The probable sum up of the 27+ pages is Man .. why .. when they should be included for the cost of the game.

I am sorely dissapointed.

I'm really surprised people are taking this as a surprise. 

There was a time when the montly fee included everything. CCP includes also expansions.

I also recognize the monthly fee has not increased with inflation in the last decade, that is also true, but Star Trek Online is not an mmo and it doesen't require even a fraction of tecnology a  real mmo like EvE needs.

Cryptic is not gonna gain playerbase trust with this kind of greedy policy and the game will suffer.

Considering Cryptic's absolute failure at launching Champions Online and their launch day "debacle" with that game you'd think the folks running the show would have figured out how this was going to go over.  Sadly, some day we're going to be remembering when Cryptic developed MMO's because they're going to run themselves out of business if they keep *ucking this stuff up.  I really don't care about this that much but I personally think this is just a precursor to them "announcing" that respecs of your skill points will only be offered via C-Store purchase.  If they aren't planning on doing this then there is absolutely no excuse for not having respecs in the game already.  The engine for STO and a great deal of the game is just ripped off from CO and they had a functional respec system in CO at launch.  It isn't like it should be hard for them to code and implement that system now, unless oh wait they are going to get as many initial orders on the game as they can, make as much money up front as they can, and then drop this little gem after the initial free 30 days have ended. 

P.S.  Can the MMORPG staff please sticky this post so that I can reference it when I'm right?   thanks =P

lame... why would these races not be included in the full version people just paid for??. What a rip off. 49.00 US is no small fee. The game is nothing more than a "cash extraction software". Greed, not gameplay is the major design theme.

I feel bad for the people who bought Lifetime Subscriptions and are going to get nickle-and-dimed to death from the add-ons that should be free.

Then again they did have a 6 month red flag warning called Champions Online. 

This is why I will never touch a game run by Cryptic. I'm all for business wanting to turn a profit, but I refuse to pay an upfront investment, then a sub only then to have features via RMT that should be included with the box and sub cost.

I truly hope this becomes a lesson to other companies of how not to business.

There are quite a few red warning flags on this game now, i have to wonder really, when a company in the MMO industry survives by its reputation.. is cryptic feeling desperately suicidal lately ?

 since my post here got deleted and i got a warning let me elaborate a bit more on this

its an 'mmo' with a sub, it just released, these items are not cosmetic at all: this is what i consider a pure rip off and ill never buy a cryptic game.

also, how much dollars are these C-bucks?

Wowww Just wow.. I was about to report this post when I noticed Mike was the one who posted it. Was so hardcore advertisement.

Originally posted by Slineer

I'm really surprised people are taking this as a surprise. 

why are you surprised?

can you produce evidence cryptic warned players before they sold the boxes that factions were going to be sold via MT?

regardless of the pricing strategy cryptic chooses to addopt this is yet another example of how microtransactions can be abused by holding information back  from the players.

Cryptic is a Ferengi run and owned company. What did you expect?

Originally posted by Troneas

Originally posted by Slineer

I'm really surprised people are taking this as a surprise. 

 

why are you surprised?

 

can you produce evidence cryptic warned players before they sold the boxes that factions were going to be sold via MT?

 

regardless of the pricing strategy cryptic chooses to addopt this is yet another example of how microtransactions can be abused by holding information back  from the players.

Factions AREN'T being sold via MT.  These unlocks are for races in the Federation faction.  The Klingon faction comes with the game.

That's not to say that additional factions won't be offered via RMT, but this certainly isn't it.

Well... STO just went from "wait 6 months and see" to "never" in my book. And I'm not talking never unless they fix things, I'm talking for the first time in18 years of MUD/MMO playing I'm outright wishing for the complete and total failure of a game.

I'm going to guess there will be a pretty harsh backlash towards cryptic and they're going to decide to tone down their microtransactions, but you really have to wonder just how much they want to nickle and dime their players if they could get away with it.

maybe the rarity of defection by Klingon would show in lack of people willing to pay for it....that way there arent 1000 Fed Klingon running around ?.....dunno just a guess.....ive no desire to play one so i wont be buying this add-on...

Originally posted by Robsolf

Originally posted by Troneas

Originally posted by Slineer

I'm really surprised people are taking this as a surprise. 

 

why are you surprised?

 

can you produce evidence cryptic warned players before they sold the boxes that factions were going to be sold via MT?

 

regardless of the pricing strategy cryptic chooses to addopt this is yet another example of how microtransactions can be abused by holding information back  from the players.

Factions AREN'T being sold via MT.  These unlocks are for races in the Federation faction.  The Klingon faction comes with the game.

That's not to say that additional factions won't be offered via RMT, but this certainly isn't it.

i beg your pardon.

im not into star trek lore.

RACES then.

lets not undermine the point of the message, however.

fact is as i see it sto went through years of development, months of beta (opened and closed possibly), sold pre-order boxes and they choose to disclose that RACES will be available via RMT on launch day, and in my research i have found no conclusive evidence of what sort of items/ game features their shop will offer in the future.

Its no different than what companies are doing with console video games. Day 1 DLC is all the rage now. Let's not act like Cryptic is the first evil or anything. Some call it evolution, others call it a greed. Makes for good conversation.

Believe it or not, right now I'm laughin out loud thinkin to all the fools who bought STO.

Since months ago, it was clear to any mental healthy human being that Star Trek Online was just a piece of crap and a cash cow.

To all of you STO buyers, go and listen Rage Against the Machine (great) song:" THEY SAY JUMP, YOU SAY "HOW HIGH?"

Originally posted by Slineer

I'm really surprised people are taking this as a surprise. 

Indeed. Some people never learn. Some people never listen.

Originally posted by Vegaa

lame... why would these races not be included in the full version people just paid for??. What a rip off. 49.00 US is no small fee. The game is nothing more than a "cash extraction software". Greed, not gameplay is the major design theme.

BINGO.

Originally posted by bigdaddysfe

I feel bad for the people who bought Lifetime Subscriptions and are going to get nickle-and-dimed to death from the add-ons that should be free.

 

I don't. Not one tiny bit. Not after all the warnings we gave them.

I hate that Cryptic is going to make money from them, though.

Can't you just create a Klingon with the Alien Race Generator?

BTW this is cosmetic stuff. As long as they don't sell uber-gunz for PvP you can't get ingame on the C-Store I don't have a problem.

M 

I am so glad I decided to ignore this company completely back at the time they hired Bill Roper as their executive producer.

Originally posted by Robsolf

Factions AREN'T being sold via MT.  These unlocks are for races in the Federation faction.  The Klingon faction comes with the game.

Well, sort of. Not the whole faction, just the PvP part.

I wonder if Cryptic will sell the PvE Klingon content.

I can't believe there are people over there that are saying this is the way to go, and that it is better than simply selling a game for what it is and not hold back content to milk your player base.  The masses are the reason companies like Cryptic do what they do and will probably make a quick profit before raping another IP. 

Originally posted by Meridion

Can't you just create a Klingon with the Alien Race Generator?

BTW this is cosmetic stuff. As long as they don't sell uber-gunz for PvP you can't get ingame on the C-Store I don't have a problem.

M 

Actually, you can't. Cryptic's stated that certain races  have advantages you can't place on self made races, humans for example, and there's character details that are race specific. Basically, they're selling the right to have Klingon racials on a Federation allied character.

*exit stage left

well in 28 days 

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by bigdaddysfe

I feel bad for the people who bought Lifetime Subscriptions and are going to get nickle-and-dimed to death from the add-ons that should be free.

 

I don't. Not one tiny bit. Not after all the warnings we gave them.

I hate that Cryptic is going to make money from them, though.

The people that read these forums. Yes, for those I feel ZERO pitty. They had plenty of red flags and warnings.

The people who I feel sorry for, are the unaware Star Trek fans, that were lured in and seduced by false advertisement into buying a lifetime sub. Unaware fans that have no experience with MMO's and Cryptic itself.

For those I feel truly sorry. As they paid $230 dollars upfront in a belief Cryptic would deliver them a finished product that lived up to the expectations of what the Star Trek IP deserved. Only to find themselves in a deserted game when the first month is up and $300 wasted (as lifers still need to buy the retail box as well).

Cheers

Well Cryptic can only burn so many players before they become like SOE and have to make new games for entirely new generations of gamers like Free Realms and their marketing to young teens.  Cryptic can't pull this greedy crap forever.  I am sure Bill Roper will continue to slime his way around through different companies and somehow head up different projects and do the same crap.  I don't understand why these asshats keep getting jobs.

hm... I dotn understand people from US... the core of capitalism is the money movement and money making and such... everyone wants to make money... and the flow of money keeps the economy up... but for some reason people here gets mad when they see someone trying to make a bit more money... and then everyone ask each other, why the economy is so screw up?

Originally posted by Pelu

hm... I dotn understand people from US... the core of capitalism is the money movement and money making and such... everyone wants to make money... and the flow of money keeps the economy up... but for some reason people here gets mad when they see someone trying to make a bit more money... and then everyone ask each other, why the economy is so screw up?

Obviously you don't understand the situation.

Originally posted by Pelu

hm... I dotn understand people from US... the core of capitalism is the money movement and money making and such... everyone wants to make money... and the flow of money keeps the economy up... but for some reason people here gets mad when they see someone trying to make a bit more money... and then everyone ask each other, why the economy is so screw up?

Why would I play a mediocre game and pay for stuff I get for free in other MMO's?  If this game was WOWAWESOMEAMAZING then OK, I can see hooking people for stuff like that but this game is crap.  Keep in mind that a company that in its last 2 games has been money grubbing will continue to do that in the games life cycle and you will pay for many more things that most MMO's do not charge extra for...better MMO's at that.  This is just the beginning...

Originally posted by Pelu

hm... I dotn understand people from US... the core of capitalism is the money movement and money making and such... everyone wants to make money... and the flow of money keeps the economy up... but for some reason people here gets mad when they see someone trying to make a bit more money... and then everyone ask each other, why the economy is so screw up?

Money moves when a product is needed or desirable.  People will buy such product in the best form available. Something that is lacking in one way or another will not sell as well as the complete package even though it may often times be cheaper. As one poster commented, why pay for extras when the extras come as standard equipment in other games? While some may think a game is "needed" it falls into the category of "desirable" and this game with its features lacking without more payment, is not desirable to us capitalist Americans that like more bang for our buck. :)

Originally posted by TuxedoSLY

Its no different than what companies are doing with console video games. Day 1 DLC is all the rage now. Let's not act like Cryptic is the first evil or anything. Some call it evolution, others call it a greed. Makes for good conversation.

those game that offer DLC dont have a monthly fee, except STO/CO then.

Originally posted by DarkRexx

Originally posted by Meridion

Can't you just create a Klingon with the Alien Race Generator?

BTW this is cosmetic stuff. As long as they don't sell uber-gunz for PvP you can't get ingame on the C-Store I don't have a problem.

M 

 

Actually, you can't. Cryptic's stated that certain races  have advantages you can't place on self made races, humans for example, and there's character details that are race specific. Basically, they're selling the right to have Klingon racials on a Federation allied character.

Well one could argue that the racial traits don't have such a huge impact on gameplay anyways, otherwise everyone would choose race X for a tactical captain + escort while in reality there are quite a lot of nice traits to choose from.
 

No I was actually talking about looks. I can't imagine anyone would buy the races for the skillset that comes with them. You can still create an alien race that looks like a Klingon or a Ferengi, so why on earth would I spend Cryptic Points on this?

M

Edit: But I agree that this shows where this game is heading with the C-Store. But I also know that many people start a wild rage as soon as they sell _anything_ via ingame shop, just 'because' (...everything should be included by the monthly fee). So let's keep an objective eye on what they actually sell on the store. I doubt they will sell real game advantages there, not unless they make the game F2P that is.

 I have never seen so much over exaggerated hate posts about a game as STO. Seems like a major campaign to defame a game. This OP is just another in a long line of BS. 

You don't need to buy any faction. It don't take much to unlock them, so wipe the tears and pocket your hate spam.

Cryptic already stated they will not RMT anything that effects the game. What they are selling is just skins for your crew.

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by Phry

There are quite a few red warning flags on this game now, i have to wonder really, when a company in the MMO industry survives by its reputation.. is cryptic feeling desperately suicidal lately ?

 

It all started when they hired these suits (like Bill Roper) from Flagship Studios when it went down under.

These greedy suits don't give a damn they will run the company in the ground (just like they ran Flagship Studios into the ground).

By the time Cryptic is finished and out of bussiness, these suits have already enriched themselves with big fat bonusses over the backs of their own employees and the customers who blindly stepped into their traps of greed! By buying lifetime subs, longterm subs. Hence, everyone stupid enough to buy the retail box.

Cheers

Besides Bill Roper I don't know any other former flagship employees at Cryptic, and Roper only works on Champions, not STO.   Incidentally, the champs community has nicknamed him "dolla bill" or "dirty dolla."
 

But Bill was only installed to distract everyone from the true devil: John Needham, CEO of Cryptic Studios, and former VP of SOE circa 2001.   Cryptic is not just acting like Sony, it really is the same person in charge. Even his name, "Needham", sounds like what you would call the greediest guy in the medieval village.  

This STO situation is mind-boggling even for a CO fan like me, STO is easily surpassing CO as the most expensive pretend-economy MMO out there.  At launch the CO store had a few vanity pets for one dollar each, but this offering shows an exponential growth in greed.  Cryptic points are 80 / dollar.  Basically their plan is to make fanboy MMOs for small audiences and then milk that small customer base for lots of extra cash.

Originally posted by Meridion

Edit: But I agree that this shows where this game is heading with the C-Store. But I also know that many people start a wild rage as soon as they sell _anything_ via ingame shop, just 'because' (...everything should be included by the monthly fee). So let's keep an objective eye on what they actually sell on the store. I doubt they will sell real game advantages there, not unless they make the game F2P that is.

Champions Online isn't F2P (yet) and it has $12.50 respecs in the store.

Originally posted by Airwren

Considering Cryptic's absolute failure at launching Champions Online and their launch day "debacle" with that game you'd think the folks running the show would have figured out how this was going to go over.  Sadly, some day we're going to be remembering when Cryptic developed MMO's because they're going to run themselves out of business if they keep *ucking this stuff up.  I really don't care about this that much but I personally think this is just a precursor to them "announcing" that respecs of your skill points will only be offered via C-Store purchase.  If they aren't planning on doing this then there is absolutely no excuse for not having respecs in the game already.  The engine for STO and a great deal of the game is just ripped off from CO and they had a functional respec system in CO at launch.  It isn't like it should be hard for them to code and implement that system now, unless oh wait they are going to get as many initial orders on the game as they can, make as much money up front as they can, and then drop this little gem after the initial free 30 days have ended. 

 

P.S.  Can the MMORPG staff please sticky this post so that I can reference it when I'm right?   thanks =P

Assuming you play...they couldn't even keep the servers up for headstart...has to be horrible now

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Meridion

Edit: But I agree that this shows where this game is heading with the C-Store. But I also know that many people start a wild rage as soon as they sell _anything_ via ingame shop, just 'because' (...everything should be included by the monthly fee). So let's keep an objective eye on what they actually sell on the store. I doubt they will sell real game advantages there, not unless they make the game F2P that is.

Champions Online isn't F2P (yet) and it has $12.50 respecs in the store.

which are given out with major patches and (they say) will be aviable in game like That Other Super Hero MMO, one day.

Oh and you get a freetcon if you hit 40

Actually since launch the servers have been stable and i get no lag at all. Also btw they say that there going to be updating the game every couple weeks! not like Darkfall where it takes 4-6 months for a patch

This just in!

The sky is not falling in STO, move along.

Originally posted by Meridion

Originally posted by DarkRexx

Originally posted by Meridion

Can't you just create a Klingon with the Alien Race Generator?

BTW this is cosmetic stuff. As long as they don't sell uber-gunz for PvP you can't get ingame on the C-Store I don't have a problem.

M 

 

Actually, you can't. Cryptic's stated that certain races  have advantages you can't place on self made races, humans for example, and there's character details that are race specific. Basically, they're selling the right to have Klingon racials on a Federation allied character.

Well one could argue that the racial traits don't have such a huge impact on gameplay anyways...

Yes, one could argue that, but one would be wrong. Despite the size of the impact, there is an impact. These are clearly not just cosmetic items.

Rofl, I am not surpised and all the folks are going omg.  tried to warn you guys rofl.   Pay a sub and then get nickle and dimed to death like its a f2p game.  Totaly epic fail.

I think a company has a right to make money any way they choose. However what I don't get with Cryptic is why they anger people by not telling them the plans, and then springing these surprises on them invokes a natural angry reaction.

If they had just said months agao exactly what they had planned to sell via their MT store then I can't imagine anyone would have a major valid issue with it.

The problem is that Cryptic seem so afraid of advance negative press that they would rather deal with the s**t storm that results from these unannounced additions.

I think if they had just been up front about it all, none of this would be an issue.

I like the game...despite awaiting response from Gametap as to why my activation key was not included in their email today or available on their account .......I do think adding c-store races on the first day is a bit ridiculous.

Heh... Cryptic always innovates. Wish they used their creativity more on game content instead of revenue content though, especially at the SAME day of release.

It's an all time new low.

Not a big deal.  Something like $1-2.  I bet most people here spend 5X that on Starbucks/coffee every day.

Originally posted by CyanSword

I think a company has a right to make money any way they choose. However what I don't get with Cryptic is why they anger people by not telling them the plans, and then springing these surprises on them invokes a natural angry reaction.

If they had just said months agao exactly what they had planned to sell via their MT store then I can't imagine anyone would have a major valid issue with it.

The problem is that Cryptic seem so afraid of advance negative press that they would rather deal with the s**t storm that results from these unannounced additions.

I think if they had just been up front about it all, none of this would be an issue.

  Not near the people would have major issues with it because not near the people would be playing the game. Its the old bait and switch.

Originally posted by Thradar

Not a big deal.  Something like $1-2.  I bet most people here spend 5X that on Starbucks/coffee every day.

Yea but does Starbucks charge you for napkins? Or a drink of tap water? No they dont, because thats stupid!

Why in gods name would cryptic charge you for game code thats already in the game and just not activated? People please dont give this company your money, if you cant see what funding these animals is doing to the gaming world you need to wake up.

Sounds to me that people wants things for free... wth... mmos are not a charity omg... and if u think is crap, the best thing u can do is move a long, same in RL...

The only thing I am starting to notice about this mmo sites is that people only get here to ventilate their frustations... this is the new place to steam out...

by the way no baddies for teh one above but starbucks is pretty much stupid in itself, wondering why is closing stores...

Originally posted by jiveturkey12

 

Yea but does Starbucks charge you for napkins? Or a drink of tap water? No they dont, because thats stupid!

They do, it's included in the price of your coffee even if you don't use them...

Why in gods name would cryptic charge you for game code thats already in the game and just not activated? People please dont give this company your money, if you cant see what funding these animals is doing to the gaming world you need to wake up.

As much as any (insert MMO name here) has collector's edition, vet rewards or RMT features.

People don't forget it also cost to change faction in other mmos if they even have that service. This is just another way around to betray the Klingons to fight side by side with the Federation. Don't be so small brained to think it's just a rip-off. It's actually pretty smart by Cryptic and STO fans will love it aswell.

If you choose to be alliance in WoW then you can't play a tauren mates.

... doesn't it cost to change faction in WoW? Unless you have another 2 weeks of PL a new toon.

Why I mentioned WoW is because it is the best selling mmo and best service I have seen.

Just wait till you can buy Q in C-store then you would all be satisfied I guess ;)

Regards

Originally posted by VoltureX

People don't forget it also cost to change faction in other mmos if they even have that service. This is just another way around to betray the Klingons to fight side by side with the Federation. Don't be so small brained to think it's just a rip-off. It's actually pretty smart by Cryptic and STO fans will love it aswell.

Ya and server transfers... and misc, like inventory expansions... and more character slots...

Originally posted by Deewe

Originally posted by jiveturkey12

 

Yea but does Starbucks charge you for napkins? Or a drink of tap water? No they dont, because thats stupid!

They do, it's included in the price of your coffee even if you don't use them...

Why in gods name would cryptic charge you for game code thats already in the game and just not activated? People please dont give this company your money, if you cant see what funding these animals is doing to the gaming world you need to wake up.

As much as any (insert MMO name here) has collector's edition, vet rewards or RMT features.

How the hell do you manage to compare, paying extra money for already exsisting game code, to buying a collectors edition of a game?

Im in no way saying developers dont make money off collectors editions, but its not shady. You know what your getting when you spend the extra money on the collectors edition and most 95% of cases, it contains a physical object that is limited, not an in game item (They do have them, but thats not what the bulk of the money is going towards). 

Plus Vet Rewards? What are you talking about? Thats a small incentive to play the game longer, most of the time they are nothing more than a painting or a shield, not a full race or class.

Seriously am I missing something here?

Originally posted by Pelu

Sounds to me that people wants things for free... wth... mmos are not a charity omg... and if u think is crap, the best thing u can do is move a long, same in RL...

The only thing I am starting to notice about this mmo sites is that people only get here to ventilate their frustations... this is the new place to steam out...

by the way no baddies for teh one above but starbucks is pretty much stupid in itself, wondering why is closing stores...

I dont call a $50 box and $15 a month free. People, at least myself, want a complete game for the box price and sub fee. Not to be milked out of every penny they can get.

 How the hell do you manage to compare, paying extra money for already exsisting game code, to buying a collectors edition of a game?.................

Game code is like material content u can touch, and it looks like this is the attitude towards it, since developers complain about piracy, if game code is worth nothing, then thepiratebay can get a warm welcome...

Lets hope developers delete that code u cant access in later games, this can save you some hard disk space...

This is only a sign of things to come and removes all doubt in me buying this game.

Originally posted by Deewe

Originally posted by jiveturkey12

 

Yea but does Starbucks charge you for napkins? Or a drink of tap water? No they dont, because thats stupid!

They do, it's included in the price of your coffee even if you don't use them...

Why in gods name would cryptic charge you for game code thats already in the game and just not activated? People please dont give this company your money, if you cant see what funding these animals is doing to the gaming world you need to wake up.

As much as any (insert MMO name here) has collector's edition, vet rewards or RMT features.

  Yes the price of the napkin is figured in as is the cream and sugar.Starbucks has the price of the coffee listed and doesnt stick you in the ass for a napkin after you have paid the price listed.

 Edit for spelling.

 

 

 

Originally posted by Pelu

Ya... if u dont like companies with the "sucking your bucks too the max" then move to mars... everybody do that, some of them in a more fresh ways, other at least cover it up, but they just want your bucks... if u want things for free then go to %^&*torrent.com but then people start complaining too...

One question that people need to answer themselves, why give it for free if we can get money for it? after all we are not the red cross...

Accepting the fact the people are ripping you off doesnt make it more acceptable, at least not to anyone with a fraction of intelligence. 

Also Its not giving it out for free! People are paying 50 bucks, plus 15 dollars a month, they shouldnt have to pay for a race on a different faction.

And the comparison to WoW is bullshit, In wow you are given every race and class option, after you pay the box cost you are getting everything in the game except a few small vanity items like pets. The reason you pay the monthly fee is for updates which WoW receives regularly.

Originally posted by MavisP

Originally posted by Deewe

Originally posted by jiveturkey12

 

Yea but does Starbucks charge you for napkins? Or a drink of tap water? No they dont, because thats stupid!

They do, it's included in the price of your coffee even if you don't use them...

Why in gods name would cryptic charge you for game code thats already in the game and just not activated? People please dont give this company your money, if you cant see what funding these animals is doing to the gaming world you need to wake up.

As much as any (insert MMO name here) has collector's edition, vet rewards or RMT features.

  Yes the price of the napkin is figured in as is the creme and sugar.Starbucks has the price of the coffee listed and doesnt stick you in the ass for a napkin after you have paid the price listed.

 

Exactly, Cryptics business is just shady I dont know why people want to defend it.

Originally posted by MavisP

I dont call a $50 box and $15 a month free. People, at least myself, want a complete game for the box price and sub fee. Not to be milked out of every penny they can get.

/People: More content for the price;

/Developers: You paid for what u get;

/People: quits;

/end program;

and the cycles keep going, with each mmo...

Originally posted by Pelu

Originally posted by MavisP

I dont call a $50 box and $15 a month free. People, at least myself, want a complete game for the box price and sub fee. Not to be milked out of every penny they can get.

/People: More content for the price;

/Developers: You paid for what u get;

/People: quits;

/end program;

and the cycles keep going, with each mmo...

But did you get what you payed for is the question.

people: we want more stuff

developer: thats what u get

people: what, give us more stuff

developer: then pay more

people: we already paid

developer: pay more

people: no

developer: then screw no new ships and lasers for you, later

No badiess to anyone, but you pay 50 bucks... and the game have stuff for 50 bucks, dont expect content for a 80 bucks or 100 bucks game, a few developers give u a little more content than the industry standard, some others big SOBs and give u less, then pull off the finger on you...

But looks like a practice this days in tons of games around, a few hours of gameplay for 50 bucks... the old 1000 hours game is gone, now if is 20 or 30 is way too much... single player games that are only 8 hours long...

Now if u convert that 1000 to lets say 25 in single player games, to mmos... then u can get an idea of how much a mmo is worth...

The only thing i expect is extra content with each monthly fee, otherwise i get bored of the original content too fast and quit... developers call here... give me something new each month or I go...

If u still dont like the little content of games, then maybe you should step up and do something radical in the industry, try to be creative, but hey, dont forget, there is some financial thinking on that...

Originally posted by Deewe

Originally posted by jiveturkey12

 

Yea but does Starbucks charge you for napkins? Or a drink of tap water? No they dont, because thats stupid!

They do, it's included in the price of your coffee even if you don't use them...

Ok, so if Starbucks includes napkin fees in the coffee prices, then logically Cryptic should include the content fees (even if you don't use it) in the box price+subscription like all other p2p MMO's do. Thusly these RMTs are BS.

Edit: Needham is middle english for hobo so I guess that guy is just born in a mindset of never having enough

After reading this news about STO, I just resubbed to EVE! Hmmmm...maybe this post was just a big advetisment for EVE Online! $9.95/month sounds awesome now! I'm buying a year's worth now! Free expansions even!

lol

Take it this way, Klingon pay to play federation is like a deterrent for people to crazyly and mindlessly cross race factions here... and a lucrative for them too...

Originally posted by Hersaint

After reading this news about STO, I just resubbed to EVE! Hmmmm...maybe this post was just a big advetisment for EVE Online! $9.95/month sounds awesome now! I'm buying a year's worth now! Free expansions even!

lol

There u have one developer that doesnt care much about making big bucks... but is only eve one doing this right...? They really love their game, see ya in eve people...

Originally posted by MavisP

  Not near the people would have major issues with it because not near the people would be playing the game. Its the old bait and switch.

Correct. It is easier to ask forgiveness, than seek permission.

Once players have invested time and money into the game, they are more likely to accept additional expense and screw-ups.

Originally posted by Pelu

Sounds to me that people wants things for free... wth... mmos are not a charity omg... and if u think is crap, the best thing u can do is move a long, same in RL...

1 - if you're paying every month, then it's not 'free'.

2 - a gamer would want to get the best deal possible for his money. Why are you taking the company's side in this?

Funny since these two races were available in open beta, but later removed due to "graphical issues".

I wish graphical issues made me a couple bucks.

MMORPG.com should really be journalistic and add an award for most shoddy business practices among MMO developers and/or publishers.

I'm not surprised by this information.  Mainly b/c of how they treated Champion's Online. The C-store doesn't belong in gaming. 

Originally posted by jiveturkey12 

Also Its not giving it out for free! People are paying 50 bucks, plus 15 dollars a month, they shouldnt have to pay for a race on a different faction.

 

And the comparison to WoW is bullshit, In wow you are given every race and class option, after you pay the box cost you are getting everything in the game except a few small vanity items like pets. The reason you pay the monthly fee is for updates which WoW receives regularly. 

So, what you're saying is that Burning Crusade, Wrath of the Lich King nor future Cataclysm expansion never happened nor will happen? Fascinating. ;) Or is it that you never would purchase them?

As far as I remember Blizzard did not add you anything to your character choices except in these expansions that could be compared to what Cryptic is offering which is charging you for the extra "fun" stuff. Sure, there came patches and additional areas and content in form of quests and such but that's what STO players are going to get as well. These  additions in WoW were however in Blizzards designs to do from the start if the game started rolling nicely for the base game anyway. After this they decided that they will start making expansions to further bring in money instead of continuing to expand the game with the basic subscription fee.

I'd see this as pretty much the same as what every other MMO has done but done in a slightly different way. Though I do not yet know how Cryptic will handle larger expansions later on that almost every MMO that is still alive has gotten.

The only difference here is that Cryptic is using an in game store instead of computer game stores and cutting the extra layers of cost to the player and themselves in delivering the content to the players. I'd find that an advantage for the gamer in some ways. Blizzard also did this for Wrath of the Lich King when they started selling it in their account management.

I have not personally followed Cryptic's track record in the past and Champions Online was not a genre I was ever interested in so I cannot take a stand on how they may have done ill will towards anyone or how ill that will has truly been.

Regards to my WoW knowledge, I played it for a few years but got really bored of the way the game never developed in quest content style. Kill x of these. Gather y of these from there. Kill x of these to get y of these off them. Run to the other corner of the continent to speak to one guy who says that I need a drink of water from the furthest corner of another continent and come back to hear that you could have picked up another item once you were there because he'd like it now. It was basically always kill or gather or perhaps even sometimes use an item somewhere with an item or without an item and all you ever got was a bit of money and perhaps a piece of equipment. :)

There is no way in hell I will buy this "game" and I have advised other not to as well :-)

greedy men in suits, are greedy men.

I played the beta it and  I denstalled it from my comp.  I was going to wait 6 months then check it back out to see if it got any better.  However now that I see it is a cash crab just like the previous title, there is no way  that Cryptic will ever get my business.

g

If you have self respect / brains, you'll cancel your preorder.

Sad something so horrible can be called Star Trek.  Cryptic is truly taking on the onus of it's parent. Atari.

Can't believe so many chumps are buying it.  As P.T. Barnum said " there is a sucker born every minute".

Originally posted by mrroboto40

Funny since these two races were available in open beta, but later removed due to "graphical issues".

I wish graphical issues made me a couple bucks.

MMORPG.com should really be journalistic and add an award for most shoddy business practices among MMO developers and/or publishers.

The main graphical issue being that their balance on their online statement wasn't increasing at the desired rate.

Originally posted by mrw0lf

Originally posted by mrroboto40

Funny since these two races were available in open beta, but later removed due to "graphical issues".

I wish graphical issues made me a couple bucks.

MMORPG.com should really be journalistic and add an award for most shoddy business practices among MMO developers and/or publishers.

 

The main graphical issue being that their balance on their online statement wasn't increasing at the desired rate.

Just like they suddenly put a CAP on a NO CAP designed skill system at the end of Open Beta. Otherwise they couldn't start selling extra character slots and Respecs via the C-store as well.

Originally posted by Vegaa

lame... why would these races not be included in the full version people just paid for??. What a rip off. 49.00 US is no small fee. The game is nothing more than a "cash extraction software". Greed, not gameplay is the major design theme.

Very well stated. This is the sole reason why I refuse to play STO.

I will never play a Cryptic game. Their entire practice is pure greed. They know that they can milk every dollar from hardcore Star Trek fans. They spend too much on collectibles as is.

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Originally posted by mrroboto40
Funny since these two races were available in open beta, but later removed due to "graphical issues".
I wish graphical issues made me a couple bucks.
MMORPG.com should really be journalistic and add an award for most shoddy business practices among MMO developers and/or publishers.

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Is this true? Wow...just wow. Im an old gamer and watched Star Trek as a kid and well...I'm just sad this game turned out this way. Was hoping for better than a "free game" quality, money grab. Too bad, Nimoy. Good thing he doenst have the ability to feel.

Is this a good move for STO, it's anyone's guess. If they can get enough fans into the game that don't know any better this might work. My hope, they go down in flames. A message needs to be sent to MMO publishers, BOX+SUB+RMT = NO SALE. The only thing in the C-Store from launch should have been items such as character transfers, renames or slots. I just don't think this is a way to start a relationship with a customer.

What I gathered, this is not locking customers out of an entire faction, it's only a skin. I am also not sure, but some STO forum posters said these "skins" were already in the game but taken out because of graphic issues and were not told they would be sold back to them. I can't confirm that however as no one has posted a dev blog.

After reading CO's move to charge for an expansion that fills a much needed gap and now this I can't fathom anyone on MMORPG could be surprised by this news. Whether you agree with these business practices or not you must admit Cryptic is starting to develop quite a bad reputation. This is kind of a bummer, I was hoping EVE would get some worthwhile competition.

Originally posted by Kravis

Is this a good move for STO, it's anyone's guess. If they can get enough fans into the game that don't know any better this might work. My hope, they go down in flames. A message needs to be sent to MMO publishers, BOX+SUB+RMT = NO SALE. The only thing in the C-Store from launch should have been items such as character transfers, renames or slots. I just don't think this is a way to start a relationship with a customer.

STO character renames are free and there is no need for character transfers as there is only one Universe in which all play. Additional character slots on the other hand will most propably be sold in C-Store.

On the other hand if they start selling character transfers from Federation faction to Klingon faction or reverse of that, then they start going deeply to stupid ideas. That should be implemented as something that you can play yourself into if this is really ever implemented. :)

49.99$ with no working key and pay2play races

all sa(i)d

It's  the way of future games in the U.S. market, no big deal, to me it's a non issue, I don't have to use it, but more and more games are adding micro-transactions, they are a for profit company, they don't make these games for us out of the goodness of thier hearts, that would be nice... :)

Originally posted by wgc01

It's  the way of future games in the U.S. market, no big deal, to me it's a non issue, I don't have to use it, but more and more games are adding micro-transactions, they are a for profit company, they don't make these games for us out of the goodness of thier hearts, that would be nice... :)

Its only "the way of the future" if people let it be, nothing is set in stone, if people vote with their feet so to speak againest certain trends within the MMORPG genre then you will be suprised how fast it stops.

However all this requires people to make a long term descision about gaming and act apon it, sadly its easier to whinge and whine than to act, and also the tendencies for people en masse to behave like sheep, so as long as there is some grazing to be had in these RMT + monthly games people will go BAAAAaaaaa but shuffle along its shallow content, move onto the next "Thing" rinse and repeat, which is how this all started in the first place.

Edit..Actually I curse  the F2P crowd, they have brought everything down to the lowest common denominator, these games all breed a sweatshop mentiality that then creates the sweatshop gold farmers and......Well before rant takes full flight of spit flecked shouted abuse, lets just say I dislike everything with a passion that one writer for this site keeps trying to say/push about inovation and fun from Asia.

Nothing personnel its a nice beard and sunglasses look, but I aint buying what your clearly selling. Only grind I enjoy is my coffee beans for 5 mins in the morning, was going say 3 mins with the wife but that be pampering to the lowest common denominator.....

Thing that bugs me about the "fan" reaction is that you DON'T HAVE TO buy these races to play the game. All you are paying for is a FEDERATION Klingon or Ferengi - not the right to play their faction but to play a Federation version. If you know Star Trek Lore then you would know these races are rarely Federation members. If you want to play one then there is a cost.

Frankly if you don't want to - DON'T BUY THEM! Play the game without them.

All mmo's have something they charge extra above the sub+retail box- in WoW you pay to change server or race; in COH you had to pay for extra character slots etc etc. it's hardly new in MMO's. Cryptic's mistake here was not announce in advance what was going to be in the C Store.

If the idea of paying extra for something stops you looking at a game good luck finding any game out there for you.

I am wondering about people that don't visit forums or official websites and then  go to a game-store or anywhere they sell games and see the box and think SWEET a "Star Trek Online" game.

How much info is on the box about the game, might want to check this out later today when I go to the city....

Originally posted by Ogrebear

Thing that bugs me about the "fan" reaction is that you DON'T HAVE TO buy these races to play the game. All you are paying for is a FEDERATION Klingon or Ferengi - not the right to play their faction but to play a Federation version. If you know Star Trek Lore then you would know these races are rarely Federation members. If you want to play one then there is a cost.

Frankly if you don't want to - DON'T BUY THEM! Play the game without them.

All mmo's have something they charge extra above the sub+retail box- in WoW you pay to change server or race; in COH you had to pay for extra character slots etc etc. it's hardly new in MMO's. Cryptic's mistake here was not announce in advance what was going to be in the C Store.

If the idea of paying extra for something stops you looking at a game good luck finding any game out there for you.

Announce??  They flat out lied to their playerbase about it!

The 2 races were available during Closed Beta and were suddenly pulled from it, with the message that it was bugged and that it would be put back into the game later on.

Instead, it was just an excuse and they weren't bugged, as they just decided to put it in the C-store instead to squeeze out more cash from the players.

Just like they pulled the NO CAP idea last minute in Open Beta and put a CAP on their skill system. Just so they can sell extra char slots and later on respecs through their C-store as well. And this one was really bad, as they really tried to keep this under the rug and quiet!  They haven't even updated their site yet. It's still saying that it's open!  /facepalm

Cryptic has become so predictable. It's not even funny. More like crying, seeing how many naive fans continue to defend them with every last breath they have, because they are so desperate to have a Star Trek game. /Sigh

 Disgraceful behaviour for a MMORPG website, that is hardly an article or news piece, it is entirely intended to hurt the game.

For example, did you know that two new races are available to players at the C-Store? Federation Klingon and Federation Ferengi can both be had for 240 and 80 Cryptic Points respectively

So what? You didn't comment on the game, or its launch, all you did was pick up that line and a picture of it and attempt to insult the reputation of the company.

No wonder this site has gone downhill in the recent years. 

Your information presents itself without clarity and the lesser intellects could take it as meaning you have to pay for klingons. 

Which is not true at all.

whats bad about this game?

Originally posted by Pelu

Take it this way, Klingon pay to play federation is like a deterrent for people to crazyly and mindlessly PURCHASE STO ... and a FAST TRACK TO A SHITTY REPUTATION for them too...

Fixed!

I won't buy this junk, pay to play Borg and other races is just taking the **** in my opinion. Even if that weren't happening it's not even a bloody MMORPG! I mean it's like the red headed step child of Champions online and Guild wars but with a trek skin and subscription fee with a cash shop being run by Quark's mercenary brother!

This game is not only a perversion of the Star Trek name it's also a perversion of the MMORPG genre!

Gene Roddenberry is no doubt rolling in his grave right now,

Agricola.

Originally posted by Kitsunami

 Disgraceful behaviour for a MMORPG website, that is hardly an article or news piece, it is entirely intended to hurt the game.

 

For example, did you know that two new races are available to players at the C-Store? Federation Klingon and Federation Ferengi can both be had for 240 and 80 Cryptic Points respectively

 

So what? You didn't comment on the game, or its launch, all you did was pick up that line and a picture of it and attempt to insult the reputation of the company.

No wonder this site has gone downhill in the recent years. 

Your information presents itself without clarity and the lesser intellects could take it as meaning you have to pay for klingons. 

Which is not true at all.

 

You can take your blinders off now.  Just to enlighten you, the company deserves the negative press, they are going to soak the playerbase for every cent they can because there is no depth to it and few will play it beyond 3 months.  Just a pitiful excuse for a MMO. 

 Y'know, I'm not playing the game, or planning on buying it any time soon, but theres this one thing I've GOT to point out to people, since it seems they're missing something massive... 

A ) The costs here are three dollars to, effectively, play an Orc in the Alliance. 

B ) The money-based race costs a buck. Hell, its more of a throwaway joke than a sign of the end-times. 

.... This is seriously a shitstorm, people? Ye gods. 

Originally posted by Teyar

 Y'know, I'm not playing the game, or planning on buying it any time soon, but theres this one thing I've GOT to point out to people, since it seems they're missing something massive... 

 

A ) The costs here are three dollars to, effectively, play an Orc in the Alliance. 

B ) The money-based race costs a buck. Hell, its more of a throwaway joke than a sign of the end-times. 

 

 

.... This is seriously a shitstorm, people? Ye gods. 

The point being made is the principle not the amount, erosion of what you take for granted or expect is always erroded slowly, and if you dont get the principle of what allot of people complaining about, then well please keep playing, enjoy your game and leave others to bemoan the fleecing of the sheep.

 Wow, way to prove my point about people not paying attention. 

Three points :

1)These races are just skins and nothing more, oh with a few inconsequential traits attached. If you play the game then you will know what i mean, if you dont play the game then you are going on 2nd hand info and don't really know what you are talking about (sorry).

2) Even if they are for sale? So what? Are we, the players, not responsible for in game shops? When the devs embrace what we want we get upset about it. And if you dont know what i am referring to i am talking about Gold sellers or specfically Gold buyers. They started this trend of buying stuff in games and now we have to live with it, tough, get used to it already as we brought it upon ourselves and it is set to stay.

3) We complain that games are not released all singing, all dancing, polished, bug free, content rich and with an engaging End Game. You think these feature just fall into the game or that the producers of games are subsidised by the government?

Well the simply answer is they are not? Games cost money to produce, there is not a lot of money in making games, they don't pay programmers so well, so the top notch programmers do not work for games companies. Game companies are out to make money as well as try to satisfy the gaming comunity as they strive to meet the requests in point 3 above. So they find ways of making money, life time subs, ingame stores, name changes, race changes etc. to fund all the gamers requirements and make a profit.

And what do we do ?? Complain Complain complain meh...........Anyone would think we hate this genre and want it to die!

My God we must be spending a lot of our hard earn cash on our main source of entertainment! Yeah, we buy a box for $60 and a monthly sub of $15 and play the game every day for a year, which when you break it down comes to about 20 cents an hour(and it is so enjoyable we get addicted).

WHAT other form of entertainment costs that? And yet we complain. We are simply cheap, ungrateful, freeloaders imho.

Just look at the responses in this thread all compalints about spending money. rofl even $2 or $3.

I for one would be happy to pay double the amount of the box and twice if not more for the monthly sub if i can get a decent game. Yes I am prepared to pay for my entertainment and don't expect to them be free or pay a pittance for it as we are currently are doing.

Kind of feels like a F2P concept to me. Yeah it's a few bucks, but if they keep adding stuff like this, it adds up eventually. I really don't feel like going out of my way to get points. Buying points for any game is a complete fail. Now as for expansion packs it is worth it. Because not only do you get more races but you get more content. It's kind of like Hanukkah and Christmas. I would rather have all my gifts at once rather than get one a day. Plus expansion packs build more hype and thus the pre orders and sales create more of a turnover.

Originally posted by VultureSkull

Three points :

1)These races are just skins and nothing more, oh with a few inconsequential traits attached. If you play the game then you will know what i mean, if you dont play the game then you are going on 2nd hand info and don't really know what you are talking about (sorry).

 

 

2) Even if they are for sale? So what? Are we, the players, not responsible for in game shops? When the devs embrace what we want we get upset about it. And if you dont know what i am referring to i am talking about Gold sellers or specfically Gold buyers. They started this trend of buying stuff in games and now we have to live with it, tough, get used to it already as we brought it upon ourselves and it is set to stay.

 

3) We complain that games are not released all singing, all dancing, polished, bug free, content rich and with an engaging End Game. You think these feature just fall into the game or that the producers of games are subsidised by the government?

 

Well the simply answer is they are not? Games cost money to produce, there is not a lot of money in making games, they don't pay programmers so well, so the top notch programmers do not work for games companies. Game companies are out to make money as well as try to satisfy the gaming comunity as they strive to meet the requests in point 3 above. So they find ways of making money, life time subs, ingame stores, name changes, race changes etc. to fund all the gamers requirements and make a profit.

 

And what do we do ?? Complain Complain complain meh...........Anyone would think we hate this genre and want it to die!

 

My God we must be spending a lot of our hard earn cash on our main source of entertainment! Yeah, we buy a box for $60 and a monthly sub of $15 and play the game every day for a year, which when you break it down comes to about 20 cents an hour(and it is so enjoyable we get addicted).

 

WHAT other form of entertainment costs that? And yet we complain. We are simply cheap, ungrateful, freeloaders imho.

 

Just look at the responses in this thread all compalints about spending money. rofl even $2 or $3.

I for one would be happy to pay double the amount of the box and twice if not more for the monthly sub if i can get a decent game. Yes I am prepared to pay for my entertainment and don't expect to them be free or pay a pittance for it as we are currently are doing.

 

 

Free loaders? We're still playing money to pay. And who cares what it breaks down to daily. Even in a month's time $15 could be gas or groceries. Some of us are just barely making ends meet in the meantime so every bit of $ counts. And those programmers make a hell of a lot more than I do. Try being unemployed since March of 2009 and getting side work here and there to stay afloat. A lot of people may hate WoW, but for me I can manage to swing $15 a month and I still get to have content added via patches without paying anything extra. And at most I only have to worry about an expansion once a year. If STO works out, then great for them. I wish them luck. But I really don't want to have to pay more for extras unless it's an expansion.

 If you're paying a monthly fee, you shouldn't be nickel and dimed for features that should be included in a Star Trek game. I play STO and enjoy it, but I refuse to pay to create a Federation Klingon or a Ferengi. You want to put sunglasses or costumes in a store that's fine, but not major races from the lore that should be included from the start.

Disclaimer: Purchased the basic box and paying $15 for a sub. Played about 8-10 hours so far. Have no intention to purchase "cosmetic" content from the in-game store.

Mirco-transactions mean options. As long as you do not need the game store items to play the game, it is not double-dipping. You, as the consumer, have a choice to invest in the additional content. If you don't, it's no different than playing a game without purchasing the latest paid expansion. As a casual gamer, I would actually prefer to pay just for what I want out of the game than pay the cost of a boxed expansion that includes content in which I have no interest.

Other things I'm okay with in the store are: extra character slots, additional sections of space, a special chain quest that centered on a favorite aspect of the IP (an epic campaign against the Borg, getting stuck on the holodeck, etc.). Maybe I don't mind paying for these things because an extra $5 doesn't seem like such a big financial dent.

I've been playing STO since its public launch and actually enjoy the instanced content. For all the individuals griping that it's not a true MMO, I recognize that it's different. It's in space. There are no elves. But, I do find myself playing with other players probably every other instanced system. I actually built up a rather nice community of reliable friends to trek with in the first two days, something that did not happen in WoW or EvE.

The thing I love most about this situation is that you all can do something about it. Don't buy or play the game if you don't like it.

Originally posted by kartool

 If you're paying a monthly fee, you shouldn't be nickel and dimed for features that should be included in a Star Trek game. I play STO and enjoy it, but I refuse to pay to create a Federation Klingon or a Ferengi. You want to put sunglasses or costumes in a store that's fine, but not major races from the lore that should be included from the start.

And why not? And who said they should be included with the game? Is that what you are used and expect to happen here to perhaps?

I lost interest in STO in closed beta because it looked and played too much like Champions Online in Space (CO is a good game, don't get me wrong -- it's just not for me).

The eStore is fine, IMO.  A perfect way for Cryptic to make money off the Want-It-Now Generation.  Besides it's optional "looks" for sale, everything there is available in game rather easily.

I predict STO will do just fine, especially with Trekkies, though.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by bigdaddysfe

I feel bad for the people who bought Lifetime Subscriptions and are going to get nickle-and-dimed to death from the add-ons that should be free.

 

I don't. Not one tiny bit. Not after all the warnings we gave them.

I hate that Cryptic is going to make money from them, though.

Yes, you and I and a few others even got blasted in our efforts to try to warn others. It's unfortunate, but some of us have the foresight to see these things coming while others have blinders on.
 

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Originally posted by MrcdesOwnr
Yes, you and I and a few others even got blasted in our efforts to try to warn others. It's unfortunate, but some of us have the foresight to see these things coming while others have blinders on.
 

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We are the Fanbois. Put on your blinders and surrender your whines. We will add your niche and gaming distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.

Originally posted by jiveturkey12

Originally posted by Deewe

Originally posted by jiveturkey12

 

Yea but does Starbucks charge you for napkins? Or a drink of tap water? No they dont, because thats stupid!

They do, it's included in the price of your coffee even if you don't use them...

Why in gods name would cryptic charge you for game code thats already in the game and just not activated? People please dont give this company your money, if you cant see what funding these animals is doing to the gaming world you need to wake up.

As much as any (insert MMO name here) has collector's edition, vet rewards or RMT features.

 

How the hell do you manage to compare, paying extra money for already exsisting game code, to buying a collectors edition of a game?

Im in no way saying developers dont make money off collectors editions, but its not shady. You know what your getting when you spend the extra money on the collectors edition and most 95% of cases, it contains a physical object that is limited, not an in game item (They do have them, but thats not what the bulk of the money is going towards). 

Plus Vet Rewards? What are you talking about? Thats a small incentive to play the game longer, most of the time they are nothing more than a painting or a shield, not a full race or class.

Seriously am I missing something here?

For those of you that are just not getting it! Please read the above highlighted text. Now, read it again. Finally, let it sink in for a moment.

This is what separates the honest from the shady. Knowing up front, what you are getting for your money rather than being surprised, after the fact. This means everything to me! I have no problem whatsoever, if a company wants to make a buck, as long as they are transparent beforehand.

It's Cryptic's business practices that are the real issue here.

 

Originally posted by r3zs1ckn3ss

 

Free loaders? We're still playing money to pay. And who cares what it breaks down to daily. Even in a month's time $15 could be gas or groceries. Some of us are just barely making ends meet in the meantime so every bit of $ counts. And those programmers make a hell of a lot more than I do. Try being unemployed since March of 2009 and getting side work here and there to stay afloat. A lot of people may hate WoW, but for me I can manage to swing $15 a month and I still get to have content added via patches without paying anything extra. And at most I only have to worry about an expansion once a year. If STO works out, then great for them. I wish them luck. But I really don't want to have to pay more for extras unless it's an expansion.

Yeah man so even when we are unemployed we can afford to play an mmo. What kind of quality you think that gets us?

Nothing in this world is free we get what we pay for. And if we pay a little then we get low quality. If we pay more we get better quality simple.

Originally posted by Airwren

Considering Cryptic's absolute failure at launching Champions Online and their launch day "debacle" with that game you'd think the folks running the show would have figured out how this was going to go over.  Sadly, some day we're going to be remembering when Cryptic developed MMO's because they're going to run themselves out of business if they keep *ucking this stuff up.  I really don't care about this that much but I personally think this is just a precursor to them "announcing" that respecs of your skill points will only be offered via C-Store purchase.  If they aren't planning on doing this then there is absolutely no excuse for not having respecs in the game already.  The engine for STO and a great deal of the game is just ripped off from CO and they had a functional respec system in CO at launch.  It isn't like it should be hard for them to code and implement that system now, unless oh wait they are going to get as many initial orders on the game as they can, make as much money up front as they can, and then drop this little gem after the initial free 30 days have ended. 

 

P.S.  Can the MMORPG staff please sticky this post so that I can reference it when I'm right?   thanks =P

Haha sticky that, yeah disappointed, not really surprised so many companies screwing over their loyal clients, Infinity Ward with no dedicated servers, STO with this crap, and I wait in anticipation to see how blizzard with screw over yet another group of gamers with starcraft 2

Originally posted by Distiler

There was a time when the montly fee included everything. CCP includes also expansions.

I also recognize the monthly fee has not increased with inflation in the last decade, that is also true, but Star Trek Online is not an mmo and it doesen't require even a fraction of tecnology a  real mmo like EvE needs.

Cryptic is not gonna gain playerbase trust with this kind of greedy policy and the game will suffer.

 

QFT

If the game was f2p, then sure doing something like this is fine.  Some of the diehard trekkies were annoyed how Cryptic butchered the lore.  Now, they are annoying those gamers that were "on the fence" on whether they were going to buy STO or not. 

Strange, Cryptic did so well with CoH but since they struck on on their own they fumbled both Champions Online and now Star Trek Online.  Maybe those people that stayed with NCSoft were the developers that knew what they were doing?

After I Beta tested on CO I knew this game would suck as well. cryptics name is in the dirt lower than NCSOFT --for now  lol. Sorry for all teh suckers that paid for this game but I sincerely hope you find fun in the game somehow. I also am a sucker for I purchases AION and totally felt  ripped off  but  I did learn not to jump the gun and pre order anymore because it just isn't smart nowadays. Beta test FTW !! That's All!

To all the STO buyers: "They say jump, you say "how high?"