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• • Saga of Ryzom is comin back...

  • Originally posted by XoloX
    

    Originally posted by yamiblade
    

    Honestly, their best bet is making a new server.  That way, old players get to keep their characters and newbies get a place where everyone's on equal ground.

    
    They had no real time to care for inexperienced ones in action. (They did in words and with gear, if needed, though. Everyone in Ryzom does...)
    At that time, real newcomers were recommended in the boards to start on some of the three established servers because they'd be helped to whatevertheywishedtolearn better there.

     

    That doesn't surprise me. Part of what made Ryzom so good to play when I did, about a year ago, was the fact that there was an existing high level playerbase who, while they still had plenty of skills of their own to max, had already maxed a few and had nothing to gain by maxing more other than the variety factor.

    So, in stark contrast to raid-grind mmos ala WoW where players are obsessed about getting that next piece of shiny loot which requires a massive investment of time, the Ryzom highbies could do their own stuff and have time spare to help and hang out with noobies.

    That kind of game design, in my opinion, also helps to foster the kind of community that has evolved on Ryzom.

  • Posted: 7/12/08 10:40 PM
    The Saga of Ryzom
• • It will be a wipe?

  • Originally posted by Sasi
    

     

     

    ;) Sorry, I was agreeing with you, in my own special excessively verbose way.

    Oh don't apologise for excess verbosity...

    ... or people will expect ME to start apologising too!

  • Posted: 7/12/08 12:29 AM
    The Saga of Ryzom
• • Saga of Ryzom is comin back...

  • Originally posted by Curate
    

    4)      Be as subtle as a sledgehammer about expectations. No matter what, people will leave the tutorial and ask the nearest person/chat channel, “What should I do now?” Other games have conditioned us, it’s not our fault, we’ll still try and make Tutorial Lesson = Quest. Still, put in a message about “You will not have quests to steer you, your make your own goals” as you depart so that the handful of people who read such things will have a clue.

    This is what I've suggested before. I managed to pick all this up in my first few days of playing, but being told this (by the game) would reduce that "what the hell do I do now?" reaction upon hitting the mainland.

     

    Here in the Ruins of Silan you have been guided with missions that helped you develop the basic skills and knowledge to survive on the mainland. Missions on the mainland take a different form. Completing missions will earn you favour with particular factions but are not necessary to advance your skills or earn experience points.
    

    Experience points are earned through experience. You'll improve combat, crafting and harvesting skills by using them. You'll most often find it easier to do so by teaming up with other players.
    

    You should also give thought to joining a guild. They can help you learn how to survive on the mainland and probably assist you with acquiring new and better equipment.

    Be warned that travelling between the different lands of Ryzom is dangerous and most likely impossible for young homins like yourself. But older, more experienced homins can help you make those journeys and acquire teleport points which will then allow you to travel to those points instantly. When planning such treks, older homins usually advertise the fact in zone chat channels. You should listen for these and join treks as soon as you can, as they will both open up new lands for you to experience and help you to meet other homins.

  • Posted: 7/12/08 12:25 AM
    The Saga of Ryzom
• • Saga of Ryzom is comin back...

  • Originally posted by Sasi

    I think your ideas are spot on, but the implementation probably needs yet another iteration, to make a clear distinction in expectations between the quest driven tutorial of the starter island and the largely questless mainland.

     

    P.S. Hiya Jack ;)

     

    Yay, my favourite topic... or at least the one I harp on about the most.

    Ryzom's single biggest handicap is the false expectation that Silan (the noob island) builds in players and which the Mainland immediately dashes.

    Silan is, in my opinion, an excellent starting area (except for the questlog bugs). It introduces all of Ryzom's non-standard features in a way that players of standard mmos are familiar with, i.e. "quests".

    But when you're finished and you go to the mainland, there's no more quests because Ryzom's not that kind of game.

    Silan is an enormous improvement over the old starter areas - but it is and will remain a half-arsed implementation until they add some kind of notification to players leaving Silan that steers them in the right direction.

  • Posted: 7/12/08 12:17 AM
    The Saga of Ryzom
• • It will be a wipe?

  • Originally posted by Sasi
    

     

     

    Accounts on the official forums are limited to active game accounts. (Or in this case, accounts that were active at the time everything ground to a halt.) Also, an account can only vote once in a poll. So, the only way to stack the poll would be to have presciently purchased many game accounts prior to the shutdown...

    I think it's safe to say that the existing playerbase is overwhelmingly opposed to an action which the new owners in all likelyhood never even considered anyway.

    In other news, mmorpg.com is full of sh... as usual. :D

    Maybe my comment was a little too oblique - it wasn't the official forum's poll results that I was suggesting might not be entirely trustworthy.

  • Posted: 7/10/08 8:08 AM
    The Saga of Ryzom