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• • I hate NDA Boy Scouts

  • Originally posted by Grunties
    

    Originally posted by vesavius
     

    Look, when people agreed to test the game for a company, they agreed to play by their rules.
    They made them a promise.
    If they then  come here and spill their guts, then they broke that promise.
    This makes them untrustworthy and a liar.

    Why the hell should I trust what they have to say on that basis? What makes them suddenly a reliable source of information. By definition they are a liar already.

    Now, I dont ever call people out or any of that on this, but do I trust what people say as a NDA breakers or take them seriously?

    No. Because they are liars.

    
     

    In some cases (<-- this is important), NDA's are a promise to lie to other customers, or to coverup lies.
    By agreeing to an NDA, you are potentially promising to lie for the company.
    That makes NDA holders untrustyworthy and liars.

    Why should I trust anyone that agrees to lie for others? Promises are good, but promises to do the wrong thing does not make it the right thing. If you promise to coverup a crime, does that mean you are doing the wrong thing by telling the police?

    It is not as black and white as you wish it was, vesavius.

    It all depends on whether the information being released by the company matches up with the truth. If it does, holding the nda is good. If it doesn't, holding the nda is a LIE. Funcom was a good example of why holding an NDA makes you a liar.

    
     

    if you wanna protect the public then go join the police force.

  • Posted: 8/19/08 1:54 PM
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• • Judge: Glider Violates Blizzard Copyright.

  • Originally posted by gnat76
    

    Originally posted by Trikke
    

    Originally posted by gnat76
    

    From the blizzard website posted in 2004. link: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/news/wow-news2004.html

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    We have recently verified that certain individuals were using third party "bot" programs to automate their characters in World of Warcraft. *A bot is used to play an account non-stop, allowing its user to accumulate money, items, and experience without actually requiring the user to be physically present to play the game. The use of bots is a violation of the World of Warcraft Terms of Use and is absolutely prohibited. Therefore, the accounts identified as having used bots have been banned.

    Blizzard Entertainment is committed to maintaining an environment of fair play in World of Warcraft. As stated previously, the company has a zero-tolerance policy for cheating or hacking of any kind. Players caught using a bot **program to automate any of their characters' actions will have their characters removed and their account banned. They will not receive a warning. Over 300 accounts have already been banned for offenses of this nature.

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    If you don't agree with Blizzard, don't play their game.

    * If the glider required you to push the space bar every 5 minutes or 5 seconds it would be ok then?
    Bilzzard uses objective terms, and then puts them in a "Law Type" format.

    ** Like the Program for the Logitech g15 keyboard. Pay close attention to where is says any of their characters' actions.

    Last i checked you can still play wow using the above keyboard and the program it comes with and not get sued.

    
     

    A quick search on the Blizzard forums shows many questions about the G15.....using it is not bannable unless you create a loop type macro that allows you to walk away, basically creating a bot.  If you use the macro functions (which you can do in game anyway) save you a few keystrokes thats fine. Why is such a difficult concept?  In any case, Blizzards a private company they can kick you off their servers for any reason they see fit.

    http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1371550895&pageNo=1&sid=1

     

    
     

    Lets just ignore the part "program to automate any of their characters' actions" then!

    A. In game macro's are limited. B. Lets focus on the part about  [allowing its user to accumulate money, items, and experience without actually requiring the user to be physically present] .  Are your fingers physically present (objective term) when you hit the G1 key that does the fight for you. sounds more like they should say, IF you dont physically hit all the keys it takes to progress the fight, than you are botting. "Walk Away" is also an objective term if i create a loop type macro and sit and watch it and dont walk away then, basically im not creating a bot?

     

  • Posted: 7/17/08 3:53 PM
    General Discussion
• • Judge: Glider Violates Blizzard Copyright.

  • Originally posted by gnat76
    

    From the blizzard website posted in 2004. link: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/news/wow-news2004.html

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    We have recently verified that certain individuals were using third party "bot" programs to automate their characters in World of Warcraft. *A bot is used to play an account non-stop, allowing its user to accumulate money, items, and experience without actually requiring the user to be physically present to play the game. The use of bots is a violation of the World of Warcraft Terms of Use and is absolutely prohibited. Therefore, the accounts identified as having used bots have been banned.

    Blizzard Entertainment is committed to maintaining an environment of fair play in World of Warcraft. As stated previously, the company has a zero-tolerance policy for cheating or hacking of any kind. Players caught using a bot **program to automate any of their characters' actions will have their characters removed and their account banned. They will not receive a warning. Over 300 accounts have already been banned for offenses of this nature.

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    If you don't agree with Blizzard, don't play their game.

    * If the glider required you to push the space bar every 5 minutes or 5 seconds it would be ok then?
    Bilzzard uses objective terms, and then puts them in a "Law Type" format.

    ** Like the Program for the Logitech g15 keyboard. Pay close attention to where is says any of their characters' actions.

    Last i checked you can still play wow using the above keyboard and the program it comes with and not get sued. But make no mistake, it is a bot. And you know they will never sue Logitech.

  • Posted: 7/17/08 3:16 PM
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• • Judge: Glider Violates Blizzard Copyright.

  • Originally posted by gnat76
    

    Originally posted by Trikke
    

    Originally posted by Trikke WoW, please sue logitech next, the G15 keyboard uses script keys to run multiple key strokes just like the glider does. As long as it doesn't interfere with the intended purpose of the program, that is allowed by the EULA. This is a bogus argument.

    Argument is, if you are gonna restrict scripting, than restrict scripting in all forms. with the G15 i can, script an entire fight with the push of 1 G key. The difference is in the amount of time you are interacting with your "BOT".  And this way if Blizzard wins the law suit they will not only tell us what programs we can have on our computer but what hardware as well.

     

       

    The difference with Macro's and the G15 keyboard is you still need to be at your keyboard to play, move from fight to fight and interact with other players.  Programs like Glider allow you to completely automate your gameplay to the point where you don't have to be at your keyboard for hours at a time and still benifit as if you had been at your computer playing.  You're making a huge leap to start thinking that companies will tell you what you can have on your computer.  Even if companies did start doing that I can choose not to buy their product. 
     

    The law is the law, its not up to you to choose which laws or rules are ok to break.  Blizzard made a rule to play their game, if you break it, you're banned, nuff said.

    
     

    Is the computer doing the work for you? YES!  Is that a bot? YES!  The amount of time a player interacts between the actions of his BOT make it ok  to have a BOT? NO! Nuff said.  

  • Posted: 7/17/08 2:40 PM
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• • Judge: Glider Violates Blizzard Copyright.

  • Originally posted by Trikke WoW, please sue logitech next, the G15 keyboard uses script keys to run multiple key strokes just like the glider does. As long as it doesn't interfere with the intended purpose of the program, that is allowed by the EULA. This is a bogus argument.

     

    Argument is, if you are gonna restrict scripting, than restrict scripting in all forms. with the G15 i can, script an entire fight with the push of 1 G key. The difference is in the amount of time you are interacting with your "BOT".  And this way if Blizzard wins the law suit they will not only tell us what programs we can have on our computer but what hardware as well.

     

       

  • Posted: 7/17/08 2:15 PM
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