The author of this article should transistion between talking about the space station better. Aside from that it was an interesting read, espicially about the nasa stuff, however, the stuff she has quoted from the guys that work at mindark is misleading and  not accurate. I'm not really surprised though.

I still have the hardest time believing that someone *has* 300k to spend like that. You'd have to be the son of an oil baron, movie star or politician, or perhaps a really savvy bank robber.

 Entropia is pretty much an MMO designed for the super wealthy. A cute thing for them to tool around in and throw money at. Basically, it's the dream land for all the RMT supporters, where money can play the game for you! Personally, all Entropia should be to everyone else is an indicator that if the person you're talking to says "Oh yeah I play that heavily" you should just walk away and forget they exist. 

Yup, this game when I tried it was very free player unfriendly.  You pretty much HAVE to put some money into it.

As a new free player, the only way to earn money was to gather sweat from animals with a sweat-gun (which doesn't hurt the animal but has a chance of aggroing it) and if the animal aggrod onto you you had to run away till it de-aggrod, because you had no way to actually fight the creature.  Once I had enough sweat saved up I bought the cheapest real gun I could find and like 20 bullets for it and tried to kill one of the creatures for xp and loot, but the gun was so cheap and weak that I used all my ammo on one creature without killing it and had to run off it's aggro.

Since it had taken me about 2 hours just to get enough sweat to buy the gun and ammo, there was no way I was gonna farm sweat for another several hours just to get more ammo to try again.  Un-installed the game and haven't gone back.  Maybe things have changed since then though.

...and you expected the combination of "free play", free real money" and "easy to get" to be something obtainable from a business that wishes to be successful?

I tried this game out, and as KualaBD mentioned, the only thing a newbie can do is harvest sweat. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

The only way I would ever play this game again is with some sort of bot program. And I believe botting is cheating in MMOs, so I guess that really means is "the only way I would ever play this game again is with some sort of NEVER."

yes 3rd party programs are not aloud.  They have now introduced a auto click system which works for all areas crafting and mining as well has the sweating.

I am a casual player in EU.  I only pay in what i am willing to lose. When i find teh game no longer entertaining then i will stop.  peopel waste more money on getting drunk .

the proplem with the game is that people enter the game thinking its gonna be an easy ride,  You have to work at the game and i know many people who never put money into the game, you just have to play smart and take your time. Once you are involved with societies you will find your self hooked on its strange way of life.

if you jump in with all guns blazing you will fail.  This is not a game that you lvl up in 1 month or even 1yr this game is open ended with all sorts of possiblities. Only the lack of imagination and determiantion to learn and create a way of life in EU will  you fail in this game.

Sad thing is, I cant play anymore since the upped the min requirements.

It is definitely an interesting setup for a game,and i saw some screen shots of the new engine and they looked great.

I mentioned this before,how can Entropia put out the effort to transform their game and Blizzard making millions more show no effort at all?I think it shows that this guy is more passionate about his game,outside of just making money.

Still to this day i think i do not fully understand Entropia,i did play it,but did not really get a grasp for the whole system and what i was suppose to accomplish.This could be the game's downfall,maybe some marketing posts to educate people on the game system.I would suggest a little at a time rather than the whole shebam at once,people like myself have ADS lol,seriously i think divulging a little at a time,helps to explain things better.Maybe a 5 part post here or something like that.

All i remember when i last played in the Entropia universe was killing sparse odd looking critters to try and collect sweat glands,that was the only way to make a living that i knew of.I am sure there is a lot more to the game than that.I think if my shotty memory serves me right,there was also a very limited naming system,i just can't remember exactly how it worked,i think your last name had to be chosen from a list?

It's a nice looking game but trying to figure out "mystical" mechanics will probably cost you a big chunk of $$$. Information on the mechanics, tips, and what makes the game tick are not discussed very openly. It's like the info is guarded, only a few people really know how the game works, and they aren't interested in sharing it. Combine this with item decay and you either have to be really lucky or know someone who knows a lot of insider info about the game to break even. Heavy on graphics card as well as your wallet.

hehe sorry to sound like a conspiracy theorist but I guess when money is involved people keep a tight lip on info that could hurt their earnings.

 has the new CryGen 2 graphics  out on the servers yet? I keep eeing everywhere that their working on it and that they have implemented it. The last time I played the game the graphics was grabage. They have been talking about this crygen 2 craft ffor over 2 to 3 yrs now.... I really hate the game... You gotta play the game with real money. I spent $20 one time and that lasted like 2 days. Guns cost money, ammo cost money, it cost money to repair every damn thing. it takes like 25ammo to kill something. IF you wanna mine you gotta pay for that.  Ohh well.. I say that the game isn't good at all. Maybe it would be better if the grpahics was good....

Originally posted by NetBlaise

 has the new CryGen 2 graphics  out on the servers yet? I keep eeing everywhere that their working on it and that they have implemented it. The last time I played the game the graphics was grabage. They have been talking about this crygen 2 craft ffor over 2 to 3 yrs now.... I really hate the game... You gotta play the game with real money. I spent $20 one time and that lasted like 2 days. Guns cost money, ammo cost money, it cost money to repair every damn thing. it takes like 25ammo to kill something. IF you wanna mine you gotta pay for that.  Ohh well.. I say that the game isn't good at all. Maybe it would be better if the grpahics was good....

The CE2 graphics have been in since August-September, but I don't find them to be that stellar. On another note good graphics don't make games better unless gameplay never mattered for you, which it seems it does. You don't have to play with real money. I never did. I don't play it now because everytime they updated something it was to milk players for more money so I quit, but I did want to check out the new graphics and I wasn't impressed.

 I haven't played a game yet where the graphics made me say Wow. We have all these new graphics cards out and really don't have any game that uses half of a video cards power. I may download Entropia again and see what the graphics look like. I just wish a Game Deveolper  would come out with a game that has out of this world graphics/gameplay/ and a never ending story.

Are you serious? The new graphics engine for this program requires a good deal of power that many of the regular playerbase's computers couldn't muster. I think you over estimate graphics cards' capabilities

Yoohoo!! Go EU!! Entropia is without a question the most beautiful MMORPG of our time and it will stay in that position for years. And those who wonder where did Buzz get 300k, ever heard of loans? Nice article!

Do we need another microtransaction MMO? Don't we have enough ways to pay to level as it is? As to it being SF, I applaud that, shame the revenue model is designed to milk every £/$ out of you.

i put 20 bucks into the game, and walked away with 230.

i put some low level crap on the broker, i accidentally overpriced it, and someone must've accidentally boought it.

i took the money out and im not going back :)

Its also the most boring 'game' ever devised.

Even if you did put some money in the only thing you can do that can be classed as a 'game' is shoot mobs and hope they drop something nice - add nauseum.

No quests, no mini games and is utterly utterly eye wateringly boring.

@pitt: nice move, lol ;)

Entropia is not as easy to learn as any other MMORPG, so players should not play it like this. If you loose ingame money in Entropia, you loose it in RL too. If someone plays any RCE game, he should be aware of this and put only as much money in, as he wants to loose.

But:

Entropia is the only game where I am allowed legally to sell my items and even my skills to any other player and get the money back. If you play stupid, you won't get back much, if you play smart, you will get back more, than you have put it. Of course it will not be enough to cancel your job, but it means: play smart and you play for free.

I know people who lost thousands of US$, but they don't care for that money in RL. I also know people who never depositted and have uber gear, simply because they worked hard in the game (and ofc not sweating for months as it will not bring you far).

My advice to new players is always:

Wait at least 1 week before you deposit. Do not buy ANYTHING until you found a mentor in game. (A mentor tells you where to find cheap stuff and doesn't want to sell you his things ;)). Then it is a lot fun. If someone tries to find his way in Entropia without the help of experienced players, he is definately doomed.

About me:

I am not a normal player, as I bought two shop for pretty much money, but they make enough profit, that I don't need to deposit again for playing.

Originally posted by sadeyx

Its also the most boring 'game' ever devised.

Even if you did put some money in the only thing you can do that can be classed as a 'game' is shoot mobs and hope they drop something nice - add nauseum.

No quests, no mini games and is utterly utterly eye wateringly boring.

And this will not changed. Reason:

Mini games and quests need to be added all the time, but after a year, they are boring anyway. Find x items, bring to y person (maybe with some more links), but in the end it's the same anyway. There is a reason why players tend to stop to play MMORPGs after a year. There is a reason why you have to buy expansion packs in MMORPGs and then it gets boring again.

Entropia is not a normal MMORPG, if you meet people in game, you realize that most of them play it since years and don't plan to stop. It's totally different but it needs people with different mindset too. If I meet someone in game who likes WoW, I know, that he won't be happy with Entropia.

I am not bashing WoW, I am just trying to say: you can't compare these games.

Originally posted by Smoerble

Originally posted by sadeyx

Its also the most boring 'game' ever devised.

Even if you did put some money in the only thing you can do that can be classed as a 'game' is shoot mobs and hope they drop something nice - add nauseum.

No quests, no mini games and is utterly utterly eye wateringly boring.

 

And this will not changed. Reason:

Mini games and quests need to be added all the time, but after a year, they are boring anyway. Find x items, bring to y person (maybe with some more links), but in the end it's the same anyway. There is a reason why players tend to stop to play MMORPGs after a year. There is a reason why you have to buy expansion packs in MMORPGs and then it gets boring again.

Entropia is not a normal MMORPG, if you meet people in game, you realize that most of them play it since years and don't plan to stop. It's totally different but it needs people with different mindset too. If I meet someone in game who likes WoW, I know, that he won't be happy with Entropia.

I am not bashing WoW, I am just trying to say: you can't compare these games.

No you cant compare WoW and Entropia because WoW cost 15 bucks every MONTH and Entropia can cost 15 bucks an HOUR. Ofcourse it all depends on what you hunt. But if you play this game you better be ready to lose the money you put in.

This game is still one of the bigger scams on the net.  Basically playing this game is gambling.  If you don't put in an ante you basically get nowhere.

I don't know why MMORPG continues to cover this despicable game.

Given that everything in this game is done with "real money", and that the developers (Mindark) have to make a profit, the only way it CAN work is if the average player spends more than they take out of the game.

For the average player, it's pretty much a casino full of slotmachines. All activities cost money, but there is always a chance that you can hit a random loot drop that pays big. Whether it be hunting mobs, mining minerals or crafting, the lure of a "big payout" is always there. And the more money you spend on an activity, the bigger the random drops are.

To allow one player to get a big payout, a lot of other players have to put money in the "pot". The money has to come from somewhere, and that "somewhere" is the players' wallets.

The game encourages you to go for the jackpot payouts, of course. There is a continuous feed of messages to inform you of which players have "hit the big one". Perhaps if you just pay a few more dollars to be able to carry on hunting/mining/crafting for the next 15 minutes you can also get lucky...

As with any gambling game, there will be plenty of people who will be eager to tell you how much they won, or how they played clever and beat the system. The thousands of other players that walked away with a loss will not be lining-up to tell you how easily they were suckered, or for how much.

I reckon that if you are careful, moderately intelligent and prepared to invest $1000 or so in your first year, you could probably work out a system whereby you could continue to play for free indefinitely. You will have enough skills and know-how by that stage to soak up the money spent by the never ending stream of clueless newbies that try the game, overspend and give up playing 3 or 6 months later... :)

mindark should just charge a monthly fee(a la wow)and let the game market play it self!the way mindark work right now they are killing the idea before it even picked up.but then since its all about money they would have to forgo big revenu for smaller one they probably dont want that so their gamwe concept is awsome but the way mindark try to make money isnt so it will die by it self

or the other planet will do the good call and make a ton while mindark own planet scape by or they ll find a skeem to empty pocket of others

the only light in their concept might be the other planet if other planet are good game even if they charge 5 $ a month to play if then the game maker stay neutral it could pick up big time .if an item drop every 10 foe then a game maker like mindark decide to up the degradation rate or lower the drop rate of said item only one benefit from those move its mindark

and mindark would gain lot more costumer by going neutral instead of doing what they do now!thats my 2 cent!

This would be the worst game ever if they added a monthly fee.. that would be like playing poker were you cant raise over 1$...

But with most gambling there is always a way to play smart so that you can get those extra % in your favor. Those exists in EU aswell so you just have to hunt smart (e.g not using p4-p5 on atroxs thats like going all out with 7, 2...) and pick a good mob (maybe someone that drops weapons/amor worth 200+%?)

Anyway Im having a hard time to lose money in this game guess thats all that matters for me :D

I recently decided to try the free play version of EU.  I cant even validate my user name on the account appliction to create an account.  I have played around 15-20 different mmos. I know exactly how to setup an accounts. Should be easy right? wrong. So i emailed mindark about the issue no reply yet of course.  They are too busy watching viral videos and playing there own mmos at work like most tech support.

Then i acually I went to launch the game client which came up in windowed mode.  I clicked create an account and upon minimizing the game client i got a ginormous error. An error for simply minimizing a windowed game? Lame lame lame. Very dissapointed. And i am increasingly getting dissapointed with shotty, crappy, poorly built games such as this with very to little tech support.

Well theres my experience with EU and im going to uninstall before i even play it.

Just pathetic.

 Entropia is not just a game is also an adventure and a business at the same time. But the good think is that it is whatever you want to make out of it. The mistake most people do and what dissapoints them most of the time is that they come in the game with the mirage that is free and that they could make money of it. Nothing less true. Even though is possible to hit the jackpot this should not become a scope per se otherwise you're not different than an addicted gambler who loses his fortune at La Vegas. Game is free but you need to pay in order to buy and maintain things and tools. This is the game's mechanic and you better like it or leave it otherwise. With other games you pay subscription, here is just different.

Entropia is fairly different than other games also in terms of character evolution as it doesn't have levels and the only way you can get experience in any domain (and there are lots) is by doing those things. There are no quests or missions others than the ones you set for yourself. The graphics after the Cry2 upgrade are super cool. You can see your character's shadow moving opposite the light source as you run, you have moving clouds, moons, wind and beautiful landscapes and the best part is that you can continuousely move where ever you want in any direction without being limited to maps, realms or whatever they might be called. You can go from one coast to the other in one single (long though) trip and you will not see anything repeating. It is trully the only game that really feels as one single Universe running on one server more than even in EVE where you still need to go through Jump Gates from one place to the other. Not in Entropia though, here is one hell of a journey only that you are on foot!

Try it and be smart.

Nice walk and running and hunting.

Originally posted by NetBlaise

 I haven't played a game yet where the graphics made me say Wow. We have all these new graphics cards out and really don't have any game that uses half of a video cards power. I may download Entropia again and see what the graphics look like. I just wish a Game Deveolper  would come out with a game that has out of this world graphics/gameplay/ and a never ending story.

FFXIV is attempting it.They will have the graphics and the story,but game play i don't know,will have to wait and see.Square usually delivers solid game play,nothing easy,always challenging,this time around however they were aiming for detail and casual,so might be a flop.

As to the screen shots i saw,Entropia's new engine had some nice looks.

This "game" needs to die to be honest.
It's a ponzi scheme. That's all there is. It's a ponzi scheme mixed with gambling games, wrapped into a 3d engine to look like a game.

Every single mechanic in Entropia consists of gambling with money. You put some money into the mining one armed bandit, wait, and hope for a win. If not, you sink more and more coins into it hoping for the jackpot.
The same is true for hunting animals. You invest money into it, every try at the loot slot machine costs money. If you're lucky, you win something. Usually you lose.

What's even more terrible however, is that rewards are balanced in the same way as electronic slot machines work. No, you winning is never random. It's carefully calculated, and chances increase and decrease as you play to keep you in the game. If you're statistically close to quitting, it will throw a few meaningless rewards at you.

I love entropia. It's a great MMORPG, infact i would venture to say it is the only truly great sandbox MMORPG in existance - it actually feels like a living, breathing virtual world where players can shape almost every aspect of it however they see fit, depending on how determined they are.

To the bloke who claims you'll need 15 dollars an hour to play entropia; you are an idiot. I was self sustainable within my first month with a 50 dollar investment - that was a year ago. If anything you'll need less money to play than traditional subscription fee static world games, if you play smart that is.

I'll agree, the game is hard to get your head around; but this is a good thing. The level of freedom is such that you are just overwhelmed at the beginning. My advice tho, is to search out some good tutorials (like any other game) and study them, decide what you want achieved and go for it.
 

Originally posted by two2litres

I love entropia. It's a great MMORPG, infact i would venture to say it is the only truly great sandbox MMORPG in existance - it actually feels like a living, breathing virtual world where players can shape almost every aspect of it however they see fit, depending on how determined they are.

To the bloke who claims you'll need 15 dollars an hour to play entropia; you are an idiot. I was self sustainable within my first month with a 50 dollar investment - that was a year ago. If anything you'll need less money to play than traditional subscription fee static world games, if you play smart that is.

I'll agree, the game is hard to get your head around; but this is a good thing. The level of freedom is such that you are just overwhelmed at the beginning. My advice tho, is to search out some good tutorials (like any other game) and study them, decide what you want achieved and go for it.
 

What complete nonsense, just another come on to get you to lose your money.  Anyone touting this game has one interest for others to inject money into this game.  Only fools listen to them.

Danger, Will Robinson, danger. Spam detected!

Originally posted by two2litres

I love entropia. It's a great MMORPG, infact i would venture to say it is the only truly great sandbox MMORPG in existance - it actually feels like a living, breathing virtual world where players can shape almost every aspect of it however they see fit, depending on how determined they are.

To the bloke who claims you'll need 15 dollars an hour to play entropia; you are an idiot. I was self sustainable within my first month with a 50 dollar investment - that was a year ago. If anything you'll need less money to play than traditional subscription fee static world games, if you play smart that is.

I'll agree, the game is hard to get your head around; but this is a good thing. The level of freedom is such that you are just overwhelmed at the beginning. My advice tho, is to search out some good tutorials (like any other game) and study them, decide what you want achieved and go for it.
 

Your the idiot,  you dont get far on 50 dollars. Hardly even any gear atleast. And if you think you need less money than other subgames then your definetly a moron and should not be posting at all until you got facts. You can play the game for free also.

Just log in and stand in a town and chat, that way it dont cost you anything, haha.

I been playing Entropia since 2003 and I know what I am talking about and you DONT. Back in the day 50 dollars would be ok to play with. But now you lose almost 50 % of what you put into every hunt. So do dont come here and say I am the idiot because you obviously dont know what the hell youre talking about. Or youre just a Mindark employee that is trying to make people start playing the game.

30 dollars is what I hunt for when I used to hunt, and I 95 % of the times lost over 50 % of that money.  So Iike I said before dont start playing this game unless you prepared to lose money.

Well I am sorry to say but in that case you are part of those that help other break even or profit. Like me. I've been playing this game for over 3 year now. I only deposited 10$ (and I didn't need those either it was to verify my credit card). I worked pretty hard but I can sustain myself almost every hunt round or mining trip. That means I break even or profit slightly at least. If you want to play this game free you have to be smart. If you want to make a profit, you got to be smarter and make a small investment. If you want to make a living, you got to be very smart and make a big investment (over 30k dollars). There are a lot of people (I personally know) that  make  A LIVING out of this game. Yes, they play EU to put food on their table, or in Neverdie's case, to get a house or a brand new Hummer or smth like that. Why do u think The Buzz paid 330k dollars on a land area ? Because he is rich ? No he isn't that rich IRL I think but he is smart and he knows he will get his money back. In fact, everyone knows he'll recoup in 1-2 years and then make a good living out of this game.

Pozny scheme ? Yes, for those that don't know what to hunt or what gear to use or spend money on stupid unnecessary items.  And to you all there that whine that you loose 50% on a hunt ! THANK YOU ALL ! Those 50% go to MA and people like me, witch play smart. Of course if everyone would play smart, no one would win. MA has to profit so we would ALL loose. But we need guys like you (and we have a lot), that spend and deposit all the time and don't know a thing about the game.

Originally posted by ALEXAROTH

Well I am sorry to say but in that case you are part of those that help other break even or profit. Like me. I've been playing this game for over 3 year now. I only deposited 10$ (and I didn't need those either it was to verify my credit card). I worked pretty hard but I can sustain myself almost every hunt round or mining trip. That means I break even or profit slightly at least. If you want to play this game free you have to be smart. If you want to make a profit, you got to be smarter and make a small investment. If you want to make a living, you got to be very smart and make a big investment (over 30k dollars). There are a lot of people (I personally know) that  make  A LIVING out of this game. Yes, they play EU to put food on their table, or in Neverdie's case, to get a house or a brand new Hummer or smth like that. Why do u think The Buzz paid 330k dollars on a land area ? Because he is rich ? No he isn't that rich IRL I think but he is smart and he knows he will get his money back. In fact, everyone knows he'll recoup in 1-2 years and then make a good living out of this game.

 

Pozny scheme ? Yes, for those that don't know what to hunt or what gear to use or spend money on stupid unnecessary items.  And to you all there that whine that you loose 50% on a hunt ! THANK YOU ALL ! Those 50% go to MA and people like me, witch play smart. Of course if everyone would play smart, no one would win. MA has to profit so we would ALL loose. But we need guys like you (and we have a lot), that spend and deposit all the time and don't know a thing about the game.

 

 

Hilarious the I'm making my first post guy comes to "debunk" what the real people of the forums have to say.  The game is a virtual casino where the house always wins and if you are REALLY lucky you might hit on something once in a while.  I don't buy you play for free that is total b.s.  Every person that actually plays the game will tell you you can't play for free and like the guy above you said just dropping 50 in isn't going to be enough.  The game is a Casino where the house changes the drop rates to suit there profit needs(and they have btw many times)  To those considering the game don't bother unless you were there 5 years ago you will not be making money and unless you get lucky you most likely will be spending alot of money just to maintain basic stuff.

Well I am sorry that you don't believe me that I can assure you that everything I said in my post is true. I DO play free (and even make a profit), I DID deposit only 10$ , but I also DID worked hard. There is even a guide on the forum (http://www.entropiaforum.com/forums/1945826-post90.html) made by one of the best hunters out there. With that guide you can play for 15$ a month but in a short period of time, you will sustain yourself and not have to deposit again. Plus what you will own and your skills will value more than what you have put in. And you can also find a lot of threads of people that followed that guide and report with a lot of details and acuracy their journey in this game. 90% of them are now self sustained and do not deposit anymore.

Originally posted by SpottyGekko

Given that everything in this game is done with "real money", and that the developers (Mindark) have to make a profit, the only way it CAN work is if the average player spends more than they take out of the game.

For the average player, it's pretty much a casino full of slotmachines. All activities cost money, but there is always a chance that you can hit a random loot drop that pays big. Whether it be hunting mobs, mining minerals or crafting, the lure of a "big payout" is always there. And the more money you spend on an activity, the bigger the random drops are.

To allow one player to get a big payout, a lot of other players have to put money in the "pot". The money has to come from somewhere, and that "somewhere" is the players' wallets.

The game encourages you to go for the jackpot payouts, of course. There is a continuous feed of messages to inform you of which players have "hit the big one". Perhaps if you just pay a few more dollars to be able to carry on hunting/mining/crafting for the next 15 minutes you can also get lucky...

As with any gambling game, there will be plenty of people who will be eager to tell you how much they won, or how they played clever and beat the system. The thousands of other players that walked away with a loss will not be lining-up to tell you how easily they were suckered, or for how much.

I reckon that if you are careful, moderately intelligent and prepared to invest $1000 or so in your first year, you could probably work out a system whereby you could continue to play for free indefinitely. You will have enough skills and know-how by that stage to soak up the money spent by the never ending stream of clueless newbies that try the game, overspend and give up playing 3 or 6 months later... :)

 

IMO, This is the best description of the game, and I played for 2 1/2 years. The problem I have is when the game was in development the claims were that there would be a  viable economy, where people could choose their professions and actually generate income of real money as the character became highly skilled. Obviously this never occured, even after considerable leveling of skills.  I was a very careful  approaching gameplay with educated understanding of the weapons I used,  and the Mobs that I hunted. I also was in a guild that knew how to farm difficult mobs by trapping them. So with the inflation that caused  my weapons to appreciated greatly. I probably broke even in the end. So I find it very hard to believe anyone could make money without an exploit, or  insider information.

So to stay on the Topic regarding the new graphics engine. All they did was remodel the casino floor

Originally posted by ALEXAROTH

Well I am sorry that you don't believe me that I can assure you that everything I said in my post is true. I DO play free (and even make a profit), I DID deposit only 10$ , but I also DID worked hard. There is even a guide on the forum (http://www.entropiaforum.com/forums/1945826-post90.html) made by one of the best hunters out there. With that guide you can play for 15$ a month but in a short period of time, you will sustain yourself and not have to deposit again. Plus what you will own and your skills will value more than what you have put in. And you can also find a lot of threads of people that followed that guide and report with a lot of details and acuracy their journey in this game. 90% of them are now self sustained and do not deposit anymore.

Youre full of shit, and I never believe a guy that has 2 posts. Looks more like an employee to mindark or something else. If you deposited only 10 $ then its a miracle which happends one time of every millenia and it sure will not happend to the people that youre trying to recruit by selling dreams.  So to all the people thinking of starting this game put hope aside and turn to logic insted.

"All they did was remodel the casino floor"

There is an ironic symbolism in that statement. :)

This is sad indeed. It just shows your mental limitations. Remember the game has a real cash economy ? and the only standard way of making money is by gathering sweat and selling it to other players. Ok you are following me till now ? good. So I did not deposit when I begun (those 10 dollars were after 1 year, when I did not needed them anyway).  So I sweated and sold that to other players. I made @ 50-60 PED (5-6 dollars). THEN I started trading. Yes, what u seem to not understand is that trading in a real cash economy world makes... real money duhh. So I traded a whole summer, buy from people on the street and sell to those that needed but did not had the time to buy themselves. I made my first hundreds of $ this way, witch allowed me to trade a bit every day and also hunt. So what I lost while hunting I gained in trading profits. Until the jackpot hit (it does hit you if you keep hunting eventually) : a 10000 Ped loot at a mob I hunted 5-6 months or so. Trading was then over. I had enough capital to keep hunting that mob in a way in witch I could sustain myself on the long run (of course I won't tell how, that's the secret hehe). That was 1-2 years ago. since then I kept hunting and I reached my level ( a pretty good one I might say, comparing spending vs possible returns in case of a cash out.

I am not a MA employee, having other smart asses like you in game would just create me more lag.

Originally posted by ALEXAROTH

This is sad indeed. It just shows your mental limitations. Remember the game has a real cash economy ? and the only standard way of making money is by gathering sweat and selling it to other players. Ok you are following me till now ? good. So I did not deposit when I begun (those 10 dollars were after 1 year, when I did not needed them anyway).  So I sweated and sold that to other players. I made @ 50-60 PED (5-6 dollars). THEN I started trading. Yes, what u seem to not understand is that trading in a real cash economy world makes... real money duhh. So I traded a whole summer, buy from people on the street and sell to those that needed but did not had the time to buy themselves. I made my first hundreds of $ this way, witch allowed me to trade a bit every day and also hunt. So what I lost while hunting I gained in trading profits. Until the jackpot hit (it does hit you if you keep hunting eventually) : a 10000 Ped loot at a mob I hunted 5-6 months or so. Trading was then over. I had enough capital to keep hunting that mob in a way in witch I could sustain myself on the long run (of course I won't tell how, that's the secret hehe). That was 1-2 years ago. since then I kept hunting and I reached my level ( a pretty good one I might say, comparing spending vs possible returns in case of a cash out.

I am not a MA employee, having other smart asses like you in game would just create me more lag.

And you dont think that sweaters like you that do everything from free and dont deposit money dont make the game lag? Please go get your thinking cap and use some logic. I was in the game formerly known as Project Entropia when you where in diapers kiddo.

And to the looks of it the game is a sinking ship right now, because the economy is going to shits. So please go and play the game! And if you wanna make money you get 500 % more money by just collecting thin cans 1 day a week. And the game atm is more like this "Its a blackjack game where the dealer decides who wins and who loses". So be my guest and have fun. Mindark and FPC really screwed up a good game beyond repair this time.

Originally posted by Scot

"All they did was remodel the casino floor"

There is an ironic symbolism in that statement. :)

Yes they sure did, but this time the can decide who wins and who loses on top of that.

Most interesting.

I only played it for a couple of hours in the first months of release when it was called Project Entropia and quit because of ginormous rubberbanding issues. Like many others I didn't understand what the game was about and didn't find any goal with playing.

From this thread I understand that it is indeed designed as a casino and it seems everyone agrees that it's all about making money. The players who understand the game fully accept and appreciate that.

I think it is a lot better than a scam but they should probably be more open about it.

I don't understand why ppl flame so hard against each other. Maybe the haters didn't play careful and lost a ton of €uro, but if so, they won't tell us.

From my impression, most people play with the same amount of money, they would pay as a subscription fee in other MMORPGs, and imo this is the only way, a normal player would go. I had some free cash and decided, not to put all in shares at the bank, but also try something in Entropia. But the money was taken as if it's sahres: no guarantee, 100% might get lost.

It's not necessary to do that, not many people run active shops like me in Entropia. But it's definately wrong, that you can't go far with 50 US$.

As someone has written above: if someone plays stupid (and I am not talking about bad luck!), then he looses more than avarage. If someone plays clever, he pays less than avarage or might even at no costs.

That's the idea of "avarage": stupid people pay too much, clever people pay less.

And before I had my shops, I was able to play months with 50 US$, but I wasn't greedy, lol :D

I just started playing this game 2 weeks ago, and honestly its an amazing game.   A true sandbox MMO.   The game is 100% free to play, but as in reality you get the type of experience you pay for.   While FTP is viable, and you can eventually do very well, youre likely to spend the first couple of months simply sweating and trading.

Dont get me wrong.  After those 3-4 months of doing this one task you will have an excellent set of skills suitable for a very brilliant career in mindforce!   However, you will probably also be bored out of your mind!

I adopted a more aggressive path of depositing early and diligently hunting and using my resources to their fullest extent.   Will I succeed?  I dont know!   But its an adventure, a fun one that my girlfriend and other friends are looking to join me on or have already, emulating my philosophy and approach to entropia due to the scope of things I have experienced early on in the game.

Is it for everyone?  No.  The game is honestly difficult.   EU however is the game to play if you are looking for a challenge that both appeals to your gaming side and your entrepreneurial side!

Cheers,

Graphics are average at best.

Cost to play is far too high.

Economic model of a casino ponzi hybrid.

Everything you do (craft, mine, hunt, color etc) is all a gamble - you put up your ante, click... and pray!

To put the cost in perspective (this is optimistic prices too);

remember, (L) means it breaks and cannot be repaired - you have to buy a new one, including markup, everytime it breaks.

Basic Low/Mid level hunting gear:

HL400 (L) [pistol] - 177PED @ 120%(markup) = 212.4PED / $21.24
Ghost [armor] - 348PED + 400PED (markup) = 748PED / $74.80
T20 (L) [healpack] -  57.9 @ 120% = 69.48PED/$6.95
A104 [dmg amplifier] - 40PED + 160PED (markup) = 200PED / $20
Ammunition = 300PED / $30

TOTAL BASIC COST = 1529.88PED = $152.99 USD

This is just low/mid level!

When you start dealing in mid/high level (not even near uber level) you're looking at $1k-10k USD just to kit yourself. THEN you have on-going expenses such as repairs, replenishing ammo, so on and so forth.

Basically, the whole game mechanic is based on a casino, but you'd need to actually play EU to know what I mean.

I play EU, but not because I like it, rather, because I want my damn money back! (and I have a fair amount of gear/skills). Plus I think I'm addicted, much like a gambler at the one armed bandits.

Entropians (other than me) will try and sugar coat shit and call it a donut, but we all know damn well that it's a casino. That's why noone congratulates condition crafters for their big loots, everyone says "good LUCK" and noone can ever be sure of anything.
Even investing in property such as land, shops, houses has recently been shown to be a hugely risky venture as Mindark change anything to do with anything when and where they see fit, which ultimately, could turn your big money investment into a virtual paper weight.

If I could go back and stop myself installing Entropia, I'd do it in a heart beat!

Entropia - Madoff would be proud!

Originally posted by dar_es_balat

I just started playing this game 2 weeks ago, and honestly its an amazing game.   A true sandbox MMO.   The game is 100% free to play, but as in reality you get the type of experience you pay for.   While FTP is viable, and you can eventually do very well, youre likely to spend the first couple of months simply sweating and trading.

Dont get me wrong.  After those 3-4 months of doing this one task you will have an excellent set of skills suitable for a very brilliant career in mindforce!   However, you will probably also be bored out of your mind!

I adopted a more aggressive path of depositing early and diligently hunting and using my resources to their fullest extent.   Will I succeed?  I dont know!   But its an adventure, a fun one that my girlfriend and other friends are looking to join me on or have already, emulating my philosophy and approach to entropia due to the scope of things I have experienced early on in the game.

Is it for everyone?  No.  The game is honestly difficult.   EU however is the game to play if you are looking for a challenge that both appeals to your gaming side and your entrepreneurial side!

Cheers,

There is a group called Gamblers Anonymous you should get to know them, they might be able to help you....

Later adopters of MMOs often feel disenfranchised or unable to get into the mainstream of things because earlier adopters have progressed to the top end and in crafting or hunting, dominate the market. Not so in Entropia.

you guys should do some research before posting stuff like this, because the exact contrary is the truth.

they changed the skillgain mechanics few years ago, so that it's impossible to catch up to the so called "vets", who run around with profession skills at 100 or evader 80 etc.

if someone invested the same amount of time and money like they did, he'd not be even close to them, with the current skill mechanics.  so it's actually worse than in other MMOs.

Originally posted by patrikd23

No you cant compare WoW and Entropia because WoW cost 15 bucks every MONTH and Entropia can cost 15 bucks an HOUR. Ofcourse it all depends on what you hunt. But if you play this game you better be ready to lose the money you put in.

You know what you (us) all ppl who are online in mmorpgs? We make friends there. You know what I mean. Now what do you do when you get bored of the game that has monthly fee. You quit. And there goes your friends too. You have to pay just to have chance to talk to them (unless you happened to get their IM adress).

Just played 1 month WoW again, got bored (again), and last day I really liked to send some last messages to friends there. When I log in the system tells me I have less than 2 minutes No exceptions. No way around. But to pay for one month more. I even have to pay for one month to just to post on forums. Screw that.

In Entropia I can log in anytime anywhere without paying anything and have a talk with my friends. (And actually I can do some activities there too without paying a dime. Nothing serious gaming of course). I do that occasionally even if I happen to be actively playing some other mmorpg presently.

This makes the world truly persistent. I never forget I have this second life (hehe) lying there, even if I'm currently not playing.

I can remember playing Project Entropia and gathering sweat for hours...  Only to get a used crappy gun and fail at hunting immediately.

I wouldn't mind giving it a shot with 20$ or something.  Looks pretty.

Originally posted by aesbestos

I can remember playing Project Entropia and gathering sweat for hours...  Only to get a used crappy gun and fail at hunting immediately.

 

I wouldn't mind giving it a shot with 20$ or something.  Looks pretty.

Hehe, yes economically this 'game' can be absolutely horrible sometimes. Last 2 weeks I have constantly lost about 100ped/day, that is 10USD/day lol. I can stomach that just because I got a very precious blueprint while crafting 2 weeks ago.. but now I must have a break or I will be broke in VERY soon. Its bad times for me obviously. See you in autumn :)