I was just wondering if Ultima X has any intendtions of puttin in a full PK server? I know it has dueling and other PvP looks to it but that just compare to a server being dedicated to PvP.
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there has been a ton of discussion on this topic on the stratics boards and Cal's replies have been a consistent "not that we're planning on"........in other words, no. Hope this helps ya out.
Ultima...full pk server.....LOL
lets remember UO was the all time sell out of the MMO world, it would be great but it aint happening in this life time. 
I think that the dev team pays a great deal of attention to pvp chatter. Of course it's all about giving those a choice that don't wish to partake in it. Which pvp servers do grant, but I for one am more for the idea of mixing the two together on the same server.
I like the idea of safe zones and pvp zones all on the same server. Gives me a chance to play both playstyles whenever I wish to without having to work on two seperate characters. It also gives me a chance to play with my friends on a non pvp zone without having to go through the hassle of relogging, etc... I find it hard to comprehend why some people can't handle zones, they are more or less seperate servers... They just allow you to play them all with the same character if you wish.
Pvp does not fit into the goals of the game. I.e virtues and ascension. Dueling is lvled and is a fair battle between two people. GvG is also a fair battle between 2 evenly matched guilds .
As I have said it has everything a pvp wants but nothing a griefer wants .
But where do those random people that want to pvp go for a fair battle in numbers? They completely left that group out of the loop. It's like you have to be guilded in this game if you ever want to participate in group pvp, and you have to make sure that your guild even likes to pvp to begin with before you join them. We shouldn't have to descriminate between guilds that like pvp and guilds that don't. Just doesn't seem right in my opinion.
Originally posted by gljvd
Pvp does not fit into the goals of the game. I.e virtues and ascension. Dueling is lvled and is a fair battle between two people. GvG is also a fair battle between 2 evenly matched guilds .
As I have said it has everything a pvp wants but nothing a griefer wants .
There is no descrimination between guilds at all.......I don't understand where you get that idea. You shouldn't join a guild that doesn't like to play the same way that you do anyway. Why would you waste your time hanging around with people that you don't have anything in common with? If you're looking for a guild that likes the GvG aspect of the game, trust me, there will be plenty out there.
If you're a solo player that happens to like group warfare, well, sorry, but you're going to have to join a guild for that. And again I'm confused, if you prefer solo play, why the interest in group PvP?
I know arxon from another forum . I wonder why he doesn't have his anti carebear sig in this forum .
People just want ways to gank . He doesn't want a system where you can group up (up to 8 can group i believe) and then challenge another group to pvp on equal teams of semi random people (you need to find and group them) but he wants open zones where 20 people cna gang up on 2 or 3 people and gank them . He also doesn't like the death system in this game. He feels that item loss or corpse looting is needed . It fits right into a ganker's mentality .
Originally posted by crzybrtndr
There is no descrimination between guilds at all.......I don't understand where you get that idea. You shouldn't join a guild that doesn't like to play the same way that you do anyway. Why would you waste your time hanging around with people that you don't have anything in common with? If you're looking for a guild that likes the GvG aspect of the game, trust me, there will be plenty out there.
If you're a solo player that happens to like group warfare, well, sorry, but you're going to have to join a guild for that. And again I'm confused, if you prefer solo play, why the interest in group PvP?
In all my time playing UO, there is one thing that I've learned. And that's that nobody plays exactly like you. You try to find the guild that is the most fun to be in. Usually this will be a guild with a lot of members considering how active those guilds often are. But then you have to find out which groups like to pvp, and which groups like to pve. And you have to find a guild that has both of these types of members. Sure I'm sure they'll be out there, but no one is saying that they'll accept me, or that I'll even get along with the members. Not to mention all of the other guilds that would just be out of the question because they don't offer such a diverse playerbase.
As for solo players that like group pvp, it's not very uncommon. Not everyone wants to be in a guild, and not everyone gets to join the same guild as all of their friends because many of their friends could be in various other guilds. The idea that you can't pvp with your friends because you are in different guilds is very unfair. It shouldn't be too hard of a fix to allow anyone to form their own teams regardless of guild association...
And jvd, yes there should be item loss upon death, otherwise why would you care if you died or not? I've already told you that if they were to implement zones I wouldn't want loss of any kind in pvp, for griefing reasons, but when it comes to pve yes there needs to be something to risk when taking on the deadliest of creatures. Without risk, everyone gains, and when everyone gains, the economy is long gone...
then why can't there just be pvp in groups. Just like dueling. two equal groups challenging each other to pvp. IF all you want is a way to pvp in groups of strangers that should be enough. Yet you want open zones. SOmething doesn't wash with that .
Originally posted by gljvd
I know arxon from another forum . I wonder why he doesn't have his anti carebear sig in this forum .
Yes, I'm well aware as well who Arxon and you, gljvd, are. I follow all UXO forums and go under a few different names although I haven't posted on UXOO in quite some time, I've spent most of my time in the UXO Stratics forums........not saying they're better or worse, just saying that's where I've been.
Now, on to the point 
...........
Arxon you say that you learned in UO that noone ever plays exactly the same way that you do, well no, they don't........because they aren't you. But it is very possible to find guilds who share the same core beliefs that you do and that should be why you join them. I played UO as well for a long time and spent 3 years in the same guild once I found one that had people of like mind in it. Besides, even if you don't find one that's already made, I'm sure you had to have had some people that you hung out with that you could have easily formed your own guild...........
Secondly, it's time that all people who are crying out for open pvp just accept the fact that it's not going to happen at release. If, sometime in the future, the devs decide to implement it, then it will probably be in the form of a separate server or something like the Fel/Tram system of UO. I wouldn't count on them turning it into the pure free for all that is Shadowbane and that was the UO of old. It did nothing but cause problems and a loss of players. Now, I'm not saying that you're one of the jack ass griefers who loved to prey on other players who were minding their own business, I'm just saying that those type of people are not going to get the chance to repeat that behavior in UXO.
The PvP system is already set how it's going to be for the release of the game, accept it or not, like it or not, it's the way it is.
Originally posted by gljvd
then why can't there just be pvp in groups. Just like dueling. two equal groups challenging each other to pvp. IF all you want is a way to pvp in groups of strangers that should be enough. Yet you want open zones. SOmething doesn't wash with that .
It would be enough. But I'd want more. I don't really see the downside to zones. Gankers aren't a threat really. If they kill you just rez and move on. If they try to repeatively kill you, just rez somewhere else. If you're not intelligent enough to know if they will attack you once you rez, then you don't deserve to be in the zone to begin with. It's all a matter of common sense really. If you have it you'll do fine and enjoy yourself, if you don't, then try not to get in anyone elses way.
Listen, Arxon, you need to understand that the devs are looking to create a game whose basic point is to have fun. To about 80% of the people out there, if not more, getting PK'd is NOT fun...........
You really need to realize that you are in the minority, not the majority of playstyles. Now please quit the complaining and let's not turn this into one big To PvP or not to PvP board like UXOO has become. UXO will NOT have zones, they will NOT have PK servers, and they WILL NOT in any way, shape, or form cater to those who wish to randomly attack people whenever they wish. It's time to get that through your head already.
If open PvP is really that big of a deal to you in a game, the you're looking into the wrong game. Might I suggest trying Shadowbane or heading over to the Realms of Torment boards and checking out that game? The point is that there are other games coming out that will offer open PvP, UXO is not the only one that is soon to be released you know. If you're that unhappy with the consentual PvP feature of UXO, then by all means, move your interest on to another game, but if it's something that you can live with because the rest of the game is that good to you, then drop the subject already and move on to more constructive things rather than repeating yourself on a million different posts on a million different boards.
Originally posted by crzybrtndr
Listen, Arxon, you need to understand that the devs are looking to create a game whose basic point is to have fun. To about 80% of the people out there, if not more, getting PK'd is NOT fun...........
You really need to realize that you are in the minority, not the majority of playstyles. Now please quit the complaining and let's not turn this into one big To PvP or not to PvP board like UXOO has become. UXO will NOT have zones, they will NOT have PK servers, and they WILL NOT in any way, shape, or form cater to those who wish to randomly attack people whenever they wish. It's time to get that through your head already.
If open PvP is really that big of a deal to you in a game, the you're looking into the wrong game. Might I suggest trying Shadowbane or heading over to the Realms of Torment boards and checking out that game? The point is that there are other games coming out that will offer open PvP, UXO is not the only one that is soon to be released you know. If you're that unhappy with the consentual PvP feature of UXO, then by all means, move your interest on to another game, but if it's something that you can live with because the rest of the game is that good to you, then drop the subject already and move on to more constructive things rather than repeating yourself on a million different posts on a million different boards.
I agree. Nicely written.
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"UXO will NOT have zones"
Uxo is made up of zones actually.
and stop saying whats going to happen and whats not going to happen. Im all for a PvP server. Just because its a minority doesnt mean it should be excluded.
"the(n) ( you missed the n ) you're looking into the wrong game. Might I suggest trying Shadowbane or heading over to the Realms of Torment boards and checking out that game?"
Stop telling people where to go. your not a DEV, they might just include a full PvP server.
Arxon, Im all for it buddy, and im sure many others are. Just because they dont hang out on the boards doesnt mean they do not exist.
I wish PvE buffs would stop telling people that we arent important.
I'm sure to make a full PvP server that EA/Origin would make more money if they dont make one.
Why just cater to your kind, when all they need to do is setup one server that will cater to many.
Many old UO players PvP'd alot and that game had an initially large player base. Ive read posts where there has been 100 people demand a PvP server.
Even if its only 500 people on the server, than thats 13.00 x 500 a month.
6500 dollars. Thats not exactly bad. Im sure there would be more than that though.
You also shouldnt speak for everyone:
"To about 80% of the people out there, if not more, getting PK'd is NOT fun..........."
That isnt a valid statistic, you might not think it's fun. Then thats okay, go kill your monsters on a different server. A server is a simple mean of seperation. So if i were EA/Origin for the price of a server , they should put one up. Would be the smartest thing to do.
I think your getting the wrong message about PK'ing. The thrill of PvP is all concerning an intelligent bout. If you die its not the end of the world, its a game. It just seems its people like you who take it too far, and thinks its the end of the world if someone can defeat your character. Then you might bring up griefers and gankers. They arent part of PvP, they exist? sure. so the solution ? deal with it instead of crying. Go out and get some friends, and gank them back. Its like if you get ganked you have a nervous break down and cant comprehend it, so you cry until something is done about it. Just gotta stay focused, its all a bit of fun.
Anyways. The main point is that no one has the right to demean anyones playstyle, and that Origin should give equal consideration to the 2 sides of the peoples.
UXO will not have zones
Sorry, should have been they will not have open PvP zones, my fault for not being more specific there.
Stop telling people where to go. your not a DEV, they might just include a full PvP server.
Sorry, not at release they won't.
I wish PVE buffs would stop telling people we aren't important.
Not once did I ever say that PKers were not important, nor did I ever say I was a PvE buff. You're entitled to your playstyle as much as I am entitled to mine. What you are not entitled to is to make the decision to PvP for me which is what open PvP servers do.
Many old UO players PvP'd alot and that game had an initially large player base.
Initially being the key word in that statement. A lot of people got tired of someone else ruining their game play and left the game or moved to Trammel when that was introduced. Also, then please explain to me why Fel is pretty much a ghost town now if open PvP is so highly sought after?
I think you're getting the wrong message about PK'ing. The thrill of PvP is all concerning an intelligent bout.......etc.
I know exactly what you mean there, and I agree with you to a certain extent. I have never said that I am against PvP, quite the opposite. What I have said is that open PvP draws in the griefer crowd and those are the people I'm against. I actually enjoy PvP whether I won or lost.......I never cried when I lost because I am fully aware that it is just a game. My question to all of you who are shouting so loudly for a full open PvP server and claim that it's just because you want the challenge of fighting a real person is this: What is so wrong with having to ask that person to duel you?
You still get the challenge of combating another real person, the only thing you don't get is the element of surprise. It is the most fair and the best test of your skill that you could actually get. By fighting someone who is prepared for it, you are getting their full attention and effort. So what exactly is the problem with it? This is the question that has been asked of the advocates for open PvP and the one that has yet to be answered by them. Enlighten us "PvE buffs" please.
Why is it so bad to ask ? becuase no one will accept. it's totally unrealistic. If the odds are not in equal favour noone will accept a duel. It never happens in EQ, why in UXO ?
and but putting in 1 PvP server. it doesnt force you to play on it? so you can play on a normal server.
Its no different than RP servers.
Its just a server, not a big deal.
also asking permisson to duel is just stupid, you dont ask if you can fight someone . doesnt make sense. if you want to fight a person you just fight them
Originally posted by Alden120
Why is it so bad to ask ? becuase no one will accept. it's totally unrealistic. If the odds are not in equal favour noone will accept a duel. It never happens in EQ, why in UXO ?
and but putting in 1 PvP server. it doesnt force you to play on it? so you can play on a normal server.
Its no different than RP servers.
Its just a server, not a big deal.
also asking permisson to duel is just stupid, you dont ask if you can fight someone . doesnt make sense. if you want to fight a person you just fight them
Point 1 of your post: I think there will be more people will to accept the challenges than you give credit to. Most of us aren't as opposed to PvP as you think we are, what we're opposed to is being ganked.
Point 2: I have no problems with putting in a separate server or something like the Fel/Tram implementation in UO, nor do I think anyone else would. We've just said that the devs themselves have already stated time and again that it will not happen at release.
Point 3: You don't ask someone to fight, you just fight them if you want to??? Again, what gives you the right to dictate how that other person has to play at that time? Do they not pay their monthly fee just like you? Why should that person not have a say in what they're going to do? Duels were considered a sport in the timeframe that UXO is going to be set in, a quite honorable one at that. Even when someone challenged another person to a duel to settle a difference, they did it honorably. By not asking then you are lowering yourself to the actions of common highwayman or ruffian. This is not the point of UXO, we're all supposed to be heroes and following the virtues. Blindsiding someone for no good reason other than you felt like it at the time is not virtuous nor heroic.
[quote]Stop telling people where to go. your not a DEV, they might just include a full PvP server.
Sorry, not at release they won't[/quote]
No one is asking for it to be in the release, but as easy as it would be to implement, there wouldn't be any reason why they couldn't do it if they had a little spare time.
[quote]I wish PVE buffs would stop telling people we aren't important.
Not once did I ever say that PKers were not important, nor did I ever say I was a PvE buff. You're entitled to your playstyle as much as I am entitled to mine. What you are not entitled to is to make the decision to PvP for me which is what open PvP servers do.[/quote]
No one is telling you to play in pvp zones. You can if you wish, or you can play in a dungeon, or you can sit in a town, or you can do hundreds of other things that aren't pvp related. That is the convienience of zones, you can take breaks whenever you please, and play any part of the game that's available to everyone. I'm not asking for them to take away dueling or gvg either. I happen to like those systems a lot and know that they will come in handy at times. Such as maybe you lose in a group pvp battle because your team sucks. So you challenge the best player in their group to a 1v1 duel to prove that you are a worthy opponent.
[quote]You still get the challenge of combating another real person, the only thing you don't get is the element of surprise. It is the most fair and the best test of your skill that you could actually get. By fighting someone who is prepared for it, you are getting their full attention and effort. So what exactly is the problem with it? This is the question that has been asked of the advocates for open PvP and the one that has yet to be answered by them. Enlighten us "PvE buffs" please.[/quote]
I have answered this in many different ways. I guess the most important answer would simply be that some people like to take on more than one person. I mean you don't go into a zone to fight 1v1. Especially when dueling is already an available pvp system. You go into zones for a feeling of "real time" combat with multiple participants. You don't ever really suprise anyone in a pvp zone when you attack, because that's what they are there for, to be attacked. I don't really care if someone wants to try to grief there or not, cause the fact is, it's 10 times harder to grief in a pvp zone than it would ever be in the rest of the game. If you grief in a pvp zone then you're just looking to get yourself stomped on. And death, who cares about death in a pvp zone? You go there to die, many times. It's the victories that make it worth it.
Sure, ya'll can say that it doesn't follow the storyline, or whatever, but I don't see it that way. I feel that people that pvp are only try'n to better themselves in the art of combat. Practice makes perfect, and going up against a foe as strong as the guardian, we are going to need a lot of practice.
Originally posted by Arxon
Sure, ya'll can say that it doesn't follow the storyline, or whatever, but I don't see it that way. I feel that people that pvp are only try'n to better themselves in the art of combat. Practice makes perfect, and going up against a foe as strong as the guardian, we are going to need a lot of practice.
Again, that would be why the dueling and the GvG.....it's for practice and it's a nice change of scenery and it fits in with the lore because it's for entertainment/sporting purposes only. The devs have said themselves, that, at this time they are not wanting to implement roleplaying "evil" characters. PvPers and nonPvPers alike all know that if you put in open PvP, the griefers will come in droves. I'm not saying that all PvPers are griefers. Not by any means, so please, don't assume or take that as what I'm saying.
If by zones you mean a duplicate map of the land, such as Fel is to Tram, or a completely separate server for open PvP only, then I have yet to hear one person say that they have a problem with that. If you mean a specific area on the main map that everyone else, PvPer or non, is playing on then I think it will be more trouble than it's worth. Not in the coding, but in many players saying "Well, I want to go there too, but I don't want to be attacked." Sounds silly, but we all know it would happen. It will also open a door for another form of griefing and that is tricking people, not sure exactly how it could be done since we haven't played the game yet, into that area for the sole purpose of being a jerk and killing them.
So, to sum up my thoughts:
1. Separate full on PvP servers or a Fel/Tram type thing are ok by pretty much everyone.
2. Adding any form of open PvP into the general population will do nothing but bring in the griefer crowd and cause problems.
* forgot to add that the reason for teleporting to a private zone for duels/GvG in UXO is so that there can be no outside interference. I.E. Player A is losing so he /tells his buddy to come help him kick Player B's arse.
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