what this means:

- A game that is 70x our size could not win due to our fanboism and motivation.
- We took them out at their home turf of PvE.
- They were all pretty busy enjoying "quiet time" with their night elves rather than voting

Owned.


second:
to all the alt posters with 1 post who complain about eve rigging the voting....

Well, if EvE thinks that it helps promote their game, they're wrong.

I'll never try EvE.  Why?  Because any game that has to basically beg it's playerbase to come vote for something like this, can't be all that great of a game.

If the game is that good, people will vote for it without being asked to.

 

And to the MMORPG Staff Writer there.   If you want a fair voting, where people can post on EVERY forum to get votes, remove your damn gold selling ads.

Originally posted by Dark_Shikari

Originally posted by Teleboas

Originally posted by GunnyFisher
first off, from eve forums.
Posted - 2006.12.29 17:21:00 - [50] - Quote

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Keep in mind what this means:

- A game that is 70x our size could not win due to our fanboism and motivation.
- We took them out at their home turf of PvE.
- They were all pretty busy enjoying "quiet time" with their night elves rather than voting

Owned.


second:
to all the alt posters with 1 post who complain about eve rigging the voting....

Well, if EvE thinks that it helps promote their game, they're wrong.

I'll never try EvE.  Why?  Because any game that has to basically beg it's playerbase to come vote for something like this, can't be all that great of a game.

If the game is that good, people will vote for it without being asked to.

 

And to the MMORPG Staff Writer there.   If you want a fair voting, where people can post on EVERY forum to get votes, remove your damn gold selling ads.

You know that a player posted the original "vote for EVE" thread, and that a moderator (volunteer, not paid by CCP) stickied it, right?

CCP didn't "beg" anyone.

Its quite clear that you would not even try EVE regardless of whether EVE won these awards or not, so I don't think CCP has to worry about "not promoting their game" to you.  Especially as EVE is the best-selling independantly-developed MMORPG of all time, I don't think you're one to tell them how to promote their games.

Originally posted by Teleboas

Originally posted by Dark_Shikari

Originally posted by Teleboas

Originally posted by GunnyFisher
first off, from eve forums.
Posted - 2006.12.29 17:21:00 - [50] - Quote

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Keep in mind what this means:

- A game that is 70x our size could not win due to our fanboism and motivation.
- We took them out at their home turf of PvE.
- They were all pretty busy enjoying "quiet time" with their night elves rather than voting

Owned.


second:
to all the alt posters with 1 post who complain about eve rigging the voting....

Well, if EvE thinks that it helps promote their game, they're wrong.

I'll never try EvE.  Why?  Because any game that has to basically beg it's playerbase to come vote for something like this, can't be all that great of a game.

If the game is that good, people will vote for it without being asked to.

 

And to the MMORPG Staff Writer there.   If you want a fair voting, where people can post on EVERY forum to get votes, remove your damn gold selling ads.

You know that a player posted the original "vote for EVE" thread, and that a moderator (volunteer, not paid by CCP) stickied it, right?

CCP didn't "beg" anyone.

Its quite clear that you would not even try EVE regardless of whether EVE won these awards or not, so I don't think CCP has to worry about "not promoting their game" to you.  Especially as EVE is the best-selling independantly-developed MMORPG of all time, I don't think you're one to tell them how to promote their games.

But, Eve left it up.  I'm guessing EvE allows farming and gold selling sites.  If not, any game that would post a link to a silly little vote like this, and risk people buying/selling gold at those sites, don't care about their game all that much.

Originally posted by Dark_Shikari

Originally posted by Teleboas

Originally posted by Dark_Shikari

Originally posted by Teleboas

Originally posted by GunnyFisher
first off, from eve forums.
Posted - 2006.12.29 17:21:00 - [50] - Quote

---

Keep in mind what this means:

- A game that is 70x our size could not win due to our fanboism and motivation.
- We took them out at their home turf of PvE.
- They were all pretty busy enjoying "quiet time" with their night elves rather than voting

Owned.


second:
to all the alt posters with 1 post who complain about eve rigging the voting....

Well, if EvE thinks that it helps promote their game, they're wrong.

I'll never try EvE.  Why?  Because any game that has to basically beg it's playerbase to come vote for something like this, can't be all that great of a game.

If the game is that good, people will vote for it without being asked to.

 

And to the MMORPG Staff Writer there.   If you want a fair voting, where people can post on EVERY forum to get votes, remove your damn gold selling ads.

You know that a player posted the original "vote for EVE" thread, and that a moderator (volunteer, not paid by CCP) stickied it, right?

CCP didn't "beg" anyone.

Its quite clear that you would not even try EVE regardless of whether EVE won these awards or not, so I don't think CCP has to worry about "not promoting their game" to you.  Especially as EVE is the best-selling independantly-developed MMORPG of all time, I don't think you're one to tell them how to promote their games.

But, Eve left it up.  I'm guessing EvE allows farming and gold selling sites.  If not, any game that would post a link to a silly little vote like this, and risk people buying/selling gold at those sites, don't care about their game all that much.

Actually, EVE has a very strict policy against those sites.  They've stopped linking to fansites that have gold-selling ads, and linking to a gold-selling site on the forums can get you a perma-ban.  In addition, if you are caught buying or selling, you also get an instant perma-ban to all your accounts.

They stopped linking to fansites that have ads, yet they left up this one that had the voting?

Seems to me EvE has this "strict policy" just to try to make themselves look good.  When it comes down to it, they ignore their own rules to get a little publicity.  Nice.

They stopped linking to fansites that have ads, yet they left up this one that had the voting?

Seems to me EvE has this "strict policy" just to try to make themselves look good.  When it comes down to it, they ignore their own rules to get a little publicity.  Nice.

Originally posted by Dark_Shikari

They stopped linking to fansites that have ads, yet they left up this one that had the voting?

Seems to me EvE has this "strict policy" just to try to make themselves look good.  When it comes down to it, they ignore their own rules to get a little publicity.  Nice.

What do you mean?  I don't see any ISK-selling ads.

If I turn off Flashblock, I see one WoW gold-selling ad.

If MMORPG.com had "BUY CHEAP ISK FROM CHINESE MACRO MINER" ads plastered all over it, CCP would probably not link to it, no.

Nice try.  Just because it has a picture of WOW characters on the banner, doesn't mean it doesn't sell EvE currency.

Clicking on the link clearly shows that they do.  Of course a banner is going to show WoW pics.  It is the MMO with the largest playerbase.

Also, you can't say they have a "strict policy" against it one second, then the next second say that a site has to have plastered all over it "BUY CHEAP ISK NOW!" all over it not to qualify.

Originally posted by tanoril
Maybe the problem with Eve pve is there is no personality to it.  At least when I go on a quest in WoW, I might get the NPC to do some sort of behavior or perhaps there's a script that kicks off when you complete a certain part of a quest.   Does Eve have those kind of dynamic quests?  When I go into an instance in WoW, there's a ton of scripted encounters that can happen.  Does have have this kind of gameplay.  I'm not saying WoW is the end all of PvE but when you're comparing the type of PvE gameplay, I find it hard to believe that Eve PvE is so great (not even to just WoW, but to other games like EQ2).

Originally posted by Teleboas

Originally posted by Dark_Shikari

They stopped linking to fansites that have ads, yet they left up this one that had the voting?

Seems to me EvE has this "strict policy" just to try to make themselves look good.  When it comes down to it, they ignore their own rules to get a little publicity.  Nice.

What do you mean?  I don't see any ISK-selling ads.

If I turn off Flashblock, I see one WoW gold-selling ad.

If MMORPG.com had "BUY CHEAP ISK FROM CHINESE MACRO MINER" ads plastered all over it, CCP would probably not link to it, no.

Nice try.  Just because it has a picture of WOW characters on the banner, doesn't mean it doesn't sell EvE currency.

Clicking on the link clearly shows that they do.  Of course a banner is going to show WoW pics.  It is the MMO with the largest playerbase.

Originally posted by Dark_Shikari

Originally posted by Teleboas

Originally posted by Dark_Shikari

They stopped linking to fansites that have ads, yet they left up this one that had the voting?

Seems to me EvE has this "strict policy" just to try to make themselves look good.  When it comes down to it, they ignore their own rules to get a little publicity.  Nice.

What do you mean?  I don't see any ISK-selling ads.

If I turn off Flashblock, I see one WoW gold-selling ad.

If MMORPG.com had "BUY CHEAP ISK FROM CHINESE MACRO MINER" ads plastered all over it, CCP would probably not link to it, no.

Nice try.  Just because it has a picture of WOW characters on the banner, doesn't mean it doesn't sell EvE currency.

Clicking on the link clearly shows that they do.  Of course a banner is going to show WoW pics.  It is the MMO with the largest playerbase.

The day when an ad with orcs anc clerics "caters to EVE players" is the day I will quit EVE

I don't think anyone except you gives a sh**.

Of course its catering to EvE players.  Everyone knows that those sites sell for every game, not just the one they show on their ad.

And the "I don't think anyone except you gives a sh**." line just proves my point.  EvE won because they allow the posting of sites that link to gold selling sites.  All of the other games don't.

Edit : And no, I don't care if EvE allows gold sellers or not.  The point is, EvE allowed the links to stay up, other games didn't because of the gold selling site links here.  Which is why EvE won, not because they have a more "dedicated fanbase".

expected results from a joke of a poll

Originally posted by DarkeOne
When I first came to this site, almost a year ago, I was surpirsed to see EVE as being the highest rank. EVE isn't a bad game, in fact its a good one. It's learning curve and detail made quite a few folks shy away for the more popular MMOG's.

Now I see another year of voting and EVE wins across the board ? For PvE even? Sorry EVE players, but the poll obvious has been skewed. If it was posted on their forums to come and vote here then hands down it wins the 'Dedicated Community' award.  And for as many people as I see on these boards bash EQ2 and WoW, how can you possibly argue with the success they games have displayed? WoW alone is a monster with a foothold in popular culture next to the original 'Evercrack' and 'The Sims'. Good PR alone doesn't cut it. Where is written that EVE boats more profit and players than the other MMO's mentioned? Some numbers you can debate but an active player base you can't.

Now I don't know if the staff of MMORPG.com  are EVE fanatics, CCP sponsored or the unoffical home of EVE players and SWG NGE haters. What I do know is that ratings are reviews are pretty skewed here and creditability for this site dropped quite a few notches;Not just in my book but a slew of others as well (and they're not 'fanbois'  of non EVE games either). The response to the awards illusrate that.

Note to Staff: You might want to revaluate your metrics before your reputation takes any more hits.

I don't know if you've noticed before, but the staff here doesn't much care about their reputation.  People have complained about things like this until they're blue in the face.  Look how many people complained about the gold selling links.  They're worried about profit, not about how people think of them.

As long as they give away free stuff every month, people will continue to come here.  Hell, that's why 90% of the people hang around at the site.

Originally posted by Teleboas

Originally posted by DarkeOne
When I first came to this site, almost a year ago, I was surpirsed to see EVE as being the highest rank. EVE isn't a bad game, in fact its a good one. It's learning curve and detail made quite a few folks shy away for the more popular MMOG's.

Now I see another year of voting and EVE wins across the board ? For PvE even? Sorry EVE players, but the poll obvious has been skewed. If it was posted on their forums to come and vote here then hands down it wins the 'Dedicated Community' award.  And for as many people as I see on these boards bash EQ2 and WoW, how can you possibly argue with the success they games have displayed? WoW alone is a monster with a foothold in popular culture next to the original 'Evercrack' and 'The Sims'. Good PR alone doesn't cut it. Where is written that EVE boats more profit and players than the other MMO's mentioned? Some numbers you can debate but an active player base you can't.

Now I don't know if the staff of MMORPG.com  are EVE fanatics, CCP sponsored or the unoffical home of EVE players and SWG NGE haters. What I do know is that ratings are reviews are pretty skewed here and creditability for this site dropped quite a few notches;Not just in my book but a slew of others as well (and they're not 'fanbois'  of non EVE games either). The response to the awards illusrate that.

Note to Staff: You might want to revaluate your metrics before your reputation takes any more hits.

I don't know if you've noticed before, but the staff here doesn't much care about their reputation.  People have complained about things like this until they're blue in the face.  Look how many people complained about the gold selling links.  They're worried about profit, not about how people think of them.

As long as they give away free stuff every month, people will continue to come here.  Hell, that's why 90% of the people hang around at the site.

Congrats to CCP and EVE for having the most dedicated fans in gamingdom. It's a great game and, while funny to read, all you people whining about skewed results and bad polls just blame the universe. No matter how you make it, EVE fans are dedicated enough to vote for their game and will win if their game is in the running.

Don't hate the player or the game. Just don't hate!

It's a shame they run polls like this that don't really reflect the actual opinions of the MMORPG community, as a whole. Don't get me wrong, I do think Eve is one of the best online games out there, and has a lot of things going for it (and I would probably even concede it has the best graphics, which it won). However, if I were looking for enjoyment in other categories, I'd pretty much have gone with CoX across the board over Eve. That's not to say that other games might not have beat CoX, for instance, I can see Guild Wars winning for the best story, as the entire game is instanced and moves forward through huge instanced missions.

Anyway, really all I'm sad about is that a poll like this doesn't better represent what is actually out there currently. Still, it's not like people who play MMOGs don't know who the real winners (or at least strong contesters) are, right?

Hehe had to laugh at the results of these awards, perhaps next year they should add in a new catergory for most contrived votes.

What a big bunch of crybabies do i see here.Every pollhas it's ups and downs.And every timeyou'll have people complaining it isn't fair because this or because of that.

I have played a lot of mmorpgsthe latest  years  :Asherons call2, shadowbane, starwars galaxies, city of heroes, world of warcraft,Everquest 2,Planetside and eve online.I can understand that certain people would find another game more appealing for the best pve game or best pvp gameinstead of eve online but to say it has a poor pve part is just rediculous.

Off all the games that i have played eve online for me is the only game in wich the "full package" feels like one.I never had the feeling it lacked any pve or pvp because it all was combined so beautifull that it felt like one and the same thing.Same goes for the eve online forums , the only forums i found that really are a part of the game not just to chat about the game or put your complaints but it really makes the game the fullpackage it is.

Of most here who complain and say bout how unfair this voting has been i say to you it is unfair how you critisize a community/game wich you obviously don't know yourself all too well.And yes from most posters here you can see immediatly that they have never played the game or just did the trial and quit cause it was too hard or not for their liking.

Taste is a personal thing and i can understand that people disagree with certain aspects BUT eve online is a verry good mmorpg and i for one find it a verry fair result that it is chosen as the best overall game , regardless of wich of the aspects it should or should not have won.I have stoppedplaying eve for about 4 months now but i still haven't found any game that satisfies as much as eve, my hopes for next year lie on pirates of the burning sea, but we'll see what that's gonna be like.

Originally posted by Teleboas

Originally posted by DarkeOne
When I first came to this site, almost a year ago, I was surpirsed to see EVE as being the highest rank. EVE isn't a bad game, in fact its a good one. It's learning curve and detail made quite a few folks shy away for the more popular MMOG's.

Now I see another year of voting and EVE wins across the board ? For PvE even? Sorry EVE players, but the poll obvious has been skewed. If it was posted on their forums to come and vote here then hands down it wins the 'Dedicated Community' award.  And for as many people as I see on these boards bash EQ2 and WoW, how can you possibly argue with the success they games have displayed? WoW alone is a monster with a foothold in popular culture next to the original 'Evercrack' and 'The Sims'. Good PR alone doesn't cut it. Where is written that EVE boats more profit and players than the other MMO's mentioned? Some numbers you can debate but an active player base you can't.

Now I don't know if the staff of MMORPG.com  are EVE fanatics, CCP sponsored or the unoffical home of EVE players and SWG NGE haters. What I do know is that ratings are reviews are pretty skewed here and creditability for this site dropped quite a few notches;Not just in my book but a slew of others as well (and they're not 'fanbois'  of non EVE games either). The response to the awards illusrate that.

Note to Staff: You might want to revaluate your metrics before your reputation takes any more hits.

I don't know if you've noticed before, but the staff here doesn't much care about their reputation.  People have complained about things like this until they're blue in the face.  Look how many people complained about the gold selling links.  They're worried about profit, not about how people think of them.

As long as they give away free stuff every month, people will continue to come here.  Hell, that's why 90% of the people hang around at the site.

Originally posted by flakes

What a big bunch of crybabies do i see here.Every pollhas it's ups and downs.And every timeyou'll have people complaining it isn't fair because this or because of that.

I have played a lot of mmorpgsthe latest  years  :Asherons call2, shadowbane, starwars galaxies, city of heroes, world of warcraft,Everquest 2,Planetside and eve online.I can understand that certain people would find another game more appealing for the best pve game or best pvp gameinstead of eve online but to say it has a poor pve part is just rediculous.

Off all the games that i have played eve online for me is the only game in wich the "full package" feels like one.I never had the feeling it lacked any pve or pvp because it all was combined so beautifull that it felt like one and the same thing.Same goes for the eve online forums , the only forums i found that really are a part of the game not just to chat about the game or put your complaints but it really makes the game the fullpackage it is.

Of most here who complain and say bout how unfair this voting has been i say to you it is unfair how you critisize a community/game wich you obviously don't know yourself all too well.And yes from most posters here you can see immediatly that they have never played the game or just did the trial and quit cause it was too hard or not for their liking.

Taste is a personal thing and i can understand that people disagree with certain aspects BUT eve online is a verry good mmorpg and i for one find it a verry fair result that it is chosen as the best overall game , regardless of wich of the aspects it should or should not have won.I have stoppedplaying eve for about 4 months now but i still haven't found any game that satisfies as much as eve, my hopes for next year lie on pirates of the burning sea, but we'll see what that's gonna be like.

The results of the poll are an indicator of the voting demographic. To their credit the folks at Eve are trying to promote their game and mmorpg.com is a venue to do just that.

I'm pretty sure Blizzard is happy with their tv commercials, refferences, parody shows and 7 million subscribers.

Congratulations Eve

Originally posted by DarkeOne

Originally posted by flakes

What a big bunch of crybabies do i see here.Every pollhas it's ups and downs.And every timeyou'll have people complaining it isn't fair because this or because of that.

I have played a lot of mmorpgsthe latest  years  :Asherons call2, shadowbane, starwars galaxies, city of heroes, world of warcraft,Everquest 2,Planetside and eve online.I can understand that certain people would find another game more appealing for the best pve game or best pvp gameinstead of eve online but to say it has a poor pve part is just rediculous.

Off all the games that i have played eve online for me is the only game in wich the "full package" feels like one.I never had the feeling it lacked any pve or pvp because it all was combined so beautifull that it felt like one and the same thing.Same goes for the eve online forums , the only forums i found that really are a part of the game not just to chat about the game or put your complaints but it really makes the game the fullpackage it is.

Of most here who complain and say bout how unfair this voting has been i say to you it is unfair how you critisize a community/game wich you obviously don't know yourself all too well.And yes from most posters here you can see immediatly that they have never played the game or just did the trial and quit cause it was too hard or not for their liking.

Taste is a personal thing and i can understand that people disagree with certain aspects BUT eve online is a verry good mmorpg and i for one find it a verry fair result that it is chosen as the best overall game , regardless of wich of the aspects it should or should not have won.I have stoppedplaying eve for about 4 months now but i still haven't found any game that satisfies as much as eve, my hopes for next year lie on pirates of the burning sea, but we'll see what that's gonna be like.

  I'd think you'll find alot of people here have played/still play EVE. The majority here thinks EVE is a good game. And while the 'fanboi's' get upset that their game wasn't picked, the moderates and fair minded get upset because of the lack of honesty and balance 'on the playing field'.  Everybody has preferences and different taste but everybody is enittled to a fair content/poll/what have you.

And spare us the crybaby comments and the feeble attempts to put yourself above the rest by verbally stepping on people's backs. If you can't respect another's opinon don't be surrpised when someone tells you to take your comment and stick it up your arse

If you would read carefully you would see that what i am trying to say is just that.My comments are meant against the people that smacktalk eve and it's community right down with the obvious reason because it is not the game they would like to see best .Again WHENyou read my post : quote: I for one find it a verry fair result that it is chosen for overall game , regardless of wich aspects it should or should not have won.Asyou can see i clearlyspoke about what i myself thought best and clearlymentioned that i can understand if others have another thought.So don't say i step on people's backs caus i obviously didnt.

First say i step on people's backs then telling me to stick it up the arse.......well go ahead if you wanna lower the "discussion" like that , homey don't play that way...

haha Eve Online winning everything. Though perhaps more surprising than that was Age of Conan coming 4th in the hype category behind Warhammer, Vanguard and Star Trek Online?! I guess EvE fans must have voted for that.

Just shows you the sad state of the industry if the worlds only MMOSS (Massively Multiplayer Online Screensaver) takes home the gold.

EVE isn't a bad game, and I actually enjoyed it for the 5 months I played it...that is until the real time skill system finally took it's toll on me.

Originally posted by Stradden
I'd like to take a second to reply here.

I just wanted to remind everyone that there was a nomination round of voting in which members were able to vote for virtually any game on our list, in any category. The criteria to make it through nominations and onto the final ballot were that the game had to get at least 10% of the nomination vote. As it turned out, in a bunch of categories, it was just WoW and EVE that met the criteria. At that point, we were unable to change the rules (can't change it half way through).

Next year, we will look at re-vamping the system into something different.

I'd like to remind people that it is now obvious that the staff at MMORPG didn't bother to look into all the new accounts being created just for the purpose of voting.

I bet if you started this over, only allowed people that have been a member for more than 1 month, we would see a completly different outcome.  The fact that anyone can just sign up and vote is kinda dumb.  I mean there are people out there who will sit there and make like 100 accounts just because they have nothing better to do.

Sadly, I'm starting to lose faith in the votes and reviews of this site.

Originally posted by Atomicide
I find it odd that people are complainign about the PvE result, which EvE can probably scrape by in. What about the "best storyline"? Whats the fucking sotryline in EvE? its a sandbox MMORPG with a slight background about how some people ended up in space, the rest of it is a player driven trading and PvPfest.

There isn't a storyline to EvE, so it shouldn't have won that at all.

Originally posted by Minsc

Originally posted by Atomicide
I find it odd that people are complainign about the PvE result, which EvE can probably scrape by in. What about the "best storyline"? Whats the fucking sotryline in EvE? its a sandbox MMORPG with a slight background about how some people ended up in space, the rest of it is a player driven trading and PvPfest.

There isn't a storyline to EvE, so it shouldn't have won that at all.

There's more backstory to EVE than there is to WoW or the Warcraft series, and better too. The Real story in the game though is being constantly written by the players in their every day interactions. If you don't think that Alliance politics and intrigue is better storyline than any dev could hope to write them I'm sorry TeeVee has killed your sense of imagination.

I have seen twink clan #1 versus twink clan #2 in Counterstrike, and Command and Conquer.  Yet ot would be a stretch to call two clans saying "I am more ub0r" any sort of story for mature people.

That's all this "alliance politics" and "player written story" is all about in EVE, and if that's the best story there, then I'd have to say Counterstrike has a better background story.

...At least you can outfit your clan with custom skins there.

Totaly non significant result.

We were warned about this vote on official forum of Eq2 very lately to vote for graphics. We never heard officialy about  other categories for vote... so no chance to vote about pve or other things.

Now when I read that eve online won on best graphics against Eq2 I found this totally unrealistic.

Eq2 has the best graphics of all mmorpg I have tried. Eve online graphics are only stars, and stars and stars and some nebula... it is uncomparable with the huge amount of detail each single object of eq2 bring inside its textures.

(sorry if my english seems a little bit strange, english is not my native language)

Originally posted by Minsc

Originally posted by Atomicide
I find it odd that people are complainign about the PvE result, which EvE can probably scrape by in. What about the "best storyline"? Whats the fucking sotryline in EvE? its a sandbox MMORPG with a slight background about how some people ended up in space, the rest of it is a player driven trading and PvPfest.

There isn't a storyline to EvE, so it shouldn't have won that at all.

There's more backstory to EVE than there is to WoW or the Warcraft series, and better too. The Real story in the game though is being constantly written by the players in their every day interactions. If you don't think that Alliance politics and intrigue is better storyline than any dev could hope to write them I'm sorry TeeVee has killed your sense of imagination.

Originally posted by Atomicide
I find it odd that people are complainign about the PvE result, which EvE can probably scrape by in. What about the "best storyline"? Whats the fucking sotryline in EvE? its a sandbox MMORPG with a slight background about how some people ended up in space, the rest of it is a player driven trading and PvPfest.

There isn't a storyline to EvE, so it shouldn't have won that at all.

Quoted from mmorpg.com readers choice award about the Story section:
"In this category, players were asked to consider the game’s live events, role-playing support, quests, the community itself and anything else that makes you feel like you're a citizen of more than just a video game, but a world."

Maybe hard for you to imagine, but EVE has a very rich storyline. Unlinke in most other mmorpgs, it is mainly created by the players themselves. You can write a book about most regions in EVE, that is how rich the story and history is - without taking into concideration any stories made by the gaming company CCP.

The player created history and realities in EVE is what gives this game depth. As a long time mmorpg gamer I agree with someone who said on the mmorpg.com forums that eve is the only "game" in existance that has managed to create an actual virtual society.

No other game comes even remotly close to the player created depth of the EVE universe. EVE plays in its own league in this category, there is no competition.

Until you have played EVE for sometime, and talked to some veteran citizens of this vast universe that is EVE, and maybe even had the chance of taking part in history creation in EVE,  you will not be able to comprehend this. It is unique.

Originally posted by Hinter

Originally posted by Atomicide
I find it odd that people are complainign about the PvE result, which EvE can probably scrape by in. What about the "best storyline"? Whats the fucking sotryline in EvE? its a sandbox MMORPG with a slight background about how some people ended up in space, the rest of it is a player driven trading and PvPfest.

There isn't a storyline to EvE, so it shouldn't have won that at all.

Quoted from mmorpg.com readers choice award about the Story section:
"In this category, players were asked to consider the game’s live events, role-playing support, quests, the community itself and anything else that makes you feel like you're a citizen of more than just a video game, but a world."

Maybe hard for you to imagine, but EVE has a very rich storyline. Unlinke in most other mmorpgs, it is mainly created by the players themselves. You can write a book about most regions in EVE, that is how rich the story and history is - without taking into concideration any stories made by the gaming company CCP.

The player created history and realities in EVE is what gives this game depth. As a long time mmorpg gamer I agree with someone who said on the mmorpg.com forums that eve is the only "game" in existance that has managed to create an actual virtual society.

No other game comes even remotly close to the player created depth of the EVE universe. EVE plays in its own league in this category, there is no competition.

Until you have played EVE for sometime, and talked to some veteran citizens of this vast universe that is EVE, and maybe even had the chance of taking part in history creation in EVE,  you will not be able to comprehend this.

Actually, Planetside has about as much player and regional history as EVE does.  All it is is about who is in charge where, and at what time.  Nothing particularly interesting.  In fact, the best roleplayers are actually the ones who are the lest powerful players.

EVE history is far, far shorter than book length.  Maybe a good "list length."  And if they want to make mountains out of the molehill of, "our clan is so ub0rz and we pwned you, go back to WoW," then at least Counterstrike and Planetside are F2P.

You can say that one cannot "comprehend" what EVE history is, or is not, unless they have taken part in it, or have spent some considerable time there.  Yet, I don't see you giving out $20 of non-refundable startup fees, and $15 a month non-refundable, in order to actually see for ourselves.  You'll say anything to hype this game.

Readers' Choice awards are almost always frivolous. They completely depend on the readers (obviously) and the readers are part of their own community. Communities tend to reinforce themselves.

In the more than a year I've been a member of MMORPG.com, I've always known this site's community to be primarily an Eve one. I even tried the game purely based on the community's recommendation here. The game wasn't for me so /shrug, I learned a bit. Now I care little about rankings or awards, especially here.

Many new visitors to the site probably see the community's Eve bias and don't bother coming back, unless they're Eve enthusiasts and then, well, there's the community reinforcement.

I keep visiting because MMORPG.com keeps on posting news and articles about /all/ games, even the highly unsuccessful ones. I ignore most ratings and read what people actually like about the games. If they're the same sorts of things I'd like in a game, I try it.

Unless you're completely bored and have no idea what kind of games you like, don't base your game playing time on any readers' choice award. Besides, you'll get a completely different answer depending on the publication/site you're reading.

Originally posted by flakes

Originally posted by DarkeOne

Originally posted by flakes

What a big bunch of crybabies do i see here.Every pollhas it's ups and downs.And every timeyou'll have people complaining it isn't fair because this or because of that.

I

If you would read carefully you would see that what i am trying to say is just that.My comments are meant against the people that smacktalk eve and it's community right down with the obvious reason because it is not the game they would like to see best .Again WHENyou read my post : quote: I for one find it a verry fair result that it is chosen for overall game , regardless of wich aspects it should or should not have won.Asyou can see i clearlyspoke about what i myself thought best and clearlymentioned that i can understand if others have another thought.So don't say i step on people's backs caus i obviously didnt.

First say i step on people's backs then telling me to stick it up the arse.......well go ahead if you wanna lower the "discussion" like that , homey don't play that way...

Originally posted by Beatnik59

Originally posted by Minsc

Originally posted by Atomicide
I find it odd that people are complainign about the PvE result, which EvE can probably scrape by in. What about the "best storyline"? Whats the fucking sotryline in EvE? its a sandbox MMORPG with a slight background about how some people ended up in space, the rest of it is a player driven trading and PvPfest.

There isn't a storyline to EvE, so it shouldn't have won that at all.

There's more backstory to EVE than there is to WoW or the Warcraft series, and better too. The Real story in the game though is being constantly written by the players in their every day interactions. If you don't think that Alliance politics and intrigue is better storyline than any dev could hope to write them I'm sorry TeeVee has killed your sense of imagination.

I have seen twink clan #1 versus twink clan #2 in Counterstrike, and Command and Conquer.  Yet ot would be a stretch to call two clans saying "I am more ub0r" any sort of story for mature people.

That's all this "alliance politics" and "player written story" is all about in EVE, and if that's the best story there, then I'd have to say Counterstrike has a better background story.

...At least you can outfit your clan with custom skins there.

Oh please, that's one of the weakest arguments you've ever made, and most of them are weak to begin with. It has nothing to do with smacktalking on forums, it has to do with their interactions effect on the game world as a whole. When two counterstrike clans duke it out does it effect every single other player who plays the game? How about C&C? Thought not.

The fact that all you think that goes on in alliance politics is smack talk speaks to the fact that you're either a high-sec hugging mission whore, or you don't play the game. Other than the fact that CCP apparently 'ran over your dog/kicked your cat/molested your hamster' and you're now on a crusade to spread the word that CCP is the dark lord or something.

Your replies are usually enough to register and eye roll but this one rated an eye role and a chuckle so I thought I'd respond.

Originally posted by Beatnik59

Actually, Planetside has about as much player and regional history as EVE does.  All it is is about who is in charge where, and at what time.  Nothing particularly interesting.  In fact, the best roleplayers are actually the ones who are the lest powerful players.

EVE history is far, far shorter than book length.  Maybe a good "list length."  And if they want to make mountains out of the molehill of, "our clan is so ub0rz and we pwned you, go back to WoW," then at least Counterstrike and Planetside are F2P.

You can say that one cannot "comprehend" what EVE history is, or is not, unless they have taken part in it, or have spent some considerable time there.  Yet, I don't see you giving out $20 of non-refundable startup fees, and $15 a month non-refundable, in order to actually see for ourselves.  You'll say anything to hype this game.

Let me reply to the three points you have made:

1) - Saying the best roleplayers are the least powerful players shows you have not understood the concept of depth and story that I mentioned. In a virtual society you do not have to roleplay to make stories, be a part of history, and add depth.
Your being there and all your actions influence the whole. You cant escape from being part of the story in EVE once you log in, even though at first you might not realize this.

2) - EVE history is not just good "list length". It could fill a massive book or more. Please correct me if I am wrong, but your impression of - "my clan pawns your clan" only attitude in eve - is based from browsing the eve-online forums? The alliance section of the eve-online forums if flooded with propaganda from warring alliances, do not believe too much you read there.
There is a well written and entertaining thread here, that can give you a glimpse of what I am taking about. (INNOMINATE NIGHTMARE tells this "true" story, so you only need to read his posts for the story, even though some of the replies are funny as well)

3) As far as I know you can try out eve for 14 days on a trial account for free. I am not saying you should, but you could. If you do try out eve, be sure to join a corp (stands for guild in eve terminology), otherwise you might feel lost or overwhelmed or both. A good corp will help you get an understanding of the game much faster then you could get alone.

And lastly, I would like to add I like a lot of games, not just eve. Just felt it neccessary to correct the uninformed posts of lack of stories or storyline in EVE, because these posts are just plainly completely wrong. If you check my sign up date to mmorpg. com and the amount of posts I have made you might see that I do not post much here ususally, only when I realy feel something needs to be said. And uninformed posts from people who obviously have no idea of what eve is, like the one from Atomicide I replied to, need to stand corrected.

Hhahahahahahhahaha

There has never been a more perfect example of why anyone who visits this site should take everything written here with a pound of salt, than this "awards" "vote".

I was suprised though that there wasnt a catagory for the MMO that cured the most cancer patients. Im sure if there had been, EVE would have won that also.

Hhahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahah.

 HAHAHA

What a stupid set of results.

EVE the best game of 2006 - hahahaha

EVE is a suck-fest, it is the biggest pile of doo ever created.

Hahaha, so the EVE fanbois have their day - lol this is so very funny.....

What a sad day for MMORPG.COM when EVE wins all these silly awards. 

Maybe next year MMORPG will give us more entries to vote for, some of the choices this year were stupid.

We need a "none of the above" for each category, that would have been the winner this year.

Well done suck-fest boring EVE.

Originally posted by headcache

Readers' Choice awards are almost always frivolous. They completely depend on the readers (obviously) and the readers are part of their own community. Communities tend to reinforce themselves.

In the more than a year I've been a member of MMORPG.com, I've always known this site's community to be primarily an Eve one. I even tried the game purely based on the community's recommendation here. The game wasn't for me so /shrug, I learned a bit. Now I care little about rankings or awards, especially here.

Many new visitors to the site probably see the community's Eve bias and don't bother coming back, unless they're Eve enthusiasts and then, well, there's the community reinforcement.

I keep visiting because MMORPG.com keeps on posting news and articles about /all/ games, even the highly unsuccessful ones. I ignore most ratings and read what people actually like about the games. If they're the same sorts of things I'd like in a game, I try it.

Unless you're completely bored and have no idea what kind of games you like, don't base your game playing time on any readers' choice award. Besides, you'll get a completely different answer depending on the publication/site you're reading.

Let me see if I understand you.  You didn't like a game that the gaming community selected and because you didn't like it that tells you the entire readers choice awards is fake, rigged, or somehow enough people got together to form a "community" and cause Eve to win?

Posts like this leave me speechless.  My only advice to you is simply, get over yourself already.

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Awesome job Eve Online!  While every game isn't for every person the results clearly show that you've created a winner.  In almost every catagory Eve Online SMOKED what it was up against and I agree with the results.  Well done!

Shoot, forgot to vote in the 'None of the Above' category for Favorite New Game.

When will we get to see the Worst of 2006 results?

Anyone whos votes against my views is a fanboi or an idiot or just plain wrong.

Thats the attitude of most people on this site. YOU VOTED AND YOU LOST. I dont play EVE. Or WoW. But i would have voted for EVE because I THINK ITS BETTER. Live with it. Most people who love WoW dont bother to even come to asite like this.

ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY. lol watever

If you havent figured out that all gaming companies are trying to get you to play their game, then wtf are you doing here? Instead of the other way around. Like it should be.

This site is a way for us to voice our opinions to get developers to change the shit they churn out. Either that or we will realise that what we want from an MMO isnt possible and go back to multiplayer games.

Period.

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Originally posted by Valorus

Let me see if I understand you. You didn't like a game that the gaming community selected and because you didn't like it that tells you the entire readers choice awards is fake, rigged, or somehow enough people got together to form a "community" and cause Eve to win?
Posts like this leave me speechless. My only advice to you is simply, get over yourself already.
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Awesome job Eve Online! While every game isn't for every person the results clearly show that you've created a winner. In almost every catagory Eve Online SMOKED what it was up against and I agree with the results. Well done!

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I don't think you understood me then. Over a year of following this site tells me that this site leans heavily towards Eve. I don't think anything was rigged, I simply thought the outcome was obvious and that complaining about an Eve-heavy site voting Eve tops is plain silly. I would have been quite surprised had the vote not turned out the way it did. Eve is obviously a great game for a lot of folks. The "best" game overall is simply an opinion, unless you rate them according to measurable attributes, such as subscribers.

Edit: I broke the quoting the first time around.

Originally posted by Atomicide
I find it odd that people are complainign about the PvE result, which EvE can probably scrape by in. What about the "best storyline"? Whats the fucking sotryline in EvE? its a sandbox MMORPG with a slight background about how some people ended up in space, the rest of it is a player driven trading and PvPfest.

There isn't a storyline to EvE, so it shouldn't have won that at all.

Hehe, like many said, EvE for PvE?  ROFL.

Best PvE hunters have to earn it by doing PvE, safe from PvP, which is NOT the case in EvE that reward PvP above PvE, thereby it should not even have been allowed into the PvE category.

Let's me reformulate in a way EvE folks will understand:  Which sheep was the best?  The wolf!!!  WTF go away!    Maybe someone should have been allowed to vote only in PvE OR in PvP, haha, I dunno, but asking the Nazis to told us who are the best Jews...that is kinda screwed.

This site has always been a strong PvP ground, but like some folks said, EvE actually advertises to get these votes twisted into their favor, while nobody else did, this render the result completely useless.  EvE is a good game in SOME aspects, not PvE (it has some PvE, like EQ has some soloing, only Brad would try to tell you that EQ is ideal for soloers)!  It would be like awarding the best soloing award to EQ!  Nonsense!

SUGGESTION FOR NEXT YEAR:  MMORPG.com staff should draw, at random, some users, and ask these.  I dunno, you draw 1k names, send 1k emails, they have 1 week to answer, and after that the results.  Drawing the names could be done anyway the staff like, from all users, from all users which X login in the last month...etc.  Ideally, it should be random, could check survey ways to find a good way to get a fair random selection, without warning the users ideally.  The drawing can be done during any month, like in April if you want...nothing prevent you to ask the question 6 months later...

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Originally posted by DemonOvrlord
Shoot, forgot to vote in the 'None of the Above' category for Favorite New Game.
When will we get to see the Worst of 2006 results?

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SWG "won" most categories there.

Originally posted by rdrpappy

The results of the poll are an indicator of the voting demographic. To their credit the folks at Eve are trying to promote their game and mmorpg.com is a venue to do just that.

I'm pretty sure Blizzard is happy with their tv commercials, refferences, parody shows and 7 million subscribers.

Congratulations Eve

Originally posted by Mcgreag

"Memories are meant to fade. They're designed that way for a reason."

Originally posted by Atomicide
I find it odd that people are complainign about the PvE result, which EvE can probably scrape by in. What about the "best storyline"? Whats the fucking sotryline in EvE? its a sandbox MMORPG with a slight background about how some people ended up in space, the rest of it is a player driven trading and PvPfest.

There isn't a storyline to EvE, so it shouldn't have won that at all.

You don't need a supercomputer server cluster and 5000 instances to create "your own story."  We always had that option.  In fact, your story can become alive if you have emotes, visual customization options to suit your mood, maybe even a few environments to actually make the story work in a cinematic sort of way.  You don't have any of that in EVE, at least not yet.

So its not like EVE is doing anything special with regard to "creating your own story," and "defining your role."  You have that anywhere.  You pick your own skill combos in CoH/CoV, plus you have so many different visual tools to create your persona.  You battle over resources and territory in Planetside, and create your own guild marker, and guild history there too.  Plus, Planetside is free to play for far longer than 2 weeks, and it isn't "realtime" skill training like EVE, designed to get more money out of you.  It relies on player skill.

Nor do you have a "perfect 10" in performance/lag like the MMORPG.com official review said.  The bottom line is though, there are good things to say about EVE, the problem is that you'll be paying an awful lot of money into it before you'll really understand what many of these supporters of EVE understand, and chances are, you may not even get to experience the joy they have at all.

So be careful with EVE.  It is not as bad as many (even I) say it is.  However, it is definately not as good as some, perhaps many here, make it out to be.  So rather than take the advice that costs you money, just take the advice that costs you nothing...

The free trial is designed to get you to pay $20 more to open a pay account.  What it is not designed to do is give you an accurate reflection of the game.

I remember last year a lot of people also complained bout sort of the same things.Maybe it's just better to not do it any more these readers choises i geuss.They did it differently this year to a year back IF i am correct.Like i said in a post before you'll allways have people complaining.If eve wouldn't have won that much probably a lot of eve players would complain caus they felt that they'd been wronged.Maybe they'd just better do a summary of the mmorpg-year and a spot open for people to give a reaction like they do with a lot of reviews/newsitems.

OH and darkone...first of when i write something i expect it to be fully readed and not just partially..secondly keep in mind that unlike you some people don't come from the US and that this is not their native language , so things can be putten in wrong order/meaning at times.Thank you

Originally posted by Beatnik59

You don't need a supercomputer server cluster and 5000 instances to create "your own story."  We always had that option.  In fact, your story can become alive if you have emotes, visual customization options to suit your mood, maybe even a few environments to actually make the story work in a cinematic sort of way.  You don't have any of that in EVE, at least not yet.

So its not like EVE is doing anything special with regard to "creating your own story," and "defining your role."  You have that anywhere.  You pick your own skill combos in CoH/CoV, plus you have so many different visual tools to create your persona.  You battle over resources and territory in Planetside, and create your own guild marker, and guild history there too.  Plus, Planetside is free to play for far longer than 2 weeks, and it isn't "realtime" skill training like EVE, designed to get more money out of you.  It relies on player skill.

Nor do you have a "perfect 10" in performance/lag like the MMORPG.com official review said.  The bottom line is though, there are good things to say about EVE, the problem is that you'll be paying an awful lot of money into it before you'll really understand what many of these supporters of EVE understand, and chances are, you may not even get to experience the joy they have at all.

So be careful with EVE.  It is not as bad as many (even I) say it is.  However, it is definately not as good as some, perhaps many here, make it out to be.  So rather than take the advice that costs you money, just take the advice that costs you nothing...

The free trial is designed to get you to pay $20 more to open a pay account.  What it is not designed to do is give you an accurate reflection of the game.

WoW an accurate account of eve from you how shocking  Congrats BTW to eve.

Oh and eve doesant consist of 5000 instanced zones as there is no instancing in eve.

Originally posted by LordSlater

WoW an accurate account of eve from you how shocking  Congrats BTW to eve.

 

Oh and eve doesant consist of 5000 instanced zones as there is no instancing in eve.

Originally posted by LordSlater

Originally posted by Beatnik59

You don't need a supercomputer server cluster and 5000 instances to create "your own story."  We always had that option.  In fact, your story can become alive if you have emotes, visual customization options to suit your mood, maybe even a few environments to actually make the story work in a cinematic sort of way.  You don't have any of that in EVE, at least not yet.

So its not like EVE is doing anything special with regard to "creating your own story," and "defining your role."  You have that anywhere.  You pick your own skill combos in CoH/CoV, plus you have so many different visual tools to create your persona.  You battle over resources and territory in Planetside, and create your own guild marker, and guild history there too.  Plus, Planetside is free to play for far longer than 2 weeks, and it isn't "realtime" skill training like EVE, designed to get more money out of you.  It relies on player skill.

Nor do you have a "perfect 10" in performance/lag like the MMORPG.com official review said.  The bottom line is though, there are good things to say about EVE, the problem is that you'll be paying an awful lot of money into it before you'll really understand what many of these supporters of EVE understand, and chances are, you may not even get to experience the joy they have at all.

So be careful with EVE.  It is not as bad as many (even I) say it is.  However, it is definately not as good as some, perhaps many here, make it out to be.  So rather than take the advice that costs you money, just take the advice that costs you nothing...

The free trial is designed to get you to pay $20 more to open a pay account.  What it is not designed to do is give you an accurate reflection of the game.

WoW an accurate account of eve from you how shocking  Congrats BTW to eve.

 

Oh and eve doesant consist of 5000 instanced zones as there is no instancing in eve.

 

 

Instances are ebil.

Originally posted by Beatnik59

You don't need a supercomputer server cluster and 5000 instances to create "your own story." 

That is right on. With instances there can not be a history written by what you do. Instances are one of the major flaws in the storyline of most other mmorpgs. The next major flaw is multiple servers for one game. If there is no instances and everything happens on one server and in one community, then you have met the minimal requirements for an environment in wich history can develop.

To make it a diverse and interesting history, you then also need to give the community the means and tools to shape that universe.

And to add significance to that history there must be a possibility for real gains and losses. Major ones. This way real legends and myths are born.

The universe of  EVE has all of these.

By the way, you do not need a space setting. This principle will work in other settings as well.

Also note I do not use the word "story", but the word "history". A story is made up, history is based on events that realy happened.

Oh i almost forgot to mentiont hat at the end of this year we are getting Avitars as in your charecter gets out of his gooey pod and can walk around and interact in the various stations. There will be Emotes\Clothes shops\ Arenas\Shops etc also the devs ahve stated if we want something in this aprt of eve just say so in the Featueres and ideas section of the forums if it can be done and is popular then it will be.

Aslo space wise enviromwents are getting added such as various nebula types that span 10's of thousands of Kilometres.

We are also getting system wide asteroid belts that are so big you need scanner brobes just to navigate through them.

So yea EvE is improving and i do agree EvE does lack in certain areas but that seems to graduly be changing.

One confirmed feature im loking foward to tho is palnetry battles A.K.A planetside like. Ill bring along my Battlecruiser to help out in those

Originally posted by Beatnik59

You don't need a supercomputer server cluster and 5000 instances to create "your own story."  We always had that option.  In fact, your story can become alive if you have emotes, visual customization options to suit your mood, maybe even a few environments to actually make the story work in a cinematic sort of way.  You don't have any of that in EVE, at least not yet.

So its not like EVE is doing anything special with regard to "creating your own story," and "defining your role."  You have that anywhere.  You pick your own skill combos in CoH/CoV, plus you have so many different visual tools to create your persona.  You battle over resources and territory in Planetside, and create your own guild marker, and guild history there too.  Plus, Planetside is free to play for far longer than 2 weeks, and it isn't "realtime" skill training like EVE, designed to get more money out of you.  It relies on player skill.

Nor do you have a "perfect 10" in performance/lag like the MMORPG.com official review said.  The bottom line is though, there are good things to say about EVE, the problem is that you'll be paying an awful lot of money into it before you'll really understand what many of these supporters of EVE understand, and chances are, you may not even get to experience the joy they have at all.

So be careful with EVE.  It is not as bad as many (even I) say it is.  However, it is definately not as good as some, perhaps many here, make it out to be.  So rather than take the advice that costs you money, just take the advice that costs you nothing...

The free trial is designed to get you to pay $20 more to open a pay account.  What it is not designed to do is give you an accurate reflection of the game.

Originally posted by Hinter

 

Originally posted by Beatnik59

You don't need a supercomputer server cluster and 5000 instances to create "your own story." 

That is right on. With instances there can not be a story or a history written by what you do. Instances are one of the major flaws in the storyline of most other mmorpgs. The next major flaw is multiple servers for one game. If there is no instances and everything happens on one server and in one community, then you have met the minimal requirements for an environment in wich history can develop.

To make it a diverse and interesting history, you then also need to give the community the means and tools to shape that universe.

And to add significance to that history there must be a possibility for real gains and losses. Major ones. This way real legends and myths are born.

The universe of  EVE has all of these.

By the way, you do not need a space setting. This principle will work in other settings as well.

Also note I do not use the word "story", but the word "history". A story is made up, history is based on events that realy happened.

It could be argued that history of eve is also the story of eve.

On an interesting sidenote tho the devs plan to start a History of eve thingy. As in they intend to document the happenings between the empre corps and alliances of eve and create a history document.

Originally posted by LordSlater

It could be argues that history of eve is also the story of eve.

Originally posted by Beatnik59

You don't need a supercomputer server cluster and 5000 instances to create "your own story."  We always had that option.  In fact, your story can become alive if you have emotes, visual customization options to suit your mood, maybe even a few environments to actually make the story work in a cinematic sort of way.  You don't have any of that in EVE, at least not yet.

So its not like EVE is doing anything special with regard to "creating your own story," and "defining your role."  You have that anywhere.  You pick your own skill combos in CoH/CoV, plus you have so many different visual tools to create your persona.  You battle over resources and territory in Planetside, and create your own guild marker, and guild history there too.  Plus, Planetside is free to play for far longer than 2 weeks, and it isn't "realtime" skill training like EVE, designed to get more money out of you.  It relies on player skill.

Nor do you have a "perfect 10" in performance/lag like the MMORPG.com official review said.  The bottom line is though, there are good things to say about EVE, the problem is that you'll be paying an awful lot of money into it before you'll really understand what many of these supporters of EVE understand, and chances are, you may not even get to experience the joy they have at all.

So be careful with EVE.  It is not as bad as many (even I) say it is.  However, it is definately not as good as some, perhaps many here, make it out to be.  So rather than take the advice that costs you money, just take the advice that costs you nothing...

The free trial is designed to get you to pay $20 more to open a pay account.  What it is not designed to do is give you an accurate reflection of the game.

Originally posted by tehsainte

i won't disagree with you (atleast not completly) ...

as allready stated - EVE has NO instances in the normal sense (yes - you have missions that are difficult to enter for those who don't run the mission ... but it's not impossible to interfere)

and i know the story "telling" in EVE is different to your concept of story telling. i don't have a problem with it ,that EVE lacks a /dance emote, i don't have a problem that it lacks the visual bling bling and that the stories i experience don't have a cinematic quality WHILE i experience it. most of the stories are only spread through written word of after-action reports and through talking with others.

do i think that EVE is unique in the aspect of immersion? dunno, it's my first MMO (and probably my last one too) - i can't comment other MMOs in regards to imersion and story (and as you likely see - i didn't make ANY comment about other MMOs in my post). but as i allready said - to say that EVE has no story is plain wrong - that was my point. and i also have to add - if EVE was sharded like other MMOs it would suck for me - the "one world, one history" is really appealing to me (and i think to others also) - add the persistent world concept and the numbers of players simultanously on the server  - you should realize that it's a big living universe .. in this aspect EVE is closer to "second life" than other games (though it still has the classic game approach)

though on one point i can wholeheartly agree with you - EVE is NOT a game for everyone. no game is - but it seems EVE is quite outstanding (or controversary) in this aspect (non-consensual PvP everywhere - only some places where NPCs & gamemechanics interfere AFTER it started, a really complex economy, a quite severe deathpenalty  - if you lose a ship, it's lost (lucky us players no permadeath though)) it's the same with music - some prefer easy listening MTV sounds, other prefer metal, the next prefer techno and others prefer experimental music. some kind of musics are listened by more people than others, but numbers don't say anything about "quality" (funny thing is "quality" is absolute subjective - everyone has other criterias)

and if your main concern is that people have to pay money for things they don't want to ... i think we're all old enough to realize that we don't have to play (and pay) a game if we don't like it (no matter if our perception of the game reflects (or not)  the reality of the game)

See, there you all go again making EVE out to be something its not.  Its alright to like the game, but you are deliberately making EVE out to be something other than it is.  You may not like my posts, or think they are fair.  One thing for certain though is you'll never see Beatnik59 ask you to shell out money based on hype that's too good to be true.

There is nothing "unique" about how players "shape the story."  At one time, you actually had server wide events, etc.  You don't see that so much anymore, and storylines that have been around for a year have never been touched by CCP.  These days, its the same old twink versus twink ePeen contest you have seen in later pre-CU SWG, you see in WoW, and every other game where player clans compete against eachother for uberness.  Not only that, but its stale.  A lot really doesn't change from day to day.  For months, nothing really changed all that much map wise, and still, the changes amount to so little, all things considered.

Also, the notion that you get more "free" content from EVE is a myth as well.  You get paid expansions in games like EQ2, CoH, and WoW, but what you don't often hear about is how much free content you get, and keep on getting, long after you subscribe.  I don't have any paid expansions for EQ2, but they gave me over 200 new quests, new writs, new areas, and new features, and I was able to see it for myself without paying SOE one thin dime this year.  Unlike CCP, SOE, NCSoft, and others will give people who bought the box "free time" to play awhile on their dime.

Meanwhile, after paying since January, on two accounts, all I got was one third of the expansion they promised in spring, a few new ship designs, a ton of bugs and lag, and some asian character models.  So really, all things considered, you really don't get much more value,when you actually stop,cut through the hype, and really see what you get.  You pay just as much, if not more, with EVE than you do in other MMOs.  The reason being, you really have to spend a lot of money to really understand if "EVE is for you," and if if it isn't for you, nobody is going to give that money back.  All you'll get are these fanbois like LordSlater, Snakey, and Minsc tell you how stupid you are, how you aren't playing the "right way (its funny how EVE ceases to become a sandbox where there is "no right way to play," after you pay your $20 fee)," and to quit whining.

Before you check out EVE, take a look at the general discussion forum on the EVE website to see what the EVE players have to say about this "award winning" game.  Read it carefully, and take your time to read a lot of the longer threads, before you decide whether or not you want to give EVE your entertainment dollars.  You'll get quite a shock, as the real players like you and I have serious issues you'll never hear about on MMORPG.com with the fanbois.  If you want to see all this great "player generated stories," check out the corporation and alliance discussion boards, and get a taste of how deep and thoughtful this community is.

I am guessing by all the posts that mmorpg needs to rework there polling.  I have 1 friend that plays EVE  I have a hundred people I know playing wow.  I know 120 beta'ing LOTRO and about 15 betaing Vanguard. 

In my opinion the best game out at the moment is probably wow for sheer numbers.  Not the best game but best in numbers. 

I can't wait till LOTRO hits the stage  and then Warhammer Online.  We will see some clear cut winners. 

I almost think MMORPG gets paid to let EVE win. 

I tried EVE and thought it was horrible.  Hard to learn, poor interface, stunning graphics....I don't think so.

Well I didn't check every post here but I think the awards should be thrown out.  You need to have all MMORPGS listed to give a fair sampling not just three or four.

Originally posted by Teleboas

Like everyone didn't see those results coming...

Of course, every other game company doesn't really care who MMORPG.com votes for, so how is this suprising?  Eve was the only company I seen where the actual game posted on their website for everyone to come vote.

I don't see who would take this seriously anyways.

Why not make it next year where new accounts don't count towards the votes, and that an account had to be active within atleast the last 30 days to vote.  Honestly though, I'm sure you enjoy the tons of throw away accounts that are created.  Just makes your site look like it gets more hits. 

Like everyone else AFCOURCE did we see this comm'n else we would have been blind as we all saw the earlers rounds where everyone had a change to vote for their favorite games and everyone could vote on every single mmorpg out there, just sad for some to see that WoW and EVE have a larger players base then most other games do .It is also terribly sad to read people saying why there only where 3 games to vote on...WAKE UP and visit the site a little more then once a month!!! EVERY MMORPG was there to cast your vote on!!

Why is it that hard for little kids to understand votings??

I really wonder who those sad people are that are blaming the mmorpg staff instead of they should be blaming their selfs because they where to lazy or stupid to cast their votes on their favo games and let other people cast their vote on games you don't like.

Welcome to democratie !!!

Originally posted by darthvadergr
I can't inderstand one think. Why all WoW players think this vote is unfair? Despite WoW has many more players than Eve, Eve finally won. You know why? Because WoW players don't care too much for their game, and unless you stop for a while and vote, WoW will never get on the top. WoW should have 6 mil votes on it, but Eve won. I've played WoW's trial and i think is a good game indeed. Instead of complaining, try out Eve. Then you should vote. I'm an Eve player and i think Eve diserved these awards.

CCP didn't lobby for votes. They did post a link on the web site. But that was the extent of it.

Could it be that Eve players are the ones that actually bothered to show up and vote? 

Some of the games with much larger player bases could have easily walked away with awards had their players actually cared.

Originally posted by DarkeOne
When I first came to this site, almost a year ago, I was surpirsed to see EVE as being the highest rank. EVE isn't a bad game, in fact its a good one. It's learning curve and detail made quite a few folks shy away for the more popular MMOG's.

Now I see another year of voting and EVE wins across the board ? For PvE even? Sorry EVE players, but the poll obvious has been skewed. If it was posted on their forums to come and vote here then hands down it wins the 'Dedicated Community' award.  And for as many people as I see on these boards bash EQ2 and WoW, how can you possibly argue with the success they games have displayed? WoW alone is a monster with a foothold in popular culture next to the original 'Evercrack' and 'The Sims'. Good PR alone doesn't cut it. Where is written that EVE boats more profit and players than the other MMO's mentioned? Some numbers you can debate but an active player base you can't.

Now I don't know if the staff of MMORPG.com  are EVE fanatics, CCP sponsored or the unoffical home of EVE players and SWG NGE haters. What I do know is that ratings are reviews are pretty skewed here and creditability for this site dropped quite a few notches;Not just in my book but a slew of others as well (and they're not 'fanbois'  of non EVE games either). The response to the awards illusrate that.

Note to Staff: You might want to revaluate your metrics before your reputation takes any more hits.

Originally posted by Shaikura

Man you nailed it on the head. This site should just became an eve online sister site.  I laugh at the eve fanboi's, Eve is not a bad game but, Its not the best game ever either. And with wow having a 5 million + playerbase, if they cared about this site and any polls it did, it would have won hands down. Can anyone really take this site seriously anymore.  This site is pretty much like the state of mmo's these days. Crappy games that people play for a month or two before they get bored to death. Mmorpg's are a dieing type of game now. Developers are listening to hardcore players and ending up with a game that can't do numbers better than 150k.  If anything this site is a new games worse nightmare. New developers would be wise to stay away from advertising their game here.

Eve is quite good, but it's got a steep learning curve, and it's not all handed to you on a plate, you have to go out and find the good stuff.

No way it should have won all those though, not in the state it's in at the moment.

Well it was mentioned previously, probably buried a few pages back, but a possible reason for the lack of Other Game votes was that since this site allows buygold.com ads, other official sites will not allow links on their forums to here.  Apparently the EVE devs/staff doesn't have a problem with it so they allowed the link.  Blizzard and SOE did have a problem with it and wouldn't allow a link to here.  I heard there were some posts about this vote, but the posts were removed on both the WoW and EQ2 forums.

Oh well, certainately can't say EVE doesn't have devoted fans in any case.

some serious thought needs to go into the next players choice awards. this one was totally fubbarred, with questions asked, catagories etc.

i voted in every catagory, but it was like being tied to a rail.

outcomes werent a surprise. some thought needs to go into the next one, preferably with explanations for the voters that dont understand the questions you ask and vote simply to put their faves in the running.

Originally posted by -Rodriguez-
You guys are right!
They should just ban everybody that created an account just for voting. People spamming votes for their favorite game just sucks!

I mean come on!      26% for PVP in WoW ?????
PvP and WoW shouldnt even be mentioned at the same time!



Now seriously,  for all you sore losers out there: stop whining!
All that "my game is better, why didnt it win?" and "Boooohoo CCP did rig the elections!" pisses me off. Its not CCPs fault that Blizzard doesnt give a damn about mmorpg.com. If people think that PvE in WoW is worse then in EvE so be it.
Considering the attitude on this board its no wonder that people only use the accounts for voting. :p

Originally posted by DrowNoble

Well it was mentioned previously, probably buried a few pages back, but a possible reason for the lack of Other Game votes was that since this site allows buygold.com ads, other official sites will not allow links on their forums to here.  Apparently the EVE devs/staff doesn't have a problem with it so they allowed the link.  Blizzard and SOE did have a problem with it and wouldn't allow a link to here.  I heard there were some posts about this vote, but the posts were removed on both the WoW and EQ2 forums.

Oh well, certainately can't say EVE doesn't have devoted fans in any case.

 

This is probably because CCP have largly sorted out the inevitable gold farming problem by making sure trial accounts cant accesss certain tools therefore seriously limiting there mining capabilitys.

And soon asteroid belts the Eve gold farmers only cource of income will soon be turned into random moving entitys that have to be found with a scanner probe which cant be turned into a macro command due to its variable which should further muck up the macros

Originally posted by Gameloading
Yes because heaven forbids people actually like the battlegrounds & fast paced, moving combat in WoW

Originally posted by Spiider
 I have no doubt CCP will turn into (B)Lizzard later on since there is no escaping the 'call of the cash'

Originally posted by Aletto
Well, this didn't turn out to be a surprise. Get 100 rabid fangirls of Elvis Presley to vote on BEST SINGER, MOST ATTRACTIVE SINGER, MOST INTELLIGENT SINGER, and MOST CHARITABLE SINGER and they'll all vote Elvis with their eyes closed. It's the same thing here. The EvE fans all zerged the polls and congratulations. Now hundreds of poor newbies will see these results and try out EvE Online and get bored within days.

Originally posted by mrots
Eve winning best graphics over EQ2??  are you people on the same planet as me?   thats quite sad tbh.

Originally posted by Shaikura

Man you nailed it on the head. This site should just became an eve online sister site.  I laugh at the eve fanboi's, Eve is not a bad game but, Its not the best game ever either. And with wow having a 5 million + playerbase, if they cared about this site and any polls it did, it would have won hands down. .

so,  if this is eve online sister site, how do you explain wow forums having 4x times as many posts and topics than eve forums on this site? in fact eve's forums got less activity than GW and EQ2 forums also.

not only that, up there on the right corner you see there are 500k members on this site, yet 4k voted for eve only, and you say this is rigging the polls?

bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

accept it, EVE won, that is it. there is no conspiracy here. it is just a better game.

oh, and for those talking about new accounts created just to vote for EVE, remember last year EVE won 4 categories out of 3 nominations!!!!!! i guess it was rigged also last year

congrats EVE and CCP

I'm rather new to these forums but from what i have understood there was a voting, most people voted on WoW and EVE therefor between those 2 EVE has won...right?, ifso why are people so uptide about its outcome, i mean i play wow havn't touch EVE but congrates EVE on your  win, maybe if i look at some other forum/poll/topic on a different website a maybe  totaly different game might have won.

Originally posted by Thony

I'm rather new to these forums but from what i have understood there was a voting, most people voted on WoW and EVE therefor between those 2 EVE has won...right?, ifso why are people so uptide about its outcome, i mean i play wow havn't touch EVE but congrates EVE on your  win, maybe if i look at some other forum/poll/topic on a different website a maybe  totaly different game might have won.

 

Originally posted by Thony

I'm rather new to these forums but from what i have understood there was a voting, most people voted on WoW and EVE therefor between those 2 EVE has won...right?, ifso why are people so uptide about its outcome, i mean i play wow havn't touch EVE but congrates EVE on your  win, maybe if i look at some other forum/poll/topic on a different website a maybe  totaly different game might have won.

 

Originally posted by Teleboas

Like everyone didn't see those results coming...

Of course, every other game company doesn't really care who MMORPG.com votes for, so how is this suprising?  Eve was the only company I seen where the actual game posted on their website for everyone to come vote.

I don't see who would take this seriously anyways.

Why not make it next year where new accounts don't count towards the votes, and that an account had to be active within atleast the last 30 days to vote.  Honestly though, I'm sure you enjoy the tons of throw away accounts that are created.  Just makes your site look like it gets more hits. 

Originally posted by Fusion

Originally posted by Teleboas

Like everyone didn't see those results coming...

Of course, every other game company doesn't really care who MMORPG.com votes for, so how is this suprising?  Eve was the only company I seen where the actual game posted on their website for everyone to come vote.

I don't see who would take this seriously anyways.

Why not make it next year where new accounts don't count towards the votes, and that an account had to be active within atleast the last 30 days to vote.  Honestly though, I'm sure you enjoy the tons of throw away accounts that are created.  Just makes your site look like it gets more hits. 

QFT, i see no reason for eve to win anything except maybe graphics, but as we can see from all these votes and the "highest ranked" list we can clearly see how EVE devs are couraging their players to come and vote their crappy game here.

oh no, not again. those arguments make you look dumb. this site has more than 500k members that can vote. that is 3x as many as EVE players. even if the so called "CCP: award campaign" had been incredibly succesful, eve players would only count for 1/3 of the total votes.

think harder to bring up a good argument, or else accept the results.

That was it??? that was the review??? OMG you guys what happened?

A MASSIVE MMORPG SITE and with only afew games winning not even bother to describe the other games?? YOU guys dont even have the most crappy MMORPG that was released this year... My GOD SOOO MUCH MMORPG game releases this year and that was all you can give us??? whats wrong with you!!!

Not sure if this has been mentioned, as I'm not going to read 8 pages of argu... er, posts.

I was re-reading the awards, and saw this line at the end of the last award page that I don't remember seeing on my first read through. Did this appear after the (understandable) forum reaction, or was it always there?

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We'll return again nextbyear witha new system, so start thinking about your votes for the 2007 Reader's Choice Awards!

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Either way, a new system is definitely called for, but try not to type with your tongue next time.

Originally posted by formedsmoke
I honestly am not suprised by these results.  Eve Online is a great game.  I enjoy it immensely.  I admit that I had not even heard of mmorpg.com until the advertisement was posted on the Eve Online website. 
I'm not saying that WoW is a bad game.  It's just not one that I can enjoy.  I wore myself out on fantasy games.  Slapping around harpies with the hopes of gaining a magical sword just doesn't appeal to me anymore.

In the end, this is a vote of opinion.  Obviously, one opinion had stronger support than others.  Personally, I did vote for Eve in every catagory that it was present in... but not just because I'm a fan.  I considered the other games, considered what I've seen and felt of them, and considered the opinions of my friends who play them, and determined that Eve was the choice that best reflected my opinions.  I'm sure that if there had been more variety in the vote options, I would have voted differently... but this really did become an Eve vs. WoW vote, and in all of the voted catagories, I like Eve better.

Of all the things that people could be fighting about, which MMORPG won a popular opinion vote is a pretty damn sorry one.  This just isn't that important, people.  And if World of Warcraft had swept every catagory, I would be saying the same thing.

Remeber, over everything else: It's just a game.

Originally posted by scoobys

That was it??? that was the review??? OMG you guys what happened?

A MASSIVE MMORPG SITE and with only afew games winning not even bother to describe the other games?? YOU guys dont even have the most crappy MMORPG that was released this year... My GOD SOOO MUCH MMORPG game releases this year and that was all you can give us??? whats wrong with you!!!

Originally posted by PB&J

Originally posted by formedsmoke
I honestly am not suprised by these results.  Eve Online is a great game.  I enjoy it immensely.  I admit that I had not even heard of mmorpg.com until the advertisement was posted on the Eve Online website. 
I'm not saying that WoW is a bad game.  It's just not one that I can enjoy.  I wore myself out on fantasy games.  Slapping around harpies with the hopes of gaining a magical sword just doesn't appeal to me anymore.

In the end, this is a vote of opinion.  Obviously, one opinion had stronger support than others.  Personally, I did vote for Eve in every catagory that it was present in... but not just because I'm a fan.  I considered the other games, considered what I've seen and felt of them, and considered the opinions of my friends who play them, and determined that Eve was the choice that best reflected my opinions.  I'm sure that if there had been more variety in the vote options, I would have voted differently... but this really did become an Eve vs. WoW vote, and in all of the voted catagories, I like Eve better.

Of all the things that people could be fighting about, which MMORPG won a popular opinion vote is a pretty damn sorry one.  This just isn't that important, people.  And if World of Warcraft had swept every catagory, I would be saying the same thing.

Remeber, over everything else: It's just a game.

I thought you need a post count of 5 before you could vote. Are you saying you were allowed to vote with no posts at all? This post is your 1st so when you voted you must have newly registered and then voted.

Ok im not reading the whole long list of pages but i managed to get to page 5. I am a eve player and I did create this account to vote i admit but  previouse to this i had been a ;ong time forum stalker. Just was always to lazy to register. And you know what good on eve players if they want tto come out and vote for the game it shows there commitment. Its a great game and we try to encourage people to try it.

*EDIT* BTW i also voted before the data dump.

Eve online does have good graphics, but everything else about the game is BORING!

Playing Eve is more like am arduous task than a fun game. The people who voted for eve must enjoy being on the recieving end of whips and chains!

But still the numbers dont add up. When i played Eve, the community seemed pretty small. Every person who plays Eve would have had  to have voted 2 or 3 times to come out with the numbers quoted in this survey!

Somethings not right here........

Originally posted by Lord_Nero

But still the numbers dont add up. When i played Eve, the community seemed pretty small. Every person who plays Eve would have had  to have voted 2 or 3 times to come out with the numbers quoted in this survey!

Somethings not right here........

Originally posted by Lord_Nero

Eve online does have good graphics, but everything else about the game is BORING!

Playing Eve is more like am arduous task than a fun game. The people who voted for eve must enjoy being on the recieving end of whips and chains!

But still the numbers dont add up. When i played Eve, the community seemed pretty small. Every person who plays Eve would have had  to have voted 2 or 3 times to come out with the numbers quoted in this survey!

Somethings not right here........

Originally posted by Lord_Nero

Eve online does have good graphics, but everything else about the game is BORING!

Playing Eve is more like am arduous task than a fun game. The people who voted for eve must enjoy being on the recieving end of whips and chains!

But still the numbers dont add up. When i played Eve, the community seemed pretty small. Every person who plays Eve would have had  to have voted 2 or 3 times to come out with the numbers quoted in this survey!

Somethings not right here........

I almost replied to this sooner, was even typing it up, but I was tired and decided to do it later, so forgive the lateness.

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Originally posted by Beatnik59

See, there you all go again making EVE out to be something its not.  Its alright to like the game, but you are deliberately making EVE out to be something other than it is.  You may not like my posts, or think they are fair.  One thing for certain though is you'll never see Beatnik59 ask you to shell out money based on hype that's too good to be true.
There is nothing "unique" about how players "shape the story."  At one time, you actually had server wide events, etc.  You don't see that so much anymore, and storylines that have been around for a year have never been touched by CCP.  These days, its the same old twink versus twink ePeen contest you have seen in later pre-CU SWG, you see in WoW, and every other game where player clans compete against eachother for uberness.  Not only that, but its stale.  A lot really doesn't change from day to day.  For months, nothing really changed all that much map wise, and still, the changes amount to so little, all things considered.

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My only point is about players shaping the story. You once described Pre CU SWG and it seemed to be quite compelling. But I really think you are greatly misrepresenting the player story, particularly in 0.0 space.

It is not epeen vs epeen contests. Granted, a lot of conflicts are spawned by players wishes for a little "pew pew" as I have heard in the the EVE forums. But there is far more depth in the political landscape that you think. Need proof? Consider the Interstellar StarBase Syndicate, or the Great Northern War, or my own alliance FIX's history with the Stain Alliance (once friends, but now bitter enemies). Each alliance, old, new, or dead, has it's own story, and the interactions can go much deeper than simple epeen

It would be nice to have more server wide events, but it's not really that important compared to the player politics.

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Originally posted by Beatnik59

Also, the notion that you get more "free" content from EVE is a myth as well.  You get paid expansions in games like EQ2, CoH, and WoW, but what you don't often hear about is how much free content you get, and keep on getting, long after you subscribe.  I don't have any paid expansions for EQ2, but they gave me over 200 new quests, new writs, new areas, and new features, and I was able to see it for myself without paying SOE one thin dime this year.  Unlike CCP, SOE, NCSoft, and others will give people who bought the box "free time" to play awhile on their dime.
Meanwhile, after paying since January, on two accounts, all I got was one third of the expansion they promised in spring, a few new ship designs, a ton of bugs and lag, and some asian character models.  So really, all things considered, you really don't get much more value,when you actually stop,cut through the hype, and really see what you get.

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A lot about EVE's expansions is refining existing tools and content. So yes, you're probably right as far as purely new content is concerned. There isn't much new to add to EVE because the Universe was always there since the beginning. But at the same time, those new ships help expand the PVP combat, the new corp tools makes managing corps easier, and the new 0.0 regions will add a whole new chapter to alliance history. It's a little more subtle I admit than new quests and new writs in EQ2 and such, but it does help what EVE does so well, gives the game to it's players.

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Originally posted by Beatnik59

  You pay just as much, if not more, with EVE than you do in other MMOs.  The reason being, you really have to spend a lot of money to really understand if "EVE is for you," and if if it isn't for you, nobody is going to give that money back.  All you'll get are these fanbois like LordSlater, Snakey, and Minsc tell you how stupid you are, how you aren't playing the "right way (its funny how EVE ceases to become a sandbox where there is "no right way to play," after you pay your $20 fee)," and to quit whining.
Before you check out EVE, take a look at the general discussion forum on the EVE website to see what the EVE players have to say about this "award winning" game.  Read it carefully, and take your time to read a lot of the longer threads, before you decide whether or not you want to give EVE your entertainment dollars.  You'll get quite a shock, as the real players like you and I have serious issues you'll never hear about on MMORPG.com with the fanbois.  If you want to see all this great "player generated stories," check out the corporation and alliance discussion boards, and get a taste of how deep and thoughtful this community is.

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Yes, EVE does take time to find your niche, such is unescapable with this game. But it can be avoided.

I don't often read the general forums, so I can't really comment there. I don't doubt your word Beatnik. But I must ask, are these issues really stopping many of these people from playing EVE?

Also, the alliance forums, yes it can get nasty there. But a post on this thread which had degenerated a bit does much to show some of the deeper meaning (though less flaming would be nice too). There are a number of flamers there, probably an unfortunately circumstance of alliance wars being so meaningful to the players, some conflicts can get quite bitter. But there are players that almost always post with wisdom and moderation as this. (and the moderators do try to keep it clean).

This particular post is on page 9 of that thread.

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Originally posted by Avernus

I'm simply amazed how many people don't get why various alliances are steamed up about this thread. Maybe I'm just an old hand at alliance politics, and the old players here have evolved a particular brand of ethics and boundaries that we inherently know you damn well shouldn't cross. I see an asshat flaming Ab Initio because he says 'show respect to established alliances'.

Look, some people may have only been in this game for 3 months (not your alliance leaders btw), but if you are going to come on here and make some waves, do your ******* homework people! There is 3 years of history that has evolved the mindsets of the player base here, and one thing is key if you want to progress, RESPECT.

If you can't show repect to your fellow players, your allies, and your enemies, then you are damn well destined for failure. Walking the line on common decency doesn't cut it folks, get a clue and put yourselves in another alliances shoes, and figure out their perspective.

Remedials original post wasn't bad, it was too early to make it, but it wasn't bad. Eve has seen turnarounds in situation so many damn times, it's practically considered common courtesy to wait a while extra before making such a post. Why? Because it's seen as a slap in the face otherwise.

I, nor many others, would expect newer players to recognise that oddity of Eve politics; it's forgiveable, no real harm done. I notice another player posting that they expected more depth to Eve politics..... buddy, you're only reading the words on the surface, the politics going on in this thread would raise your eyebrows a few notches if you realised what has been said: by who, to who, who agreed with which party, etc....

Fact of life in Eve, is you always have to read past the flames in this forum. However, between those flames is a wealth of information to be garnered by those who know what to look for. The majority of people will never pick up on how many things have actually happened in this thread. Fact is, Goons is only a couple steps away from a monumental disaster, and it outwardly appears that you have no flipping idea as to the height of the precipice you are standing upon.

Want to know what else really doesn't work on these forums? Whining. Holy ****, whine one more damn time and I'll help form the coalition that comes to knock some damn sense into your leaders heads. Whining is sickening. You want another reason why people like NORAD? Show me a single post by them here.... really, go ahead and show me where they flinch? What does that tell the rest of us you ask....

Not for me to answer, start using the brain you were provided and figure it out.

The above post is partially fueled by alcohol.

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EDIT: And another respectful post. By the other side of the debate.

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Originally posted by GSreporter

On behalf of the more mature section of goonswarm, I would like to apologise for the obvious goon alts in this thread who have been coming in only to throw insults and antagonise, and (perhaps) argue offtopic. I hope the fact that I am posting as an alt can be understood given the situation.

The original post in this thread was badly executed, and I agree with other posters who have pointed out that this message should have been sent internally, and serves no useful purpose except chestbeating. Much of the swarm had opinions on it's posting, and much constructive discussion was made.

That said the trainwreck this thread has become has also got BoB partly to blame (again, among others). I'm sure that anyone would agree that who controls NPC space can be extremely complicated to determine, and I expect that much of the differing points of view of system populations are to do with timezone issues - personally I have not seen norad outnumbering goonswarm apart from the first couple of days of the invasion, but that does not imply it does not happen. The only way I believe this would be determined is by observing over time, to see if norad or goonswarm moves out, and I see no way that any amount of arguing could decide who 'owns' the space. Personally, I expect the swarm to 'win', but time will tell.

Remedial has now resigned his position as CEO of goonfleet and goonswarm, partly because of this affair. The skull throne will now be passed onto another. Despite recent disagreements, I, and I hope that even those in other alliances who dislike remedial, cannot deny how much he has done for goonfleet, and we wish him well.

I shall end with a couple of quotes from Remedials resignation post:

Originally by: "Remedial"
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I'd like to apologize to everybody for starting that crap on Eve-O. As proof that I'm truly sorry, I am handing over the CEO reigns and surrendering my roles and forums powers.

I hope that people can remember the good things I've done instead of simply focusing on the bad. May GoonFleet continue to grow and prosper long after the torch is passed.
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Keep flying safely, and good luck to NORAD with the war.

Edit: I in no way represent the views of goonfleet as a whole, and my opinions should have bias taken into account - I will be undeniably biased towards goonfleet. This post has also been altered slightly at the request of several swarm members, and in respect for remedial. The core message remains.

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These thread I think more largely represent the quality of the player story than the flames. But as Avernus stated, even in the flames some good knowledge can be gained (though it was over my head at the time) It turned out (this thread was in June 06) That Goonswarm was driven out of the west by BOB and NORAD joined with FA to form RISE.

So yes, you'll find some flmage (though moderators try to keep it minimized, you'll see them often in threads) you'll find diamonds in the rough like these.

My 2 cents,

EDIT: Added 2nd quote and rewrote conclusion.

Wow the whole thing is really disappointing.  Especially since I left the closed beta for Burning Crusade after waiting for 2 years for something that was totally boring and not new (of course those new flying mounts will sell a few million copies alone)... why is this still winning any awards at all? As an ex Blizz employee, even I cant stand it anymore and its grown stagnant.

I personally give EQ more kudos than anything else nominated; there is an example of a real story, 8 years in the making. FFXI still manages to pull alot of weight too.  I'm sure EVE and the City Of Heroes/Villains are still nice lil games, but these results are what you get from only letting certain people (the same people) vote time after time. Its like rigging the votes. I wouldnt blame the companies for not taking this seriously either; I'm sure they are aware of this all ready too and I just play the games I like without any input from anyone else.

I'm an EVE player and a WOW player (although my WOW acc is closed atm).

EVE winning best PVE is laughable at best, no amount of cosmos missions or whatever will make EVE PVE attractive (not to me, at least). WOW and to a lesser extend EQ2 have a much better PVE part (again IMO), but then those games are PVE games by default with some added PVP bits&blobs.

EVE winning other catergories I CAN understand (if only for the simple reason that I'm playing EVE atm, not WOW), the game truly is completely different from any other MMO and in that respect you either like it or hate it, I happen to like it. 150k other accounts happen to like it as well. Without any epeen swinging whatsoever I can state that EVE is in fact an advanced MMO, not for the fainthearted nor for the stereotype MMO player, it's different, not neccesarily better as 'better' is subjective.

There's a lot of sterotype MMO players and for those there's a number of MMO's to choose from, this will dilute your votes. There's only one MMO like EVE (I'm not talking about the space/sci-fi aspect) and therefore ALL the people who happen to like such an MMO are bundled together. Result is more focussed EVE players voting for just that; EVE. The more classic MMO players didn't bunch up and voted for different options -> EVE wins this poll.

I still don't see how a small MMO like EVE was able to muster more vote(r)s than WOW, even IF (and this is not proven) people cast multiple votes. For the record; I didn't vote because I cba.

Originally posted by Soraellion

I'm an EVE player and a WOW player (although my WOW acc is closed atm).

EVE winning best PVE is laughable at best, no amount of cosmos missions or whatever will make EVE PVE attractive (not to me, at least). WOW and to a lesser extend EQ2 have a much better PVE part (again IMO), but then those games are PVE games by default with some added PVP bits&blobs.

EVE winning other catergories I CAN understand (if only for the simple reason that I'm playing EVE atm, not WOW), the game truly is completely different from any other MMO and in that respect you either like it or hate it, I happen to like it. 150k other accounts happen to like it as well. Without any epeen swinging whatsoever I can state that EVE is in fact an advanced MMO, not for the fainthearted nor for the stereotype MMO player, it's different, not neccesarily better as 'better' is subjective.

There's a lot of sterotype MMO players and for those there's a number of MMO's to choose from, this will dilute your votes. There's only one MMO like EVE (I'm not talking about the space/sci-fi aspect) and therefore ALL the people who happen to like such an MMO are bundled together. Result is more focussed EVE players voting for just that; EVE. The more classic MMO players didn't bunch up and voted for different options -> EVE wins this poll.

I still don't see how a small MMO like EVE was able to muster more vote(r)s than WOW, even IF (and this is not proven) people cast multiple votes. For the record; I didn't vote because I cba.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would say that the reason Eve managed to get so many votes was because they have a player base that is committed to the game. CCP has managed to make those players happy and are doing a pretty good job.

People disagree and that is fine but when a group gets together to vote then they do have a lot of pull. The other games out there which are great and would probably have breaten Eve if their players had all voted for that game. Probably due to a large number of the games having a cross section of the player base.

I don't know but congrats to Eve and the other games that made it into the Final's.

Originally posted by lordodd
I get a bit tired of the Anti-Eve brigade making empty statements about how Eve has awful PVE. The fact is that the NPC/PVE experience in this game is in general superior in design to WoW. Yes, it is true!

I for one very much agree with this statement. I also think it goes both ways and have myself let my irritation get away with me and have made negative comments about other games. I try not to but I am only human.

2. Missions. Missions are the bread and butter PvE experience. Missions have been changed and updated throughout the year to keep them fresh and to tie them in with the changing storylines occuring in the game. In fact CCP has been brave enough to make some missions at all levels deadly to the unwary lone player. There could be improvement here but CCP have been keeping them changing.

I got a mission last night to go and get Smokes for the agent as he was grumpy. That really made me laugh.

Originally posted by vanidor

I am guessing by all the posts that mmorpg needs to rework there polling.  I have 1 friend that plays EVE  I have a hundred people I know playing wow.  I know 120 beta'ing LOTRO and about 15 betaing Vanguard. 

In my opinion the best game out at the moment is probably wow for sheer numbers.  Not the best game but best in numbers. 

I can't wait till LOTRO hits the stage  and then Warhammer Online.  We will see some clear cut winners. 

I almost think MMORPG gets paid to let EVE win. 

I tried EVE and thought it was horrible.  Hard to learn, poor interface, stunning graphics....I don't think so.

Well I didn't check every post here but I think the awards should be thrown out.  You need to have all MMORPGS listed to give a fair sampling not just three or four.

Just some simple advise :) check this site regular and you would have noticed that every single mmorpg got its change to be voted on, you had a round 1/2 and 3 before the finals, so do not judge this site but judge its community who made the outcome the way it is.

I also tried Eve and wasn't impressed, did not like the way the game is handled but all this is pure my own opinion and i can really understand some people will love EVE i'm just incredible happy that everyone can have a opinion that way we will never be playing the same game all at once together

I'm just guessing alott of people havn't reached the age where they can vote politics therefor do not understand votes in general and blame those that arn't guilty by its outcome just because they are abit narrowminded to understand voting  before you start flaming this wasn't directly to you but more ment in general

I see my favourite Eve forum spamming colleague Dark Shikari finally found this forum too.

While he sometimes actually makes sense, he tends to do it too often to be taken seriously. Personally, as an Eve player since the games' release I consider these player choice awards a cockup of embarrasing proportions. As long as people like mr Shikari like to go and mobilize large numbers of random idiots (we have them in the Eve community too yes), shit like this will happen.

Of course, mmorpg. com could also just restrict voting to accounts registered more then 6 months prior to the voting, which would imo be the right way to go about it considering the public they seem most interested in anyway: longtime mmo players.

Still, I agree with most of the outcomes, it's just that the way in which both Eve players as well as mmorpg,com go about the contest end up doing the potential players out there more of a disservice then anything else. How many people do you think take these awards seriously now ?

I'd rather have a player poll supplement an editor's choice award then have this idiiocy continuing on to the next year tbh.

Originally posted by Rod_B

I see my favourite Eve forum spamming colleague Dark Shikari finally found this forum too.

While he sometimes actually makes sense, he tends to do it too often to be taken seriously. Personally, as an Eve player since the games' release I consider these player choice awards a cockup of embarrasing proportions. As long as people like mr Shikari like to go and mobilize large numbers of random idiots (we have them in the Eve community too yes), shit like this will happen.

Of course, mmorpg. com could also just restrict voting to accounts registered more then 6 months prior to the voting, which would imo be the right way to go about it considering the public they seem most interested in anyway: longtime mmo players.

Still, I agree with most of the outcomes, it's just that the way in which both Eve players as well as mmorpg,com go about the contest end up doing the potential players out there more of a disservice then anything else. How many people do you think take these awards seriously now ?

I'd rather have a player poll supplement an editor's choice award then have this idiiocy continuing on to the next year tbh.

sorry rod, but i disagree. last year EVE won 4 out of 3 nominations. even restricting voting to 6 month old accounts the results would have been the same.

it would be better to restrict by post account or activity, but this way you penalize people that read but dont like to write.

anyways, this site has 500k members. EVE won with 3k votes. the problem is not with EVE, CCP or Dark Shikarii. it's mmorpg.com that should find a way to make its members vote so that 3k players from a  niche game dont spoil the whole competition.

even though PVE is not the best part of EVE, i still find EVE's PVE better than any other game. not because of its challenge or thrill, but because it is meaningful. there can not be pvp without pve. i would even go as far as to say that there is no clear way to take pve out of pvp on EVE. i mean, is mining PVE or PVP? playing the market is PVE or PVP? polithics are PVE or PVP? hauling? even missions and complexes, which could be seen as clear pve are regular activities of many pvp corps.

so for me, the poll showed exactly my choices. and that is what this competiton was, "2006 Reader's Choice Awards".

Originally posted by SmileyMan
What. The. Hell.

How can EVE possibly win the award for best story? Warcraft has the most advanced lore I've ever experienced, while EVE-Online is nothing but a couple of stories on the god damned website!

GFG!

Originally posted by Soraellion
If people cba to vote don't start blaming the ones who DID vote for the outcome of said vote. If it only took 3k of votes to win this thing while MMORPG has 500k subscribers then that's sad, hell if only 1/20th would be active it would STILL be sad.

I wish we had these reader choice awards back when DAOC was the pvp master <_<; Also I have to say that Ragnarok Online is pretty damn fun for pvp too.

Anyways. Great vote, great to see that eve still shines. But once some of these newer generation mmo's come out we will finally see some competition. I mean everyone is going to be torn with all the options. Warhammer, Pirates, Conan! It's like coming up with a career choice in High School lol.

5-10% of 500k is 25000-50000 active members, I'll restate that if EVE wins by 3k votes and then people start whining about it they only have themselves to blame? (by 'people' I mean the whole group, not the individual who DID vote).

Originally posted by dragonace

Originally posted by Soraellion
If people cba to vote don't start blaming the ones who DID vote for the outcome of said vote. If it only took 3k of votes to win this thing while MMORPG has 500k subscribers then that's sad, hell if only 1/20th would be active it would STILL be sad.

That's the main problem with sites like mmorpg.com and polls conducted on such sites.  While they advertise 500k subscribers, they only have a small percentage  that is ACTIVE.  Probably in the neighborhood of 5-10%. 

Of those that are ACTIVE (25-50k), only a small percentage of those will take the time to vote.  So, if only  5-10% of the ACTIVE membership votes - that gives you about 2,500-5,000 votes.   It's the way all online forums are, just the nature of the beast.

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Originally posted by SmileyMan
What. The. Hell.

How can EVE possibly win the award for best story? Warcraft has the most advanced lore I've ever experienced, while EVE-Online is nothing but a couple of stories on the god damned website!

GFG!

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Obviously sir you are quite unaware of the backstory section of the EVE Site (check out the chornicles or short stories section, you won't be disappointed) nor have seen the rich history of political interaction between empire and especially 0.0 corps and alliances.

Someone really should post a comphrehensive history about that.

Originally posted by SmileyMan
What. The. Hell.

How can EVE possibly win the award for best story? Warcraft has the most advanced lore I've ever experienced, while EVE-Online is nothing but a couple of stories on the god damned website!

Originally posted by smartkidz

Originally posted by SmileyMan
What. The. Hell.

How can EVE possibly win the award for best story? Warcraft has the most advanced lore I've ever experienced, while EVE-Online is nothing but a couple of stories on the god damned website!

I completely agree.

This was an accurate poll. EvE has always been popular in MMORPG.com due to the large EvE player base that resides here. This is proven time and time again by the many threads that go up supporting EvE online on various parts of the board.

What bothers me is that a lot of the EvE players are merely too involved in EvE online and lack the open mindedness of other community members. The public rating system of MMORPG.com is obviously affected by this. Most of the players will go to any lengths to justify their commitment. Maybe it's to their benefit as it allows them to achieve success in EvE, which demands this kind of tenacious devotion. In the future I hope to see a little more variety. However, if this is the true vocal majority who participated then let them speak, let them be heard.

Originally posted by Krogan
lol well this was pretty funny, EvE is imo a really bad game and all this really proves is just how much idel time EvE players have. While i'm busy playing my chars in WoW the whole EvE community has their ships on auto pilot surfing forums.

So congrats ot EvE for having the most idel friendly game with a fanatic group of subscribers that have nothing better to do then surf foums all day long :)

This thread is more than funny.

First of all, obviously none of these results should be considered to be too serious. After all, WOW could win all the categories every time based on the sheer number of subscribers it has.

With that said, while i enjoy seeing my game on the top - and think that it rightfully belongs there - i also know that winning these awards is more about mobilizing the fan base, than about actual rankings amongst games.

On comments regarding EVE: It's just funny how little people realize the crucial difference between EVE's depth and other MMOGs. When i see people comparing conflicts between guilds, race to get the first kill of xyz mob in a game / server / whatever to what EVE has to offer.. i have to chuckle.

Whenever i play an MMOG besides EVE, my first and real problem is that they feel like playing with toy cars after you've driven a ferrari. You can mimic the sound of the ferrari, but thats just not like driving the original. You just can't match the scale of a game where alliances with more than 1000 people going at eachother for territory, hate or just to prevent an invasion from the other side.

Obviously the game is not just about alliance warfare, but the scale on which alliances work, the way they effect the game's history.. in fact, the history of alliances IS the game's history, and it is a history more rich than some of the dev written ones for other MMOGs out there. Sure there is an official history of EVE as well, but as with everything developer written.. you just can't match the variety and fun of real life history that writes itself through the actions of the players.

As the devs of EVE so wisely realized, the game is merely a sandbox for the players to play it. The game is what we make out of it.. thats why this is / was and will be the top MMOG until someone else creates another similarly great sandbox.