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• • How did RoK go wrong?

  • Originally posted by ethion
    

    Ok here are the numbers I gathered this evening from both EQ2 and Vanguard.  It is broken down by level ranges till max level.  Max level is broken down by class types.  This was because doing a straight who would come back with two many matches.  In the case of vanguard I had to do it by indifidual classes where in eq2 I could use archtypes.

    Seradon @9PM PST
    1-10 117
    11-20 98
    21-30 89
    31-40 65
    41-49 74
    50
    DK 13
    Pal 14
    War 17
    BM 14
    CL 26
    Dis 15
    Sha 21
    Bard 20
    Monk 9
    Ran 20
    Rog 12
    Dru 13
    Necro 16
    Psi 15
    Sorc 17
    Total 685
    
    Antonica Balye 9:15PM PST
    1-10 48
    11-20 53
    21-30 53
    31-40 35
    41-50 52
    51-60 31
    61-70 51
    71-79 79
    80
    Scout 44
    Mage 47
    Fighter 45
    Priest 38
    Total 576
     

    
     

    As I play on AB server in Eq2 I find these numbers very low and very hard to believe. There are more than 80 people on for the 70-80s  especially at prime time thats for damn sure.   I think your lying....

    Anyway, werent we droping this and going back to the original topic?

  • Posted: 11/16/08 8:24 AM
    Everquest II
• • When a scout can tank...

  • Originally posted by sortec
    

    Being a swashie in eq2 I can attest that if you needed a chain tank for any reason, that would be the only class that could do it.  HOWEVER, we only have 2 little taunts.  So, it would be easy to lose agro to a wizzie or coercer.  Plus, you need a pretty good healer because a lot of the mobs in the lvl 80 instances hit like mack trucks!

    I have tanked before, but not because I wanted to.  Our main tank fell, and I had to pick up the slack while the necro rezed him.  The healers (fury/mystic combo) were working their butts off to keep me up.  It is possible, but is it preferred or desierable?  No.

     

    I will also say that I can tank because 90% of the time I 2 box solo with my mystic.  So, I know what I can handle and what I cant and what I need to do to get out of trouble.

     

    I also main tanked a guild writ.  That was not by choice.  Our MT LD'ed just as we started the writ.  If I didn't step up, the rest of the guild would have been locked out for 3 days.  Being an officer, I felt it was my duty to give it a shot.  It was a long afternoon, but we did it.  Careful single pulls, agro control, and well thought out attacks.

     

    Now, what does all this say about plate tanks?  If we had our MT, what took us 2 hours probably would have only taken 30 minutes and been a piece of cake.  So, your statements about them not being needed is a far stretch.

     

    The better debate is which makes the better plate tank... Guard, Pally, SK, Zerker?  Personally, I like an SK or a Zerker tank.  They each have their strengths and the group gets built around it.  Zerkers are also become plate scouts with their massive amounts of DPS and total survivability.  They can stand in there and take hits a lot better.  Yea, scouts have better avoidance, and there is the whole argument of avoidance vs mit.  But I do not want to hijack this thread to start that discussion ;)

     

    I didnt say tanks werent needed at all, I said they were becoming obsolete...Especially for grp instances.  brigs/Swash rip aggro from almost any tank that is not fabled, they do unbelievable damage...and they have outstanding avoidance.  Heck, I solo heal maidens with 5 scouts.  And its not tough at all.   I think that a T8 grp instance should require plate defensive tank minimum, and thatr is not the case anymore.  Thats all I meant. 

  • Posted: 11/14/08 9:34 AM
    Everquest II
• • When a scout can tank...

  • It may be overrated, but that looks like where the developers are taking this game imo.  I guess time will tell all once again.  We have a week till TSO then we will see in about 2 months after that what we have to work with I guess.  Hopefully some changes are made in the favor of classes being able to perform their sole function as they were meant to.

  • Posted: 11/14/08 9:18 AM
    Everquest II
• • When a scout can tank...

  • Originally posted by Locklain
    

    Originally posted by Smilex0311
    

    Originally posted by Nadia
    

    the only scout I'm aware of for tanking capability is Swashbuckler/Brigand

     

    what class did you see tanking?  

    "scout" is kind of generic - it covers 6 classes

    eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Scout

    
     

    Swash and Brigand...  2/6.  Or so the people claim.  Though I have personally witnessed a Brigand tank.

    That's all fine and dandy since no one wants to tank or heal anymore. . .now we have DPS tanks and DPS healers.

    Exactly!!! I think what we are starting to see here is that MMOs are moving towards becomming classless and more skill based.  Like the AA trees in EQ2 , imagine all abilities, and spells, attacks all assigned by points.... kinda like the Darkfall myth.
     

  • Posted: 11/14/08 9:06 AM
    Everquest II
• • When a scout can tank...

  • Originally posted by Nadia
    

    the only scout I'm aware of for tanking capability is Swashbuckler/Brigand

     

    what class did you see tanking?  

    "scout" is kind of generic - it covers 6 classes

    eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Scout

    
     

    Swash and Brigand...  2/6.  Or so the people claim.  Though I have personally witnessed a Brigand tank.

  • Posted: 11/14/08 9:00 AM
    Everquest II