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• • The problem with this game through the eyes of a pvper!

  • Originally posted by apertotes
    

    so much red is confusing you. if you think EVE is such a bad game, just forget about it and find a better game. but i think that  you are simply jealous cause you didnt succeed on the game and thus you feel the need turn it down for the rest.

    unfortunately for you, you are not succeding here either. EVE is a wonderful game, and more than 250.000 players are enjoying it.

    what is funny is that during your last interventions you have completely forgotten about the topic of the thread (whether a new player can compete or not) to focuss on a few perceived problems. i pity you.

    
     

    Aparently these things aren't game balance issues either. And the dev's said eve sucks, lets not foget about that. Oh, I know you have no proof, but why should you provide proof.

    Everyone should completely ignore this guy. He's from the Something Awful forums, and that makes him a goonie in eve.

    I've got better than even odds that he's here trying to disrupt the EVE-online section of the MMORPG.COM forums on someone's "orders."

    You see they've launched a number of overt attacks on CCP and EVE on a number of forums and websites on "orders" (incidently this is why he's on so much about the Band of Brothers thing).

    -S

  • Posted: 7/09/08 12:26 AM
    EVE Online
• • The problem with this game through the eyes of a pvper!

  • Originally posted by damian7
    

    Originally posted by Revthought
    
    

    As for the other garbage you're spewing here. First I don't agree that POS warfare is "garbage." I do agree that there are some issues with game balance relating to POSes and soveriegnty, but you're saying something much stronger than I.   not talking about sovereignty.  talking about blobbing being the way you take out a pos.  talking about boring as hell sieging of pos.  talking about any type of activity requiring blobbing to accomplish a map changing goal.  talking about blobbing destroying game play because game mechanics cause you to blob to do "stuff".   i've been incredibly plain spoken in this.

    Second what do I define as balance? Well if you bothered to read my other posts in this thread you'd have taken note of the things that ALL MMO companies do in constantly updating and balancing their games.  but i dance around answers????????????  really, so if i sit here and stare at a screen on which i can see nothing on eve at all -- explain, using the tiny engrishes how that is a balance issue.  how is it that game mechanics force you to blob; but fixing that problem is a balance issue?  are the blobs overpowered?  are the (now buffed) pos overpowered?  what is being balanced?

    And before you tell me I'm wrong about what balance is, I will remind you that I spent two years working for a major MMO company doing game design for a major MMO. vanguard and then tabula rasa eh?    I'm quite certain I'm in a better position than you are to determine the boundaries of the category "game balancing" in respect to MMO implimentation and development. i'm the pope.  prove i'm not.  cuz that's the argument you're using on me, so i call shenanigans on your "i'm a dev", you still haven't defined balance in a way that makes any bloody sense.  is this that classic fallback argument of "i dunno wut imma talkin bout, so imma make up crazy stuff and sound impo tant?"

    The rest of what you've said is really incomprehensible. What the hell are you talking about? Buffing and blowing crap like "I like the taste of your tears?" Did you learn your argumentation style from the school of 5th grade lunch time? you just proved you've never stepped out of high sec.  s'ok, i'm sure an itty bitty bug will bee buzzing by you in your safe 1.0 soon.  as askaninja says, "i look forward to kiling you soon!" omg omg omg 

    yeah, askaninja is a red herring, but they do have black, just not yellow.

    see, when people dispute facts, i can bee-come silly with it.  don't let all that buzzing around your head bee a reason to confuse facts with what bee not real.

    I'd also like to point out that the only person who seems to be whining and crying about anything here is you.  again, it's my fault that you're in a corp that only has 20 people and can't muster a 1000 folks to fight?

    "Eve sucks!"

    "Pos warfare sucks"

    "The devs say so!!!"

    "What do you mean you want me to support what I say!! I don't have to!"

    Kthnxbyedrivethrough.

    S

     

    
     

    Damian,

    1. You aren't talking about the soveriegnty system, you're talking about blobing? You change your mind so many times that its really hard to keep track of what you're talking about.

    Blobing, or the getting together of large fleets to acomplish certain goals, is part of the game.

    You don't like that you have to get together large fleets to make map altering advances in the game? What would you propose instead? That an alliance should be allowed to dispute anothers territory with 2 or 3 guys in frigates? Maybe in Battleships? What exactly should be required to "take space."

    This kind of thing is classic game balance. These a questions that developers try and cope with at all stages of a games implimentation and life. If you don't like the choices the devs have made so far, that's fine. Don't play eve, or go offer your thoughts in the game development forum of eve-online.

    You might be surprised because CCP actually, pays attention to the community. However, if CCP doesn't change the game exactly how you want it, don't be surprised either. The people making the game know a hell of a lot more about their game, and game design, than you do.

    So don't be insulted and claim the game is broken because it doesn't meet your standards.

    2. The staring at your screen seeing nothing bit (I'll assume you're talking dysnc and lag here) is a server load issue. So you're right, that's not game balancing. The problem for you is, that every game in existence has this same problem. Sorry.

    Other companies "solve" this problem by instancing and zoning. In eve they have multiple level zoning, but once you get over a hundred people in a zone, you've got a load problem. To my knowledge this cannot be fixed really without changing what eve is.

    If you want a sandbox game where you can have 150 on 150 fights at all... you've got to live with it. If that's too much for you, great, don't play eve. I actually give CCP kudos for mimizing dysnc issues as much as they have considering.

    3. No, I never worked for Sigil, and I'm not from the UK. I cannot actually tell you what game(s) I worked on, in the off chance I ever want to work in the video game industry again (I quit to pursue a Phd in Political Science).

    Its just not worth it to reveal my "identity" when discussing game design, because you never know who is reading this and how that will effect you in the future. Plain as that.

    3. Hahahaha! Now you're complaining that I'm not providing you proof I am a "dev!" What did you say, "smart people find the evidence themselves?" :-) Now perhaps you're understanding a bit why you look like a muppet saying stuff like "eve devs say their game sucks in the dev blogs, but I don't have a link."

    Regardless, I have a few things to say here. First, I am no longer a "dev" on any game. I left the video game industry in 2006 to pursue a graduate degree.

    Second, me talking about my background should not be read as an appeal to my own authority. All I am trying to do is provide you with a little background. Take it or leave it, its up to you.

    On a personal level though, after having worked on 2 MMOs and 6 console titles I find it amusing when you try to assert that new player experience, competitiveness (essentialyl xp gain,) and pvp mechanics are not balance issues.

    They certainly are, and for that matter, it doesn't take ANY experience making video games to intuit that.

    4. I think you've just proved that you've never stepped out of high-sec if I read you correctly. Are you saying that low-sec is filled with pirates talking about "tasting your tears?" If so, that's totally ridiculous. You're spending way too much time in CAOD and Crime and Punishment if you think that's what low-sec is like.

    The last fight I was in went sort of like this.

    "gf"

    "gf, sorry I had you damped like that"

    "Hehe np I had sentries too"

    "That doesn't help any"

    "Nope"

    "I left some stuff in your can that I couldn't carry"

    "cheers"

    "np I'm sure that you'll be able to do the same for me sometime"

    "most likely :-)"

    4. The whole "bee" thing. So you are a goon? You're a member of the SA retard squad that intentionally tries to disrupt EVE and once tried to sue CCP. I now suddenly understand your constant negativity and your continuos non-sense here. I suggest everyone go to the EVE forums and read the Corporation Alliance Organization Discussion forums. Look for people in goonswarm. Damian's behavior will suddenly have context.

    5. What does the size of my corp have to do with anything at all? Nothing. More nonsense from you.

    6. Finally, knowing that you are straight from the SA puts you in complete context for me. I can now, and I was close already, completely dismiss anything that you say. You are a waste of everyone's time both here and in any other forum you might spam, so this conversation is over.

    -S

  • Posted: 7/08/08 2:44 PM
    EVE Online
• • A game of hatred, anger and grief ?

  • Originally posted by damian7
    

    Originally posted by Revthought
    

    Originally posted by damian7
    

    Originally posted by Revthought
    

    Originally posted by damian7
    

    i really think it's more a game of hookers, anarchists and gold-diggers, rather than hatred, anger and grief.

     

     

    
     

    Wait!? You aren't exactly flaming eve.

    And don't forget Marxists. Me and my characters are Marxists.

    S

     

    http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2123012#2123012    << that

     

     

    i'm not flaming eve, i'm *correcting* people who are making wildly inaccurate statements about eve, and attempting to correct some commonly spread fallacies about the role of rookie pilots in the game.

    it gets tiresome reading the same old incorrect statements being told as if gospel and everyone that disputes them being labelled as anti-eve or as someone that doesn't play.

     

    THOSE are the people that give eve a craptastic name.  i don't even call those people fanbois.  i just see them as incredibly lost and to be pitied for championing something that doesn't need championing.

    
     

    I beg to differ. I get new players every day applying to my corp and enjoying eve.

    You're making much to do about nothing, imho. That and by saying stuff like "the devs think eve sucks" you're actually the one spreading misinformation about EVE online, and what its like to play.

    And I'm curious, since you only care about the "new" players of eve, why are you even bothering asserting that eve sucks because of POS warfare? That's end game stuff that new players aren't going to encounter at all. Not to mention I'm a player at "end game" who has NEVER taken part in a POS siege. Never ever.

    Its easily avoidable if it isn't your thing.

    -S

     

    so now i care about the new players joining eve?  i care that they are given the correct information.  so that, 3 months down the road they don't go "damn, those people were idiots and knew nothing they were talking about".  which is exactly what i said at about 3 months and is what i've noticed a number of others saying when they were told the lies that are spread as truth on this forum.

    why do you people keep saying "hey new players are enjoying eve".  i have NEVER contested that.  never.  but i'm the one that has issues reading?  let me say it again -- everyone and their mother can ENJOY playing the game -- that has nothing to do with it being broken, OR with people spewing forth untruths about the skill system and new players.  NOTHING.  is that such a hard concept?  that a game can be so great that core mechanics in the game ARE screwed up and yet lots of people can still enjoy the game immensely?  is that idea so completely alien that it can't be understood?  or, should some people be playing wow, cuz the complicated game is too far over their head?   yeah, that's what i'm thinking.

    you're at "end game" and have never taken part in a pos siege... you've just proven my point that you have no clue what you're talking about when it comes to blobs, pos and desync. 

    so OF COURSE you've never encountered these completely BROKEN aspects of the game.  but please, do argue that the game is great and the devs aren't doing their damndest to fix the game and even the game mechanics behind these empire-building mess ups.

     

    Damian,

    You see what you are saying here is all subjective bullshit, to be frank. You assert repeatedly that the core mechanics of eve are "broken."

    This simply isn't the case. The core mechanics of the game are working as intended. You don't like how they work? You'd rather have to grind off levels so people can "compete" quicker?

    You're playing the wrong fucking game, boy-o.

    And again, you've far from proven any of your points. You challenge that new players can eventually catch up and be competitive... but I'm an example of someone who started playing in 2006 and can go toe to toe with ANYONE in the game.

    Sure, I don't have the same total skill points as everyone, but who cares? There is more to eve character development than total skill points, which you can't seem to understand.

    As for me proving that I have "no idea what I'm talking about," well frankly that's just stupid. So you'd have me believe that the only time you'd ever encounter dysnc or a blob is in POS warfare? You lead a far too sheltered eve-life, friend.

    And nobody ever said the game was perfect. AGAIN BECAUSE YOU JUST DON'T (OR REFUSE) TO UNDERSTAND ANYTHING ABOUT GAME DESIGN I NEED TO REPEAT MYSELF. THERE IS NO PERFECT GAME. EVERY MMO IN EXISTENCE HAS A DEVELOPMENT STAFF CONTINUOUSLY WORKING TO FIX BUGS AND ADJUST GAME BALANCE. TAKE THE GAME I WORKED ON. WHEN I LEFT THE COMPANY IN QUESTION THERE WERE 80,000 KNOWN BUGS (STILL OPEN AND NOT FIXED).

    THAT'S NOT EVEN COUNTING HOW BROKEN THE PVP WAS BECAUSE OF LEVEL SCALING AND CLASS IMBALANCE.

    But, hey, you've got an agenda obviously. To spam the eve-o threads and to paint eve in the worst light you possibly can.

    No amount of discussion with you is going to make a difference. Whatever we say, you'll still sit in the mud and scream about how "broken" eve is.

    -S

  • Posted: 7/08/08 1:58 PM
    EVE Online
• • A game of hatred, anger and grief ?

  • Originally posted by damian7
    

    Originally posted by Revthought
    

    Originally posted by damian7
    

    i really think it's more a game of hookers, anarchists and gold-diggers, rather than hatred, anger and grief.

     

     

    
     

    Wait!? You aren't exactly flaming eve.

    And don't forget Marxists. Me and my characters are Marxists.

    S

     

    http://mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2123012#2123012    << that

     

     

    i'm not flaming eve, i'm *correcting* people who are making wildly inaccurate statements about eve, and attempting to correct some commonly spread fallacies about the role of rookie pilots in the game.

    it gets tiresome reading the same old incorrect statements being told as if gospel and everyone that disputes them being labelled as anti-eve or as someone that doesn't play.

     

    THOSE are the people that give eve a craptastic name.  i don't even call those people fanbois.  i just see them as incredibly lost and to be pitied for championing something that doesn't need championing.

    
     

    I beg to differ. I get new players every day applying to my corp and enjoying eve.

    You're making much to do about nothing, imho. That and by saying stuff like "the devs think eve sucks" you're actually the one spreading misinformation about EVE online, and what its like to play.

    And I'm curious, since you only care about the "new" players of eve, why are you even bothering asserting that eve sucks because of POS warfare? That's end game stuff that new players aren't going to encounter at all. Not to mention I'm a player at "end game" who has NEVER taken part in a POS siege. Never ever.

    Its easily avoidable if it isn't your thing.

    -S

  • Posted: 7/08/08 1:53 AM
    EVE Online
• • The problem with this game through the eyes of a pvper!

  • Originally posted by damian7
    

    Originally posted by Revthought
    

    Damian,

    Lmfao. How you fail. You were asked for a simple thing, references to support your assertion that the "devs have continuously posted about how broken their game is and how much it sucks."

    Instead of doing this (because you cannot actually do this since no such dev communications exist) you spam in all red font about how a bunch of different stuff is "broken."  intelligent people look up things themselves.  intelligent people can also make out differences in what is a tweak, a balance, and what is a fix.

    Sorry, bud, but you can use all the misdirection you want, but you've still failed to produce one single link to support the stuff you were previously arguing.  too lazy, don't care what a rookie thinks.

    AND AGAIN, all you have done is point out that CCP has made changes to their game for balance issues. desync is a balance issue?  blob warfare is a balance issue?  pos warfare... what's balanced about the fixes they tried to fix that broken thing? SO WHAT? EVERY OTHER MMO IN EXISTENCE MAKES CONTENT BALANCING CHANGES CONSTANTLY. so, you're REALLY comparing a paladin's uber attack getting nerfed to a reasonable level (a balance/tweak) to blob warfare causing massive desync and making REAL pos warfare a pain in the ass and luck of the draw to determine a winner?  really? seriously?  do you even play eve?  outside of high sec, i mean.  by you harping on this "balance" thing - you obviously have never laid siege to anything.

    BASICALLY, WHAT YOU ARE REALLY SAYING IF CONENT CHANGES BOTHER YOU IS THAT EVERY MMO IN EXISTENCE SUCKS, NOT JUST EVE. reading comprehension isn't just for breakfast any more.  i'd LOVE content change.  how exactly have their *balances* (which are actually attempts at fixing something broken) helping POS warfare?  have the blobs gone away?

    I'm only shouting because I've noticed how you've completely ignored everything that I've said in this thread. you typed in all caps.  i figured it just went hand in hand with the reading comprehension thing.

    Ignoring me won't make me go away, and by failing to address the most salient critiques of your anti-eve trolling just makes you look like a fool.  by failing to understand basic principles painfully evident to anyone that's been in a fleet battle, you make yourself look very well informed on everything that's not high sec eve carebearing.  you win.
    

    S

     

    maybe if you were my mommy i would feel obligated to look up quotes.  you/'re not.  what's funny, is how hard you're crying.  your tears bring me joy.  sound familiar?  i'm sure you've heard them from me, or one of my friends, if you play eve.  skeery huh?  you can even do bad things to people in high sec, if you are irked enough.

    what do you define as balance?

    what do you define as?

    what do you define?

    what do you?

    what do?

    what is it that makes you call pos warfare being GARBAGE --- as balance? 

    "balance" does not mean what you think it means.

    fixing blob warfare is not a balance issue.  blob warfare is a game breaking issue.

    what about DESYNC is balance?  "hey guys, we have a balancing issue, if too many people arrive in a system, the system craps out.  we really need to fix this BALANCE issue. no, balance doesn't mean if one ship is way better than another ship of the same class.  that's um, that's something other than balance"

    how is fixing desync issues, which were denied to exist for a lonnnnnnnnnnnnng time, a BALANCE issue? "hey guys, we have another balance issue -- people are like playing the game and they get to this point where they can't see anything in the game, and it happens when there's this blob warfare going on... we really need to fix this BALANCE issue".     seriously?  that's balance?  remember, i'm not anti-eve, i'm anti-stupid/ignorant/delusional.  and your tears bring me joy.

    what about heat being added to extend fight times is BALANCE? 

    what about titans being reduced to the role they were originally stated as having, have to do with balance?

     

    dude, do you even know what eve is? do you have any idea what the word 'balance' means in regards to a game?

    balance is one cruiser being overpowered compared to another. you nerf the overpowered one, or buff the underpowered one.  THAT is balance.  POS warfare being jacked to hell and back is NOT a balance issue -- it is a broken game mechanic.  BROKEN, as in NOT working.  it no workie right... that's why they made some changes to try and 'fix' a broken game mechanic.  said changes didn't pan out.  hence pos warfare is still no fun, boring, broken... unless you bribe someone to keep their fleet away so it no lock nuffin up.

    tweaking is modifying start/down times for a mod, increasing/decreasing damage done by a type of ammo.  tweaking could be called balancing as well.

     

    your tears

    your tears bring

    your tears bring me

    your tears bring me uncontrollable laughter until i almost wet myself.

     

     

    
     

    Damian,

    No. That's not how it works. You are making claims about what the dev's have said. It is your responsibility to provide proof that what you are saying is true.

    It is not up to everyone else to look up the evidence that you offered as supporting your arguments. When people write books that make an argument, they provide proof. They don't simply make the argument and say "its up to you to find my support for me."

    If someone were to do this as an academic they'd

    1. not be published at all

    2. lose their jobs

    3. be the laughing stock of their particular field

    4. all of the above.

    Its awfully convient though that you want other people to look up the eve dev blogs where they say eve "sucks." That way you can continue to make your bullshit comments without providing proof, and if someone DID look and didn't find anything, you'd probably just call them a liar. Very very convinient for you, eh?

    As for the other garbage you're spewing here. First I don't agree that POS warfare is "garbage." I do agree that there are some issues with game balance relating to POSes and soveriegnty, but you're saying something much stronger than I.

    Second what do I define as balance? Well if you bothered to read my other posts in this thread you'd have taken note of the things that ALL MMO companies do in constantly updating and balancing their games.

    And before you tell me I'm wrong about what balance is, I will remind you that I spent two years working for a major MMO company doing game design for a major MMO. I'm quite certain I'm in a better position than you are to determine the boundaries of the category "game balancing" in respect to MMO implimentation and development.

    The rest of what you've said is really incomprehensible. What the hell are you talking about? Buffing and blowing crap like "I like the taste of your tears?" Did you learn your argumentation style from the school of 5th grade lunch time?

    I'd also like to point out that the only person who seems to be whining and crying about anything here is you.

    "Eve sucks!"

    "Pos warfare sucks"

    "The devs say so!!!"

    "What do you mean you want me to support what I say!! I don't have to!"

    Kthnxbyedrivethrough.

    S

  • Posted: 7/07/08 8:45 PM
    EVE Online