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    To Moaky:

    I totally agree.  Why the hell has no one taken your advice?  Every game should just be a copy of EQ with a slightly different background.  I can't even BEGIN to imagine how fun EQ with a Star Wars facelift would be to play.

  • Posted: 8/05/08 9:47 PM
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• • Do you Really Hate? What is Your Definition? Thanks Donjn

  • Originally posted by Hoplites
    

    Originally posted by Bronks
    

    Originally posted by eccoton
    

    
     You start this thread in reguards to SOE. I thought that was your main interest. However as the thread goes on you say it is really about the word hate and it's use. So I guess if that is really what you wanted to talk about then I wonder why even start a thread here at mmorpg? Why not take it to some english and it's use forums? Seems you are more intrested in semantics. However I am here to talk about MMOs. Good luck in your search for the devine truth to the word "Hate" in relationship to SOE.

    Oh, by the way you did not touch any nerve at all. I was just pointing out to those that may have missed it your responses are filled with little jabs.

     

    Obviously, SOE was the main inspiration for this post becuase I hear the word hate and SOE in almost every bashing tread. My original question was if it was truly hate players felt towards a company. I did not start this in an english grammer forum because english scholars would not throw a word like hate around so casually. Hate and MMO gaming is an all too common trend and I am sure there is some college student creating a thesis for their master's degree about this very issue.

     

     

    Hate is commonly used to describe anything disliked these days.  It seems you are having trouble embracing this reality.

    If you stick with the old usage of the word you are revealing your age and the rest of us who remember a time when the word hate was used in an entire different category.

    People say "I am hungry" all the time when it fact they are not , but the meaning of the word has changed due to how society uses it in their everyday lives.

     

    Good job!  The OP will, of course, ignore this fact, but good job nonetheless.  The idea that the OP seems to be proposing is that language, specifically the word hate's definition, should be entirely rigid and not change.  He'll be damned if a mere 1558 years of English language evolution is going to stop him in his quest for rigidity.  For an example, lets use the word "starving".  Today, people use it to describe intense hunger, but, a few hundred years ago, it actually was used to describe feeling very cold.  Similarly, look at the word "redneck".  It is currently used to describe, in an offensive way, someone considered uncultured, bigoted, etc.  Its original usage was to describe Covenaters in Scotland in 1600s because they wore red pieces of cloth around their neck in support of their cause.  Alternately, in America, the term stems from the West Virginia Coal Miners March who wore red bandanas around their neck to show their desire to unionize. 

    I sympathize with the OP's desire to preserve the memory of acts of hate and violence throughout all of history, but that doesn't mean that you have to enslave a word to those acts.  Just as you can use hate to describe many varying degrees of dislike, in this day and age, you can use other words to describe those acts besides hate.  I think that the idea that hate is the only appropriate word is misguided.

  • Posted: 7/15/08 10:40 PM
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• • Do you Really Hate? What is Your Definition? Thanks Donjn

  • Originally posted by Bronks
    

    Originally posted by Semper9a
    

    It's extremely easy to hate SOE for what they did, and just because people post about it on these, or any other forums, doesn't mean the hate has consumed their life.  Would you be making this same post if I had purchased a car from Kia, it didn't work well, so I said, "I'm never going to buy a Kia ever again, and I don't like the company."  Mu suspicion is that you would not.

    The fact of the matter is, Sony ruined something that a lot of people enjoyed because they're a ridiculous company.  The fact that myself, and others, don't really want to be associated with a company that will screw over it's player base doesn't make us hate-filled or unreasonable, and I resent the suggestion to the contrary.  Our reaction, I feel, is something a rational human being would do if they were abused by a company.  It's a personal choice to not associate with a company that has treated us poorly in the past, and, in our eyes, they can't do anything that would redeem themselves in our eyes.  It's our personal choice to feel that way, but, once again, that doesn't mean we are obsessed with the notion of SOE or anything of that nature.

    I find it rather amusing that you berate the people on these forums for what you deem as wasting their energy ranting about SOE, and then, in the same breath, write an entire forum post where you admit to not only reading all those posts, but then go on to make a post about how much you disagree with those posts.  If there is something better that all of these "hate-filled players" can be spending their energy on, doesn't that make it doubly true for people that post about posts made by the hate-filled players?

    Perhaps you too, can use this thread as a discussion forum for how to better use your energy.

     

    See? A simple discussion thread cannot occur without someone taking offense and beginning to sling mud. Let me understand (because I truly want to understand). Are you so high on moral ethics that you will intentionally pay more for a game from one store because you don't believe in the ethics of the cheaper selling store? If Walmart has something for $20 cheaper than Gamestop, do you still buy from Gamestop?

    (It should be noted that Walmart uses scare tactics to get what it wants from its suppliers and has intentionally shut down may supply companies (particularly in America) that would not offer their goods to Walmart at 'rollback' prices.)

     

    I fully understand being mad. I am mad at SOE for ruining SWG but I internallize my feelings. I am mad at SOE for what has become of EQ1 and MXO. As I stated above, the people that dislike sony REALLY dislike sony and I find it strange to keep hanging on to that anger. And the hatemongers have no problem hijacking innocent treads by people (both the next generation of MMO players and old-school MMO players alike) who couldn't care what Sony did to EQ, or SWG or anything else Sony did.

    I would just like the haters to start a hate Sony thread and I can safely say I won't pop in to give any Kudos to Sony.

     

    So what if sony ruined my SWG? I probably would have spent the monthly sub fee on alcohol or drugs anyways

     

    My opinion had nothing to do with ethics or morals, it has to do with being a rational human being.  Let me sum this up on another analogy that you'll fail to grasp:

    If a man walks up to me and smashes me in the face with a hammer.  I'd be pretty upset, now, if I just let him keep doing this to me, I'd be an idiot.  To relate this back to SWG, SOE took something that brought a lot of people happiness and joy, it wasn't perfect, but a lot of us were happy.  They then changed that thing into something horrid, and it pissed all of us off.  For an analogy, see the post about beer in this thread.  We know dislike, hate, loathe, etc. SOE for what they did.

    Your entire problem with people disliking SOE seems to come from their use of the word "hate".  You seem to accord some special significance to the word, which is your right, but that doesn't mean that your definition is the one we're all going with, and I'd be willing to bet most people go with something like "intense dislike".  You admonish me for taking some supposed ethical high ground, while at the same time telling "SOE Haters" their feelings are wrong simply because you don't agree with their word choice based on your own definition of the word.

  • Posted: 7/09/08 2:03 PM
    General Discussion
• • Do you Really Hate? What is Your Definition? Thanks Donjn

  • Originally posted by tvalentine
    

    Originally posted by Bronks
    

    Originally posted by Semper9a
    

    In principal the two things are the same.  You buy or pay for something, and your experience with the purchased item ends up leaving a bad taste in your mouth.  If you don't like the car analogy, feel free to use a cell phone, or a meal at a restaurant, the same principal applies.

     

    So, you buy a game for $40 and it gets ruined 3 years later so you are mad because the game didn't give you your $40 worth...

     

    You then buy a case of beer for $40 (I live in Canada - it's expensive to drink here) and find a dead bug in the bottom of a bottle so you never buy beer again?

     

    
     

    your analogy is close. It would be more like buying a beer you like and drinking it for months. Then the beer company decides to change the recipe on your favorite beer, and it tastes like shit thereafter. So you dont buy it, and you dislike them for taking away the flavor of your favorite beer.

     

    Thank you for pointing out his flawed analogy so that I didn't have to.

  • Posted: 7/09/08 1:46 PM
    General Discussion
• • Do you Really Hate? What is Your Definition? Thanks Donjn

  • In principal the two things are the same.  You buy or pay for something, and your experience with the purchased item ends up leaving a bad taste in your mouth.  If you don't like the car analogy, feel free to use a cell phone, or a meal at a restaurant, the same principal applies.

  • Posted: 7/08/08 7:21 PM
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