Wait...can't I enjoy breasts without being a pervert?

Originally posted by bill4747

Wait...can't I enjoy breasts without being a pervert?

Well, that's nice, although random people weaving around their "male parts" will force me to ALT+Tab a lot.

So just have topless; a bare male chest should not blind you if you happen to see it.

I wonder if men hang out their balls, too. Doh.

I guess it's good to finally see that women aren't the only ones being objectified?

Then again, if death in PvP means someone can literally take your underwear off of you, I'd definitely roll a male... just because none of the male gankers would run off with my whiteys if it means they have to get a camera-full of maleness.

Originally posted by bill4747

So just have topless; a bare male chest should not blind you if you happen to see it.

Nor should a penis . . . just goes to show how much humanity needs to mature.

Originally posted by streea

I guess it's good to finally see that women aren't the only ones being objectified?

Then again, if death in PvP means someone can literally take your underwear off of you, I'd definitely roll a male... just because none of the male gankers would run off with my whiteys if it means they have to get a camera-full of maleness.

Hehe, good answer. I can already see the new trend: run into PVP with naked male chars to irritate the enemy. :D

Awesome screenies. I hope the game develops nicely and we get a good game to play with.

After all the complaints I saw with AoC with men oogling over the breasts in that game, and the complaints by women that there should be some penises in that game. I think its refreshing to see a developer with the balls (so to speak) to actually make a game with both genitals in it. So what next for MO, nude emotes?

"Dammit, i got ganked and they took my +3 boxers!!"

Originally posted by ninjajucer

After all the complaints I saw with AoC with men oogling over the breasts in that game, and the complaints by women that there should be some penises in that game. I think its refreshing to see a developer with the balls (so to speak) to actually make a game with both genitals in it. So what next for MO, nude emotes?

well since it's developed on the Unreal Engine... why not Unreal Tournaments good old  'pelvic thrust' emote?

I can't see what the fuss is about. The way parts of the human anatomy are portrayed in computer games is only going to get increasingly realistic and the novelty factor is already gone.

I don't think it's a wise move to include representations of reproductive organs (i.e. penis and vagina) as this infringes the sense of modesty common to all civilised societies and takes the game into the realms of pornographic material.

Potentially sexual but non-reproductive body parts (breasts, backsides, legs, etc) I have no issue with. I'm not going to condemn a game because someone going through puberty gets all silly about part of it - we all had to start somewhere, lest the more pretentious 'mature' people forget. Nor am I going to deny my instincts and say there isn't anything alluring about the female form just to satisfy the PC crowd and a bunch of insecure men/women.

The game features breasts, so do 50% of the population... move on.

Aryas

Originally posted by Aryas

I can't see what the fuss is about. The way parts of the human anatomy are portrayed in computer games is only going to get increasingly realistic and the novelty factor is already gone.

I don't think it's a wise move to include representations of reproductive organs (i.e. penis and vagina) as this infringes the sense of modesty common to all civilised societies and takes the game into the realms of pornographic material.

Potentially sexual but non-reproductive body parts (breasts, backsides, legs, etc) I have no issue with. I'm not going to condemn a game because someone going through puberty gets all silly about part of it - we all had to start somewhere, lest the more pretentious 'mature' people forget. Nor am I going to deny my instincts and say there isn't anything alluring about the female form just to satisfy the PC crowd and a bunch of insecure men/women.

The game features breasts, so do 50% of the population... move on.

Aryas

Agreed, on the other hand, the important moment in a young man/boy's of seeing a vagoo for the first time, with the feeling of utter joy 'WOOOOO!' would be lost into history :s

Originally posted by Aryas

I can't see what the fuss is about. The way parts of the human anatomy are portrayed in computer games is only going to get increasingly realistic and the novelty factor is already gone.

I don't think it's a wise move to include representations of reproductive organs (i.e. penis and vagina) as this infringes the sense of modesty common to all civilised societies and takes the game into the realms of pornographic material.

Potentially sexual but non-reproductive body parts (breasts, backsides, legs, etc) I have no issue with. I'm not going to condemn a game because someone going through puberty gets all silly about part of it - we all had to start somewhere, lest the more pretentious 'mature' people forget. Nor am I going to deny my instincts and say there isn't anything alluring about the female form just to satisfy the PC crowd and a bunch of insecure men/women.

The game features breasts, so do 50% of the population... move on.

Aryas

I disagree about the so-called 'sense of modesty'. What is so unnatural about our reproductive organs? Modesty is just getting plain old stupid these days. I can imagine fifty years from now how the 'moral pillars' of our society, hypocritical religious figures, have distorted our sense of reality so much that even our household pets will be clothed. Looking at all the moronic people who dress their dogs up, we are already heading in that direction.

However, I do not want to see breasts or vaginas/penises being flashed in my MMO of choice. I'm a grown man, I've seen my share of nudity and still continue to enjoy the naked human form in the right circumstances. Yet, I do not want to see some teen-controlled character teabag me with accurately modeled testicles after defeating my character in PvP. There is a place for everything, I do not think nudity has a part in MMOs, at least not for player controlled characters.

Originally posted by streea

I guess it's good to finally see that women aren't the only ones being objectified?

Objectified? Seriously?

graphics are finally not that good :/

Showing nudity they make sure they'll finally sell some game boxes? :p

I wonder if the different races will have different size parts...

Are they fully animated, or do they just hang there like a sad sack?

Gives new meaning to backstab?

Originally posted by Saerain

Originally posted by streea

I guess it's good to finally see that women aren't the only ones being objectified?

 Objectified? Seriously?

Yes, seriously. And I'm sure you can argue "both sexes have been objectified plenty before in MMOs with tight/revealing outfits," but the fact is that games have been comfortable with the "top-down" with women approach for a very long time to draw in players. It's good to see that a company is finally treating nudity as it should be... 100% equal on both fronts. Thus, turning both sexes into nude objects that are meant to rope in people (or at least drum up extra attention).

In a perfect world the addition of ultra realism to a game would be welcomed. However, this is far from a perfect world, and the maturity level of the average MMO player has fallen drastically since the release of Warcraft. I envision entire guilds of preteens running around with fits of the giggles as they harass players in cities with their E-Penis.

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Originally posted by Locklain

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Originally posted by bill4747

So just have topless; a bare male chest should not blind you if you happen to see it.

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Nor should a penis . . . just goes to show how much humanity needs to mature.

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Agree! Come on people it's 2009 alredy! Does it scare you that much?

Like a previous poster mentioned already, tea-bagging will take on a whole new meaning now.

I didn't really pay a lot of attention to the nudity.

Quick question, can anyone name the Care Bear that makes an appearance in more than one screen shot?

Bonus points for knowing the number of screen shots it shows up in.

No cheating, okay? 

Oh man, I never thought MO would actually look so... mediocre. I know it's still unfinished but it really looks like a low quality release. Adding some nudity on top of it... Phew, glad I didn't pre-purchase the game after seeing the one, cool looking video.

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Originally posted by Aryas
I can't see what the fuss is about. The way parts of the human anatomy are portrayed in computer games is only going to get increasingly realistic and the novelty factor is already gone.
I don't think it's a wise move to include representations of reproductive organs (i.e. penis and vagina) as this infringes the sense of modesty common to all civilised societies and takes the game into the realms of pornographic material.
Potentially sexual but non-reproductive body parts (breasts, backsides, legs, etc) I have no issue with. I'm not going to condemn a game because someone going through puberty gets all silly about part of it - we all had to start somewhere, lest the more pretentious 'mature' people forget. Nor am I going to deny my instincts and say there isn't anything alluring about the female form just to satisfy the PC crowd and a bunch of insecure men/women.
The game features breasts, so do 50% of the population... move on.
Aryas

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Strongly disagree with "the sense of modesty common to all civilised societies" just because a majority of idiots do a thing doesn't make it sane or reasonable. I give these people credit for bringing a new level of realism to their game (they have been trying to be realistic with their world, this is perfectly in line with that).

I have no idea if this game will ever see release, or how long it'll last after that fact, it'll be interesting to follow the continued development if nothing else. At the least I do give them great credit for doing it their own way (world graphics look really good too, and the armor you can see in some of those screen shots), this is definitely at the least NOT a WoW clone.....

Originally posted by neoterrar

I wonder if the different races will have different size parts...

Oh man...that made me lol just thinking about it....I was just picturing old school Everquest races running around naked with race-appropriate parts....lol

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Originally posted by Mortemia
Oh man, I never thought MO would actually look so... mediocre. I know it's still unfinished but it really looks like a low quality release. Adding some nudity on top of it... Phew, glad I didn't pre-purchase the game after seeing the one, cool looking video.

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Should -NEVER- pre-purchase, it's what's helped make so many crappy games out there, this habit people have of doing that. -Make- them produce a good, polished complete product!

As much as i like seeing naked women, i don't really wanna play fantasy porno online.

I think this is great and only adds to the realism, sucks that so many people out there can't handle someone not wearing clothes without throwing out pervert or feeling sickened by it. They are human models, we have all seen the stuff before. Get over it.

 Did anyone else see that scary-ass teddy bear hiding in the grain sacks?

Originally posted by Hrothmund

Originally posted by Aryas

I can't see what the fuss is about. The way parts of the human anatomy are portrayed in computer games is only going to get increasingly realistic and the novelty factor is already gone.

I don't think it's a wise move to include representations of reproductive organs (i.e. penis and vagina) as this infringes the sense of modesty common to all civilised societies and takes the game into the realms of pornographic material.

Potentially sexual but non-reproductive body parts (breasts, backsides, legs, etc) I have no issue with. I'm not going to condemn a game because someone going through puberty gets all silly about part of it - we all had to start somewhere, lest the more pretentious 'mature' people forget. Nor am I going to deny my instincts and say there isn't anything alluring about the female form just to satisfy the PC crowd and a bunch of insecure men/women.

The game features breasts, so do 50% of the population... move on.

Aryas

 

I disagree about the so-called 'sense of modesty'. What is so unnatural about our reproductive organs? Modesty is just getting plain old stupid these days. I can imagine fifty years from now how the 'moral pillars' of our society, hypocritical religious figures, have distorted our sense of reality so much that even our household pets will be clothed. Looking at all the moronic people who dress their dogs up, we are already heading in that direction.

However, I do not want to see breasts or vaginas/penises being flashed in my MMO of choice. I'm a grown man, I've seen my share of nudity and still continue to enjoy the naked human form in the right circumstances. Yet, I do not want to see some teen-controlled character teabag me with accurately modeled testicles after defeating my character in PvP. There is a place for everything, I do not think nudity has a part in MMOs, at least not for player controlled characters.

Ok, you force my hand.

No, there is nothing unnatural about reproductive organs... or rape, murder, incest, protitution, infanticide, genocide - shall I go on? What's natural or unnatural is irrelevant.

Humanity and civilization distinguishes itself by being 'super-natural'; controlling it's own nature and environment, managing desires, drives and behaviours for the greater good. Not acting on instinct is exactly what separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom.

Modesty in ascending/advanced societies restates the sanctity and importance of genitalia and their role in reproduction. This teaches the members of such societies to value and respect the reproductive process as critical to the quality of their social environment and success as a group. A blasé attitude towards reproduction results in the 3rd world and ghettos.

Aryas

Originally posted by streea

I guess it's good to finally see that women aren't the only ones being objectified?

Then again, if death in PvP means someone can literally take your underwear off of you, I'd definitely roll a male... just because none of the male gankers would run off with my whiteys if it means they have to get a camera-full of maleness.

LOL! I would have to agree that I would roll male in that case to!

So that's the easy innovation that all the other MMO's have been missing all these years... PUBES AND PENIS'S!

Ummmm? No! Please gods no! the things that the 13 year olds emote are bad enough now, letting them actually show it is not a good thing. Case in point, Second Life.

Although one has to wonder do they use the same wang waggling technology that was used in "Watchmen"?

 Screens look nice as always but still dont see the point in the full nudity. Not a prude at all just dont see the purpose is all. 

Originally posted by parrotpholk

 Screens look nice as always but still dont see the point in the full nudity. Not a prude at all just dont see the purpose is all. 

I'm with you on this one, I just can't see what value it adds to a fantasy MMO at all.

All that time spent lovingly crafting penises that could have been spent on other much more worthwhile things.

I have to say that what I took away from these screenshots was disappointment concerning the quality of the graphics.

Sadly, the pics from the alpha led me to believe it would look a little better than this. It would be interesting to know if this was the maximum quality, or if it was something less. At the very least, they need to add the foliage (perhaps a few well-placed fig leaves?). The textures really aren't doing it for me....

I don't know how the end graphics of the game are going to be but ppl don't judge the game by beta pictures especially considering you can't change the graphics setting as of yet and they haven't allowed us to see how the models are at full. Also they have not put speedtree 5.0 into the game yet which will make it look a lot better.

Unless you can disable nudity in the game, I'll have no part of MO for sure. I have kids and I don't want them walking in to see these types of thing in my "game". It doesn't make sense to be there in the first place, so it's a deal breaker for me.

You had to know that someone would try it.  Again it is a MMO, there is no way for the producers to prevent the 12 year old from playing the game and acting out his silly fantasies making a fool out of himself.

Just another reason why this game will implode on release.  This game is not hardcore, it is stupidcore.

I sure hope the penis has realistic flopping action.

Originally posted by apocalance

Unless you can disable nudity in the game, I'll have no part of MO for sure. I have kids and I don't want them walking in to see these types of thing in my "game". It doesn't make sense to be there in the first place, so it's a deal breaker for me.

Tits are bad for them, right? But blood and gore is ok i guess?

Originally posted by Securion

Originally posted by apocalance

Unless you can disable nudity in the game, I'll have no part of MO for sure. I have kids and I don't want them walking in to see these types of thing in my "game". It doesn't make sense to be there in the first place, so it's a deal breaker for me.

Tits are bad for them, right? But blood and gore is ok i guess?

Of course it's bad for them! The nude body is an ugly, horrible and scary thing - unlike murdering animals and wiping out entire races because you don't see eye to eye with them.

MO stands for "Mature Only" now it seems... and those who aren't mature enough to understand that nudity ISN'T worse than killing people are more than welcome to not play. (To be honest, it's best you don't come as even if you get over the nudity issue, I'm sure people will find some way to simulate necrophilia after they've taken everything and left your dead character naked... all the more reason to yet again roll a male).

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Tits are bad for them, right? But blood and gore is ok i guess?

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Blood and gore is something you SHOULDN'T be doing in real life while sex is. So watching porn in video games is bad yes, while looking at blood & gore is fine.

Originally posted by scuubeedoo

 

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Tits are bad for them, right? But blood and gore is ok i guess?

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Blood and gore is something you SHOULDN'T be doing in real life while sex is. So watching porn in video games is bad yes, while looking at blood & gore is fine.
 

What? Firstly that logic is so flawed it's quite scary. Secondly, if that's your idea of porn you have lived a sheltered life and have some serious net filter software going on there.

Ooooh, nudity! I've seen better. Though its kind of refreshing that you can actually strip someone to their bare skin after you clobber them on the high road. Talk about the glorious life of banditry!

That said, devs have said there will be basic clothing readily available for the more chaste. Now, if only they flag naked people grey (so you can kill them in towns without guards intervening) everything will be just fine. As soon as someone tries to dance naked on a table or in the street, use them as a target practice dummy.

Graphically wise, I think the beta looks just fine. Expectations are just too high these days - that why we are constantly getting games which have spent 100 million $ on graphics and 500$ on actual content. Personally I am more excited by the sandbox concept of the game, reminds me of Ultima. Plus the vistas are just incredible... I don't remember seeing a mountain I actually wanted to climb just for kicks in a MMO.

Also, keep in minds that mega-crisp graphics and MMO's don't mix, unless you like slideshows as soon as you actually try to interact (read: beat the crap out of) with more than three other players. MO caters to the PvP crowd, and we usually turn things down to get smooth framerate anyway.

Originally posted by ManSh00ter

Graphically wise, I think the beta looks just fine. Expectations are just too high these days - that why we are constantly getting games which have spent 100 million $ on graphics and 500$ on actual content. Personally I am more excited by the sandbox concept of the game, reminds me of Ultima. Plus the vistas are just incredible... I don't remember seeing a mountain I actually wanted to climb just for kicks in a MMO.

Also, keep in minds that mega-crisp graphics and MMO's don't mix, unless you like slideshows as soon as you actually try to interact (read: beat the crap out of) with more than three other players. MO caters to the PvP crowd, and we usually turn things down to get smooth framerate anyway.

I don't think it's too much to ask for a game that looks and plays well. I always ran AoC on high, and had no problems with framerate (and my computer is definitely mid-range at this point). Do I think that AoC is a great game? Not necessarily. I'd say it's good in some areas, but poorly implemented in others. What it does show, however, is that an mmorpg can look awesome. It just needs to be handled correctly. It's time for some hugely rich, successful company to do it right (Blizzard, I'm looking at you...)

Originally posted by Ozmodan

You had to know that someone would try it.  Again it is a MMO, there is no way for the producers to prevent the 12 year old from playing the game and acting out his silly fantasies making a fool out of himself.

Just another reason why this game will implode on release.  This game is not hardcore, it is stupidcore.

How is it stupidcore, they are trying to make the game as realistic as possible and considering some of their races in the game nudity compliments that, indian tribes even now some wear barely anything and you can see tits on regular TV without an M rating or even R rating.

It's not the producers job to make sure a 12 year old doesn't play this game, its their parents.

Originally posted by Cacolaco

Originally posted by ManSh00ter

Graphically wise, I think the beta looks just fine. Expectations are just too high these days - that why we are constantly getting games which have spent 100 million $ on graphics and 500$ on actual content. Personally I am more excited by the sandbox concept of the game, reminds me of Ultima. Plus the vistas are just incredible... I don't remember seeing a mountain I actually wanted to climb just for kicks in a MMO.

Also, keep in minds that mega-crisp graphics and MMO's don't mix, unless you like slideshows as soon as you actually try to interact (read: beat the crap out of) with more than three other players. MO caters to the PvP crowd, and we usually turn things down to get smooth framerate anyway.

 

I don't think it's too much to ask for a game that looks and plays well. I always ran AoC on high, and had no problems with framerate (and my computer is definitely mid-range at this point). Do I think that AoC is a great game? Not necessarily. I'd say it's good in some areas, but poorly implemented in others. What it does show, however, is that an mmorpg can look awesome. It just needs to be handled correctly. It's time for some hugely rich, successful company to do it right (Blizzard, I'm looking at you...)

You will never get that from Blizzard, they have their own art style that basically limits them from making a game thats looks close to AoC. Their future MMO will probably be another cartoon.

Originally posted by mrw0lf

Originally posted by scuubeedoo

 

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Tits are bad for them, right? But blood and gore is ok i guess?

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Blood and gore is something you SHOULDN'T be doing in real life while sex is. So watching porn in video games is bad yes, while looking at blood & gore is fine.
 

 

What? Firstly that logic is so flawed it's quite scary. Secondly, if that's your idea of porn you have lived a sheltered life and have some serious net filter software going on there.

The logic is flawed and that is the point.  This is how society is now, sex and nudity is the devils work yet every time you turn on the news you see some guy beheaded in the streets or the gory scene of a mass murder.  Kids are aware how sexual activities work from the TV what they are not aware of are the repercussions.  The parents should be teaching them precautions instead of keeping it a dark secret.

I blame this whole stupid argument about "is Nudity right or not?" on Eve and her eating that damn apple.

People are taking the whole nudity totally out of proportion. Its not like people have an emote of /erection or something like that. This isn't sex sure some people will screw around with it and what not but the developer isn't designing it around sex. Even in WoW you find sex and its a fucking cartoon so I don't really get the arguement.

I personally would much rather show my children naked people than showing me decapitating someone. I mean comon I am pretty sure your kid has seen you naked more than once whats the problem with them seeing a naked computer model.

Two things that I would like to comment on:

1.  This whole immaturaty towards nudity is just rediculous.  I mean seriously, it seems the older people are the ones that are more immature about it than someone who's 16.  Also, this bullshit with, i have kids and i don't want them to walk in on me playing and there's boobs or penis on the screen is just the most retarded thing i have ever heard.  How about this, he walks in and you are chopping someone's fucking head off and blood splashes on your screen, you ok with him seeing that?  If not you shouldn't play MO in the first place cause that happens in the game as well.  Also, be a fucking parent and pay attention to your kids or lock the door instead of playing an MMO and letting your kids run freely around the house. 

You have 2 options as a parent, lock your fucking door and have you babies daddy or husband watch the kids while you play your game.  Is it really that hard to prevent a kid from seeing you play a computer game or is it that you're not fit enough to be a parent and maybe should have never had kids.

2.  The graphics of this game are just fine.  It's beta people and ealry beta at that, the graphics are set to lowest possible and the textures are not good atm.  They still have to add plenty of things and give us the option to turn up the graphics to make it look all pretty.  Now, the textures suck atm but at least look at the sky in the game, that won't change and the rest of the game will match up with how nice that look once all the options are in.

Regardless of where anyone stands on the nudity issue, I would place my money that MO will never release in the U.S. with full nudity.

Personally, the nudity in and of itself does not bother me. What would be annoying as hell would be the putzes that WILL antagonize any and everyone, just for their own jollies.

It is bad enough without full nudity in the games we have now.

Just saying...

Originally posted by Respit

Regardless of where anyone stands on the nudity issue, I would place my money that MO will never release in the U.S. with full nudity.

Personally, the nudity in and of itself does not bother me. What would be annoying as hell would be the putzes that WILL antagonize any and everyone, just for their own jollies.

It is bad enough without full nudity in the games we have now.

 

Just saying...

From my understanding of following this game is the game won't be released in stores anywhere. It will be all digital distribution.

Game has some nice graphics.  The nudity issue doesnt bother  me and I think a lot of people are getting shook up over nothing.  So while its optional I dont think you will see 200 naked toons in a group grope going on.  In fact, nudity in that time period is most likely more accurate  than some would like to believe.  Paganism was pretty much the order of the day in ancient times.

I predict epic t-bagging in this game's future.