wow i may be resubing sooner an for a year at a time then!very nice deal.

Hopefully they can get by all the bad press they've recieveed by both players and critics. This game truly has potential, it was just released too early, with no end game. This won't do much though, I don't think.

As a consumer this is great news but unfortunetly some companies have made me wary of long term MMO commitments. I'd be much happier with a decrease in the monthly rate (on a per month basis).

Originally posted by Suvroc

As a consumer this is great news but unfortunetly some companies have made me wary of long term MMO commitments. I'd be much happier with a decrease in the monthly rate (on a per month basis).

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NOw - if this was WOW then it would be great news...

Thing is... ITs not....

And gamers should wonder why. 

Originally posted by Suvroc

As a consumer this is great news but unfortunetly some companies have made me wary of long term MMO commitments. I'd be much happier with a decrease in the monthly rate (on a per month basis).

They could have made it 3 months for 9.99 just like LOTRO. I'm sure it will boost their subscription rate if it were that price.

To me this just say we are desperate.

I agree, I wouldn't give it more than three months at a time, it might not last that long lol.  And $12 a month is still just too much imo.  I'd pay $10...probably.  This discount is not bringing me back, although I might check it out again in the future sometime (maybe once it's discounted again, lol!)

Desperation before it hits free to play status. I remember when AoC had so much potential and sounded so cool. 

Good idea. Reminds me of LoTRO and their lifetime sub deal.

Don't expect Free to Play or any other major changes unitl after the expansion. Basically, AoC is on hold until the expansion is released. If they pull it off then expect subs to increase. If not the game will collapse.

Just an opinion.

Originally posted by bigsmiff

Originally posted by Suvroc

As a consumer this is great news but unfortunetly some companies have made me wary of long term MMO commitments. I'd be much happier with a decrease in the monthly rate (on a per month basis).

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Agreed, I remember 3 or so months after launch the people disgusted with themselves for buying 6 months in advance. Its a good deal but ONLY if you know you'll be playing for a while. Most people with less than 2 months under their belt tend not to make much past that.

The game still has potential, but considering how well it has been managed so far I really don’t feel it is worth more than five dollars a month as there are games with better execution that are free to play but with way better graphics than most.

I have high hopes and fears for the upcoming expansion.  I wish them good luck with the game.

Originally posted by Millsmate

Hopefully they can get by all the bad press they've recieveed by both players and critics. This game truly has potential, it was just released too early, with no end game. This won't do much though, I don't think.

Ask Vanguard. Dark & Light. Star Wars Galaxies.

You don't recover from a bad launch. MMO rule #1

Funcom,

I think it's a great idea to lower the rates of your subscription, considering the lack of popularity of your game and the instense competition in this genre. However, I do not think it's near enough.

First off, subscribing for multiple months locks us into 1 game during those months, because the majority of people do not subscribe to more than one game. For a game that's not popular, and has a lot of "bad word of mouth" advertising, it's a serious risk to commit to such a subscription. Also, while it may only be $12/mo for 3 months, it's still a whopping $36 up front for a game you're not sure you like enough to play for that long.

In order to earn my interest, you'll have to lower your subscription fee down to $9.99 per month.

Originally posted by ozy1

To me this just say we are desperate.

Not really . LoTRO has package deals and most game sites list it as the #2 or #3 MMO in the US for 2 straight yrs.

Originally posted by sfc1971
Ask Vanguard. Dark & Light. Star Wars Galaxies.

You don't recover from a bad launch. MMO rule #1

Exactly. No MMO that was pushed out too early has ever recovered to the point they could garner any meaningful subs long term. There's no shaking  the bad odor. EQ is a somewhat grey area, it wasn't so much pushed out too early as the tech was still in the pioneering stage AND they grossly underestimated the interest in the game and didn't have the capacity to support it w/o tons of zone lag for the first few weeks.

Originally posted by sfc1971

Ask Vanguard. Dark & Light. Star Wars Galaxies.

You don't recover from a bad launch. MMO rule #1

Everquest 2?

Not going to re-sub even if it is free to play. It will still remind the "last title I will ever purchase from Failcom"

Even if they paid me that amount per month and I will still not going to play this 32GB (initial install) POS ever again.

Originally posted by Thillian

Originally posted by sfc1971

Ask Vanguard. Dark & Light. Star Wars Galaxies.

You don't recover from a bad launch. MMO rule #1

 

Everquest 2?

Ehm... are you agreeing or disagreeing?
 

EQ2 is indeed a bit of a grey area, it is hard to decide wether it had a bad launch. It didn't compared to other SOE titles but a lot of people had NOT expected WoW to happen either. So it "failed" by the standards of a game launched later...

So to me, EQ2 is the game that had an normal launch, then WoW changed the rules and EQ2 fails by those new rules. 

It is often hard to truly appreciate exactly what WoW has achieved. It has more active players then all those 174 mmo's combined (okay, that may be a lie, but you get the point).

On a chart of subscribers, you can't put WoW because all the other MMO's will just blur into a brown line at the bottom. 

So, my point stands, EQ2 has NOT miracously gained 1 million subscribers, let alone 10 million since launch. 

The amount of bitterness towards aoc seems in line with the botched launch. The game now is probably among the best,  but forum activists seem to carry a grudge for long.

On a more personal note. A couple of dollars won't push me in any direction.

I am niether a fanboi or hater of AoC - more a disappointed hoper that felt a little let down at how bland the game quickly became - but there is no way you can justify that this game is one of the best out there - just damn ridiculous.

A reduction in subscription is always welcome but without real change to the core mechanics and gameplay no one will resubsctibe, find much different and stay for very long - the competitoin is too great for peoples limited spending / time.

I would be happier if they took the cash and paid for quick development of new alternate starter zones, far more quest content, huge revamps to mid game content and a slew of end game stuff.

Without this, its the same game with a discount sticker stuck to it

Originally posted by knightee

The amount of bitterness towards aoc seems in line with the botched launch. The game now is probably among the best,  but forum activists seem to carry a grudge for long.

On a more personal note. A couple of dollars won't push me in any direction.

People tend to take money serious. I payed for the game and a two-month game card. I played for  1.5 months meaning  I got seriously shafted for a game that just wasn't finished.

It is perfectly normal behaviour, we do it all the time. If you go to a restaurant and the waiter delivers a raw potato instead of french fries, do you smile happily and say "Oh, they just weren't ready yet". Of course NOT.

As for the game being the best. I tried the welcome back offer. The game ain't very good at all. 

But I suppose it depends on how much you want twitch in your gameplay. Personally I think AoC just asked you to press 3+ buttons for every single button you pressed in EQ/WoW/Etc but that probably just means I don't get it. Well, me and everyone else who isn't playing the game.

Funcom made two mistakes. A: the product was unfinished and they haven't give us our money back (forget two free weaks, give me back my 3 months) and B: the game just isn't fun to play.

It's appeal seems to be to people who love lots of button presses and  perhaps some PvPers. Maybe it has hidden charms, but I have given it enough time and money. And in commerce you better have a better plan for dealing with upset customers then ignoring them, because in the days of theinternet, we can vent our frustrations and warn others.
PePeopl
 

Interesting.  I think they would have done better if they just followed LotRO extended month sub prices.  3 months for 9.99/month is a great deal.  Having to sub to a game for a year to get it for around 8 bucks just doesn't seem worth it to me...

Originally posted by sfc1971

Originally posted by Millsmate

Hopefully they can get by all the bad press they've recieveed by both players and critics. This game truly has potential, it was just released too early, with no end game. This won't do much though, I don't think.

Ask Vanguard. Dark & Light. Star Wars Galaxies.

You don't recover from a bad launch. MMO rule #1

That's not entirely true. I remember buying WoW the first copy at my local best buy.  I got home, bam huge update. Got to play for about 30 minutes, server crash.  Log back in, about 15 minutes earlier, 1000+ queue lol.  Then again, it seems that WoW is the exception to every rule.  I think the only thing wrong with AoC is that they released it way to early, to go up against WAR (mythic did the same thing).

I purchased this game (trial) about 6 days ago and subscribed  5 days ago (only the first 20 levels of the game was worth the purchase) and tbh i am only getting like 4-5h of sleep per day ( i am currently unemployed ) and the rest goes out to aoc (i am lvl 63 hox already so if anyone says this game has ANYKIND of grind then by my all means stop playing mmos :) ).

This game is amazing and i am truly sad that i have not tried it before due to bad reviews from players here on mmorpg.

But oh well we live and learn.

And yes if u have an ancient rig then this game is not for u (i am guessing this is where all the "bad" reviews came from) but if u got a decent rig then i suggest u try it out , u will love it.

Originally posted by Filterheadz

 

I purchased this game (trial) about 6 days ago and subscribed  5 days ago (only the first 20 levels of the game was worth the purchase) and tbh i am only getting like 4-5h of sleep per day ( i am currently unemployed ) and the rest goes out to aoc (i am lvl 63 hox already so if anyone says this game has ANYKIND of grind then by my all means stop playing mmos :) ).

This game is amazing and i am truly sad that i have not tried it before due to bad reviews from players here on mmorpg.

But oh well we live and learn.

And yes if u have an ancient rig then this game is not for u (i am guessing this is where all the "bad" reviews came from) but if u got a decent rig then i suggest u try it out , u will love it.

Think about what you just wrote there and ask yourself if that makes any kind of sense. Are you trying to tell everyone here that in all of these bad reviews, that their only complaint was game performance and lag? I recommend rereading those bad reviews, and think about the point of views those reviewers had and the state of the game at the time of those reviews. Then maybe you can respond with something that doesn't sound so...well...stupid?

Originally posted by nate1980

Originally posted by Filterheadz

 

I purchased this game (trial) about 6 days ago and subscribed  5 days ago (only the first 20 levels of the game was worth the purchase) and tbh i am only getting like 4-5h of sleep per day ( i am currently unemployed ) and the rest goes out to aoc (i am lvl 63 hox already so if anyone says this game has ANYKIND of grind then by my all means stop playing mmos :) ).

This game is amazing and i am truly sad that i have not tried it before due to bad reviews from players here on mmorpg.

But oh well we live and learn.

And yes if u have an ancient rig then this game is not for u (i am guessing this is where all the "bad" reviews came from) but if u got a decent rig then i suggest u try it out , u will love it.

 

Think about what you just wrote there and ask yourself if that makes any kind of sense. Are you trying to tell everyone here that in all of these bad reviews, that their only complaint was game performance and lag? I recommend rereading those bad reviews, and think about the point of views those reviewers had and the state of the game at the time of those reviews. Then maybe you can respond with something that doesn't sound so...well...stupid?

I can tell you that i did not stay long in AOC,but the game itself is pretty good.All you need to ask yourself is what do 99.9% of players do in games anyhow?Speed level for no reason at all.All i heard for complaints were END game content,or they were crying for more ways to speed level none of witch i consider legit complaints.

IMO if all you do is ignore content for the sole reason to speed level,then you have no business demanding content of any kind,be it end game or anywhere.

AOC when i played it had zero problems ,i encountered zero bugs and the game looked good.My issues were with linearity.The game on a whole still offers fun combat as good as anything else apart from my fave combat witch is FFXI.The quests albeit in many cases are the same old,are quite different than most every game.There is actually a story to each,it has interaction and asks for more than just go kill 10 bears and return.The night time quest line was kind of cool also,not your everyday thing you see in games.Everything was connected fairly well,i did not find myself totally confused or lost.

If there was a decent player base,i may have continued playing but ,my guild had only about 5-6 people on at a time and there was around 100 people in the guild.

I think the problem with gaming right now,is players are game hopping,hoping to be the first to max level and be the king of the server for PVP.It is all about egos and selfishness,nobody seems to want to enjoy playing with other players and slowly enjoy a game,they think it is a race to show off or something.

For myself,once you finish the end level,then i go back and play the game under a different perspective as a diff class.From the little i witnessed of AOC it seems to at least have quite a bit of diversity from class to class.I know when i changed class playing FFXI,the contrast was so incredible it was like playing a whole new game again.I do not need or want to sit around on my max level character to show off,end game should be end of that player,go make a new one,or go play a different game.

Originally posted by nate1980

Originally posted by Filterheadz

 

I purchased this game (trial) about 6 days ago and subscribed  5 days ago (only the first 20 levels of the game was worth the purchase) and tbh i am only getting like 4-5h of sleep per day ( i am currently unemployed ) and the rest goes out to aoc (i am lvl 63 hox already so if anyone says this game has ANYKIND of grind then by my all means stop playing mmos :) ).

This game is amazing and i am truly sad that i have not tried it before due to bad reviews from players here on mmorpg.

But oh well we live and learn.

And yes if u have an ancient rig then this game is not for u (i am guessing this is where all the "bad" reviews came from) but if u got a decent rig then i suggest u try it out , u will love it.

 

Think about what you just wrote there and ask yourself if that makes any kind of sense. Are you trying to tell everyone here that in all of these bad reviews, that their only complaint was game performance and lag? I recommend rereading those bad reviews, and think about the point of views those reviewers had and the state of the game at the time of those reviews. Then maybe you can respond with something that doesn't sound so...well...stupid?

Dude , i am not trying to implement anything by what i said , i am just telling u and everyone else reading this , that i am enjoying the game and i love it.

It's really as simple as that .

I am not a reviewer and don't have the experience to go in a mmo debate whit u and most of the people reading these forums aren't either , some are just looking for a good fun game but that does not mean that a few sentences well spoken can't make a person realize that this is actually a good game , detailed or not...

Just like Wizardry said , the only thing that this game is lacking at the moment is people , the rest is amazing.

And yes in my own personal opinion i still think that most of the bad reviews for this game came from people who couldn't fully enjoy the game due to it's high performance needs.

Give the game a go and u will not be disappointed and guess what ,  it will cost u nothing !

www.ageofconan.com/trial

Originally posted by Filterheadz

 

Dude , i am not trying to implement anything by what i said , i am just telling u and everyone else reading this , that i am enjoying the game and i love it.

It's really as simple as that .

I am not a reviewer and don't have the experience to go in a mmo debate whit u and most of the people reading these forums aren't either , some are just looking for a good fun game but that does not mean that a few sentences well spoken can't make a person realize that this is actually a good game , detailed or not...

Just like Wizardry said , the only thing that this game is lacking at the moment is people , the rest is amazing.

And yes in my own personal opinion i still think that most of the bad reviews for this game came from people who couldn't fully enjoy the game due to it's high performance needs.

Give the game a go and u will not be disappointed and guess what ,  it will cost u nothing !

www.ageofconan.com/trial

You're certainly entitled to your opinion. I wasn't trying to take that away from you. I just thought it'd be fair to give the bad reviews the benefit of the doubt, and acknowledge that they had some genuine dislikes with the game. I, myself, didn't like the game either. I bought it at release, and the game ran flawlessly. I just found the game boring, and the combat system not conducive to groups. However, a lot of work has gone into this game and it might be worth playing now, but I'll never know since I'm not going to pay premium prices for a game that's already lost my business once and hasn't convinced me to part with my money again. If they gave a veteran trial or something, like SOE does with Vanguard every January, then I'd give it a shot.

Originally posted by Filterheadz

Originally posted by nate1980

Originally posted by Filterheadz

 

I purchased this game (trial) about 6 days ago and subscribed  5 days ago (only the first 20 levels of the game was worth the purchase) and tbh i am only getting like 4-5h of sleep per day ( i am currently unemployed ) and the rest goes out to aoc (i am lvl 63 hox already so if anyone says this game has ANYKIND of grind then by my all means stop playing mmos :) ).

 

Think about what you just wrote there and ask yourself if that makes any kind of sense. Are you trying to tell everyone here that in all of these bad reviews, that their only complaint was game performance and lag? I recommend rereading those bad reviews, and think about the point of views those reviewers had and the state of the game at the time of those reviews. Then maybe you can respond with something that doesn't sound so...well...stupid?

 

Dude , i am not trying to implement anything by what i said , i am just telling u and everyone else reading this , that i am enjoying the game and i love it.

It's really as simple as that .

I am not a reviewer and don't have the experience to go in a mmo debate whit u and most of the people reading these forums aren't either , some are just looking for a good fun game but that does not mean that a few sentences well spoken can't make a person realize that this is actually a good game , detailed or not...

Just like Wizardry said , the only thing that this game is lacking at the moment is people , the rest is amazing.

And yes in my own personal opinion i still think that most of the bad reviews for this game came from people who couldn't fully enjoy the game due to it's high performance needs.

Give the game a go and u will not be disappointed and guess what ,  it will cost u nothing !

www.ageofconan.com/trial

 

 

You say it yourself, you don't have a lot of experience with MMO's. Perhaps that might be the reason.

Age of Conan broke with a couple of established rules. One the biggest is the skills and how you use them. In most traditional MMO's (EQ/WoW/Lotro) you have a selection of skills, each with their own countdown and their own effect. Each class has their own selection giving each class their own role in a group.

Some people complain that this system is little more then button pressing as you stand still. These are VERY bad players. A good player know to be in the right position at the right time and use the right skill at the right time, rather then hit whatever isn't on cooldown. Do you use the big heal now, or save it. Do I force agro on me now or can I handle it?

AoC changed this. To get more of a twitch feel it has skills, but you got to hit 4 buttons for it. sure sure, there is more to it, but the skills themselves were.... well... boring. Do damage. 

In a group, everyone just spams their attacks with all skills mostly just doing that. There is little to no tactics involved.

Now, there is a group of players that HATES the EQ skill system and they might well feel that AoC finally gives them some different.

But a LOT of players want those tactics in their fight. To them the endless button mashing that AoC asks is just... well boring.

AoC gave me a very busy fight but I was never challenged in the game. I never had to think. Group combat was even worse. Healing a complete bore.

If you like beat-em-ups, then AoC might be for you, but for those raised on EQ, AoC just ain't it. 

I don't know about everyone else but I know I will only pay 1 month recurring and never do multi months just because you never know what's going to happen. I have played many MMO's a couple of them I played for more then a year but never ever did a multi month sub. Now I agree that a lowering of a monthly fee would be much nicer rather then a discount on a package deal.