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• • Obama: the manufactured candidate.

  • Originally posted by Waterlily
    

    Originally posted by tornsage
    

    Originally posted by Waterlily
    

    I'm not a fan of either, but you're pretty fast to judge here.

    He's a senator, has years of experience in politics, has no problem standing on a stage with thousands of people. He makes trips all around the US for months on end without taking a break, he does international trips, prepares for speeches and studies what the other candidate says.

    Can you do better?

    Saying this candidate is perfect is stupid, both of them make promises that are unfeasable or irrational. BUT, what you are doing is on the other end of the spectrum and just demeaning.

    
     

    Oh I see! So he's qualified to be president because he ran a campaign! Now I get it! LOL

    Next.

    No, I'm saying if you think he's so bad, and you seem to know what you're doing....Why aren't you running for president?

    It pays well, and it's so easy right? Oh wait, you have 0 experience in politics and aren't a senator, just some guy sitting behind his screen telling us how much the candidates suck....

    That's not a refutation or an argument. Pay attention next time and answer to the accusations or you'll lose debates all your life.
     

    Read up on debating and see me in 10 years.

  • Posted: 10/11/08 9:51 AM
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• • Obama: the manufactured candidate.

  • Originally posted by Waterlily
    

    I'm not a fan of either, but you're pretty fast to judge here.

    He's a senator, has years of experience in politics, has no problem standing on a stage with thousands of people. He makes trips all around the US for months on end without taking a break, he does international trips, prepares for speeches and studies what the other candidate says.

    Can you do better?

    Saying this candidate is perfect is stupid, both of them make promises that are unfeasable or irrational. BUT, what you are doing is on the other end of the spectrum and just demeaning.

    
     

    Oh I see! So he's qualified to be president because he ran a campaign! Now I get it! LOL

    Next.

  • Posted: 10/11/08 9:44 AM
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• • Manga anyone?

  • Still in love with cartoon females? Grow up kiddies.

     

  • Posted: 10/11/08 9:43 AM
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• • Obama: the manufactured candidate.

  • I have to laugh at the exteme gullibility and sophomoric political analysis on this board. Little kids don't make good political analysts LOL! Obama didn't write his books, can't speak eloquently without a teleprompter, got into Harvard on affirmative action token (won't release SAT or grades prior), was appointed to head of the Harvard paper (if you learned to investigate and read you would know that the position is not earned anymore), got a land deal from a convicted felon (Tony Rezko), started his race off in Bill Ayer's living room, abandoned his brother who lives in  Kenya  and had a 20 year reletionship with rev wright the so-called "pastor" who preached horribly vulgar racist black liberation theology to his 2 daughters!

    Young people are easily manipulated by this fake and phony cult of personality. In bad economic times such cults can be succesful; we got jimmy carter last time (UGH!) and this time we may end up with this mediocrity with zero character. People who pay no taxes and are still wet behind the ears always go for the "popular" candidate which usually translates to the guy who is all surface and no susstance. One day they grow up but many never do and these are th people who champion the parasites of socialist government. We all know what that leads to.

    Between 2 horrible candidates, obama is the worst in years and totally manufactured. He has no record exepting that he no-voted in his short senate career (appointed by the chicago machine UGH!) 130 times and was a comminity service clerk. Nice resume ! LOL!

    These are all facts. If you like facts do additional reading...if you like the cult of personality, ther's no hope for you.

     

     

  • Posted: 10/11/08 9:35 AM
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• • How the US tax system works for dummies...

  • Originally posted by declaredemer
    

    The wealthy neither earn "income" nor pay the graduated income tax because "income" is primarily referring to wages earned from work.  Working-class, middle-class, upper middle-class people are wage-earners and pay the "income" tax. 

     

    There are other ways to earn "money" (let's NOT use "income") and not pay graduated rates.

    Two examples:

    Capital gains:  15%.

    Dividends:  15%.

     

    The payroll tax, e.g., which is nearly, I think, over a TRILLION dollar in-take by the U.S. government is 15.3% and the payroll tax STOPS at about 112,000 in "income."  Those making more do not pay payroll tax.  Social security, medicare, medicaid, etc.  There is no "fund" that the payroll tax goes to.  Middle-class people pay for these entitlement programs, which work when you eliminate fraud and do not empty the funds for pharmaceutical companies, defense contractors, and so forth. 

    The Social Security "Trust Fund" is Empty.  Most people do not know what a "trust" is.  It is beyond my time and interest to explain it.  But the U.S. government is supposed to be the "trustee" with a fiduciary relationship to the beneficiaries (here, the taxpayer). If a trustee were to empty a trust as the U.S. government did with YOUR social security, he would be imprisoned for an extremely long time for fraud, larceny, embezzlement, and the list goes on and on.   The Social Security Trust Fund was literally looted; it was why Al Gore wanted a "lock box." 

     

    The illustration is totally, completely wrong both in terms how "income" is taxed and how the Internal Revenue Code is administered.  The Internal Revenue Code GIVES more money through subsidies, preferred rates of taxation, tax credits, deferrals, and so forth than it takes from farms, institutions, corporations, and so forth.  The tax code is extremely, and I mean extremely, complex.  People spend their entire careers studying the Title 26 of the United States Code. 

    
     

    Another genius attacking the succesful for being sucessful. Sounds like sour grapes. You know nothing about the system except how to be brainwashed by it.

  • Posted: 10/10/08 1:01 PM
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