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• • When it comes to PK'ing, time really is money.

  • Originally posted by 08030
    

    I cant say that I agree with the OP. Any  PvP Guild / Clan thats worth being a member of helps it's members get the items / lvls to be effective in pvp. If your guild dosn't do this then leave and join one that does. Also You can still get lvls even if you only have a few hours of play time simply by planning out your party and the character classes that each of you play along with scheduling play time hours for that party (by planning out your party I mean things like how many party members, quality of gear, where will we lvl, what type of party will we roll with AOE or single mobs, nukes or DD, these are all things to be considered) Doing this enables you to take max advantage of the exp per hour, helps you to learn each others others play style and become better organized for pvp. The excuse I dont have the gear or the lvls is to be blunt, the battle cry of the carebears imo.

    All items in game come from time spent.  Be it your time or someone elses.  You make my point for me.  Belong to a guild with a lot of people with more time, they will get better gear and that guild will, generally speaking, have better players.

    Does this mean this is how it works 100% of the time, of course not.  But it does affect play more than many in this thread are willing to admit.

  • Posted: 7/25/08 12:57 PM
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• • When it comes to PK'ing, time really is money.

  • Originally posted by go4broke
    

    Funny most poeple who I see doing the PK thing on a regular basis are the ones most likely to buy gold from online gold sellers.

    While my evidence is anecdotal here, I'm guessing many of us can point to others whom we know do the same.  The reason they give for doing this is that they dont' have enough time to get all the rewards etc, so they just buy them using rmt.

    Why I bring this up is that this would seem to be very counter to your point of the people with the most in game time being those who PK the most. 

    Further, if anything my experience with hardcore PK people is that they dont' spend hours online sharing in a community but instead log in.. kill/grief for 30 minutes - 1hr and then log off.  They tend to not participate within the communities at large (which takes a large time investment)

    My only comment is that I didn't mention where the "time" was spent.  The money most people use to buy via RMT was earned spending TIME, in game or out.  In MMORPG's time really does equal money.

    I see your point about maximization of time, but perhaps, the PK'ers you speak of that don't participate in the more social aspects of the game do so not by choice, but of of necessity, because time spent not PK'ing or PvE'ing is wasted.  Players fear they will fall behind earning "realm" point's, honor, money, all things acquired over time used to make the character more powerful (not the player).

     

  • Posted: 7/25/08 12:54 PM
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• • When it comes to PK'ing, time really is money.

  • Originally posted by Dominisi
    

    
     

    Wrong.

    Anybody can get online, and run up to a person and kill them within 30 seconds.

    PvE, espically non-solo, raid Pve takes hours, and hours, and hours.

    First you have to find a group, then it takes the hours to run it.

    What takes more time?

    Sure, the more you practice PvP, the better you get, but the more you PvE, the better gear you get, the more practice you get, the better you are.

    PvE takes longer, unless its a one-player, or solo PvE system.

    I bet in my game of choice you couldn't "run up to me and kill me in 30 sec".  You try that in most games and your success rate would be pretty low.

    Now spend hours and hours PvE'ing for uber gear in the raids you spek of and your success rate will rise.  Your success will have little to do with your practice in PvE (beyond learing the game for the first time).  It will of course have to do with the point of the OP which is that time > skill.....

     

     

  • Posted: 7/25/08 12:47 PM
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• • When it comes to PK'ing, time really is money.

  • Originally posted by Jerid13
    

    your statement is biased against people who have time to play video games... or rather you assume that people who have time have no skill.

    Did you get PKed a lot in the last game you played?

    So much so you had to go on this board and make fun of everyone who disgraced you so horribly?

    Wow...

    just Wow...

    they had skill enough to kill you sir, and I'm sure EVERY PKer has better gear than you.

    as we say in world of warcraft,  go QQ somewhere elce

     

    This statement and those like it are usually made by those with time doing the killing.  Those that dismiss my position, as this reply above or label me as a "carebare",  something that people only assume and really know little about, is a way for you and those like you to defend your position without supporting it with any real, tangible information.  The truth is that players who spend their time (or money in the case of RMT) have more success in game, generally speaking. 

    When you can't attack my position you attack me.....

    The reality is hard to accept because it means that most PK'ers or any player at the top for that matter, have to admit to themselves that the acquisition of uber gear has more to do with their success than the amount of skill they have in the game.  Of course the players at the apex of any game are those with both time and skill, it's all relitive.  The point being, that all things being equal, the player with more time will have more success than those without.  Even if those without have greater skill (again, in most cases).

    Does that mean you can't play 1hr a day and be successful?  No that would be silly, there are extremely skilled players who have little time and are successful, but put beside the player who plays 8 hours a day, one could rightly argue the player will less time and greater achievement isn't rightly rewarded for his skill.

    Truth is I am a PK'er, a skilled PK'er who revels in the thought that I can still win without spending more than 2hrs a day online.

    Only games like UT, CS, Quake and its likenesses are games where skill is everything and time only brings knowlage. 

    I know there are a lot of skilled players out there that want a game that dosen't allow items (read:time or money) to be interchangable with skill...

  • Posted: 7/25/08 12:40 PM
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• • some info on DNL 2.0 for _Pix_

  • Originally posted by -Inferno-
    

    Woa... this forum still exists? And DnL still exists? Amazing...

     

    My sentiments excactly...

  • Posted: 7/25/08 8:05 AM
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