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Real NameBrian Hunt
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Latest Blog Entry - The new trends in beta testing
From my blog The need for better beta testing! [lordtwisted]

 Todays MMO industry trend of handing out beta keys like a pedophile hands out candy I think is a major down fall
 to the quality of game that these companies are creating. In this blog I will be posting a few opinions based on
 facts from my personal experience, and the experiences of close friends I have talked to.
 
  Recently it seems that video game companies use beta testing in order to promote thier games rather then to
 actually test them. It used to be that a person had to fill out an application and actually be able to input thier
experience in games, testing, RPGs, computers, etc... in order to have a chance of getting selected.
 Now days you really just need to provide an email address, and sign up for thier forums, in some cases, all you
need to do is purchase the right magazine, or the pre-order for the game.

 It has reduced beta testing down to a pre-view of an upcomming title, a demo if you will. This is advertising, not testing.
I can only imagine how a developer feels when he has to sort through hundreds of stupid bug reports to get to that one legit
report. I can only imagine how much revenue a company loses when thier bug riddled beta gets ripped apart by those on the
various forums that are not concerned with an NDA. The bad publicity alone would cost a company a lot of money.

 Here are some beta testing ideas I have seen recently implemented by various companies and would have worked
miracles in the bug hunting tests if it would have been attempted by a more skilled bug hunting crew.

 Dungeons and Dragons Online: While the game wasn't what I hoped, the game was pretty complete on release compared to beta.
The person in charge of the beta testing were amazing, occasional events to kill the tedious boredom, rewards if you were
caught in the act of actually testing what you were asked to test. Developer interaction with the testers via an mIrc channel.
 All of these things, and some more really made us feel as though we were a part of the team, and actually making some
changes to help the game. The in game voice chat was actually suggested by a part of the testing crew I hooked up with a
lot during that test, because we used ventrillo during the testing to better coordinate are groups. It was one of the best
betas I have ever taken part in.

 Vanguard: Someone over in the Vanguard team actually went to the forums and asked for people in specific level ranges,
of specific classes to sign up for a focus group, such as This thursday we will need 6 Rangers levels 10 to 19 to join me
at 4pm to discuss pros and cons, bugs, and such of this class. Fridays I will need 6 Rogues between levels 30 and 39 to
 meet up at 4pm for the same.
  It was much more detailed then that, but the first 6 people to sign up for the focus group would meet with a member
of the Vanguard staff and discuss it all. This would have been a huge boon to the game...fi only they didn't invite
everyone and thier mother, and people who bought a magazine into the beta, due to the poor selection of beta testers,
 You got a lot of stupid conversations going on during a focus test.

 
 I am going to end this blog today with a few suggestions that I hope will get to the current game companies:

 1: most importantly....screen your beta applications, if I can take the time to fill out an application to
not only test your game, but do it for free. The least you can do is make sure we have some qualifications,
and a computer that will work.
 
 2: Use some of the ideas above, and create more ways of making beta work better for you. The information
we provide is very important make sure you are getting what you need, and don't be afraid to ask us to test
 something specific if a person complains about playing a class or race he doesn't like, boot them from beta,
They are not there to help.

 3: Keep records of people who have beta tested for you and provided good bug reports. I was contacted by a
developer working for a diffrent company a couple years ago. He asked me if I was interested in testing a new game
he was working on, I was like sure, but how the heck did you get my e-mail? He told me he used to work for another
company and he ended up with several of my bug reports and they were exactly what he needed to track down soemthing
in the code. He said I found a couple of bugs that nobody else in the test had noticed, yet they all had to have
 crossed by it. I have also tested two other games for him since then.

 4: Don't use beta to test your server load, or to invite the fanbase to appease them, don't use beta as
an advertisment. This tends to lead to more bad press then good press, and but too much of a load on your
development teams trying to sort through all the garbage to get to the key problems. Server load test,
and advertisment is the final phase and should be done when beta is done and you feel you have a complete game.

 5: Don't just release the game. Check with all of your development teams before you go gold, I can't tell you
how many times I here a developer tell me, yeah, if we had two more weeks before they went gold we could have tied
up that problem. I know, it's always a couple more weeks, but a couple more weeks to fix a small graphic glitch
may not be worth it, but a couple more weeks to fix that bug that crashes on 15% of the computers out there
will save you a lot of time and money.

 6: Reward you testers. Yes, a lot of people claim it is unfair. But if you reward your beta testers with something
like you tend to put into pre-order packages it would be cool for those that tested, and not be something to hurt the game.
 If your pre-order package offers a special orange armor dye if you buy it from best buy, and a special green armor dye
if you order from ebgames, well then add a special blue armor dye for the beta testers. Something that will not give an
advantage, but will set them apart from everyone else in game, something that tells other players this person was a tester.
 A club of bug squashing, an in game t-shirt that actually says <I tested this game and all I got was this lousy t-shirt>
It may seem stupid, but it gives a tester a sense of pride and will insure that you will be able to use him again if called upon.
 

 If any game company, developer, or tester has anything to add please post. If a developer or game company is seriously looking
for some beta testers that can squash some bug arse drop me a pm, or e-mail and I will give you a list of names and e-mail address to try.
I am not sure that all of them still test, but I am sure those that do, do it well.

                         Thank you for taking the time to read this, I hope it actually one day makes a difference,

                                               Brian "Twisted"
 
                                  Original leader of the "Vampyric Knights" a beta testing guild.
                                  Previous leader of the "Twisted Knights"
                                    

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    •  Right now, I am more concerned with how the beta is going. Are the people involved actually testing the game, or is it the same retards that get into every beta for the last couple of years and not fill out one bug report unless it is to say thier favorite class is too weak, or this skill sucks, etc....

        I don't care how people get into beta as long as the test the fricking game. I am so fed up with the pissing and moaning of the stupid things like, fileplanet beta, Fileplanet has been doing beta giveaways longer then half of you have been playing these games.

       I disagree with the game designer making excuses for why they used Fileplanet, it only made Funcom sound like a bunch of incompetents, when my 13 year old daughter can upload 30 gigs of movies and music to torrents in a few hours, then Funcom could handle a 13gb game client in the time they have been working on all of this.

       His excuse on not really wanting an open beta! yea! Focus on testing! don't focus on releasing the tard plague upon the lands of AoC just yet.  It will all come in good time. Right now focus on getting the game right, so it's not another failure like everything else that has been out.

       Pretty sad that with all the WoW haters I see making post, WoW is still one of the few lasting MMO's while the rest slowly perish. I say this, and I don't care for WoW

    • Posted: 4/29/08 9:53 AM
      General Discussion
    • Comp vs. 360
    • Originally posted by swede2

       

      Originally posted by lordtwisted
      Originally posted by swede2
      Originally posted by lordtwisted

       Wow any legit sources for the rumors you are selling?


      Rumors , your in for a big surprize


      Ooooohhhh! I like surprizes! Is it a pony? A new car? Maybe a G.I. Joe with Kung fu Grip and a real firing rocket launcher?


      Dont worry , you will find out in due time . thats about as much as i can say lol

       

       


       So...no pony then? I hate you! I hate you! I hate you!

    • Posted: 2/14/08 7:40 PM
      Age of Conan
    • Comp vs. 360
    • Originally posted by swede2
      Originally posted by lordtwisted

       Wow any legit sources for the rumors you are selling?


      Rumors , your in for a big surprize


      Ooooohhhh! I like surprizes! Is it a pony? A new car? Maybe a G.I. Joe with Kung fu Grip and a real firing rocket launcher?

    • Posted: 2/14/08 9:56 AM
      Age of Conan
    • Comp vs. 360
    •  Yamota,

       I really have to say, the thing that rakes my nerves, and the only thing in any of your post to do so, is the "it's going to be just like WOW" comment.

          I would really love to see you explain that in more detail as to how this will compare to WOW, only because I see this same comment in every forum for every game that has been released, or in development since WOW came out, "It's a WOW clone", "It's WOW with a little UI tweak", "This game is WOW2". Etc...

         I don't think this is the lines your head towards when you are comparing it to WOW, but I am not certain.

       

       As far as the Conan lore, I personally could care less, because the only Conan I am familiar with are the movies, which I liked. This game could be called Barbarian world for all I care, the game is what I am looking to play not the story.  BUT! from what I have read on the games website, the lore seems to be there for the most part.

       I do agree with you about the chick that is on the page, and she has gotten quite a bit of press. But hardly fierce warrior material.....she looks like one of the warriors from a low budget porn production of Conan more then from the lore of Conan.

       

       But in the long run, none of this has anything to do with the original topic. So don't matter.

    • Posted: 2/13/08 3:51 PM
      Age of Conan

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