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• • Worst thing to happen to you in galaxies?

  • I think what really hit the nail into the coffin for me was finally getting Smuggling Missions.

    I stuck with the game from the time I started in Sept 03 all the way up through the CU, the NGE, and finally the Smuggling Missions.  I tolerated the NGE for like a year or so until they finally released it.  I hated every moment of it, but I was determined to see what SOE could pull out of their ass.

    Just thinking about it to this day still sort of pisses me off.  Not to the point of going on a murderous rampage, but still... it just reminds me of how SOE got away with things that corporations and businesses just shouldn't get away with.

    Anyway, the worst thing to happen to me was to find out that the Smuggling content was nothing more than a Themepark that had nothing to do with anything, but to get a gun.  It wasn't a system even remotely close to what anyone had spoken about on the forums for 4 years.

    It wasn't like the BH stuff, where the content reinvented itself, and they could go off hunting people down on a whim, ending in satisfying PvP.  No, Smuggling was a purely PvE experience, that had no effect on anything in the game world.  No player created deliveries.  No Imperial contraband threat.  There wasn't even a useful functionality for the "contraband" loot that you received - like trading it in as a reward for Spice, that could in turn be sold to other players....

    That to me, was the single worst moment/event in my MMO history.  What a complete waste....

  • Posted: 7/23/08 10:12 PM
    Star Wars Galaxies
• • List of all the fun things Funcom has done to AoC

  • Originally posted by Shadowhearth
    

    Originally posted by WRyan
    

    Originally posted by ketrine
    

    hehe... i wonder if it will ever be a pretty good game once they get things ironed out.

    
     

    In all honesty, I think people are tired of paying for games to get the issues "ironed out", myself included.

    I mean, look - SWG has been out for like 5 years now, and people say it's pretty much in the best shape it's ever been in.  Personally, I would be inclined to agree with this.  Do I play the game?  No.  I quit when the NGE hit.

    My point is this - if you are developing a game for 5+ years, and then launch, and your game is just getting "good" after 5 years of Live service... then something is wrong.  This is exactly where Funcom is heading with AoC.

    I for one quit playing this game a month ago, and haven't logged in since.  I only just now cancelled though, but because I figured I would play it on a rainy day.  But... we haven't had rain here in 2 months, so I don't suspect I'll be needing it any time soon.

    
     

    Lol m8, had same thing, i played a bit, then just stoped, but did not cancelled. Thought i will play it when wow server have maintance. But it did not lasted long. paying 12eu per month just for having it on mine pc... nah, not worth it.

    p.s. yes yes i play wow, and i am not proud of it, but it gives me daily portion of drugs i need :D

    
     

    I think people are very misleading about WoW.  It's not a "bad" game - it really isn't.  I don't hate it because it sucks.  I hate it for altogether different reasons (lol.)

    So, I mean look - WoW is basically the pinnacle of what an MMO should and could be as an old-school design theory.  This isn't a bad thing.  I mean, every media outlet has it's one thing that you can look at and say "This is the best of this thing."  But after that, nothing seems like it's quite as good.  Why?  becuase it's time for reinvention.  After man-kind harnessed fire, we had to do something better - see what I mean?

    I hate WoW because it is the most profitable MMO in the industry right now.  Why is this bad?  Because it stops innovation, and encourages copying for profit.  I hoped AoC would bring that innovation to the table, but I was severely wrong it seems.  Maybe, I was just lied to by Funcom though, but that is neither here nor there.  Point is, it didn't deliver the goods we all seemed to beleive it would.

    So now, I don't know what to look forward to.  The only game I am even excited about is this new SW MMO from Bioware, but we don't know anything about it.  And really, if it turned out to be more of the same, then I would probably still buy it, because I'm a SW whore, and I was robbed of my SW MMO experience.

    Anyway... here's to innovation and moving forward.

  • Posted: 7/19/08 6:01 PM
    Age of Conan
• • The Agency: Spying on The Agency at E3

  • Originally posted by MarL
    

    Originally posted by WRyan
    
    

    
     

    You're only as good as your gun - is false because it's an FPS?  What rock do you live under exactly?  So what if it's twitch based... does that stop a gun with better stats from being better than the gun you got last week/month?

    Look, it may be an FPS, but SOE wouldn't build a game that they couldn't add more crap to later.  They'll flood this game with "New better gear!" every other week, and really all they're doing is adjusting the values of damage in their number crunching algorythms.  And it's not just about the gun numb-nuts.  There's armor and all kinds of other consumables, like grenades, ammo... the list goes on and on.  So yes, you are only as good as your gun.  The gun you bought last week, will be trumped and rendered useless by the armor someone else bought this week.  But that's okay, because you can buy some better ammunition today to bring your gun up to speed.  But if you want to really get the upper hand, you'll be able to upgrade your gun next week.

    As far as not spending more than a years worth of Sub... I would be inclined to say that you probably didn't, but I would also be inclined to say that you probably didn't spend more than you were interested in the game anyhow.  So, in reality - your statement is BS.

    Besides that, why on earth would there be a NEW Business model that essentially allows the player to pay for less than equal than stadard Monthly Payments?  This is SOE dude... not some rinky-dink developer who is trying to make a small profit off something that isn't a AAA title.  The game you were playing would probably be F2P if it weren't for the publisher wanting a profit.

    Your retort is garbage.... and don't tell people how to post on the forums.  Doing so is annoying.

     

    Name one fps that you cant kill someone because your weapon isnt good enough. You can kill the biggest machine gunner with a pistol if you can aim. So please stop being retarded. The closest game to what you are thinking is gunz and sure being having a better gun helps, but you dont NEED it.
    

    The choice is still mine on how much I want to spend, and if ya think about it the first 50 is free since ya didnt have to buy the game. Not all sony  games are AAA titles look at pirates of the burning sea.
    

    (not every games has to be a wow killer)
    

    The problem with mmos is people like you, anything different comes along and ya slam it with no proof of any outlandish statement you have.

    
     

    Well, you're right about FPS's.... you don't have to have the best gun if you can aim... except The Agency isn't an FPS - it's an RPG.  Mass Effect is another RPG that plays like an FPS, and your equipment makes a HUGE difference in combat.  Besides that, we're not talking about winning against someone with better gear.  We're talking about a priviledge to have an upperhand, however significat, that is bought with real money.  What this does essentially, is no different than buying money for an MMO from some place, and then using that money to buy some weapon that is outrageously overpriced anyhow.  All this does is allow SOE to make that profit, instead of some Asian MMO grind-house.  Which, to be fair, at least allows our money to go into development - but SOE has shown in the past that they don't do that anyway... and if they do, it's usually mismanaged.

    I never said SOE distributes only AAA titles.  The Agency, however, is.  Do you think that SOE is going to put their brand new AAA title on the market, and not make the same amount of money they would make from EQ2?  No - they won't.

    I don't care if a game is a WoW killer - I don't even know what hat you pulled this out of, because it has nothing to do with anything I have said.

    The problem with MMO's is people like me?  You don't even know me man, and you clearly can't understand anything that I am saying.  I never said The Agency would suck.  I actually think it would be a great game.  What I don't like, is SOE putting a new business model on it, and basically just lying about why they're doing it.  Microtransactions are NOT doing you a favor.  They are NOT for the gamer's benefit.  They are for the people who want to make more money, and it is an idea built for them to make it easier.

    So, you need to check yourself mate.  I'm not bashing The Agency here - I'm bashing Microtransactions.  And I don't need proof to state my opinion - so get off it.

    The problem with MMO's is people like YOU who allow these publishers to get away with stuff that would never be permissable in any other market.  SOE has tried screwing people before (SWG ring a bell?) and they got burned because of it.  Now, they are the laughing stock of the gaming community.  If they would have just done what they were supposed to be doing in the first place, they wouldn't need a new bsuiness model, with the excuse of "The price of making a game is now more expensive."  The price of making free to play games is more expensive, thereby warranting Microtransactions?  Pff....

  • Posted: 7/19/08 5:52 PM
    General Discussion
• • Bioware's mmo based on 4th ed tabletop mechanics?

  • Originally posted by Shivah
    

    The Bioware MMO's been in development longer than 4th ed so I seriously doubt it.

    
     

    lol.... I don't even know where to begin replying to the OP.  When I read what he wrote, first thing that came to mind - "I seriously doubt it."

    To the OP:

    Look man... D&D already has a game out.  It's called Dungeons & Dragons Online, otherwise known as DDO.  And if you ask people what they think of it... they will tell you that it more or less has nothing whatsoever to do with D&D other than name.

    I can more or less guarantee you that the new SW MMO will have nothing whatsoever to do with the D&D ruleset of any incarnation.  I would say if anything, it would have a lot more similarities to Jade Empire and Mass Effect, but will probably be something completely different altogether.  I tell you this so you won't get your hopes built up.

  • Posted: 7/19/08 1:00 AM
    Star Wars Galaxies
• • The Agency: Spying on The Agency at E3

  • Originally posted by MarL
    

    Originally posted by WRyan
    

    When I first heard about this game, I was pretty psyched about it.  And, in a sense, I still am, but only because Super-Spy stuff is always cool.  But looking at it from an MMO standpoint, I didn't realise before, but now I'm sort of seeing how potentially shallow this could be.

    Okay - so we understand the idea, "You are what you wear."  But that can also be interpreted as, "You're only as good as the stats on your gun."  And then I started to remember SOE's whole "We really beleive Micro-transactions are the business model of the future because it allows us to focus on more and better content..." - which in case you didn't know, is code for "We will make more money for doing less!"

    I mean... think about this guys.  This game will be even more item-centric than WoW is, and their entire business model is banking on it.  I see this whole game as nothing more than playing a slot machine at a casino.  You don't win, unless you bid the maximum.

    Shallow is all the way you think about it, to me if you cant own part of the land then the game is shallow. Theres no point to have a persistant world like WoW, if you cant do anything with it but walk around.
    

    "your only as good as the stats on your gun" is a bit of a stretch, its a fps so thats obviously false.
    

    "we will make more for doing less!" is also untrue, Ive played a ton of microtransaction games and i have never spent 180 or one years worth of sub. WoW cost me over 460.....
    

    You are basically assuming crap that you dont know.. if ya do know please share the link.
    

    
    

    
    

    P.S. to others in this post
    

    try not to quote more than one quote......else its a big wall of text thats annoying.....

    
     

    You're only as good as your gun - is false because it's an FPS?  What rock do you live under exactly?  So what if it's twitch based... does that stop a gun with better stats from being better than the gun you got last week/month?

    Look, it may be an FPS, but SOE wouldn't build a game that they couldn't add more crap to later.  They'll flood this game with "New better gear!" every other week, and really all they're doing is adjusting the values of damage in their number crunching algorythms.  And it's not just about the gun numb-nuts.  There's armor and all kinds of other consumables, like grenades, ammo... the list goes on and on.  So yes, you are only as good as your gun.  The gun you bought last week, will be trumped and rendered useless by the armor someone else bought this week.  But that's okay, because you can buy some better ammunition today to bring your gun up to speed.  But if you want to really get the upper hand, you'll be able to upgrade your gun next week.

    As far as not spending more than a years worth of Sub... I would be inclined to say that you probably didn't, but I would also be inclined to say that you probably didn't spend more than you were interested in the game anyhow.  So, in reality - your statement is BS.

    Besides that, why on earth would there be a NEW Business model that essentially allows the player to pay for less than equal than stadard Monthly Payments?  This is SOE dude... not some rinky-dink developer who is trying to make a small profit off something that isn't a AAA title.  The game you were playing would probably be F2P if it weren't for the publisher wanting a profit.

    Your retort is garbage.... and don't tell people how to post on the forums.  Doing so is annoying.

  • Posted: 7/19/08 12:49 AM
    General Discussion