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• • Watching Raid Videos ... VG raids are primitive...

  • Originally posted by Orphes
    

    Originally posted by _Jord_  

     

    Let me give you an example of a WoW encounter (for those claiming it's boring or simplistic):

    This is an example that non-hardcores can appreciate because it is at the end of a 5-man heroic dungeon.

    Kael'Thas Sunstrider:

    ...[cut]...
    

    That is just a simple 5 man dungeon. It takes skill, knowing your class, coordination

     

    I'm sorry for the sarcasm, I haven't played WoW in over a year so I could be wrong. But is this the same WoW as I played that you are talking about? Is not Kael'Thas Sunstrider a boss in a 25man raid?
    

    
    He's talking about the 2nd time you kill Keal'thas (5 man dungeon this time). It was patched in with the Sunwell. (Finally a new 5 man since TBC launched)
    
    I quit WoW just before it was in, but it's suppose to be geared for people who raid. I have no idea why he's calling it simple.
    
    VG so far is more complex than WoW in my opinion. Have 4 lv.20~ classes, and the amount of abilities you get (at the lower levels so far) is a bit daunting at first.
  • Posted: 4/21/08 5:31 PM
    Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
• • WOW, this game is awesome.

  • Originally posted by Torak
    

     

     

    Originally posted by Nul1
    
    

     Boy is reasoning with fanboys such a job.

    I don't mean to hate on the game, but when people say something like "better than any other game" I find I just have to discount such a claim.

     

    "is much better than anything I've played MMO wise"

     

     

     

    You misquoted the OP.  He didn't come here claiming it was "better then any other game" period, he simply stated it was better then anything else he played as far as MMO's go and left it at that.

    He did not try to inflict his opinion on any of us as fact unlike yourself. Better luck next time.

     

     

    
    Notice I said. "something LIKE 'better than any other game'". Not that big of a deal for me. I saw that right after I posted and deemed it okay. When you talk of games you usally only compare it to games of that genre.
    
    The minute he hit the new post button and tried to spread false information, he tried "inflicting" his opinion.
    
    You're just grasping for anything to say.
  • Posted: 4/12/08 5:05 PM
    Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
• • WOW, this game is awesome.

  • Originally posted by MChavez
    

    Originally posted by Nul1
    

    Originally posted by varrius
    

    Everything about this game is much better than anything I've played MMO wise.  It's really a shame it had all of those launch issues.  However, something is bothering me about it.  If I do all the work to get to level 50, are they going to close it down? 

    
    I doubt EVERYTHING about this game is much better than anything else.
    
    1)It's low on endgame content.

    No, there is plenty of high level content, just not enough raid content.

    What many consider "endgame" content. WoW (and more) have A LOT MORE TO OFFER. Crafting, diplomacy, exploring (running around haha), are not endgame content. They can all be done before you get to max level.

    
    2)Diplomacy is pretty useless. It's not really incorporated into the world.

    Diplomacy is a great route to take for lore-addicts. However, it is an aspect of the game that seriously needs to be reworked. This is something that will be done in the future.

    Thanks for telling me something I already knew. The lore was only good for the first 10 levels, and i had a fun time while it was good. Many people also complain that you HAVE to buy diplomacy gear to advance further (need diplomatic reputation or something), I didn't get to reach that point was getting too grindy for me.

    
    3)Some think crafting is useless since, named item drops have had their item level increased by 10!

    How is crafting useless when people still need other types of equipment like parts for ships and houses?

    I don't craft, and particuarly don't care about it (that's why I said "some think" meaning.... the crafters?). But maybe by "item levels" i meant crafting gear and weapons.

    4)Hitching

    Of course, it is so easy to lay this criticism against VG. Got no response to that. But, its like taking a cheap shot at a blind person.

    Just another straw on the camel's back.

    5)Character models are shit.

    Highly disagree.

    Good for you. Orcs are acceptable though.

    6)On screen character performance is shit.

    Again, highly disagree. Character performance is fine on my 2 YEAR OLD computer.

    I get 45~ FPS in outdoor settings. It was not abnormal for it to drop to 10~fps in group settings WITH shadows turned off.

    7)Some animations are horrible.

    I think the Dark Elves running animation is a bit stiff, but I just don't agree with people who claim that animations in VG are horrible. I completely disagree with you. This is a criticism that is not factual about the game, it is merely your own personal view.

    It's the little things that make the game feel alive. I'm not particularly one to worry about these things, I just want to play a fun game.

    8)Plenty enough bugs and broken quests.

    I have returned to VG after taking one year off. So far, much of the bugs I remember are no longer present. Broken quests? Didn't come across one when I played a year ago and haven't come across one now. Again, another non-factual point about the game, just your personal view. I also guess there's no complimenting a development team that has been hard at work removing problems from the game. I guess there's no such thing as giving credit where credit is due.

    There was this one heavy chest armor my Orc Warrior had. It made him look like he had BREASTS! Needless to say, I trashed it. But, it's smoother than most people would have you believe. That doesn't change the facts that they exist. Some people may encounter more of them than others, it's dependent upon a lot of factors. I DO compliment the dev team. I don't keep giving it more chances because I'm a masochist.

    9)Default UI is clunky and ugly.
    

    Another personal opinion. Don't like the UI? Go into layout mode and change it? Still don't like it? Go and download a user developed UI. Practically every MMO has this same complaint. It goes both ways: either you like it or you don't.

    UI is pretty bad. Maps are horrible. 1 map per continent, and it doesn't get more detailed. Zoomed in it's a blocky mess. I downloaded my own custom UI that was much better. But for the UI, text doesn't scale right, making it nearly unreadable, as well as the game doesn't save the UI scale settings. You HAVE to rescale it everytime you log in.

    10)Font is horrible.

    Running out of things to complain about?

    Valid complaint, even others are offended by the ameteurish font. Some won't even resub because of it.

    11)Helmets are mostly ugly.

    Another personal viewpoint.

    See official forums. Most people don't like most helms.

    2)Normal mapping can sometimes make the world look unreal and ugly.

    Yes, this is where most people complain about the so-called poor graphics of Vanguard. They are only poor if you don't have a decent machine to run them on. However, I'm on a two year old machine, running 1680x1050 on high performance, balanced rendering and normal mapping up to 100%. The world looks quite LOVELY to me.

    Uh... I ran this game pretty much just below max settings thank you. The world doesn't change THAT much from where I was

    13)Normal mapping is needed to keep mountains from looking like shit.

    Another personal viewpoint. They look beautiful to me with or without normal mapping.

    Mountains aren't mountains, but more like big hills, where at the base it curves up from the ground. The texture is nothing but plain brown for the mountains I speak of. I kid you not.

    14)Clothing and textures are underwhelming.

    ANOTHER personal viewpoint. I mean, don't you have any factual criticisms against the game? I think clothing looks very realistic...especially cloth. You can actually see the weaving  of the textiles in tents and robes and cloaks.  The  ground textures are the most realistic I've ever seen.  Rocks look like rocks, dirt and sand looks like dirt and sand. This is  such a broad topic since there are thousands of textures in the game. It is sad to know that you have personally observed every single one of them and have still come to your conclusion. Ah well....

    Rocks either come off as decent but silvery (no normal mapping) to wet/shiny silvery(normal mapping). A lot of armors are just a different color set. The pants on my hunter were pretty much just plain purple, but at least it had the stats right?

    
    
    FYI: I've been joining the game on and off since May07. I just recently canceled my account, and waiting for GU6 at least this time.

     

     Boy is reasoning with fanboys such a job.

    I don't mean to hate on the game, but when people say something like "better than any other game" I find I just have to discount such a claim.

  • Posted: 4/11/08 9:02 PM
    Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
• • WOW, this game is awesome.

  • Originally posted by Nul1
    

    Originally posted by varrius
    

    Everything about this game is much better than anything I've played MMO wise.  It's really a shame it had all of those launch issues.  However, something is bothering me about it.  If I do all the work to get to level 50, are they going to close it down? 

    
    I doubt EVERYTHING about this game is much better than anything else.
    
    1)It's low on endgame content.
    2)Diplomacy is pretty useless. It's not really incorporated into the world.
    3)Some think crafting is useless since, named item drops have had their item level increased by 10!
    4)Hitching
    5)Character models are shit.
    6)On screen character performance is shit.
    7)Some animations are horrible.
    8)Plenty enough bugs and broken quests.
    9)Default UI is clunky and ugly.
    10)Font is horrible.
    11)Helmets are mostly ugly.
    12)Normal mapping can sometimes make the world look unreal and ugly.
    13)Normal mapping is needed to keep mountains from looking like shit.
    14)Clothing and textures are underwhelming.
    
    FYI: I've been joining the game on and off since May07. I just recently canceled my account, and waiting for GU6 at least this time.

    
    Once again, we have multiple people not understanding why I wrote what I did. Usually I find myself playing devil's advocate, just to get people to discount them.
    
    Most of these are in COMPARISON to other games, BECAUSE the OP was also comparing to other games. All of these ring true for me, obviously. I'm not here to knock the game, but I just think it needed to be said.
    
    oh and here's another one.
    15)Horses are laughable. I'd rather run on foot, than look at the travesty that are horses.
  • Posted: 4/10/08 4:48 PM
    Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
• • My biggest gripe with Vanguard. The graphics.

  • 2. Hitching is performance issue numero uno; remove it and I'd say Brad's prophecy of Vanguard being "fixed" by people upgrading their PC is realized.

    
    I think GU5 is focusing a lot on the hitching. Read it a couple of places.
  • Posted: 4/10/08 12:20 AM
    Vanguard: Saga of Heroes