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• • Dark and Light game developer NPCube dismissed and convicted by French Court

  • Originally posted by Cholayna
    

    Originally posted by solareus
    

    Pix was the founder of the company, how is he not resposnable for the first intail rip off to the fans, to me, without seeing any contracts, pix took the first wave of money and ran with it ...pure speculation but that is the picture I'm getting as of late.

    
     

    my gawd, can you not understand the chronological order of things? _Pix_ wasnt around when the "first initial rip off to the fans" took place. He left the company loonnnggg before that. _Pix_ didnt take anything, including personal attacks by you.

    You keep trying to twist things up to fit your "picture" , ignoring all the facts and dates and anything else that didnt fit with your vision.

    I suggest you go back through some of these threads, even this one, or perhaps take a little walk on over to _pix_'s website and read again the chronological order of things. C. Jacquet was the man responsible for the rip-offs, was the man who took the first wave of money and ran with it and lied and misled and was the man responsible for the game itself.

    Once again, _Pix_ wasnt even around when Farland (C. Jacquet) began the sleaziest rip-off in mmo history.

    Well...Solareus is quite far from the truth, you know, although I don't doubt he's got quite the right extended imagination capabilities ... Let's see what speculation he could have produced as well:
     

    First came the idea to launch a big vaporware since 2001. It was funded USD40 millions and was cancelled 7 years later.

     In this half hour Catalyst special, we follow a design team called Micro Forte¢, as they create the vast virtual game world of Citizen Zero. They’ve got US$40 million invested in the project, and with lush landscapes, underground caverns, and big cities populated by hundreds of thousands of fantasy characters, it will be the biggest and most sophisticated multi-player game ever.

     

    http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s861568.htm

    Then came the idea in 2005 to launch the largest MMORPG we will never see and overchage players on their credit cards. Since the company was off-shore, everything was cool so far.

    DnL would not be possible without the server innovations available from Australian firms, BigWorld and its parent MicroForte. Acquiring the BigWorld license allowed DnL to have a seamless world with no load times.

    http://www.edge-online.com/features/dark-and-light

    Since everything was working fine (no games but big money) then came the idea in 2007 of producing a killer application. (you know, a game where you get real-life real-money in real-time to virtually kill people)

    "Kwari is creating a new arena of online gaming that is set to change the way we play games," said John De Margheriti, BigWorld CEO. "We are pleased to provide a technology platform that will allow their innovative game ideas to come to life, and we 're confident of the huge appeal that their online products are sure to bring to the market."

    http://www.gamasutra.com/austingdc2007/index.php?id=15352

    Unfortunately, this third wonderful idea was not so good (you know, killing players...not so easy and not so appealing), despite the fact the company was also off-shore (you know, patterns): the killer app was killed 3 months after its launch.

    Soooo, now,  since the big money has been made, using other companies' technologies and developing vaporware with them, it's cool enough.

    Just don't forget a key magic factor so that the big simple plan runs smoothly: it just won't work if you forget to include massive help from numerous fanboys-supporters-trollers specialists who faithfully and relentlessly preach for your church night and day in every possible location around the World.

    And for freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! 

    (pun intended)

  • Posted: 11/27/08 3:22 AM
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• • This is why DnL developer Np3Cube was convicted in French court in March 08.

  • @Solareus:

    agh50 made another mistake: we never made any "Enigma" product. Never mind, you will certainly find the correct name by yourself.

    Oh, and you are right, VWORLD associates are not very visible on the Internet. You know, you have 2 types of people: people who show off but don't produce anything or fail if they try. And people who work.

    Some of NP3/Farlan associates are very easy to find on the Internet. Google Frederic Caille or Cesar Jacquet, you will find e.g. this link, dating mid 2003:  http://the-junkyard.net/interviews.php?action=viewinterview&id=39

    which is to me a very good summary of DnL:

    Cesar came to Vincent Pourieux (aka Pix to differentiate from Vincent Pelisson, aka Plis) 2 years ago and presented a project that was to become Dark and Light. Pix started to talk to Cesar closer after Cesar saw the terrain rendering technology Pix was developing.

    Then, Stephane Quilichini, Gilles Zedde and Frederic Caille designed (mostly in their heads) with Cesar what Dark and Light should be. And, as far as I know, they brainstormed a lot. They were all Everquest players and fans and also traditional RPG players and Game Masters with limited computer gaming development knowledge. So Pix asked a bunch of guys to work on the project (the 4 seniors), and after a lot of talking everyone decided to move to Reunion Island to develop the game.

    If you insist a bit, you will even be able to see their more recent photos:

    http://fr-fr.facebook.com/people/Cesar_Jacquet/1043333392

    http://www.pilotlist.org/trombino/fiche.php?id=1668

    You will find also most recent family holiday photos: http://flickr.com/photos/26604956@N08/

    and hobby photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/frederic_caille/

    Enjoy.

    PS: I think this gives a clue to the OP.

     

  • Posted: 11/17/08 4:34 AM
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• • This is why DnL developer Np3Cube was convicted in French court in March 08.

  • Originally posted by solareus
    

     

    Botton line : Everyone who is praising Pix , is Praising Npcube, they are one in the same, Pix left the community down, ripped off your money and is now trying to reclaim what he already sold to Farlan.

     

    
     

    Humm. Seems to me that this really is PURE SLANDER. Any clue as to the policy of these boards with reference to slander?

    I salute the multiple (and lengthy, sometimes even quite passionate) trolling efforts, but this is beyond my imagination.  

    @agh50: Welcome back to our good old history-teacher-faithful-follower.  Sorry to see you have to make your coming back in such a tedious trolling flaming slandering mumbo jumbo session against myself and VWORLD.

    Oh BTW, we're self-funded company, and the three people you took such great care mentioning by name are its three associates, not its " employees". Since you apparently have a little problem reading thoroughly and therefore reporting faithfully I would also add that thankfully we are a development studio and not a "design studio" (I really don't know which activity would be covered by this labelling). 

    Likewise, if you insist upon refering to our official company website, you may indicate www.viewterra.com which refers to our platform, or www.viewterra.net  for some more literature on our products (you know what products mean don't you, not only over-hyped MMORPGs which seem to be employing indeed a lot of people trying to commercialize them notably through viral marketing on forums).     

      

     

       

  • Posted: 11/16/08 12:47 PM
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• • What hapened in Court PIX? anyone have an Update on DNL and court?

  • Originally posted by Raltar
    

    Well lets see...

    Pix created Vworld terrain technology.

    Vworld was used to create the Dark & Light game engine.

    NPCube was not paying for the use of Vworld.

    How exactly do you figure that NPcube doesn't owe him some money? I figure what confused the court is the fact that the game is dead and NPcube is broke. They could easily make NPcube fork over the money, but if they don't have money and don't have the capability to make money what exactly would be the point? This is why they dismissed the case, but ALSO dismissed NPcube's absurd counter suit as well. They probably just don't know what to do with it and don't want to deal with it anymore. Its not that hard to see if you think about it.

    And like I said, do you have some better explanation to offer beyond poorly spelled insults?

    
     

    That 's a logical possibility, although I tend to think there are obvious other reasons, given the composition of Farlan and NP3. 

    DnL has been down for several months now, Farlan and NPCube also seem to be out, or close to be at least for NPCube: according to the bailiffs, NPCube's headquarters don't seem to be existing anymore at their official place of business.

    But what is surprising is that apparently NPCube's CEO didn't put the company into liquidation, although he fired all of his employees 5 months ago.   

    The Paris Court dismissed the case (and in a very short time after the final speeches). The Commercial Court already convicted NPCube 7 months ago. Another point is that NPCube was convicted in other cases 2 times in less than a year (cases related to ex -NPCube employees fired without a valid reason: NPCube has been convicted for moral harassment in one of these). On top of that, other cases are to come in a few weeks, among which one brought agaisnt NP3 by another ex-employee which has been wrongly accused of theft by NP3 in 2005 and has had to be waiting for 2008 before being totally freed of the charges pressed against him since NP3 managed to bring the case before Appeal and Cassation Court ). 

    Seems to me quite a bit too much indeed for a self-proclaimed "small company, small means".  

     

    EDIT:

    "Pix said his side was appealing. I don't know about the other side."
    No, I did not saiy anything about appealing in that case.
    NPCube  appealed in the Commercial Court case, that's the only appeal running right now, to be judged on December 17th.

      

     

  • Posted: 11/14/08 3:07 AM
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• • Dark and Light game developer NPCube dismissed and convicted by French Court

  • Originally posted by Raltar
    

    Originally posted by _Pix_
    

    Anyway, glad to see you succeed in calming down a bit (the power of magical intervention). See, BS... vanishes into thin air.

    
     

    Pix... do me a favor in the future man... next time you feel the need to call on "magical intervention" please try to call on a form of magical intervention that won't give me a warning and delete a half dozen of my posts... Yes, the magical intervention did the same to Solareus, but I think we all knew the guy was a troll. There wasn't any need to nuke the entire thread to prove that.

    
     

    Hey! I'm pleading non-guilty!!!

    I never prayed for having any of your posts deleted (nor any other poster's posts, and to tell the truth, I tend to consider who-you-know posts are pretty *constructive*, and this is not at all in my best interest to see them vanish into thin air). 

    Do know however, if this may be of some kind of comfort to you, that I was able to read your posts ( along with who-you-know's) , so although I feel really sorry, at least I can tell I appreciated, and once again I DID NOT ask for any such "divine intervention"!

  • Posted: 11/13/08 4:15 PM
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