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Awards By Dana Massey on December 05, 2006
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Finalists for Story: EVE Online, Ryzom and World of Warcraft
A lot goes into a story in an MMORPG and there is no single definition. What we want you to consider is which game did the best job of providing players with avenues to experience their world in 2006? This includes live events, role-playing support, quests, the community itself and anything else that makes you feel like you're a citizen of more than just a video game, but a world. Last year, you chose Ryzom. Since then, a lot has changed. They launched the player-story tools in the form of the Ryzom Ring, but they also filed for receivership and the game's future remains uncertain. Nonetheless, the servers are active. Do they deserve to repeat as the best story of 2006? Others seem to like EVE Online's player driven dramas and World of Warcraft's wealth of quests.
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Ok I'd like to be the first to say that your desicion to use open voting then only take the game that got 10% for finals voting made this the lamest Reader's Choice awards I've ever seen. Sure people complained last time that you bascially told them who they could vote for but you made it a hundred time worse.
You might as well call it the EVE vs WoW awards...you seriously need to re think this entire process if this is the result.
Next year, I suspect we'll revisit the format again.
When it comes to voting, anything is possible. ie: Bush vs Gore. Heck, Bush should win the PvE catogory.. lol.. he has no chance in the PVP
I'm suprised the most anticipated game cateogry didn't have a selction for "EVE: Upcoming, but as of yet unannounced, expansion"
I voted for all the games that weren't EVE just so it doesn't win. I think WoW sucks for the most part as well but just voted for it so EVE wouldn't win.
If a game company cares enough to get involved in their community, that speaks loads about the game right there.
It’s not CCP's fault other companies don’t get involved with there community.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with getting your community involved in marketing your game.
I won't even get into the game itself. That has been done to death.
As for the people complaining about Eve making it into the PvE catagory...seriously go vote or something.. Thats sad that you guys even want to complain because obviously theres a big majorty of people that do believe in or at least care about there game enough to vote for it. Remeber guys these are votes that mmorpg.com doesn't HAVE to put up and yet they do. Yet Ive seen some of you almost go borderline rude with saying that these votes are rigged....Why would a site set up a vote just to have it rigged?
Anyways I love the trash choice as personally I thought so myself. 2006 is pathetic of a year for the mmorpg industry and maybe the industry is just hibernating for the explosive awaking in 2007. At Least I hope so.
The biggest surprise for me was that EQ2 didn't qualify for the PvE finals, and the fact that EVE Online did(!). I have nothing against EVE and I think it's superior in both graphics and PvP, but the PvE in this game is almost non-existent and certainly not very interesting.
How the hell can anyone even think about voting for EVE in this category!?
The trash choice was great. I agree with that. 2006 couldn't have been any wore for MMOG's.
I did vote. I'm just frustrated that it appears EVE fans "mindlessly" voted for EVE without giving consideration to any other game in any category. They seemed to have voted straight ticket EVE.
EVE certainly does deserve its praise in the PvP category. Its just sad that games like DAoC or Lineage II (good end game PvP) didn't make the final cut in that category and a PvP snoozer like WoW did.
But, these are the readers choice awards. I guess I'm just in the minority when I considered nominating a game in a category not just because I liked the game but because it deserved to be nominated in that category.
Looks like voters weren't voting with objectivity like they should have on some of those. Readers choice rewards suck, because the readers can't be trusted to give an unbiased vote. This was more like a popularity contest than anything else.
I mean common? EvE for best PvE? We all know EvE is a great game and has excellent PvP, but PvE? Popularity contest for sure. I hope others join me and stop voting for these stupid things, because we already have a popularity contest on the front page. MMORPG.COM staff needs to start acting like the adults and take control of these contests and vote for the MMORPG community in the world with objectivity.
EDIT: Another thing. I think you all should choose the best of every category, because people like me read this site for expert opinion. You all are professional writers or at least have college level journalism skill and know what objectivity is. It is you, who have this skill combined with MMORPG expertise and experience that we look up to, to tell us which games out there are the best. Some of us look to your expert opinion to tip us in the right direction. We may be sitting on the fense between 5 games to buy and we can only afford one, which the decision would then become easier by reading the "experts" objective opinion on the matter.
I won't even get into the game itself. That has been done to death.
I didn’t know this site was exclusive to only MMORPG readers. I guess the MMO that MMORPG published is "Forum wars", because i do believe everyone else that reads this site...does play an MMO, that MMORPG didn’t make...
I’m really confused. Becouse i thought MMO player were MMORPG.coms community.
These are easy to do and fun for the community. They are a popularity contest, of course, but that's sort of the point.
I would like to join with others in saying: Thank you for the "None of the Above" trash can option! I was dreading getting to the favorite game released this year question because it was a very, very pathetic year for MMOs.
I can honestly say I haven't spent a single dollar on an MMO released within 2006. If 2007 is this bad I will start a website dedicated to making fun of game developers!
The scene has gotten so bad that I bought an XBox 360 just so I could play Gears of War (I hate consoles. Not dislike, hate.). hehe
I also played Battlefield 2 all summer, even though EA is a sorry excuse for a developer and they never fix bugs, etc. Fix bugs? Not EA! They will release 5 expansions/booster packs that add new bugs to go with the current ones instead!
I was one of the pissed off WoW players early in 2006, I cancelled and thought I might never look back. After having nothing to play all summer (as far as MMOs went), I was finally honest with myself about two months ago: WoW is the best MMO to be released in the last two years. Don't get me wrong, I think that is pathetic but I am playing it again none the less. Do I want a game 10x better than WoW? You bet, but the industry somehow managed to make 2006 a big gap of a year for quality releases.
These are easy to do and fun for the community. They are a popularity contest, of course, but that's sort of the point.
Okay..
Well, when do those come out and will they be more publicized on this site than these community rigged awards?
Crazy voters.
Okay..
Well, when do those come out and will they be more publicized on this site than these community rigged awards?
Here are last years: http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm/loadFeature/368/2005MMORPGcomEditorial2005MMORPGcomEditorialAwards.html
They'll likely come out around Christmas. We moved the Reader's Choice up this year so as not to confuse the two (they came out roughly at the same time last year).
Didn't vote in 5 of the 7 categories due to lack of this option....
I haven't got to the point where I've actually bought a console yet, but I came THIS *holding thumb and index finger really REALLY close* close to buying an XBOX 360, simply because I was getting bored of EVE, EQ2 and WoW - the only MMOS I've found remotely interesting after DAoC "died" here in Europe.
Oh yeah, a big "thank you" to mmorpg.com for the trash can option
Have you not played EVE since 2003?
Today, it has hundreds of complexes (more than WoW), an entire exploration system where you can find your own "raids", and four massive COSMOS constellations, plus hundreds of missions.
World of Warcraft has about, uh... 4 quests that are repeated game-wide with different names madlibbed into them? Come on, even I've played to level 60 on World of Warcraft and you'd have to be a liar to say that the PvE in that game is remotely interesting.
People think World of Warcraft has good PvE because most MMORPGs have such bad PvE. Quite honestly, most MMORPGs are pretty damn bad. World of Warcraft, as bad as it is, is a breath of fresh air by comparison. EVE Online, on the other hand, is assumed to have bad PvE for two reasons:
1. The huge number of dumbasses who have only played the game for 5 minutes or only played it right after release, and thus from that experience they think the game has no PvE.
2. People assume that no game can possibly be good at both PvE or PvP, and since EVE's PvP is utterly badass, they assume by logic that the PvE must therefore be miserable.
It aint perfect, and by my standards the PvE isn't that great, but compared to what's out there its damn good. Better than World of Warcraft? Certainly. But that isn't saying much.
Here's an example quote from another forum:
I stayed with WoW only as long as I did for the pvp. For some reason my idea of the perfect PvE isn't spending 18 hours a day playing so I can fight through the same instance for 3 months so I can get better gear aaaaand go do the same thing at the next one!11 Huzzah for repetition!
Now in the finals it was easy, the new Exploration system in EVE truly rocks and beats any "bring me 20 orc livers and the spline of a vicious mungo!" crap. :p
If a game doesn't even recieve 10% of the nominations, what makes you even think it's going to have a chance against something with 5-10x the % of nominations?
Do you think someone running for the US presidency has a chance in hell of winning with 3% of the population backing him, compared to two others with 40% or more of the population backing them? ;)
Having every mentioned game could've been done I'm sure, but why would they list a game if only a handful will vote for it? Just as a simple, yet pointless show?
I'd rather rub my body with sandpaper.
The upside to EVE PVE is you can atleast do it and other things if need be, and you almost always have the risk of a hostile element coming along. NPCing in hostile terriroty is more exciting, and it's only PVP when some blinky comes looking for a fight, but even if they don't show up, you get the fun of knowing you're playing in their backyard, which may become your backyard.
Another year ,another call to arms on EVE forums,possibly another clean sweep for eve.
I wonder if L2,FFX!,EQ2 or WoW done similar rallying calls would eve even make it to finals.I think not as this games all have at least 2+ the number of subs EVE has.
And please don't say eve getting all this finalist votes because its so super.
However i think i like this method of few finalist mostly 2 in most categories.I see a lot of people who don't even like WoW or EQ2 casting votes for them now.
I look forward to your rant if a link goes up in the WoW forums (even if it does, the most suprising thing would be Blizzard giving a damn, which is unlikely).
Seriously... I totally agree.
I was thinking to myself how ridiculous it is that for almost every catagory you only had a choice between WoW and EvE.
WoW is so frustratingly over-hyped and EVE is boring.
I vote that both games suck and I pray that something new and fun comes out soon to over shadow both these games.
L2 forums wouldn't matter because farmers won't care to vote for the game.
FFX players are too busy trying to find parties that will last more than 30 seconds.
SoE is too busy killing their games to mention a website's read's choice awards.
WoW could have it mentioned on their boards, but Blizzard has damn near 0 interaction with players, whereas alot of EVE players not only have interacted with devs, but actually get to known them and care about their players.
Besides, do you think hordes of WoW players would come swarming here? Most likely no, because to be honest, the majority of those 7 million couldn't give a damn about the game's image, and it'd take away from their complex spamming, or boar killing in the forest.
It is odd only two finalists in each catagory, but as these are read choice awards, if the vast majority of readers areEVE/WoW players, then even having other games listed, isn't going to cause one of them to oust EVE or WoW, now is it? ;)
Next year, I suspect we'll revisit the format again.
It's funny you said the same thing last year. I still don't understand why you simply can't let people vote out of every game on the list.
Then again it might end up showing that there are other games people like besides WoW and Eve... nah can't have that.
Not less then EvE being best PvE game...
WoW being voted for best story is just as bad as EVE being voted for PVE imo........... WoW butchered the Warcraft lore just so they could put crap in to attract more players which imo is a bad move......... but to each his own........ I only voted for EQ2 on Best Graphics and for GW on best game of 2006 and AoC for most anticipated and left the rest blank because I refuse to vote for WoW or EVE. In the first run I voted for AO for best PVE and best game, GW for best PVP and graphics and best of 2006. Personally I dont think these votes mean much, they are obviously way biased but oh well.
I play EVE but I would hardly say it has the best PvE, though WoW being nominated in best graphics is just as odd.
It's funny I just realised you did the same thing this year. lol
How exactly is EVE's PvP generic, and WoW PvP isn't?
In WoW a epic set 60 will kill a dozen level 20s every time.
In EVE a T2/faction-fitted BS will have varying results against 20 frigs/destroyers (odds are it will be the one who loses.
In EQ, the 60 beats the group of 20s.
In L2, the high level beats the party of Low Levels.
Same with DAOC, EQ1, UO...etc.
In WoW, a warrior is a warrior, period.
In EVE, my Raven is a missile ship, or is is a NOSsing sensor-damp ship with armor tank?
Maybe It's a blaster and NOS boat (bear with me EVE players :P). Maybe It's an armor and shield tanked Missile boat.
Maybe those missiles are cruise, maybe they're torps, hell maybe they're only heavy missiles. Maybe I'm carrying shield and armor transfers ECM and an armor tank.
Maybe, just maybe, my Raven isn't forced to be one thing, and one thing only when it comes time to kill your ship. Your warrior will always be a warrior when you come to kill me. You won't be throwing fireballs, or sneaking up on me.
How exactly is EVE PvP generic? The game itself is unique FFS.
I could seriously care less WHO wins as long as it had at least the APPEARACE of being legit. clicking through the final votes and seeing only two games is LAME no matter how you slice it.
I thought the editors where going to add in a nominee in each catagory and filter out games that simply don't belong? Sure they got the most vote but you need to at least include anoother choice at least. Claiming they were the top voters by a huge margin then having ANOTHER Vote just between them is retarded at best.
personally i think ALL playNC games have better graphics than both EVE and WoW, as well as better PvP than WoW... i think staff members should be the ones that nominate picks since this is clearly not really the most accurate way of seeing what is best in the MMO world
(i mean cmon WoW shouldnt even be up there for graphics... that was a little rediculous IMO)
omg and storyline too? as far as i could tell WoW and EVE had NO storyline (when i tried them) so why are they even up there for that category in the first place? i think guildwars is the only MMO that has a good storyline to it... even though it does get dull after a while =/
I meant PvE...not PvP!
I fear the day CCP gives real AI to EVE NPCs though.
EVE has an open ended gameplay where the focus is the community. The game provides tools to enchance this unique aspect. The game is not for everyone and it will never be. EVE is a pretty much a Gibson Les Paul combined with a Marshall 1967, only a few will truly understand it's value. I played from the Beta to the retail and then a few months on and off and here and there... I haven't explored at least 60% of the game.
Most people won't see the difference between a Yamaha guitar at 500$ versus the Gibson at 3000$. Actually most people will prefer the Yamaha because it's easier to learn, it's easier to play and it's not as deep or heavy (weight) as the Gibson. The Yamaha fret board is made for the casual and hardcore players in mind, it's made to be easy to use and easy to change. The Gibson on the other hand is hard to play, the fret board is a bit bigger and the guitar is very heavy, it takes time for someone to enjoy it.
WoW is fun, it's a game where you can log in and quickly start doing some damage. It's primary focus is to tell the player a story and try to make him live the adventure. An advance player can get L60 in under 2 weeks without the help of anyone. The gear is easy to get until the raids start kicking in but this is where the game lacks for me. The game doesn't provide any tools for the community to flourish. Instances and Raid dungeons are not tools... The only reason you go in these dungeons is for you and you only. Entire guilds die because of loot fighting and such... WoW feels generic, unique items do not exist. Unique Characters do not really exist except for their gear... Exploring the game is a matter of weeks if you are hardcore. WoW is the Yamaha guitar, it's great looking, it plays perfectly, it's easy to use and will make both veteran and newbies shine on it.
Both games are so different though, it's weird to compare them. If Earth and Beyond was still around, maybe and I do say maybe... EVE could M A Y B E have a proper competitor. Until pirates of the burning sea is out, I do not see the point of comparing both.
I for one find EVE's PvE fun.
True it does not even come close to PvP and honestly should not even be compared to it, but PvE can be interesting if played with low end ships and equipment. Not to mention with the instanced areas that abound throuout the whole game universe give even beginning players a chance to see some of the best and biggest explosions in any MMO.
I dont have much experence in MMOs I have only played EVE and SWG because I'm not really into fantasy ( Elder Scrolls and Lord of the Ring being the very few exceptions) and a majority of MMos out there are fantasy. But I love playing EVE because it lets me play my way, I dont need to be shown were to go or what to do to get the best gear or loot, I rather find that on my own, true I dont expect others to be this way, but it seems to me that there is enough people out there that DO think like this or EVE would never be this popular on this site.
Of cource the fact that EVE was down twice for an extended period MAY have something to do with the votes herer lol.
but I wonder how the votes would look if the "none of the above" option was valad for ALL catagories. I liked it for the one catagory it was in.
L2 forums wouldn't matter because farmers won't care to vote for the game.
FFX players are too busy trying to find parties that will last more than 30 seconds.
SoE is too busy killing their games to mention a website's read's choice awards.
WoW could have it mentioned on their boards, but Blizzard has damn near 0 interaction with players, whereas alot of EVE players not only have interacted with devs, but actually get to known them and care about their players.
Besides, do you think hordes of WoW players would come swarming here? Most likely no, because to be honest, the majority of those 7 million couldn't give a damn about the game's image, and it'd take away from their complex spamming, or boar killing in the forest.
It is odd only two finalists in each catagory, but as these are read choice awards, if the vast majority of readers areEVE/WoW players, then even having other games listed, isn't going to cause one of them to oust EVE or WoW, now is it? ;)
Very astute observation
Despite being a sell professed EVE fanboi I have to say that the inclusion in best PvE is a tad over the top...
Nevertheless as the poster above has pointed out EVERYONE had an opportunity to vote on the finalists, every developer had the chance to highlight the awards to their fanbase - if EVE is the only MMORPG where the devs can actually be bothered to inform their readers of the awards (and the existence of MMORPG.com) then fair play to them.
I first started reading MMORPG.com around 4/5 years ago when I played a game called Planetarion - and the reason I did - because the Devs behind Planetarion told everyone on thhose forums to support the game in a vote on here...
And if you think that today's voting system is bad please remember that back in those days you didnt even need to be registered (let alone have any posting/activity record) before you could vote.
If EVE fans are dedicated enough to sign up here and actually vote what does that actually tell you about the game. If they were dissatisfied would they even bother going through the rigmarole?
My online gaming goes right back to MUDS played on the old network at uni. Since then I have played all manner of online games from text based games like Planetarion, through to WoW and EVE. All have their attractions in many ways - however for me EVE is the ultimate and I have been playing it for three years now and it just gets better and better.
Do I dislike other MMORPGs - no I dont and I try many of them but EVE drags me back as it does most of its subscribers. Please tell me how many other MMORPGS are still increasing their subscriber numbers over 3 years after they launch?
Yes total EVE subscriber numbers are comparitively small when compared to WoW's but the game (and the developer) started small with a fresh IP, without the built in fanbase, hype and sheer marketing blitz of Blizzard.
Anyway going on now so will stop
The nominations are based 100% on YOUR voting.
We've learned a lesson though. Last year we did nominations and everyone attacked us demanding open categories. This year we did open categories and everyone attacked us demanding nominations. Next year, we'll try a combination of the two
I realize it's tough to see two games dominate, especially if you don't play either. The fact was though they were the only two games to get statistically significant votes in most of the categories. I could have nominated other games for show, but when you put two games that had votes in the 30s and 40s vs a bunch of games that had less than 5% of the vote, we're just perpetuating a charade.
I had hoped people would vote for the category and not for the game, but sadly it didn't turn out that way and there is nothing to be done but see the thing through.
I don't really see the point of doing this considering the fact there is a community-based rank of the recommended games aka popularity wars. It's just about which game has most subscribers willing to come here willing to help improve the image of their game, not about the game quality itself. Reader's Choice Awards is pointless and we'll see funny unfundamented finalists such as WoW for *generic* PvP, EVE for PvE, WoW for storyline, WoW for graphics, etc.
GW have also a different unique PvP. You will really never ever see another game with a PvP similar to GW. WWII also has a different type of PvP.
D&D Online has great storyline.
Of course, I can only comment on experiences I've had myself. Even though I have a side fully dedicated to GW for its uniqueness, I have a side that wants fairness. EVE deserved its awards on some categories, in others clearly not, same for WoW even though it can be compared to any other generic MMORPG around, like RF Online, Knight Online, EQ, EQII, L2, Archlord and others which I have not experienced. I really look forward the Choice from the Editors, hoping they are fair enough and to their votes based on some solid knowledge, not picking EVE as the one that will appeal as the one that is most likely to rally its players to MMORPG.com as a means of saying "thanks for helping us!". Can't comment on WoW, the player base is huge enough that even a small percentage of it being mature would result in a huge number.
WoW's PvE is indeed more fun when you start the game, but it soon becomes SO INCREDIBLE pointless as you continue, that it just starts sucking big time. PvE in EVE may not be as good (or as pretty) as in EQ2, but it sure as hell is a lot more meaningful than PvE in WoW
But as far as the complaints of all the grinding for loot in WoW. I remember a LOT of not so fun grinding in Eve for money (and/or mins which in turn led to ships/loot.) Mining was grinding (horrible grinding.) Ratting was grinding. Complexes were grinding. And mission running was a grind(and gotta be honest, ain't a WHOLE lot of missions to choose from in Eve.) The PVP was BRILLIANT in Eve, but I still had a different kind of fun with the PVP in WoW.
Anyways, other than PvP, gave WoW my votes because I really think it raised the bar for upcomming MMORPGs , especially with character control - just SO fluid and "free" feeling. I can't STAND the fact that in Guild Wars for example, there's all these invisible barriers in the landscape. And just the first maybe 3 or 4 months of WoW's release were so FUN! It definately didn't hold me past about a year, but that's about as long as I lasted in Eve. Great game, but at least when i was last playing, the PVP in eve was turning into "hurry up and wait..."
Two amazing games in my opinion! Neither kept my attention for EVER, but I'm sure I'll jump back into both of em at some point just to see what they've evolved into.
A WoW vs EVE battle is utterly stupid. There are multiple categories for a reason. At least give us more than 2 or 3 per category!
Whatever the voting this year results in, it'll definitely be a farce.
Why wasn't there a "None of the Above" on ALL of those votes? The only time I spotted it was when Eve and WoW WEREN'T in the options :/
It would be preferable the next time you do polls that have only two choices that a third 'None of The Above' be added, i notice in one of the categories you did do this. I would like to register a vote but since neither of the choices would have been my preference I ended up voting for the game i disliked the least. If many people think the same way as me you are going to end up with results that are not truly indicative of what your members think.
Well said Naar.
I actually found myself backtracking to the intro page to re-read what I was voting for, and whether it was not just the Best Of Two Awards or something.
Very silly way to hold a vote imo. These 'extremist' communities (EVE, Vanguard etc) could get everyone to flood the initial votes, and then you get what we got here for the final votes.
By using only the highest % winners or whatever, I highly doubt you used a balance of the mmorpg.com community, but rather a 'who can drum up the most support' rigged awards thing...
I understand you saying how it's also about drawing people to your site, but I think it's fair to say this was an experiment that went drastically wrong, and doesn't have a positive effect overall.
Why not just keep it 'simple' and list the top 5+ percentage winners or something. I highly doubt EVE and WoW got 100% of the vote between them...
Better luck next year MMORPG.com, and you fail outright for not having Hero's Journey on the Most Anticipated list anyways!
Well im interested in seeing the award winners...well not really because we all know EVE is gonna win every category, except for maybe best story which Ryzom should win, hey i got an idea you should rename this site to EVEfanboiMMORPG.com
It's obvious to me the voting here is primarily done by those who do not frequent this site that often and rather by those coming in from voting campaigns for EVE and WoW. WoW has the massive player base and EVE has the centralized, organized community.
I doubt more than 15% of voters have played more than their primary MMOG and perhaps one other in the last year. Maybe 10% have played others longer than a 10 hour trial.
Reader's Choice Awards are the Best Organized Playerbase Awards ;)
The outpouring of EVE hate is amazing. Where were all of these people during the nominations? And how many of these will now vote 'anything but EVE'?
My games didn't make it and I voted...big deal. Get over it.
I may actually try EVE just to see if the hate is justified.
I think the issue of so many categories being limited to EVE vs WoW has more to do with 2006 having been a weak year for new MMOs. I suspect next year will give us more choices, no matter how the editors set up the voting.
If we'd want to give everyone a choice (not WoW or EVE), then i think we should get rid of the "finalists" option. I think that would work up to a point.
So far, the only category i found remotely interesting was "most anticipated games".
Anyway..Now i'm just looking forward to Editor's Choice Awards
I don't understand why the people that hate EVE can't see its good points. Sure it has it's weak spots just like any other game but as far as PVP and Story go you can't beat EVE. Especially on story. EVE should win that category hands down. I love Ryzom but it's story isn't half as interesting or in depth as EVE's ever evolving lore. The one thing i don't understand is how it can be in the best PVE category. EVE's PVE is barely better than Korean point and click potion spamfests. Only barely.
Also, no Darkfall Online in the 'Anticipated' category. Bah!
Maybe next year you should limit the voting to people who have at least 20 posts. I also think you should have a none of the above category as well as only have one round of voting. None of this finalist garbage.
Also you have said that last year you had open voting. That is not true at all. You had a limited set of choices.
I agree. I am an avid supporter of EVE Online and I did no rate it's PvE as mentionable. It needs a huge amount of improvement before it's on par with other games. Dungeon & Dragons Online has awesomely narrated PvE which is probally the best I've experianced. Too bad there wasn't pre-cu SWG servers or it would be winning some of these categories.
World of Warcraft deserves honorable mention for the best questing experiance regardless of what is awarded to it.
There's a nasty type-o on the graphics portion of the polls. It incorrectly refers to EVE's future "directX9" when it should be "DirectX10".
One thing that confuses me is how WoW is getting mentioned for it's graphics when Guildwars and EQ2 are far superior. Of course I think WoW is overall better even though the detail is inferior. To me that's one sign of a good game. (I do not like the game play in WoW while I am able to acknoledge it's overall quality, or lack thereof)
I agree.
for the inability to identify quality you simpily have to look at some of the posts to see why this is:
"Eve wins again, big suprise when a game dosn't require you to be there to gain skills, you can have a ton of downtime with that title so allot come on forums etc. Obviously allot of Eve players at this site. Maybe you should rename it MMORPGEVE. COM lol."
There's nothing wrong with that quoted view. Some kids haven't had the opportunity to experiance quality. Growing up on McDonalds cheesburgers is a crime agasint humanity. Even then, puberty is possibly years away for some of them...
Considering the complaints about all the eve threads in the general forum section I would say that a large part of this community are either eve players or at least people that find eve a good game even if it doesn't fit them.
If I look at the forum sections here only the following games have more posts than EVE
Dark and Light, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, Starwars Galaxies and World of Warcraft.
DnL, EVE and GW are all very close to each other in posts.
I kind of doubt Starwars Galaxies are going to get many votes, that leaves just 2 games that can be said to have a larger community on this site which might vote for it than EVE and both those are represented in the finals.
Dark and Light is the only Top 5 size community on this site that is not represented in the finals.
This responce is more to show that there are people in EVE that would actualy vote for the PvE honestly. Especialy since there are some corps (guilds) and even aliences(guilds of guilds) that are ENTIRELY mission-running oriented (and/or RP and don't mind mission running cause they scream wierd stuff over voice).
As for our community, I think it's really strong. The community is what makes eve eve, so almost all of us (read majority) participate in outside activities from eve or other things in eve. Considering EVE is a sanbox game this really shouldnt' come as much of a surprise to the kinds of actions that players take.
;-) And yes, a lot of us actualy DO read this site, that's why that news article gets posted on the EVE webby. Though many of us (on this site) I fear are like myself, lurkers :-P.
P.S.: This year was horrible MMO wise, I found myself trying all the MMOs that came out this year only to be SORELY dissapointed. it was so sad, hopefully 07 will make up for it.
Hope this Helps,
Aselus
So many people trash the PVE in eve but really these are mostly (yeah i'm assuming) peopl,e who havn't spent much time out in 0.0 space working with gang mates, command ships, and so on trying to assault a complex or find new complexes with exploration... or salvage, build rigs, harvest gas clouds and so on. Granted these are new but they are there
Eve pvp may not come close to the politics, pvp, and infrastructure of the game but.. it sure beats "LFG!"
edit: erk, not to mention all the empire stuff: Missions, research, invention, mining (ergh), production, trade, market/contract playing, margin-profiting, share-broking (100% player driven but it's there) COSMOS, POS reactions, moon harvesting, outpost construction (massively large-scale but doable) and so on..
I read these comments and I am amazed, why are we bashing an MMORPG that is succeeding? First the PVE argument, NO game has good PVE, in the end they are all grind. Eve however continues to expand their PVE, giving it more depth and options that any other game in my experience.
Next the complaint that they called for votes on their forum. The response should be an indicatior of how loyal and strong their player base is. Now if thier base is that strong they must have a fairly impressive game.
Eve offers an opened ended and depth of play that none of the others truly touch. Plus CCP as a company is second to NONE in supporting their base. Add to this a player base that has gone forward and created a magazine, 2 radio stations, TV coverage, the list can go on a long time. NO game has ever had this level of player base support, the question is why? The answer is easy, Eve is the BEST MMORPG out right now.
here is no such thing as an instance in EVE.
An Instance would be, you and I warp to a complex, I enter it, then you enter it, and we each have our own version to play in.
In EVE, if you warp into a complex, odds are I'm coming in to kill you or ransom you if it's lowsec.
If you have 35% of the votes for WoW, 45% of the votes for EVE, and the remaining 20% are in the trashcan, or abstain because of no trashcan, the results are still the same.
just bitching im done for now
I can end-game WoW in a month, and hit the 'level cap' in that time as well.
Hitting the 'level cap' in EVE will take something like 28 years, if no new skills are added in the next 28 years, and there is no 'end game'.
I can level and grind in WoW while looking at a different screen. I can do it in EVE as well, but in EVE, I have the problem of a war target or pirate coming along and wasting my ass.
Yes, there's alot of EVE players at this site. It says alot about EVE and WoW when there are more people here from a 150k playerbase, than a 7million playerbase. It says alot of things, such as EVE having a bigger impact on its players and vice versa. If even 1% of WoW's playerbase spent 30 seconds coming here between their complex grinds for purples, you'd have WoW winning everything, everytime.
However, to paraphrase a racist:
WOW FANS DON'T CARE ABOUT MMORPG.COM AWARDS.
And spare me the garbage about having to pay so much attention to WoW compared to EVE, and if you try to argue WoW PvP vs EVE PvP you've already lost. It's not hard to play WoW or EVE and multitask.
Seriously, what's sad is these "rewards" often end up on other gaming sites, as some kinda of great feat that the MMORPG community at large, looks the most forward to X, or thinks Y has best graphics, or Z has best story.. ect. Because bottom line is they mean jack all when the options to vote is so limited that it's either EVE or WoW.
Plus the "rallying" various companies goes through to artificially inflate the polls is ridiculous.
If it's little more then a popularity contest, then why bother? With the pollls and "rewards".
If EVE was made in Asia you wouldn't say that.
The votes were made by the people who visit this site. People vote for their game, it's that simple....and justice for all.
In my opinion EQ2 is currently the best MMORPG on the market.
Isn't DAoC dead or on life support? That'd be a pretty good reason. :P
Hi, I've lurked on here from time to time, but all this Eve hate has drawn me to post.
Why you ask is Eve in the pve catagory, and why would someone vote for it over say *shudders* Wow?
First let me clarify how I define pve. Pve is what you do to progress in a game that does not involve combat with another player. This include procurement of in game wealth, gaining 'experience points," gaining status, even personal amusment.
Quite simply Wow pve is a time sink. It's amusing to look at, as much in that game, but utterly pointless and lacking in depth. Like the rest of wow, it's a grind. At most (yes I've played it, gotten a couple of characters up into the high 40's before giving up in disgust) there is a "gee that's kinda neat" factor the first time though, and then it's just blah.
Eve on the other hand, offers an amazing depth of pve. It's not much eyecandy, though taking the first ship from your new production yard for a spin, or watching your bank reports add up those green lines from another sucessful business play is personally satisifying. One can salvage, trade, mine, research, produce, invest, steal, explore, mission run, social engineer, and empire build off the top of my head. All for pve, and all can be done solo or with others as you enjoy. Furthermore the pve is effected by the game community, so it is not static. Prices, values, and rewards all fluctuate to the realistic economic model that fuels everything in that universe.
So there you have it, why I voted for Eve for best PVE. If you don't agree that's fine, go vote against it. Sadly Wow is a poor competitor imo.
By the way, what is Wow even doing in the pvp catagory? Battlegrounds are a silly minigame, real pvp in Wow (using the term loosely) died when the nixed attacking the towns.
Madcat Adams
Its pure and simple.... nothing as far as any MMO out there has anything original with their PVE other then their company named NPC's. Eve is the most original out of all the mmos currently offered, Ive personally taught players who some would call Know-it-all's and they Still didnt know much about EVE and what it had to offer.... the game has an endless learning curve with endless possibilities in any catagory u place it. Where as any MMO that has been offered before its even launched, already has a huge portion of the game and u wont see too much more for content other then the odd story, mabey a cool looking movie...or a new charcter that you would have to RE-level. but nothing like what the EVE universe has expanded into... and nothing to even touch the endless possibilities that the Developers could add to the game and are currently working on. Where some are thinking about releasing a sequal to their MMO eve continues to be more diverse.
PVE in eve would take the average user a month to learn so that they could be comforatble with anything... where as a 6yr old kid could pick up WOW and start plaing it decently... As far as WoW touching every kid at heart and having a bigger market range for its demographic, is the only reason its a player... because as far as game content and innovation goes... they are lacking, they have been doing the same thing for years before. All they added was a Warcraft theme to the charcters. Nothing they offered is new nothing they are going to offer is new and they are running dry of content...
as far as PVE in detail about eve... ull never touch the amount of ship types, race type, faction type, moduals, space. there is just too many variables not to come up against something new if u are looking for it. and if u are looking foward to grinding out the same ships again and again its there for u to do aswell. complete freedom to do any MMO activity there is including ones exclusive to EVE and scales only to which EVE knows.
Ive played almost any decent looking MMO, and ive stuck with eve for 2 years without regret while trying to find something better... other then the apperance of the upcomming STO, nothing compares... and anything else gets boring in a month.
*Looks like voters weren't voting with objectivity like they should have on some of those. Readers choice rewards suck, because the readers can't be trusted to give an unbiased vote.
"Voting with objectivity"? "Unbiased choice". Every vote is a judgement call, which means that it is subjective. That is true for graphics, playing experience, everything. There is no such thing as objectivity in votes, or reader's choice rewards or indeed in any review by professional reviewers. And nor should there be. There would be no point to votes if the result could be determined by only applying a set of objective criteria.
My main issue with this type of choice is that I (and quite a few others, I guess) know only one game well enough. So I really can't compare EVE with WoW for the simple reason that I have never played WoW (unlike quite a few others, I guess :-)
This is always going to be a bit of a farce because of the sheer numbers who have played each game and who are voting. WoW has a hefty number who have played WoW, and EvE Online has a hefty number of people who have been voting for it. So I think it was an inevitably really, just a bit surprised Guild Wars did not feature more.
As nearly no one has played the majority of MMOGs out there so he could judge based on his own experience, the other categories seem pointless to me.
I voted EVE PVE as number one for the simple fact that I've played both EVE and WoW in PVE "mode"
EVE has lots of PVE, be it at belts whilst mining or getting that sec status up. Could be Lo-sec ratting or could be missions, from lvl1 to high end lvl4 or top end complex hunts.
Sure sometimes its a grind and with missions at least its very samey.
The difference between all that and the WoW PVE... bar the actual setting of the PVE its essentialy the same thing.
Now the reason I voted for EVE. It asks which PVE I enjoyed the most. Out of both games, both of them involving very repetative grinding at times, both of them failing to offer much of a challenge on most occasions, I enjoyed the EVE PVE most.
You think I should vote for WoW just because I voted EVE for PVP, GFX etc? Why? I voted truthfully given the choices I had and far from mindlessly.
Graphics: EVE still gives me tingles. Probably are some better, but not that were nominated.
PvP: EVE really is the best there.
PvE: [abstained]
Story: EVE- I love the sci-fi, and the weekly short stories and chronicles really are of exceptional standards (Abraxas really is a genious).
Most Anticipated: Pirates of the Burning Seas. What can I say, I love the whole nautical age-of-sail thing.
New Game: [trash can]. What can I say, the only one half deserving is Guildwars, and I barely ount that as a new game.
Overall: EVE.
My only guess as to why EVE has the PvE vote is that most people don't consider crafting, minining, trading etc PvP because they don't involve blasting other players but EvE does have an extermely intricate economy.
In the past year I have played at the very least, and in many cases actually bought the following MMO's:
Dark Age of Camelot, EQ2, SWG, Matrix Online, City of Heroes/Villains, RF Online, DDO, FFXI, WoW, and Eve
The only MMO's I'm playing right now are WoW and Eve. The rest of those might have some aspect to them that is kinda neat, but by and large they all suck donkey sack. Neither Eve nor WoW are perfect, they both have gaping flaws. I would personally like to see the Eve devs actually fix something on that game without breaking 5 other things, but at least they listen to their fans, and they fix most stuff which is more than I can say for any SOE game.
You want objectivity? After playing all those games, I'm quite sorry but WoW and Eve would be my top 2 choices in most of those categories, not to say that either is the epitome of what I want in an MMO but they truely are the best options out there based on my experiences with all those other games. The MMO genre as a whole sucks, they all have the same base gameplay elements put together with different coats of paint. Go here, kill this, loot that, equip loot, pwn noobs, rinse and repeat. Oh... yes crafting! Collect items, click the mouse a few times (and for fun in EQ2 you get to time your clicks to the right ability at the right time). I like eve for the community, and of all those games it's probably the most different, which is why i can go from WoW to eve pretty seamlessly because they are different enough that when I've had enough of one for the day i can pop over to the other.
With people bitching about the PvE nominations, the way I see it is this, WoW is great from 1-60 and then it's time to get in a raiding guild, set up a schedule like it's a part time job, and do the same damn dungeons over and over again and hope your next epic lewts drop from this boss and hope there aren't many others in the raid who need it too or raid more than you so they have priority. For eve the whole experience is kinda, well blah, but at least you can choose what pve you want to do, and you always have to watch your arse lest someone come blow you up to take all your stuff. It doesn't hold up to WoW 1-60, but it sure beats the crap out of WoW endgame repetitive raiding time.
Anyways, I could go on, but my point is that I think some of you guys are just trying to be rebels about the whole thing, or maybe you're sore that people came here from links on other sites just to vote for their favorite game, and it makes your vote mean less somehow. any award like this is going to be a fanboy award, if you want objectivity wait for the editorial awards to come along, there no point in bitching because more people didn't vote for Pedro.
To those who think EVE isn't a casual. You are seriously wrong. I would like to point out that, you never have to log in but to change skill training. You can play as little or as much as you want without falling far behind. Heck you could spend your first 3 months becomming a frigate master before even leaving the training sector.
To be at the top of the game it takes time. But if you get bored with blasting the hell out of everything in sight you arent stuck creating an alt. Just do what you want. It's the only game where it is (in theory) possible to master everything. Might take a few years yes, but in my experience, whenever someones hit the level cap in a MMO all they di is sit around and pvp or chat, possibly make an alt. But who wants an end? kinda defeats the point eh?
Hell why don't we have DAoC in the awards, they got as many players.
Use common sense mmorpg.com staff. If Hello Kitty Adventure Island was nominated by the majority would you have that also? Come on.
All in all this system is OK, but needs to be improved in the future. I hope MMORPG.COM will listen to the community as it did before.
Thank you.
but i think pve is the same.
you get a questgiver/agent. saying that something is holstile, or needed to be transported from a-b.
and you go out and kill.. whats the deference?
*This vote is a democracy, the whole point is to find out what the majority of the community thinks
*If eve wins then it's because more people voted for it, if your game doesn't win then perhaps you could get some of your friends to vote for it.
*Complaining about the fact that loads of Eve players are voting is ridiculous, they play MMOs, this is a vote for people who play MMOs, are you seeing the connection here? No Perhaps i should spell it out for you. THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO VOTE, THE FACT THAT THEY WON LAST YEAR JUST PROVES THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO TAKE TIME OUT OF THEIR LIVES TO VOTE FOR IT!
Eve has an OK PvE, not too strong and not too weak. PvE was not the most important thing. PvP, player made economy and perhaps few other things is what Eve is famous for and is great at.
I love mmorpg.com a lot. I agree often with so many of your editorials and reviews. I like how you seem to be unbiased but you lost me on these awards this year. They will mean nothing to me. Eve and WoW the only choices for best game and other awards. Give me a break! I think your reader review lists speak to were WoW sits and that is not at the top. EQ2 has gone up in ratings this year because SOE has done a great job improving this game. Yet EQ2 is not in the running for best pve or game. Just because WoW has a large customer base does not mean it is the best game. Same holds true for Eve but I at least understand why Eve is listed.
There is more to mmorpgs then WoW and for that matter Eve.Both are fine games but I think you sold many other games short. Have fun with your awards this year I will not even care what the results are. The winners will not be the best, they maybe the most popular but far from the best. Don't follow the lead of movies Academy Awards. Let us pick the true winners for their merit not what is the most popular. I will vote again next year if you actually give me a few choices. Sorry to the staff at mmorpg I love you all but you dropped the ball on this one.
If your stance is these are the games the voter picked then add 4 or 5 choices to the final voting not just 2. One way you can fix this is call the awards like best game "The most popular game" not best game. I would think the readers choices would closely match your viewer rating top 10 list. However, I am not to bright but at least I am good looking.
Are you guys serious if you say that "the votes would be more objecitve if only me and my buddys could vote"?
Sorry for sounding harsh but honestly! A vote is _never_ ever_ objctive, no matter how you twist and turn it. Even the "Editors choice awards" are subjective, all kind of votes are.
If you dont belive me, please name the exact measurment you applied to weight the pros and cons of EVEs PvE and PvP against WoW.
Which means if you are a new account ( its not more then one month old ) and you arent active at posting ( 5 -10 posts per month is very generous, dont you think) or at least you coul login once per 2-3 days. If you meet that criteria, you can vote. If not, sorry, be more active or login more often.
This will decrease spam-voting, now you actualy have to take care of your account, not a lot, just a bit, but still some effort is required for voting. Companies would have to anticipate voting and only the most devoted zealots would go through that in order to vote on a site they dont give a rats ass about (no pun MMORPG.COM). If someone doesnt care about mmorpg.com and they cant vote immediately for their fav game, i doubt most of them would go through al lthe trouble of doing it.
Trying to steer clear of the WoW vs Eve flame war, and thought I might offer some suggestions on improving the process for next year, for what they're worth.
I like the categories -- please, don't return to open voting. I like the nominations too. But it might be useful, to provide for each category, at least 4 choices. Even if the only the top two choices statistically relevant, from your nominations, there are many of us that were not here during the nomination phase, but are here for the actual voting part. Like many others, I was surprised to see WoW and Eve as the only two listed for many categories. I know I personally play a lot of other MMO's, and wouldn't have minded at least a *few* other choices, even if the nominations for them were statistically insignficant.
It might also be interesting to see, perhaps after the voting is complete, what percentage of nominations each title got for its category. For instance, in the Best PvE category, perhaps WoW got 70% of the votes, EvE got 20% of the vote (maybe there's a lot of diehard Eve Players frequenting the forums), and everything else combined for the last 10%. Putting WoW and Eve up their side by side makes it seem like they were equally represented. They weren't really, WoW was already a huge victor, but you want to have *something* to vote on.
I think it's also worth noting it's very hard to make a "Best of " end of year vote interesting in an industry that is so completely and utterly dominated by one player. The popularity of WoW over everything else in the market makes "Best Of" choices problematic at best. While it may not be all that statistically useful, I do think it would be a ton of fun and interesting to have a contest that basically said "Okay, EXCLUDING WoW, what do you think of were the Best Of for this year?"
2006 Has been a slow year for MMO's. The market is still dominated by WoW, and will be for some time, but players are coming off of that title, and starting to look elsewhere for that fix. So far, the faire we've been fed has been hardly up to the bar that's been set. RfO.. Auto Assault.. DDO.. these things promised much, but in the end simply didn't deliver.
Here's to hoping the industry is in better shape in 2007, and we have a more varied field of players next year.
Dlangar
blog: http://ofcourseillplayit.com
Eve has an OK PvE, not too strong and not too weak. PvE was not the most important thing. PvP, player made economy and perhaps few other things is what Eve is famous for and is great at.
My 2 cents...I aggree to a certain degree with your comments, but that's the difference between Siria and US - Siria has Plutocracy (it is worse than that), US - Democracy. In Siria the "citizens" are obliged to say "We hate USA" or are just brainwashed to do so. Nobody brainwashed the EVE community to come here and to vote. Nobody offered them any incetive to vote. Nobody made them forcefully to vote. Do you follow me? I live in Bulgaria - a country in Eastern Europe which joins the European Community from 1st of Jan 2007. It used to be a totalitaran communist country just 17 years ago. Now we have democracy and free elections...So what? During the last elections only 35% of the people that have the right to vote, did it actually...Now, whose fault is this? The system? The politicians? No, the problem is with the community, the society...Don't blame the system, just because you don't like the results!
The fact that the EVE community is so strong in comparison with other communities is not a coincidence - it is a unique game and it has unique core community. I think the fans of the other games have the same rights and the same opportunities as the EVE fans - they have their fan sites, fan forums etc. What's the difference? They could come here and vote, of course, only if they are ready to take the extra mile...
What do you not understand about READERS CHOICE awards?
And only a fool would think that something popular is instantly good or great. Pop culture is the perfect example. Look at some of the popular bands out right now. They're steaming piles of shit, in talent, personality, and everything else, they are simply marketed well, just like WoW. WoW is successful because they threw out every orginal idea they had when they realized they could turn it into Diablo 2's pointless grindfest, with monthly charges. Odds are you don't know that WoW was orginally made with one of the goals being an MMO that you could play casually and not be left in the dust. Considering one of the main developers for WoW is also the #1 or #2 all time no-life EQ grinder, it's to be expected. When you hire someone who's known for grinding shit more than anyone else in the history of MMOs, it's not that suprising to see they turn the game into a grind fest.
WoW is Britney Spears, used by millions of K-feds.
Use common sense troll, if a site is having awards based on what their viewers like, and they have alot of viewers from a small community, the fact that a small fraction of a percent of WoW's players come here, doesn't magically add +5 votes to each WoW fanboi's click.
PS - This is an opinino pole. If you want 'quality' poles, go look at game review sites, scientists, and statistical data to nail up on your board. What it comes down to is that poeple think their game deserves all the reward it can enjoy. To do this poeple may vote for what others might consider a 'false' or 'immoral' vote. However from others perspective it is the exact opposite.
It really does say something that a game with 1/50th the playerbase can have it's community outvote WoW... Not only do we just like the game, but we love the company! CCP is doing something right if, even after 3 YEARS, the game is still INCREASING in playerbase size - when I started playing about 15 months ago, normal online player count was between 10-15k at a time (on the same "shard" EVE ftw), now I RARELY see it drop below 20k, and a few days ago (Sunday, December 3rd) we broke a new record with 33,000 players online concurrently! All these people are bashing EVE, saying it takes no time to train stuff, or requires no effort, but you know what? if you don't PLAY and earn money, you can't do anything with those accumulated skillpoints. besides, skillpoints are no match for in-game time experience.
PhoenixHeart, Free Industries Union [FIU], EVE Fanatic
7 million WoW players, each in their own little worlds. 150,000 Eve Online subscribers, sharing one world.
Of course you'll get a more focused fanbase out of the latter! Also, CCP really does a fabulous job making the entire Eve experience a complete immersion. This is a Readers' Awards...and all I ever saw from CCP was a couple of lines and a link which said, the awards voting is underway. However I got here (the first time), I stayed to see what the entire genre is doing and Eve continues to redefine the genre, so it will dominate in it.
First, let me say that I don't think any mmorpg has gone nearly far enough in pve or pvp...but it's exciting to see the progress year after year. I've been hooked on Eve for 1 1/2 years now and I will probably still be 1 1/2 years from now!
PvP/PvE: I don't actually pvp much. I am not a grinder and the latter half of this year got a bit grinding in the PvE area...but, I've always been interested in the PvE, in missioning and corporation building, manufacturing and exploration and now salvaging (mining makes me crazy).
CCP and the subscribers have combined to build a rich back story and there is such potential for blossoming of the PvE areas...and I think the future Kali releases will actually blur the line between PvP and PvE forever...something that's already started, as shown by above comments...what is pvp and what is pve in Eve?
The drawback of lvl 4 missions to just a few repetitive kills and the total nerf of courier missions was a conscious decision to allow for rebuilding the underlying system...but it's been a trial on our patience...hopefully coming to an end as new content is sneaking back in again...which makes things less a grind and more a constantly developing pve experience. When factional warfare is released, I think the pvp/pve line will disappear and CCP will have (again) redefined the genre!
Cheers!
MilneCat
aka Etienne Merten, Prior, The Sohei Brotherhood
This is my first time ever to this site. I play Guildwars, EVE, and am a huge Warhammer fan.
I got a link to this vote at Warhammer Alliance, so I came to make a vote. I was thrilled to see so many EVE options, but saddened that it was so often paired off against WoW.
Just the same, that being the case, I voted for EVE for PvE and just about everything else (WAR for most anticipated though!) - because usually the only other options were WoW and I disliked just about everything in that game *particularly* the PvE - worst EVER.
EVE PvE may not be the best I can imagine, but it's one hell of a lot better than the never-ending drudgery that is WoW PvE.. which is sadly all that game has.
Anyways, so I voted for EVEs. 100x better in PvE let alone everything else - nobody else can hold a candle to it at the moment (omitting Guildwars PvP and Guildwars appearance of course!)
WoW was fun for about 1 month, other than that, there is nowhere to go in that game. No matter what its all the same.
EvE, I get bored to death of the PvE, but I get bored of PvE in any game, it requires no real thought. The PvP, the PLAYER driven stories, the economics, all make it the best gaming experience I've ever had.
Hell, anytime you have alliances of 2000+ players fighting eachother, between the battles, the subterfuge, the forum community, the PR, the spin. It all creates a living breathing world that never gets boring.
Most anticipated I sent to WAR, because I loved DAOC for so long, and I love Warhammer as well.
Now to get back to plotting to take over some solarsystems and plant my flag in lawless space again.
Seriously, I think EvE is an amazing game, but PvE?! I wish people would stop voting blindly for "their" game. WoWs PvE isn't the best PvE game by a longshot (IMO) but certainly better than EvE..
1) internet has no borders so you cant compare this site to a country and voting to the elections in a country. The object of the voting here is mmorpgs, not say mmorop.com staff and CEO
2) if you spam forums all day it means you enjoy this more than playing your favourite MMORPG (so i would like to see a new game in all categories : Forum spam MMORPG , for these frustrated types)
3) I voted for eve. Stuff it !
The system could do with refining next year, though- how EVE and WoW are considerd best PvE is beyond me- EVEs PvE is pretty lacklustre, and I refuse to believe WoWs tedium is *the best* of all out there.
How about next year something like this- 2 options are nominated by a vote, as this year, while another 1 (or 2) are chosen by the editors as their top favourites. That way it atleast ensures that the actual *best* in category (as far as the site's editors are concerned, anyway) get to the finals.
I mean even in the graphics category- EVE still gives me warm fuzzy feelings and is deffinatly better than WoW or EQ2, but I honestly doubt it really is the best graphics of any MMO on the market. Even if the game itself is crap, if its graphics are good it should be a nominee for graphics................
stop making a new account, voting for your fav game... making a new account, registering, voting... and so on so on. How does THAT reflect community opinion?
1) i only voted once and i'm pretty sure they check the IP of the voters too
2) i dont tell you to stop doing anything , you dont tell me to stop either ok
3) if your assumption were true, theres nothing stopping the WoW hardcore fans from doing the same kind of abuse (actually i also have an active WoW subscription but i prefer playing eve)
go sell that horse somewhere else cuz im not buying it
PS this sure looks like a new account yeah
I guess one's opinion of PvE depends on what they consider PvE to be...
I voted Eve over WoW in PvE just because of the economic system, the skill system, and the 'crafting' system... All Player (me) vs. Environment (game) elements to me, so that's how I voted.
WoW has PvE - a really bad A.I. grindfest punctuated by the occasional really bad PvP experience.
Lets all face it, the reason WoW is so successful is because it runs well on 5.5 million chinese Pentium III machines, which upped the user count and made the game a 'must have' because obviously everyone else was playing it.
And while I don my Nomex suit, I'll mention that I played WoW for around two years, and a year of that was pretty hardcore - so hardcore I trekked across the US to go to BlizzCon with the rest of the guild to play in the tournaments... But ultimately I had more fun getting to 60 than I ever did at 60, and once I'd run the gamut from 1 to 60 on both sides of the faction fence the love affair was over.
Sorry.
Haha omg I just love people that say "He is entitled for his oppinion so STFU !!!!!11". Thats so sickening, its hard to describe it with words.
That is gross over-generalization. I was sort of replying in that same spirit.
1) I wasnt realy claiming u did. But some people might do it.
2) Not telling you to stop doing anything, bro.
3) Yup, thats why I was suggesting to have some limitations on who can vote, but nothing as radical as top 30% posters as your post would suggest.
Just because you don't like eve PvE doesn't mean that there aren't thousands of people who do... more than half of the players of EVE online don't ever go into 0.0 (pvp area). I know people who think mining is relaxing, who find mission running enjoyable, and who really, really have a good time when they get a gang of 20 T1 frigs and plow out some level 3 missions together.
just because some of you were unable to find things that make PvE in eve fun, doesn't mean that a huge player base hasn't.
There is one simple thing that people need to remember: For every person that is a pieRATe, a 0.0'r, an anti-pirate or just likes to shoot other people, there are 40-50 that have absolutely 0 interest in PvP and are playing EvE. The beauty of the entire game is that you are free to do as you pretty much wish, as long as you are willing to accept the ramnifications of those actions.
We have miners, we have builders, we have pirates, we have PvPers, we have NPCers, we have anti-pirates, we have salvagers. And we have many in each category and most drift between those basic goals. We have people that never leave their stations, we have people that can't enter civilized space becaause of the crimes they have committed. And we have all steps in between. And now the 4 major societies in the EvE universe are preparing to go to war, meaning more mayhem and destruction.
I am what you would call a Carebear in EvE. I exclusively mine and PvE. I have never fired a shot at another player (though I have participated in a stand off between two groups). I have absolutely NO interest in PvP.
EvE got my vote straight across the board because it is the only game since NWN released 5 1/2 years ago that has kept my interest for more than 2 weeks. That to me is a lot more worthy voting category than whether something's "content" is up to your opinion of good enough.
Or 5 like in Oscar awards .. diversity is good
Having been a professional musicia, pplaying classical, jazz, and rock/pop, yes, I am, and I know there is no 'talent' behind many of the popular groups, they are marketed well to the mindless masses, just as WoW is marketed to the people who jumped into Diablo 2's ability to grind forever because of the chance of a random item generating and being good.
So that the 3rd one can end up with 10% of the votes and do nothing, much like a 3rd party in say, the Us government?
I am posting here to give credit to EVE's PvE experience. Quite frankly, there are many, many casual gamers in the EVE universe, although they're probably quite a bit smarter than WOW's casual players (perhaps even WOW's hardcore players for that matter, but I would be rude to generalize). I take part in some of the hardcore aspects, but I also spend a lot of casual time in Empire space, running missions, which in most cases are PvE. I find the PvE experience in EVE to be very consistent with the backstory (which is itself an accomplishment never before seen in online science fiction), and I find the PvE experience very rewarding.
I could have said all of that in one or two sentences, but I figured I would blather on for a bit and make up for the many years that I haven't been posting here. I probably won't read your replies, so flame away.
Laugh it up, EVEangenlists...
If EVE continues to be nominated and win categories where they suffer problems, they'll take that as a sign that there are no problems with EVE as it stands. Then all your fees will go toward fixes and enhancements for things you do not need, negleting those things you do need.
One of these days, a game that is far worse than EVE Online will be able to rally far more voters than you, and it will start winning awards EVE should win.
If EVE can play the fansites like they have played this one, then anyone else can do the same thing. Soon, perhaps very soon, awards that should rightfully go to EVE will go to games that suck far worse than EVE, and they will be the ones who put up the full page ads with the MMORPG.com badges.
There is no such thing as an "award that should rightfully go to EVE" and I doubt that a game that sucks could rally the fans so much that they are willing to out vote everything else.
(One person voting multiple times under different accounts is a moot point for all the games attempting to be represented with this poll as a fan in any of the games can do it. Because games other than EVE have a larger subscription base, you would expect more of these kinds of things occur for those games. Making EVE fall behind even farther in the poll, which has not occurred.)
Even if EVE loses, the other companies should be asking themselves why CCP was able to come up with this kind of showing in the first place. Sure Blizzard and Sony have the large subscription base, but that base doesn't seem to care about the game they play.
edit: Or maybe Blizzard and Sony just don't let their subscribers know that this kind of poll is going on. Which doesn't make much sense, because it is free publicity (and what kind of company would turn that down?).
I actualy joined this site today mainly beacuse of a post to another forum about the readers choice awards. When I looked and saw the 2 contenders and the fact that they appear to be even in all respects I kinda though that some "new blood" would help this process. The big glaring things were things like the graphics ratings etc. EVE online is a nice game for many things (ie the economy and the business end etc) but one thing it does not do well in is graphics. Yes they are nice, but they certainly aren't original or even imaginative. I was very surprised to see them in the best graphics category. Anyhow this is obviously isn't honest voting or the people who play eve have never played any other games and so have no comparison (which I find hard to believe hehe) .
Anyhow so now I come to vote as well to help remove games from categories they have no bussiness being in. (I also hate WoW hehe but I think they do good in the realm of graphics) It looks to me like a lot of people are just blindely voting cause they want their game to win cause its fun and they are not taking into account its shortcomings
anyhow bye
Agreed.... Eve and WOW..hmm.. so overrated game... Most of players of those game have tons of time to vote... I'd played both games for few months.. Nothing really really special about that... Trust me, next year, gonna be same all over again... I dont even trust the game rating on this site anymore..
So you say the graphics of eve are bad but wow is good.
I say the graphic in eve is very good but wow was outdated before it even hit the stores.
Now, who is blindly Voting? You? Me?
All categorys are highly subjective but apparently only a minority of this forum wants to accept this and blames others of "cheating" in the votes.
I didnt come to enter a debate with you I pointed out that there are a lot of games out there with better graphics and I can't for the life of me figure out how a game with outdated old graphics got onto a readers choice awards nor do I wish to speculate on why it did either....
I also didn't come here to be flamed or accused of stuff I didn't say!
For the record I would like to vote for none of these because there is MUCH better out there it simply doesn't give me the option I can only choose from the two listed which in my opinion neither of them diserve the best graphics award category period. That is the point ....
Eve for the win, and not that children game WOW, where can be lvl 40 in two days.
EVE is starting to show its age, but it still is a gorgeous game- watching a battle in EVE or flying through some of the beautiful environments still gives me tingles every time, and there isn't another game that can claim that. However high tech the engine is, I honestly can't see myself getting tingles over elves and wizards.
I expect there were more deserving games to make it in tot hat category, though- how WoW got in there was a joke.
Ok make a cuppa tea… you’ll be here a while. BTW this is a Pro WoW post.
I played EVE once... over an hour into the tutorial I was lost and confused, a very hard game to get into which is why it has such low player figures I guess, but a friend of mine plays and he loves it but for me I want to play a game not listen to a VERY annoying voice for 2 hours.
MMORPG.com is 90% wow haters we all know that but I’m sure a good number of the haters haven’t even played the game which is sad.
Wow PVE
Wow has great PvE from 1-60 (the first time round) you can do it solo or group and believe me it much better in a group, and to the guys who say "I got to 60 in 2 weeks", can I ask do you have a job/school? u must of played for 15 hours a day 7 days a weeks and just grinded mobs.. sounds like u botted the whole thing, took me about 3.5 months form 1-60 my first time around playing about 20 hours a week.
Yes End game PvE is a bore but most playersguilds bring it upon themselves. As soon a new dungeon is opened they don’t spend the time to learn how to kill the bosses etc they go straight to Google and get a guide of how to do it, thus taking all the fun out of the whole experience.
WoW PvP
Wow also has the best PvP of any MMORPG I’ve ever played And I have played many, Guild wars (call that PvP?).
But PvP is what you make it, currently my alliance guild have what we call "30 minute rumbles" with a horde guild on our server, We go to a secluded area of the game world near a grave-yard and just fight it out for 30mins none stop, the horde leader and alliance leader have a mod called "kill count" that counts how many times each side has lost a player and after the fight we see who has won, its great fun, both sides are mic'd up so we can shout, swear etc. Beats the hell out of running BWL for the 30th time, what other game can you see 80 players battling it out?
We also raid horde capital citys atleast once a week and with the new patch we can kill vendors, quest gives and just simply wipe the whole city out while the horde players and town guards try to stop us. TOP FUN!
WoW PvP and controlling the character in general is so fluid it a joy, you can jump over obstacles, hide behind objects, go swimming etc. I’ve not seen this any other MMO do this, guildwarz wins the "WTB jump button" and the “omg another invisible wall” award.
WoW GFX
So much bashing of wow gfx going on, you have to remember art direction as well as gfx, wow never was designed to have realistic graphics it when for the cartoonanim look. Where as games like EVE, GW, EQ went more for realistic graphics, but ask your self this, In 3 years which graphics will look more dated?
Wow community
Many here say wow community....full of kids, with 7 million players there will be some kids, but get your self into a guild and get communicating, nothing like login on and getting a whisper from a guild member who wants a hand with a quest or there’s a space in a Raid that needs filling. As with PvP its down to you to get active in the community.
Yes WoW can be classed as a simple/dumb down game, but its still the only Pickup'n'Play MMORPG out there, but If you enjoy sitting through 2 hours tutorials wondering around towns cus you don’t know what to do, then go ahead and enjoy EVE and EQ.
Wow for president!!
Seriously this "voting" is a joke. I don't know who made up the rules for this but you guys need to sit down and rethink them. Horrible, just horrible!
First off, how can EVE Online, which came out in 2003, be even in the run for best graphics of 2006? If your going to have the best graphics of '06 then it should be for games that came out in '06, or games that had new graphics added or redon to make them better. You should have just called it best graphics of all time, and leave out the damn year.
Second, the fact the almost all the choices for all your questions involved either Eve Online or WoW is screwed up. You fan boys seriously need to play other games. Who made up the rules for these questions, and made the decision that all the questions will involve answering Eve Online or WoW.
Third, you should have had the "trash can" option for all the questions like you did for the one. I only voted on one question and the was the one for Most Anticipated, Star Trek Online. All the other questions and answers were garbage, which is where they belong.
This voting this year is a stright dissappointment to all the other games out there who are not Eve Online and WoW. Again I will say it, HORRIBLE, just HORRIBLE!
I have to say it, although I know it's been said before.
All of you folks who are ragging on the "READER'S CHOICE" votes need to rethink YOUR position.
This is the READER'S CHOICE. It doesn't have to make sense (as in some cases it does not). It truly does give you a great opportunity to see what the community is made up of. Knowing now what the community here is made up of, don't you think it silly to rip all of those people a new one?
Too often I see people flaying the staff and moderators here for topics that are beyond their control. I believe I read another post somewhere in the 18 pages of posts here, that also said what I'm about to...
MMORPG.com puts this vote up for the benefit of its readership. They are not forced to, it's a service they provide to promote discussion (and obviously it worked!). I highly doubt that they would have "rigged" the vote - that's just plain stupid.
So I guess my point is, stop complaining about how horrible it is and rigged and blah blah blah, etc etc etc.
Instead, take comfort in the fact that we have a staff and moderators here that take the time to ask the readership what THEY think, whether it makes sense or not. Come on people, give credit where credit is due at least!
Next year, I suspect we'll revisit the format again.
You'd better because this is a joke.
Actually, I believe that by him saying they will "Revisit the format again" - that means they're going to use the same format again next year - but please correct me if I'm wrong.
WoW:
Aging graphics engine (no updates in sight)
Popular for anyone who can point and click. (easy to play)
PVE - Nice, but you're really playing a PVP game
PVP - Have you seen the WoW South Park episode? Nuff said...
End game in 6-18months.
Players cannot add/change game content
Clogged servers, 10k User limit per server instance
Players - A LOT of subscribers, but limited by server instancing
EVE:
Aging graphics engine (complete client update due before Summer)
Popular for tech heads (you have to think)
PVE - roughly a fifteen hundred PVE/nonPVP star system to go through
PVP - roughly 3500 PVP starsystems run by players (more MMO's should take notes, this is PVP done right)
Players can add/change game content.
No forseeable endgame (no skill cap, no limit on ability)
Single cluster server, no user limit (still holding the PCL record!! 32k+)
Players - Some subscribers, but all play together, same server
Normally I post an annual rant on WoW's under 2 year lifespan, but I'll let the bullet points above speak for themselves.
My only add-on is that CCP (EVE) is VERY responsive to its player base, including inviting all subscribers to use the Beta server cluster to help test/opinion/judge forthcoming game content additions and changes, as well as releasing a database dump of all the game content to help players make better support sites and generate their own tools for the game (both for in-game browser, and out of game utilities).
My time spent in WoW, I felt pretty ignored by Blizzard, they just scheduled content, and then scheduled bug fixes for content pretty much at will and without user interaction. Nice game, but I need more....
You only present two or three options, and only one of the categories includes a none of the above! So if in one category that has two voting options a game amases 55%, that is NOT to say that 55% of gamers choose that one! That is to say exactly this thing: Of the people that voted here, 55% of them choose game A over game B.
This is not a vote of the year! This is a vote of the specific games. If you want to present awards for the best of 200X year, then present all games of the 200X year.
Respectfully,
seePyou
Actually.. they had preliminary voting as well in which you chose from a laundry list of games. It just so happens that of that laundry list, only two games had more than 10% of the votes. That's why the final vote only had EVE and WoW. It truly is the viewers choice... but nobody ever said the viewers knew what the heck they were talking about.
Perfect example... George Bush is the president of the U.S.
That is exactly my point!
Either the voting must reflect the gamers participating in this site and the voting or it mustn't!
I find it VERY interesting (if it is true) that only two games gather more than 10%. That should be shown because that is the opinion of ALL the gamers in this vote!
As you mentioned G.W. Bush, let me put it in this way; all US citizens must choose between TWO parties. Is that to say that the american public only has two ideas of how their country should be lead? Granted that the system works by showing a clear majority; anyone with 50% plus wins. But that is not to say that were there OTHER political parties, people would not vote for them.
When presenting two choices, you are saying that all other choices are not valid, irrelevant. There were as much as 15-20 other games in the list; add a small percentage of, say, 4% to them and they gather a staggering 60% on average!
That is to say 60% of all gamers who voted are playing something DIFFERENT than WoW and EVE, and you dont thing that is worth showing? It would not even affect who is the leader, because, unlike a government, a game does not NEED to have 50% plus votes to win, it just need the highest percentage! But what it would do, is provide a better understanding of the GAMER's opinion on the games as a total of 2006. And that way we would not need an option "none of them", because one game of all the 2006 games must have the best graphics of the bunch.
Hope that clears things up a bit...
I hear you... and you're right. The voting system is totally flawed.
I agree with you and think it would be nice to see the list of games that were voted on from the preliminary vote and what the percentages were for each. From my standpoint I certainly did not vote EVE or WoW down the line. Good points all.
Hey MMORPG... you guys reading this?
quite apart from the whole flawed voting system looks as engineered to misrepresent as most "elections"
first one to actualy say this (afaik)... I once calculated how long it would take for an EVE player to learn all the stat skills and learning skills. It was something between 12 and 14 months; that is roughly a year and a month of not progressing AT ALL in the game, playing a subscription, only for the best chance to actualy start playing and advancing in the remaining skills faster (according to calculations, it would pay of withing another year...)
It kind of gets to me... that is totaly my opinion of course. If I wanted to play EVE, this would be the way to play it for me, wait a year until I could start to play, the other choice was not realy a choice for me.
EVE and WoW are both classy games in their own way, but there ARE some other classy MMO's out there. I think it's a shame that this years voting was reduced to an EVE versus WoW debate, especially as they are so different in terms of gaming experience and are not really competing with each other imo.
I would like to see voting done possibly by genre (e.g. fantasy,sci-fi), and then an overall winner vote.
Regardless, we simply must have more options than EVE or WoW (at least give us the option to say "none of the above"). People do play more than EVE and WoW!
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Seqqura
LOL if your gona dis the biggest MMO in history atleast tell the truth, 40 in 2 days, show me proof (without cheating, but u can use a bot if u like) and ill give you £1000 and in not joking.
The truth is we all have opinons and in our heads the game we're currently playing is the best and the rest sux, and we'll all come up with all kinds of half truths and out right lies to support it.
Im currently playing WoW, and I have no plans to stops, I've dabbled with others along the way, City of heros, EvE, runescape, EQ1/2, DDO (should of been a great game) but wow had ticked all the boxes for me.
And down to the graphics of WoW which so many here say are crap and outdated. WoWuses HDRL (high dynamic range lighting) and pixel shaders so the gfx engine is far from outdated and compareing the gfx of WoW to EQ is stupid as both game have gone in 2 different directions in the gfx department, heres some shots of WoW:TBC, out dated realy?
Screen 1
Screen 2
Screen 3 - you have to see the clouds move to full experince that
Screen 4
Screen 5 - Goblins where the first on the moon
Screen 6 - My girl friend
I could go on forever but I wont, this is just a little sample of WoW's gfx and you have to agree the shear diversity of the enviroments are quite impressive.. if you want more: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/screenshots.html
WoW does not require a top spec Gfx card to get the gfx upto speed, I play with my 9800pro and I get a solid 40-50fps in the game with all gfx on full, EQ2 on the other hand handled like a tracker with 1 wheel with setting on medium and just looked awful, I have to bust it down to low-medium to get a good Frame rate.
WoW FTW... EvE FTB (For The Bin)
Slight problem with the graphics choice.
It states that
Yet, there is a picture of a Draenei next to the WoW selection, which is a graphical representation of what it WILL be, not of what it is (for those unfamiliar with it, draenei will be unavailable until 2007, which means they are not representative of graphics that exist today).
Edit: While im at it, i might as well say that these pro-wow people (like the one above me) that flaunt WoW:TBC graphics need to keep quiet.
Do some research dont try to be a smart ass, i clearly stated in my post these were TBC graphics, which FYI is using the same engine as WoW the only difference ive seen are the clouds are now more dymanic, b4 they would change shape etc but now in some zones they flow and race across the sky which has to be scene to be believed.
I was simply making a point to all who say Wow graphics are outdated I hope these few pics of just a small percentage of the WoW universe will make them look closer instead of repeating what others think and say.
WoW graphics might not be your cuppa tea but saying they are outdated is simply wrong.
To make the above poster happy here are some screens of WoW (not of the TBC expansion zones)
Screen 1
Screen 2 - necro's rejoice
Screen 3
Screen 4
Screen 5
Screen 6
I'm going to say this just once.
Screenshots presented to the public by a game company can not be used to judge a games graphics.
I've played wow since beta back in '04. I have also played eve for about half as long. So dont get me wrong, i love both games, but I have NEVER been able to get my WoW screen to look like Blizzards screenshots, but when i tried eve almost a year ago now, i loaded it up and went WTF. Why? Cause it looked like the adds.
Also, although i hate to admit it, WoWs graphics are indeed abit outdated. Warcrafts graphic engine was created back in 2002, about the same time as Eve's was. The only difference is that CCP continually updates EVEs graphics along with the engine, while Blizzard has provided no such update since launch. WoW's graphic look good, but they are not top notch at all anymore. I admit i feel bad when i play halo 2, and the graphics there are better then wows. It's a console game ffs.
And hell, on thier last patch, blizz couldnt even get their game to keep green and white seperate on items.
I've heard a rant like yours before, oh yeah, it's the same thing as people who will bitch when the person they vote for in an election loses.
Without cheating? Easy.
Or is your idea of 'cheating', interaction with other players?
Even then, I can think of a friend friends who play WoW, that would be more than happy to take your money, not that you'd pay.
HDRL does not good graphics make.
WoW's graphics even once they are updated, will be average at best, and to be honest, they will suck for todays standards, pure and simple.
If you want to claim the WoW Graphic update will make it look better than EVE, then save yourself some embarassment and don't speak, because the graphics overhaul CCP is doing is just a tad more of an upgrade than what Blizzard is doing.
And as the other guy said, stop trying to use Blizzard's renders to show what the game will look like.
Renders posted by a game company always look better than what you will have as a player. I hae old Gaming magizines with some of the first pictures ever released of Warcraft 3, when it was first announced, and they look better than the max settings you'll use on a top-end PC today.
how where these chosen as finalists? Advertising revenue? Number of shills paid to pad the vote? rabid fanbois with mutlple accounts block voting? Why didnt you just run a poll of "which do you prefer - WoW or EVE"
How about in all th eemails i get from this site one highlighting the fact that a selection vote was going on?
Pathetic choices and meaningless poll
I know you will not pay, but I'd just like to shut you up...
What will follow is a screencap from the video taken by Joana. If you dont know who Joana is, he is a player that goes in new WoW servers and gets 60 first. His goal is to see how quick he can do it. His best time is 4d 20h. He has frapped his entire gameplay and is currently selling a guide for leveling 1-60. Those who buy the guide also get access to the videos. I bought the guide.
In the following image you can see him hitting lvl40 in 1d 22h 6m 57sec.
And reching top level in a few days is a good thing because.....?
Oh and i must comment on the screenshot. It looks like the type of graphics you would get as top range about 2 years ago
So id say its pretty certain WoW wont win best graphics.
As for the graphics, this is a Fraps screencap of a video DivX, dont expect to judge quality graphics from that...
Started WOW and EQ2 at the same time and these were the first MMO's I had played. 1 Year and a half later I am still playing EQ2 and dropped WOW after a month.
I don't see any reason why anyone would pick WOW over EQ2. Lack of housing-guild bank-decent crafting sysytem-cartoon graphics.....
To me-EQ2 has it hands down over WOW. Being my first MMO's I don't understand why WOW has so many more players. Did SOE's screwup in SWG really make that many people pissed off? Of course I like more of a challenge and am 40 years old-so maybe the fun parts of WOW wore off more quickly for me. The cartoon graphics got old fast-I get enough of them watching Dora the Explorer with the kids.
From the sounds of it I would probably love EVE. Been kinda waiting to see what Vanguard is like-but maybe time to give EVE a spin from the sounds of it.
In reality, it took him 46 hours. and thats just to level 40, level 60 is a diffrent story. 2 days? No way.
Sorry to say that i have not been posting in the forums; but always lurking and reading up reviews on whats the latest mmorpg games. I started with DAoC for 2 years, then moved on to EVE for 1 year, then left EVE for WoW for 9months, and now back to EVE and have been playing EVE and now with 2 accounts on EVE even.
Firstly, I am not a PVP player, i suck at PVP; hence I do most in EVE is PVE. From building stuff to running missions, etc. Comparing the WoW experince, DAoC; both are the same. Comparing WoW and EVE in PVE is a world of difference. I am not limited to my racial profession as in WoW; and can only do a dungeon one way. In EVE i can do it in a variety of ways; from using the fastest frigate to the slowest battleship; from using Guns, lasers, missiles, or drones.
What's more there's no abuse of the PVE ecosystem (i.e. Power leveling) as in most other mmorpgs. And the loss in EVE is more real than WoW; I could loose my ship that cost me an entire fortune; but not WoW or DAoC; where i die respawn, repair and repeat.
In any case, at least the expansions in EVE is free; an the story keeps on moving. The next big PVE in EVE will be WAR between factions whereby whether you like it or not; it going to be more interesting.
Voting is easy. I vote where my money goes. If I, a PVE player, gets 2 accounts on EVE Online. What does that say? Unfortunately for this year's MMORPG awards we did not see any good games better than EVE. So I wont be surprise if EVE wins.
My 2cents.
Amberglow
so what's your point?
Howsabouts we hear the results.
I expect the people who cannot grasp the idea of 'reader's choice' to come in here bitching shortly.
Also, coffee, how does that humble pie taste?
WoW plays the same goddamn way Diablo 2 doe:
XP XP XP
GRIND GRIND GRIND
ITEM DROPPED!!!
NINJA LOOT!!!
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I see some people screaming about Eve players coming in and voting and saying we should limit voting to people who log in 30 times each month or more. That means limit voting to people who come here EVERY DAY no matter what.
That's nuts. I'm a fantatic player of BattleTech, and am a member of three different major BattleTech forums. But I don't go to all three of them EVERY SINGLE DAY. I do them every other day or sometimes once every three days. By the definition of some here, that would make me not a good enough member to be trusted to vote. I'm sorry, but that just makes no sense to me. I can see limiting voting to people that have been here over a month, but limiting it only to people who are active on the forums is far too limiting. I don't know if this is my first time on the board or not, but I definitely don't have many posts here. I've lurked though, and I've read up on a lot of "oh shiney!" games here.
Ah well.
On to the votes here.
Eve and WoW.
Wow...most of the awards won by games that are years old. Games that have built up player bases.
Now let me note my experience in MMOs. The one and only original Evercrack, Earth and Beyond, WoW, Eve, and a bunch of other inconsequencials.
What do I play right now? EVE.
Do I PVP in it? No.
I PVE. I avoid PVP like the plague. Of course I've lately started doing more trading where I buy stuff low in one place and move it elsewhere to sell it high. So that is that considered PVP or PVE? *shrugs* I don't know. But I've spent a lot of time doing PVE in my time in EVE and it is a LOT more interesting than the PVE in WoW. I mean LOTS more interesting. Head and shoulders above it.
I love EVE PVE. WoW PVE bored me so much I quit the game.
But, as I noted I didn't get a chance to vote. Didn't find about this going on until too late to vote. Ah well. I'll live.
Now back to lurking and skill training and all the other stuff I do while I'm living. :-)
2006 sucked as MMO year.
WoW has this vibrant life to it, and the cartoon style art direction means that a lower poly-count can be employed where others would have struggled to balance the needs of the visual impact and the average users computing horsepower. (It also frees up a lot of resources for graphical effects such as the weather systems, lighting effects, and the more subtle bump and specualr maps).
Eve goes in a similar direction although at the moment it's largely due to the length of time since the last graphics overhaul; whever they upgrade the graphics it goes to the cutting edge end of the scale, albeit with a large amount of performance scaling.
Where WoW has vibrancy and the visual look of life, Eve has stillness and a serene visual style.
Which set of graphics has better technical specs? I believe that currently it is WoW.
Choosing which one has a better visual style is (as always) a question of personal preference; which movie looks better? Stanley Kubrick's 2001: A Space Oddessey, or Paul Anderson's Event Horizon?
Both have vastly different visual styles despite a similar setting, but for my money I'll plonk with Kubrick's vision.
Understandably, many people would prefer the visual stylings of Event Horizon, and really; what's not to love about it? It all comes down to whether or not people are more enamoured with the slow serene style of 2001: A Space Oddessey, or the tense and frantic style of Event Horizon.
Neither of them would stand up to the technical brilliance of Revenge of the Sith if technical accomplishment was all we were judging the visuals on, although a lot of people (I suspect) probably prefer the graphics-gasm of the Ep III space battle. (I don't know why; the Endor Space battle was far superior)
Anyway, back on topic.
So just as two films which are not as technically accomplished as Ep III can have a better visual style (not to mention plot, direction, and performances from their respective world class casts - flames ahoy) WoW and Eve online can come up trumps over countless games whose main claim to fame on the visuals front is that they have higher polygon counts, and more effects.
Personally, I can't wait for some of the forthcoming games like Voyage Century, Vanguard, Age of Conan and Pirates of the Burning Sea to come along and inject some new blood into the art direction race, because you're right; it's a two horse event, and competition is always good.
it is very nice and in a month or 2 they will release their dx10 client for vista and their totally upgraded graphics engine.
its very nice and has been at the forefront for a long time and will continue to be at the top in the future also.