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• • Tell me my children, do the words of Jonathan Blow and his view on World of Warcraft ring a chord in your heart?

  • Sorry people, I apologise for whatever part I had in turning this thread into a trolling competition.

    About that quoting comment - I just have a rule, I never edit what i quote.

    Once again, sorry.

  • Posted: 9/05/08 10:12 PM
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• • Tell me my children, do the words of Jonathan Blow and his view on World of Warcraft ring a chord in your heart?

  • To Jimmy_Scythe

    Since people (and bears) are starting to complain about red, I wont be quoting this time.

    While I do have a strange understanding of term "gamer", I at least know that gamer is not just "someone who plays games". I dunno wiki it or something...And while someone who plays just solitaire may fit official description, saying "I'm a gamer cause I play solitaire" sounds funny at best.

    About hanging out and playing - you obviously didn't get the difference between hanging out with someone cause u play together and playing with someone cause u hang out together...

    Even if your friend is a decent opponent u'll eventually tire of playing against him, that's where net hops in. And if he isn't? Not everyone likes playing at half his skill or on contrary loosing to someone who's twice as good as him. That's something net can take care of and ss can't.

    The difference between player who doesn't communicate and a "well made bot" is that second doesn't exist...

    Also Im not sure i played 4th SC -there's just to many fighting games to remember them all- but I don't remember any other fighting with split screen. It's two players on one screen, yes, but it's not being split.

    Maybe that's my eng. playing tricks on me but available and "available to buy" are not the same aren't they? When I posted about "net-play being available" I meant you can boot up your pc/console, and start playing, cause u have all u need for that already.

    Also, yes, if u're trying to observe what's happening on two monitors at the same time, or just have both of them in your view range that's distracting as well.

    While it's technically same game, it's still something your attention shouldn't be focused at. And it can also look different - an fps map can consist of sunlit area and a dark cave + there can be more movement and it can be more intensive (there's a reason some gamers buy those "fast" monitors).

    And another reason some escapist "act so fucked up online" is because of people offending them irl, against whom they can't "use negative re-enforcement" because they're weaker. So u think "negative re-enforcement" must only be applyed to those who are weak irl?

    And here's another story - Billy is afraid to go to scool because of "little kids" in school who keep beating him up. And guess what? This story continues as Billy grows. So u think he has the right to hate most people in the world and offend them?

    "At that point I realized that the problem with the gaming industry was hardcore gamers." Yeah, yeah...How many "hardcore gamers" have u seen trying to bend real life to their rules? U didn't get a thing from what I was posting about resort...

    "I realized that things I disliked the most were the things that hardcore gamers screamed for the most." Then how about playing something casual? With so much of that casual @#$% around, you wont even have to search for it... Instead u're complaining that hardcore gamers are spoiling game industry. Why don't we go ahead and change official volleyball rules so that those who can't get the ball over the net are allowed to get it under (or maybe remove the net?), and to hell with those who think it's a sport, and like it that way...

    "From my exp. people who offend others in online games mostly have no offline life That is exactly what I was getting at in my original post. The addendum to that is that most of those same people only play online because no one associate with them in real life."

    What you said in your original post is that most online players are bastards and thus have no real life. And I said that most online bastards have no real life. Those are two different statements.

  • Posted: 9/05/08 7:29 PM
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• • Tell me my children, do the words of Jonathan Blow and his view on World of Warcraft ring a chord in your heart?

  • Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe
    

    Originally posted by Reianor
    

    Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe
    

    Originally posted by nomadian
    

     

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    Most of the "hardcore" that ONLY play games online don't have any friends in real life

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    Erm you do know part of the reason WoW is popular is because of it's 'recruit a friend' scheme, its clever marketing encouraging friends to play together. I really doubt many hardcore players lack friends, that is just being bigoted without a shred of evidence.

     

    I edited for emphasis since you seem to have been ignoring the qualifying clause of that statement. Be honest, Which do you enjoy more?:

    1) playing Halo split-screen with friends.

    2) playing Halo over Xbox Live.

    I'm betting that most of you are going to pick door number one. The rest of you are probably playing locked games with people that you already know in real life.

    Judging from the behavior of most players in public games, I'm drawing the conclusion that that no one in their right mind would be able stay within 50 feet of these people without submitting to the primal urge to kick the little bastards directly in the balls. Of course, this isn't just an XBox Live thing as any CS:S player or Barrens chat veteran can attest.

    So in conclusion, people that ONLY play games online are incapable of having any kind of real life social network due to being complete douche bags.

    

     

     

    Show just how much u know about gaming... There was one HUGE reason why FPS didn't make it into PSX favored genre - mp problems. Split screen is second worse implementaition type of mp I've ever seen and can remember atm (1st being "limited player options" type like in some old sega game where one player was moving a robot and the other was shooting based on that same robot's location and direction (all in overtop view)). Every single console/pc game with mp worth mentioning had some way off leting people play without dividing or loosing parts of the screen. (like hot seat or "single screen"). Well, there're probably a few exeptions, where single screen is not that important, but those definitly aren't shooters. I tryed split screens many times in many games - no self respecting gamer would use those when there's a network alternative avaliable for the same game.

    Who the fuck are you to set the standard of what constitutes a "self respecting gamer?" You're like some fratboy asshole that boldly states how only the desperate date fat chicks. Guess What? Some people dig  fat chicks and some people don't have issues with split screens. We've had TVs and computer monitors larger than 32" for a long time now and at 720p I don't think anyone is squinting at the screen to see what's going on.

    YOU have an issue with split screen games, not everyone. To be completely honest, I don't think anyone would have remembered Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Twisted Metal, Wipeout or Mario Kart if they had been online only. Yeah, I know that the interweb was a new-fangled thingamabob back then, but hypothetically speaking...

     

    Ever had a decent mmorpg clan? I guess not... Nor did u get in a decent party... Yes, there are assholes playing mmos, there're assholes "showing off" their "assholeness" by throwing "lol! nOOb!" at unsuspecting victims, there're even assholes accusing online players of being assholes right here in this topic :P , but there are normal players as well, and the fact that they don't prove their existence on world chats over and over like assholes do, doesn't mean they don't exist. And the fact that u're offending gamers just cause they play over net, only shows that u're not far from those assholes.

    ooooooo! the redundant rebuttal that doesn't actually cancel out the original statement! I actually just write this off as you taking a personal affront to my comments which says more about you than me.

    The ones who's behavoir u disapprove, behave so out of frustration caused by real life. And here u are acting as an asshole out of frustration caused by them. And u're at least as guilty of their behavior as those who u're accusing along with them are guilty of yours. So how come u think u're any better?

    Are games an escape from real life or an extension of real life? That's an important question and the primary separation point from "hardcore" gamers and the rest of humanity. I'm not frustrated anymore. I abandoned online gaming and have been quite a bit happier ever since.

    Also u have a funny definition there about only plaing games online... just how far that "only" stretches? That's an easy way to offend people and then "innocently" state "I only meant people who play online 24 hours a day, and didn't mean those who do [whatever was mentionted in response]."

    I mean people that won't play a game unless it is played online. People who won't play single-player, local  co-op, local MP and won't touch a game that doesn't offer online play and / or ignore any offline features of a game. Does that clarify?

     

    I just want you to know... I didn't intend to respond to this...

    I was just going to walk away and get back to my life...

    I'm not strong enough to resist the urge to flame.... I'm sorry...

     

     

     

    That depends on how one persives the term gamer. Basicly I persive "gamer" as someone who boot's up his [insert gaming device here] not to hang out, but to enjoy the game and do his best against it's chalenges. Now, split screen doesn't help even a bit with this. If u use split screen when u have opportunity to use any form of network (unless u're paying chess by mail with a delay... then again chess don't need split screen...) u're using it to hang out (unless u prefer playing with one half of the screen avaliable to full screen). On the other hand when something similar is happening right next to your half of the screen it's distracting. Imagine watching a movie on one part of the screen while having another movie on the other - even if u have no interest in one of them, watching the other wont be that pleasant. It doesn' matter how big is your whole screen unless your part of the screen covers your etire view range including it's "bordering" part. I guess u don't have a screen that big. So u're basicly sacrificing comfort and efficiency of playing for having your friend next to u. And u call yourself a gamer? The fact that one's visiting gym doesn't make one bodybuilder, the fact that one's singing in bathroom doesn't make one a singer. And i'm not even talking about professionals here. Being someone classified by action requires sertain level of devotion. There's a word for those who play but don't take gaming seriously - casual. And while it's being extened to "casual gamer", those words don't mach. Kinda like "old youngster"... And no, I'm not mixing "hardcore gamer" with just "gamer", those are even thurther...

    Actual gamers remember Twisted Metal's mp not as an opportunity to hang out but as an opportunity to play with another human, and that (playing with another human) just as well can be done over net. I'm not stating noone prefers split screen, I'm stating that those who do, aren't gamers. Game club? maybe if talking is needed more then TS server can provide... (and even then home + net give more comfort then live talk) Split screen? Naaah...

    In other words if we translate that to your comparison to to fat women, and there was a term for people who are into slim ones - I'm not calling those who aren't desperate or stating they have no self respect, they just don't fit into that term. More then that, if they're stating that preffering slim women is some kind of abnormality they just don't know much about it. Does it still look to u like I'm the one offending u?

    I don't get it - u're saying that most online gamers should get a kick in...[see your own statement]... And u expect gamers to sit by and listen? Maybe I didn't make myself clear? It's not most, it's some. You know, I tend to encounter many assholes irl. How would u feel if I state - most people leading active social life are assholes blah-blah-blah... What would that say about me? That I judge many people by actions of few, and dare to take offence to those I don't even know. That's exactly how u look with your statement. But I don't run around rl entertainment establishments telling people who vist them, that most of them are assholes. And here you are, on mmo related site's forums calling most of its visitors bastards. So, "who the fuck are u" (your own phrase) to offend people u don't know?

    So, great!, u are no longer frustrated, and more than that - u abandoned online gaming. May I ask what urge led you to coming to an mmo related site to offend online gamers? That frustration I mentioned, while being a sorry excuse, was still "some kind of" excuse. And, according to you, you don't have even that.

    From my exp. people who offend others in online games mostly have no offline life (not in reverse though), so I think for them it's games as escapism + offence out of frustration (sorriest excuse, but most common reason nevertheless). There're still people who play games and lead a social life. Person's position on casual-hardcore "scale" imho is determined not by how much time is being spent playing, but rather how games are played, what matters for person playing, and what games he/she preffers. There're players for whom games are like competitive sport, there're those for whom it's "skill perfection+procces enjoyment" sport, others treat them like some kind of lite entertainment (this just screams "casual"), for others it's just a time sink (from my exp. those are mostly cheaters, who have nothing else to do at the time they're "playing"), for some it's extention of real life, some went as deep as to sink there, and there's probably something I missed here. There's also a question of what games, how much skill they need and how much skill a person has... umm... let's make it shorter - it's not just a question of escapism with a bit of adjustment, more than that, escapisms has probably the least to do with it. So if player calls himself "hardcore" just for spending all his time playing, and has no other reason, then he's probably just an escapist seeking to pat his wounded sence of self respect.

    So, as far as i know, game escapists are people unhappy with rl, seeking shelter in virtual worlds. While they aren't "100% hardcore" they mostly aren't casual either (who can forget rl playing puzzle/barbie adventure/some other casual game?). Currently game industry, they rely so much on, is leaning towards massive "casual entertainment" production, affecting even mmos. Casuals, being used to being successfull irl, want the same success in virtual, while spending a minor portion of their time and even less effort, and keep complaining about "bad kids" offending them. And devs tend to do their bidding ("rest" systems anyone? disballanced cash shops?). So if people came to your "last resort" and try to turn it into "tourists resort" while complaining that "locals aren't friendly", how would u feel?

    Let me translate that into rl. Imagine your director "hireing" someone and telling u "this is Pete, he barely had any exp. in our busyness and he's gonna work 8 times less then u, but since he gave me that nice +15 dragonslayer I'm gonna pay him more than I pay u, he'll be your boss, and if we need to turn loose some workers it's not gonna be him either", next you come to your favored cafe and find out it'll soon be turned into a game club, and when u come home you find out that your wife took kids and left, leaving a note - "sorry, you're fun and all, but i love Jack, he's lazy as hell, has the worst job imaginable, and is complete log in bed, but he's so a good at playing Wii...". While all that is as likely to happen as it is possible for a human to survive a direct hit by a tactical nuke, something like that is happening to escapists - all they hold dear in their life is being taken form them in favor of others (who perform horribly in it) because of their achievements in something escapists can't compete in. So u still expect them all to be friendly?

    And about clarified description - ever seen such a gamer? Sounds more like net thing to me, than like gaming... Also the more time spend playing the more people tend to look for oponents of their level of skill, and online games are best option for that. There still SP (or rather VS PC) games enjoyable after that much playing, but people tend to become more picky in that.

    There're also people trying to hide behind the net, who are just too shy and ugly (or think themselve to be) to show themselve in person. So how come those can't be the "mithical oline-only gamers"?

    "I just want you to know... I didn't intend to respond to this...

    I was just going to walk away and get back to my life...

    I'm not strong enough to resist the urge to flame.... I'm sorry..."

    Yeah, yeah... u're all white and fluffy... And u "accidently" came to mmorpg.com forums after "abandoning" online gaming and started accusing "most players in public games" of being bastards, who noone can stand... blah-blah-blah... and then a "bad gamer" "made u flame"... Well, duh! If we all here agreed with your accusations, there would have been nothing to flame...

  • Posted: 9/04/08 12:12 AM
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• • Tell me my children, do the words of Jonathan Blow and his view on World of Warcraft ring a chord in your heart?

  • Originally posted by KingCarebear
    

    Originally posted by Reianor
    

     Btw, how many of of u, people, asked yourself a question - Wth is Braid

    Braid is logic/platformer with probably the only thing new to genre - Implementation of Blow's own view of time  . There're decent music and visuals but those are not from the art of gamecraft. THAT'S IT!

    IF that man ever creates an mmo with many interesting but ballanced classes, without artificaly prolonged gameplay , but still long enough to have a reason to study that game  , form clan, call friends, make new friends & stuff, then I'll say "WOW!  That puppy had finaly grown enouth to be barking at an elephant!", but that's just as possible as Care-for-bear, the Lord of nonsense and summoner of stoping irritating the hell out of me, while still posting in the same  manner he does .

    And for now, there only two possible reasons for Blow's words:

    1. Wind blows inside Blow's head...

    2. Blow's trying to make a name and market his Braid.

    And while it works quite well, I'll never respect a human who's gaining attention this way.

    Now a bit on what he's saying - If it were for just "carrot on a stick", it would be possible to make an mmorpg with let's say 3 classes, 99 levels, automatic stat rising and skill gaining, and one set of equipment per tier (in other words enough attributes to be called and rpg),no trace of decent gameplay at all, no plot elements whatsoever and nice sound & visuals (which Blow uses as well), and gain money with it.

    On side note i've seen 1-2 men made non-comercials better that that (single ofcause,1-2 men can't run a server), so not much work is needed. Question - Why there're no such mmorpgs? Is it hard to spend a day or two coding this junk? No! It's damn easy, but noone would play that. Why? The answer is ... [drumbeat] ... Gameplay! ... Duh...

    The reason there no breathtaking innovative mmos is commerce. It's easy for a tallented  Artist to draw with soul, it's easy for a tallented author write a novel , it's not hard for an asshole-for-mouth-and-guess-what-for-head to implement his view of time into a puzzle either.

    Now go ahead and try to code an AI capable for implementing and changing strategy for combat system not yet studied, or a world that lives it's own life, or an item system able to support vast crafting/inventing... a list can go on and on, just ask gamers what they want from mmo and u'll get a "to do" list worthy of god's attention, and impossible for others . Even an average mmo of our time takes lots of money to be made, and making a brakethrough will take even more, and in the end u'll find out that some gamers don't like your setting, others don't like your pvp, third group want differnt trading sistem, fourth don't like your visuals, fifth don't like your subcription type... so you've ruined your company by making a high budget game that not every gamer liked.

    So devs gave up and are making "pop", cause that's what sells . Only few are relatively succesfull with their brave experiments = . And Blow is not one of them=.

    Oh, I almost forgot this topic here is for , so let's not get to much... Umm... So... somebody blow up that Blow guy already! - here, is that what u expected when u started this topic?

    P.S. Don't call me your child, u'll ignite a fuse leading to something u don't normaly want to blow up...I can be quite a when , and the only thing holding me back in such case is that i don't want a .

     

    Reianor my boy, I love you. I love your pretty pictures. And I love you darling colors. What you wrote was extremely entertaining. I loved it. I really did. I always will. I am sorry I am annoying you my boy, but I just can't help it, I just can' t help being myself, I just can't help being the King.

    Maybe someday you will learn to love me the same way I love Braid. Right now you love WoW and I completely understand your love for the game. As you stated so eloquently and colorfully, the game does what it is suppose to do, it entertains you(and others) and that is all that matters. It doesn't matter if it is devoid of art or emotion. It doesn't matter if all it offers is a carrot on a stick. The game is making you happy and there is nothing Mr. Blow or anyone else can do about it....YET. 

    I'm sure in time you and others will change your tune. But in the meantime, I believe I am content with letting you all sing your tune of tunes. You all deserve to be happy. You deserve to be glad. And I would never in my life want to make you mad. 

    You really showed me something today Mr. Reianor. You really made your papa proud. Keep dancing my boy, keep dancing and singing your song!!!

    KingCarebear

    Lord of the Worlds

     

    Relaxing... taking a deep breath... breathing out a stream of fire in Carebear's direction...

    I wasn't kidding about a fuse...

    But I'll try to stay calm... for now...

    And yes I know u can't help annoying people :P

    The day I "learn to love" "care from bear" is the day I'll march to the closest madhose on my own, and I realy hope that day would never come... There's a phrase in Russia "Bear service" which means "help" no one asked for, that eventualy lead to horrible consequence. That's just the kind of "care" u're providing. :P

    Well, "gramps", I dunno how u can "understand my love for WoW" when I'm not even playing it... (nor any other mmo atm), nor do I understand why u adore that blow guy and his ingenious brain ... erm... I mean braid of cause... (omg! how could I mix those two thing... they have so little in common... wait, do they have anything in common???... oh, yes... spelling...) But there's one thing u're right about - happyness is when one thinks he's happy. And no blow in the head is gonna change that truth. So, if u love playing a game which takes 1 man who can code + 1 man who can compose + 1 man who can draw(and those don't nessesary have to be tallented people) + 1 man who has a messed up view of time and enough guts to spout foul speech on a topic he has no clue about to make and sell, then so be it, but don't expect other people to abandon what u persive as a "quest for a carrot on a stick" for something that's not even worth a @#$% on a stick, where stick is only used for delivery.

    On side note - I don't sing - imho 98+% of time singing only spoils music it goes with (if the music is decent it in the first place), and I'm definitely not from those other 2-%. Nor do I dance, I don't even consider that being an art - Hard? maybe sometimes... Beautiful? Pleasant? Entertaining? Never! Well I'm not saying everyone should drop it, that's just my opinion... But what would a bear know about dancing or singing anyway...

    Oh and my father doesn't even know how to launch an internet browser... Not to mention the fact that he can't initiate internet connection or even start up PC. Add here the fact that he doesn't even have a PC to begin with... So he definitely wasn't browsing mmorpg.com forums... Nor did I see him in person since my last post. So how come I made him proud all of a sudden?

    And the last question for this post - What exactly did I show u?

  • Posted: 9/03/08 7:13 PM
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• • Tell me my children, do the words of Jonathan Blow and his view on World of Warcraft ring a chord in your heart?

  •  Btw, how many of of u, people, asked yourself a question - Wth is Braid

    Braid is logic/platformer with probably the only thing new to genre - Implementation of Blow's own view of time  . There're decent music and visuals but those are not from the art of gamecraft. THAT'S IT!

    IF that man ever creates an mmo with many interesting but ballanced classes, without artificaly prolonged gameplay , but still long enough to have a reason to study that game  , form clan, call friends, make new friends & stuff, then I'll say "WOW!  That puppy had finaly grown enouth to be barking at an elephant!", but that's just as possible as Care-for-bear, the Lord of nonsense and summoner of stoping irritating the hell out of me, while still posting in the same  manner he does .

    And for now, there only two possible reasons for Blow's words:

    1. Wind blows inside Blow's head...

    2. Blow's trying to make a name and market his Braid.

    And while it works quite well, I'll never respect a human who's gaining attention this way.

    Now a bit on what he's saying - If it were for just "carrot on a stick", it would be possible to make an mmorpg with let's say 3 classes, 99 levels, automatic stat rising and skill gaining, and one set of equipment per tier (in other words enough attributes to be called and rpg),no trace of decent gameplay at all, no plot elements whatsoever and nice sound & visuals (which Blow uses as well), and gain money with it.

    On side note i've seen 1-2 men made non-comercials better that that (single ofcause,1-2 men can't run a server), so not much work is needed. Question - Why there're no such mmorpgs? Is it hard to spend a day or two coding this junk? No! It's damn easy, but noone would play that. Why? The answer is ... [drumbeat] ... Gameplay! ... Duh...

    The reason there no breathtaking innovative mmos is commerce. It's easy for a tallented  Artist to draw with soul, it's easy for a tallented author write a novel , it's not hard for an asshole-for-mouth-and-guess-what-for-head to implement his view of time into a puzzle either.

    Now go ahead and try to code an AI capable for implementing and changing strategy for combat system not yet studied, or a world that lives it's own life, or an item system able to support vast crafting/inventing... a list can go on and on, just ask gamers what they want from mmo and u'll get a "to do" list worthy of god's attention, and impossible for others . Even an average mmo of our time takes lots of money to be made, and making a brakethrough will take even more, and in the end u'll find out that some gamers don't like your setting, others don't like your pvp, third group want differnt trading sistem, fourth don't like your visuals, fifth don't like your subcription type... so you've ruined your company by making a high budget game that not every gamer liked.

    So devs gave up and are making "pop", cause that's what sells . Only few are relatively succesfull with their brave experiments = . And Blow is not one of them=.

    Oh, I almost forgot this topic here is for , so let's not get to much... Umm... So... somebody blow up that Blow guy already! - here, is that what u expected when u started this topic?

    P.S. Don't call me your child, u'll ignite a fuse leading to something u don't normaly want to blow up...I can be quite a when , and the only thing holding me back in such case is that i don't want a .

  • Posted: 9/03/08 4:31 PM
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