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  • Originally posted by ArcAngel3
    

    Originally posted by Costanza420
    

    Whatever, Fisher. Not particularly interested in anything you have to say at this point, since you've proven all you can do is talk in circles until the other person gives up.

    You never answered the question regarding who was "losing it" over the KOTOR news. That was how many days ago?

    Heya Costanza.  I think you asked me about this as well.  I've just reviewed one of the many threads with the KOTOR MMO announcement. 
     

    What caught my attention, among other things, happened to be the number of posts that say things like:

    This game is gonna tank cuz it's not going to be a sandbox,

    This game is gonna tank because StarWars fans are impossible to please,

    StarWars fans who celebrate this as a possible end to the NGE era are small-minded idiots that have no life etc. etc.

    Feel free to review the threads for yourself if you like, there are quite a number.  I'm sure you'll see all of these negative responses to the announcement.  To me, they seemed numerous, and some are quite intense.

    People appear disturbed by the announcement and determined to cast the game in a bad light, as well as anyone who thinks it might be enjoyable.

    There is also a fresh influx of posts that go along with this saying that SOE was not to blame for the disaster that was and is SWG.  

    The messages we're being barraged with lately seem to be saying things like, KOTOR online is going to suck, if you think it's going to be good then you suck, if you think SOE screwed up SWG then you suck, and it's actually your fault that SOE screwed up SWG. 

    Based on all of these observations, I concluded that some people are disturbed by the KOTOR news, they also come across as very defensive of SOE, and hostile to players.

    If you don't see these posts in the numerous threads related to the KOTOR MMO, I don't really know what to say to that.  Maybe you don't want to see them for some reason (shrugs).  I guess if you don't want to see them, you won't.

    I'll copy paste just a few of the responses to vets celebrating the KOTOR MMO, so you can get an idea of what I'm talking about:

    Here's example number 1 :

    "I dont even know why they try, Star Wars fans are some of the most finnicky people on Earth. Making a star wars game that appeals to that crowd is like trying to please your mother in law. No matter how hard you try, there will be bitching."

    and now for example number 2:

    "And what did you win?

    You and others have made SWG Vets and Players look like a ton of whiners who get upset over every damn little thing that happens. You haven't changed anything! Go up to the AoC boards and have a look there, kinda looks like the same thing down here... No you haven't won jack, all some of you have done is make things worse for people who do give a damn about MMO's and the MMO they play.

    Anyway I'm sure you or swgtester or one of the other upset Vets will come along, flame me, call me a Fanboi and act like your still nailed to some kinda cross."

    Actually didn't you also tell me to get off my cross because I noticed an increase in posts attempting to silence vets?  There's one new thread blaming everyone but SOE for the problems in SWG, especially the players.  Another thread (this one?) was written for the sole purpose of having vet posts locked.  In addition to OP's that attempt to silence players, you have new posters to this forum jumping in and agreeing that veteran players are idiots, are to blame for everything wrong in SWG, and should be silenced. 

    No, I've just re-read it all again, no one's making this up; you apparently just refuse to see it, and you seem to be saying the same kinds of things yourself.

    Well let me make a few things kinda clear here.

    First off I'm not "upset" about the news of a MMO of Knights of the Old Republic, or whatever it turns out to be. I am very happy over the news as I have been a big BioWare fan for years now, mostly due to the work they did on BG1. A game that believe it or not many AD&D fans hated.

    What's upsetting me is the fact that some Vets believe that BioWare needs to make this title another Pre-CU/Sandbox/Skill Based game in order for it to be good. What upsets me is I know most of those Vets when they hear the game isn't going to be anything like Pre-CU SWG will most likely pull the same BS that they have been pulling with SWG. It's not all the Vets but we both know that the more hateful ones will start running their mouths about how the game will suck.

    Two, I am a Star Wars fan first and an MMO Gamer after that. When I see posts about how people didn't care for the Star Wars background of the game, they cared more about the System it makes me ask why did they even get it in the first place! I feel that is where SOE went at fault with SWG, they had a great start when the game was first being made, infact many Star Wars fans did want to play it. Somewhere along the lines they turned away from that and started to gear the game for "MMO" fans. Tell the truth, I blame Raph as he did the same damn thing with Ultima Online back in the late 90's.

    I've played SWG in all 3 of it's systems and wanna know the truth? If it wasn't for the Star Wars name (and JTL) chances are I would have quit SWG after trying it out the first time. And I get the feeling many others feel the sameway I do. I'm sorry but as much as the Vets go on about it, SWG should have done better then 250k. That was a number UO was pulling in 2003...

    And just to add this in, I as a Star Wars fan feel insulted when ever people scream about SOE trying to make the game feel more "Star Warsy" yeah I don't like the name too, and I sure as hell didn't like how they went about the NGE. But ya know what? I'd rather the game feel like the IP it's based on, rather then feel like UO meets EQ and replaces Horses for Speeders and Bows for Guns.

    And lastly when I said "Get off your cross" that was not aimed at you. That was aimed at some of the Vets who act like SOE and the NGE are the first time they have ever been lied too and also act like it is the worst thing in the world. Believe me the NGE is not the worst thing that could have happen, and believe me also when I say the NGE isn't the worst thing in the world. I aimed that at those Vets and I think we both know what group of SWG Vets I am talking about here, who act like that and then turn around and insult anyone who doesn't feel the same way they feel.

  • Posted: 7/25/08 6:29 AM
    Star Wars Galaxies
• • 3 weeks into SWG return and having fun.

  • Originally posted by justkillswg
    

    i think it is clear

    the nge has next to no one playing it

    the nge has failed

    the only people who do play it are sad star wars fans who didn't belong in the game in the first place. sorry guys but it's an mmorpg it was made for mmorpg players not for fans of the movies.

    anyone who puts money into the nge is helping to hurt gameing. infact i will say that i do not see anyone who pays for the nge as a gamer. and i will say the same thing about warcraft players xbox 360 owners CONan players really anyone who plays a level based borefest. anyone who pays for the nge is at fault on why gaming has gone down hill.

    the nge isn't fun. you know what was fun? mixing and matching 32 professions along with jedi. know what was fun? pvp battles that had 500 on one side and 500 on the other that lasted all weekend. know what was fun? pre-cu swg. the nge is not fun and it will never be fun.

    so please fanbois and fanbot puppets go back to your $OE masters and demand that they roll the game back to the pre-cu.

    Know what swgtester, justkillswg, whatever your goddamn name will be next week I am so sick of people like you...

    I'm sick of people like you who go on and on and lord knows on some more about how everything in gaming is upsetting you and how the only way to 'save' gaming is for Sony to bring back a system that FAILED! I'm sick of seeing you come onto this board, a board about the game as it is now and talk about how much better it was in the old days. And then if one of us go's down to the Vet Forum it's "omg please go back up a forum!"

    Get the hell over yourself, your not some kinda Vet Leader who is going to get the Pre-CU to come back. Your not going to get us Console Gamers to stop Gaming (Oh I own an Xbox 360 and a PSP). All you are justkill is a upset little person who from what I've seen is upset that you don't have your Uber little templates and Alpha Class anymore.

    You are what is wrong with Gaming, not those of us who have found things in SWG to enjoy ourselfs in. Not those of us who do enjoy other games that are Level Based "borefests" as you so put it. You are what is wrong with Gaming, you show no respect to those making the games unless it is something "you" want. You show no respect to your fellow Players. No my friend you are what is fully wrong here and I am sick of you and anyone who acts the sameway you do.

  • Posted: 7/24/08 11:18 PM
    Star Wars Galaxies
• • SWG will close soon

  • Originally posted by Draccan
    

    Originally posted by bverji
    

    Originally posted by Draccan
    

    Originally posted by bverji
    

    Originally posted by Draccan
    

    Originally posted by ste2000
    

     

     

     

     

     

    This is just speculation. For all we know SOE could be revamping SWG and let it co-exist with The Old Republic. Unlikely? Yes. Impossible? No.

     

    It's possible that every airplane in the sky is going to fall at the same time too. However, the point of a dicussion is to deduce what is reasonable to believe, not present every absurd option that has less then a .000001 chance of being true.
     

     

    Well i am not so super convinced that swg will close because of the new bioware mmo.

    Neither am I super convinced that the new mmo is a real mmo as in swg.

    Furthermore I think Bioware's secrecy is to have some quiet time to develop before the masses charge in.

     

    
     

    that i can agree with. I think the likelyhood isn't any of those, but certainly not a 100% .

    But following the information we do have it's very very probable that Bioware is making a SW game, and that SWG will be closing.

    All that being said I admit that following patterens of surface information is how a lot of crazy conspiracy theories get made. However, i have been pretty successful in predicting the game development based upon the patterns of information thus far.

     

    I had this thought today that Bioware might do a glorified singleplayer game with some options to go online and join others, some pvp and even more cooperative gameplay for common goals.

    We really dont know at this point.

     

    That could be, but even that wouldn't be something with "MMO Elements"

    Something like that sounds alot like what they have planned with Too Human and Fable 2. I know in Fable 2 if you have any friends on Xbox Live playing it when you are, they will show up looking kinda like a ghost in your game. But you can invite them over to play in your game world. The word on Too Human is it should use something like that, namely letting friends join your game on the fly.

    Anyway... Wanna make any betas on Diablo 3 having some kinda system like that?

  • Posted: 7/22/08 10:43 AM
    Star Wars Galaxies
• • SWG will close soon

  • Originally posted by Draccan
    

    Originally posted by ste2000
    

    Originally posted by Dkevlar
    

    the issue of the license is not a real problem. we have had KOTOR and SWG coexisting without problems. IP the same, time frame of it, totally diferent.

     

     

    I think you don t' get the fact that offline games and MMO games are 2 different markets, therefore they can have different IP owers at the same time........
    
    Dungeons and Dragons has also lots of Licenses going on in the normal game market.
    But you won't see 2 MMO with Dungeon & Dragons in the title. trust me.
    
    The normal game market works this way.
    The IP owner sell the license to a company for a limited time or for 1 title only (o maybe 2 or 3, although is rare).
    The game gets developed it gets sold, then if the developers want to produce another game with the same IP they  need to buy another license (unless the original one allowed the production of 2 games).
    In this case the license expires when the game is produced and sold, so someone else can buy it to produce another game related to that IP.
    
    The MMO market is different.
    The games are "on going" which mean they are always in developement, and publishers get a periodic profit (monthly subscription fee), therefore if the developers who bought the licence want to keep the future profit from future subscription they need to hold a long term licence.
    Because in this case the licence is long term, anyone who wants to make another MMO need to wait that the licence from the previous license holder expires.
    And that's what is going on with SWG and KOTORO (if the rumor is true).
    
    Look....... you will never see 2 Batman movies being produced and released at the same time, because DC Comics will licence only one Hollywood studio at a time.
    Same is for the games.
    
    So, it is normal to see 1 or more titles of the same IP in a normal game market.
    It is also normal to have normal games and the MMO game of the same IP co-existing.
    But it is not possible to have 2 MMO co-existing.
    
    That's the real reason behind all this secrecy.

     

    This is just speculation. For all we know SOE could be revamping SWG and let it co-exist with The Old Republic. Unlikely? Yes. Impossible? No.

     

    It wouldn't be a bad idea for the most part.

    One of the biggest things kinda holding SWG back is the games Engine. Lets face the facts here, the Engine doesn't have a working Z-Axis. The Engine was already kinda outdated in 2003 when the game came out. SWG's Engine is very well known for having more code in it then any other MMO on the market. Not only that for a 5 year old Engine, SWG just never works right.

    Then we do have things that well I just cannot see them with the Engine they have now. Take Player Controled ISD's, can anyone besides myself really see one of those working in the game? I mean I can already see the Lag if you had more then one in a system at once. Remember Deep Space doesn't have a whole lot in it, think of what 3 Player Controled ISD's would be like in a system like Naboo! Hell the Space Zone's are not all that big as is...

    Then you have things like AT-AT's that just never looked good when moving around and what not. You have people wanting things like being able to Hoster Weapons... Really putting in a new game engine wouldn't be a bad move at all.

    As for running more then one game at a time? It can be done...

    Lets take the whole D&D thing, and the big thing you have to remember about D&D is D&D is just the core rules. In the next year or two I wouldn't put it past seeing work being done on a Dragonlance or Forgotten Realms Online. Granted both would more then like run with the D&D rules, but both are not the same in the long run.

    So chances are you will have people who would rather stick to the GCW Setting rather then go play in the Old Republic. Chances are you would have people who would jump at the chance to play in the Clone Wars rather then the Old Republic or GCW settings.

    At the sametime another thing to think of...

    If lets say SOE doesn't upgrade or overhaul the Engine... You still have a game that for the most part can run on any system at this point. Hell why do you think EQ and UO are still around? You don't need a high end system to run the games on. One of the faults AoC has been having is it's not very friendly with older systems. Hell I'm running a high end gaming system that is about 6 months old and AoC still tends to run badly on it. Having a game that anyone can run and play isn't a bad thing.

  • Posted: 7/22/08 10:34 AM
    Star Wars Galaxies
• • Jedi System - How would you have done it?

  • People will hate my idea for the system, well I had two ideas both of them no one would have liked.

    1)No Player Jedi, however a Player "Force Sensitive" Profession.

    The idea behind it is this, you have no true "Jedi" running around. Rather the Player would unlock a Profession that would allow them some very minor force powers and the use of a Lightsaber. For the most part it would just be another Melee Profession. You would still have to craft a Lightsaber (One Handed, Two Handed so on) It just wouldn't be "Alpha" for the most part.

    For the most part the Force Sensitive would be like Luke when he was just starting out. It wouldn't be anything bigger then all of that, maybe some new skills and specials could be add'ed down the road if and when the timeline was bumped up.

    People I feel would have been unhappy as many people feel Jedi = Uber. However the idea behind doing it this way is to keep some form of game balance in. Lightsaber Damage wouldn't have gone in, rather Damage would have been based off the type of Color Crystal in the Saber.

    2)Jedi is rewarded and unlocked, by a GM and for Players who have helped the game out in someway.

    Now this idea many people would have hated, however I feel this could have worked out somewhat better not just for SWG but MMO's as a whole.

    See one of the faults MMO's tend to have is they tend to reward people doing things that well... Don't help the game out imho. Back in my UO days I remember one of the Galhads (Two Players well known for being looters and pk's) talked about how he found that he was much more rewarded by being a jerk and being 'evil'. One of his coments was also about how most MMO's never have any real way to reward "good" gameplay and never really anything too harsh for those that do act up.

    This idea would come down to having the Dev's and others pick out Players well known for doing things on the server they play on. Putting on really good events, helping newbies out, doing Role Played Storylines and what not. If the Dev's or those running the system in this way feel a Player has shown good gameplay, they reward him for it. And Jedi is a good reward... One good thing that could come out of a System like this is you would show that if you are going to be nice, helpful and not run around like an ass whenever you get in game you can get rewarded for it.

    The fault with this system is well it would have never worked. You would have gotten tons of people posting about how "they" should be unlocked. Or how Player A shouldn't have Jedi unlocked cuz all he did was make some stupid story about how him and his friends killed a Krayt.

    The idea kinda falls under something they did in UO, Blessing Player Run Inn's and what not (Blessing was a GM came and add'ed things that Players are unable to make or get in game also those items cannot be picked up, deleted so on.) It ended mostly due to people screaming about how unfair it was.

    Really over all whatever SOE did with Jedi in SWG wouldn't have worked, and hasn't worked. I feel whatever system they put in would have just ended up in some kinda mess and with Players throwing fits about it. Be it about how it doesn't belong in the game due to canon, how the whole Jedi vs BH system needs to go, so on and so forth.

    SWG just showed that an Alpha Class just does not work. And is not heathy for the games long term.

  • Posted: 7/22/08 10:06 AM
    Star Wars Galaxies