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• • WOTLK - DDAY style battleground Info

  • Originally posted by Gazenthia
    

     

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    Originally posted by Tergeron
    1) LK is not a response to WAR
    

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    LW= Lake Wintergrasp.

     

     

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    2) People have been ASKING for world pvp ever since BG's became the staple of WOW's pvp content

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    Asking for Blizzard to return it, more like ;) My point was that they are pushing the world PvP aspects an awful lot, suddenly. They didn't push this hard with BC.

     

     

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    they want to mix PVE and PVP as much as possible to make the benefits worthwhile.

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    Which makes it all the more odd, because this is exactly what they have been doing since, oh, Silithus? Why the big deal now?

     

     

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    3) Again, "Tier" and "Four" come to mind, AV is closer to WAR pvp then this new map is. And what are these other maps you speak of?

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    The entire system is WAR in a can, sorry. Right down to the keeps. As for other maps, I have made oodles of long winded posts about them in here. Don't even try to suggest that this was the only option they could have went with.

     

     

     

    Obviously you're right so after this post Im just going to stop, but first lets clear up a few things.

    The point still stands, LK is not being built to compete with WAR, the same as how LK is not built around Wintersgrasp. This is why timing is irrelevent.

    They didnt push BC world pvp because they were busy with Arenas, at the time people were also asking for competitive PVP designed around group combat, thats why you dont see the rest of the zones having those pvp features I mentioned.

    It isnt a big deal, they are telling us what the incentives are for attending World PVP combat, which is the main reason world pvp has been so lack luster, a severe lack of significant reward, making sure the rewards are varied helps get more people into the combat so it isnt a wasteland like silithus turned into. What exactly are the benefits of wintergrasp combat then?

     

    War in a can, right down to its keep*.  WAR is a glorified AV, WAR has glorified Hellfire pvp battlegrounds, WAR has glorified Spirit Towers. The BG has similarities to what WAR has, ITS BEEN RIPPED. Also I'd like to see some of these ideas blizzard came up with as options to pick for battlegrounds since you didnt bother to throw any links my way.

  • Posted: 8/12/08 8:00 PM
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• • WOTLK - DDAY style battleground Info

  • Originally posted by Gazenthia
    

     

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    Originally posted by Tergeron
    I honestly dont know how people see this as a rip from the WAR concept of tiered combat, the only similarities are the words "Tier" and "Four".

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    Those aren't the only similarities :)

     

    I see it as a counter-move by Blizzard because:

    1) Timing

    2) They've been touting world PvP an awful lot, really pushing LW

    3) The nature of the BG in question, as I said there before there are other maps they could have gone with.

    4) The "dark" atmosphere of that BG

    
    I don't any of this is a coincidence, and am shocked people don't believe there is a connection.

     

    1) LK is not a response to WAR, blizzard said it themselves that they wanted to get an expansion out every year if possible. Unless you are suggesting they were somehow threatened about a game that didnt have any media hype at all.

    2) People have been ASKING for world pvp ever since BG's became the staple of WOW's pvp content, they wanted a reason to attend world pvp. You can see how blizzard was testing the waters of world PVP in BC with the capture areas in Hellfire, The flag run in Zangarmarsh and the Spirit towers in the Bone Wastes. 

    When you look at it this way Lake Wintergrasp is the natural evolution of world pvp blizzard is trying to get, they want to mix PVE and PVP as much as possible to make the benefits worthwhile. Lake Wintersgrasp is what people have been asking for since Vanilla WOW, that doesnt nessasarly mean it was added to compete with WAR.

    3) Again, "Tier" and "Four" come to mind, AV is closer to WAR pvp then this new map is. And what are these other maps you speak of?

    4) "John look at this game, how are we EVER going to beat THAT! JUST LOOK AT IT, THE SUN ISNT SHINING"       "Add some fog and include dry patches in the grass! AND ADD PALM TREES, THATS DARK"

  • Posted: 8/12/08 6:00 PM
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• • WOTLK - DDAY style battleground Info

  • Originally posted by Gazenthia
    

    Originally posted by JustBe
    

    WAR didn't invent assault style maps and nore did DAOC.....

    
    Everyone copies ideas off eachother otherwise we wouldn't any of the good games or products we do now. also it's pretty easy to see this as a natural progression from the old battlegrounds.

     

    Though I do agree atm this battleground just looks bad.

     

    That may be true, however it doesn't prove others wrong in spirit and I think you and a few others know that deep inside. I think it is pretty damn obvious that this is supposed to compete with WAR. There are a lot of natural routes of progressions from the old battlegrounds, this was just one of them.
    
    IMO it probably will be bad simply because it was created to as an answer to WAR, and essentially they tried to fit all of WAR into a single BG. Itll help them with retention and sales, but it will actually suck in practice.

     

    I honestly dont know how people see this as a rip from the WAR concept of tiered combat, the only similarities are the words "Tier" and "Four". The first thing that comes to my mind when I see this battleground is an assault map using walls and gates to pace the combat depending on how well the players are doing so they dont just run all the way to the end to win the game (Which im guessing they saw from AV).

  • Posted: 8/12/08 4:44 PM
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• • How long have you played WoW?

  • Since release  with a few 2-3 month breaks, I think I took one in 05, one in 07 and a break for 3 months while I got a new pc.

  • Posted: 8/03/08 3:10 AM
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• • Wow cant believe this lol

  • Originally posted by Pappy13
    

    The real question then is, just what is Blizzard doing with all these stolen souls?  Perhaps once they have completely saturated the market of stolen souls, they'll come out with a game where you can get your soul back and charge you like $50 a month for it.  Sneaky.  I'm on to you Blizz.

     

    Its the next gen MMO!!!

  • Posted: 7/24/08 4:55 PM
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