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Posts: 444 Joined: 9/13/11
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JimmyYO
 
 

So I need an actual fantasy/medival RPG that doesn't suck. You would think that would be easy given how many were made but I'm convinced not a single decent one exists. Here's what I've played and why they're terrible/not my cup of tea now:

EQ1- Everyone dual boxes or solo's, gets less fantasy with each expansion. SoE overgreed

EQ2- Horrible gameplay, too spammy, mostly a bad WoW clone

WoW- Liked vanilla, themepark got too strong over time, not even an RPG anymore imo

GW2- Slightly improved WoW with no player interaction, looking for more PvE and groups

NWN2- Online servers too laggy, not enough players

Vanguard- Devs don't care about the game= dead game, perfect game for RP but not embraced

Warhammer- Too laggy, bad WoW copy version #2384731

DAOC- Just made me want to play EQ

Runescape- Way too simple

SWTOR- Bad WoW copy #1218384

Tera- Game lacks direction and feels more like zoomed in Diablo then an MMO

Rift- Again, no themeparks especially WoW copies

DDO- EQ1 is more D&D then this game, complete trash from a D&D standpoint. Prefer worlds not hubs

Aion/Ragnarok/Maple Story/Korean etc.- can't stand the emphasis on solo grinds, if you're gonna make me grind at least do it in a group. Also prefer fantasy/medival settings

 

Any good RPG's left? Has to have at least EQ1 graphics and grouping must matter. PvP not needed but doesn't hurt either. I'm not a Sci Fi fan at all just personal preference there.

Posts: 3136 Joined: 11/15/09
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Robokapp 

i hit ctrl-F and searched for "eve". i found it once in "even" and once in "everyone".

 

not once in "eve online".

Posts: 6938 Joined: 11/21/11
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ShakyMo 
Try the TSW free trial

Best pve going imo, although I am mainly a pvper.

Give it time, seems solo friendly at first, but you need to group for outdoor pve later

It doesn't have raids, but.. the dungeons ate Rock hard compared to say wow and gw2
Posts: 13 Joined: 9/05/12
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Krystalmyth 

Wow I just joined this forum and I'm done with it. I have never seen so much whining.

You just ended your own damn thread. MMOs are not for you. Not yet. That's really all there is to say. Everything else is fluff because nobody is going to change your mind or point out some super amazing MMO you haven't heard of.

Posts: 6938 Joined: 11/21/11
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ShakyMo 
Although its not medieval fantasy its 21st century fantasy obviously.

For something more sandbox, try darkfall, but beware the rampant PKing
Posts: 3684 Joined: 11/18/04
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VirusDancer 

Part of the issue that you will run into with proclaiming games as WoW clones is that hardly anything was original in WoW.  So, you're going to be facing issues in regard to that being very vague.  What particular features of WoW do you not like - how do you feel that other games have utilized those same features, etc, etc, etc...

I definitely preferred WoW back in Vanilla.  I never liked EQ - never bothered with EQ2.  GW/GW2 never crossed my radar.  DAoC was a joke compared to what was offered at the time from other games, imo - I know others call it the best game ever - folks are entitled to their opinions - I'm not trying to say they're wrong and there is no point in them trying to say I'm wrong.  It's funny how you have to add that disclaimer for DAoC more than you do for any other game...ahem, where was I?  WAR felt like a partial game.  SWTOR wasn't worth the box price.  Tera...er...I remember somebody mentioning it, but I couldn't tell you the first thing about it since I'm not sure that I've ever been less interested in a game (I have no idea why this is the case, it's kind of funny in thinking about it).  DDO is DDO - not sure why the D&D part is in there...probably not alone with that.  RIFT was actually pretty nifty at the start - but uh - well - hrmmm - it was like WoW on meth.  Wait, how can I say that after my opening paragraph?  Well, sure - RIFT had all sorts of new and interesting things - but in the end it was still a blink and you're at endgame nonsense that WoW became.  There, I elaborated.  By the way, how are you enjoying this wall of text?

No game was as good as we remember them - many games are worse than we remember them - even the games we hate (funny how that works out)...

...as mentioned, it's entirely possible that the MMORPG genre is no longer a genre we should consider.  Of course, that basically leaves us without any games, eh?  Yes, it's very depressing - if you're the type to get depressed about things like that.

The overall market has changed - so - the games being developed have changed to reflect that market.  That also means that games that were a certain way have also changed.  It's where the money is (speaking of which, that gets into all the nonsense with F2P/P2W/RMT - etc, etc, etc.  Hey, it would be fine if you were playing a crappy lil' game on your smartphone - but c'mon, I'm looking for immersion - I'm not looking for ads suggesting that I buy something so I can do something.  Oh, that's a little out of left field, eh?

So, after all this ramble - what's the best suggestion I have?

In the end, it's not really the game.  You can take a decent group of RPGers and drop them into any game and they will be fine.  So find the RPG folks and you will have your game.  If the RPG aspect is the important part, that's pretty straightforward, eh?

If it's actually something else, which appears to be the case based on the complaints, well - then you're screwed...

Posts: 3943 Joined: 7/28/06
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Wolfenpride 
Originally posted by JimmyYO

 

Any good RPG's left? Has to have at least EQ1 graphics and grouping must matter. PvP not needed but doesn't hurt either. I'm not a Sci Fi fan at all just personal preference there.

FFXI maybe. Beyond that, it looks like you've played every noteworthy group oriented game I can think of right now.

...I do feel like i'm forgetting something though. If it comes to mind i'll edit this later.

edit: Oh derp. Ryzom is pretty group oriented, but it has a small playerbase. I'd have recommended City of Heroes as well if not for the shutdown. 

Posts: 8160 Joined: 7/26/03
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Nadia 
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Try the TSW free trial

Best pve going imo, although I am mainly a pvper.

Give it time, seems solo friendly at first, but you need to group for outdoor pve later

It doesn't have raids, but.. the dungeons ate Rock hard compared to say wow and gw2

id recommend trying Age of Conan too - the 1st 20 levels is fun and they have improved the game

Posts: 3136 Joined: 11/15/09
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Robokapp 
Originally posted by VirusDancer

Part of the issue that you will run into with proclaiming games as WoW clones is that hardly anything was original in WoW.  So, you're going to be facing issues in regard to that being very vague.  What particular features of WoW do you not like - how do you feel that other games have utilized those same features, etc, etc, etc...

I feel OP's problem isn't that it's similar to WoW but that he has played it before...in WoW. If he passed on it in WoW, he'll pass on it elsewhere as well. Does it matter where it came from? he experienced it. Maybe not at the source but he experienced it somewhere.

 

I know every RTS is basically a Dune 2 clone. I did play Dune 2. But very briefly. so I'd relate a new RTS to a game like Red Alert which I played extensively. Simply because i experienced the core RTS features there more than at the original source.

Posts: 12 Joined: 8/01/11
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tidycatt666 
NeverWinter, OtherLand, both look good. ofcourse they havnt started cb yet. but, soon.
Posts: 659 Joined: 1/02/08
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Jemcrystal 

You are in the same boat as the rest of us.

 

I'm waiting for ArcheAge, Elderscrolls Online, and Otherland to come out.

Posts: 1240 Joined: 5/29/09
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Dewm 
Originally posted by JimmyYO

So I need an actual fantasy/medival RPG that doesn't suck. You would think that would be easy given how many were made but I'm convinced not a single decent one exists. Here's what I've played and why they're terrible/not my cup of tea now:

EQ1- Everyone dual boxes or solo's, gets less fantasy with each expansion. SoE overgreed

EQ2- Horrible gameplay, too spammy, mostly a bad WoW clone

WoW- Liked vanilla, themepark got too strong over time, not even an RPG anymore imo

GW2- Slightly improved WoW with no player interaction, looking for more PvE and groups

NWN2- Online servers too laggy, not enough players

Vanguard- Devs don't care about the game= dead game, perfect game for RP but not embraced

Warhammer- Too laggy, bad WoW copy version #2384731

DAOC- Just made me want to play EQ

Runescape- Way too simple

SWTOR- Bad WoW copy #1218384

Tera- Game lacks direction and feels more like zoomed in Diablo then an MMO

Rift- Again, no themeparks especially WoW copies

DDO- EQ1 is more D&D then this game, complete trash from a D&D standpoint. Prefer worlds not hubs

Aion/Ragnarok/Maple Story/Korean etc.- can't stand the emphasis on solo grinds, if you're gonna make me grind at least do it in a group. Also prefer fantasy/medival settings

 

Any good RPG's left? Has to have at least EQ1 graphics and grouping must matter. PvP not needed but doesn't hurt either. I'm not a Sci Fi fan at all just personal preference there.

 

I like how Warhammer has a higher "WoW copy" number then SWTOR...even though SWTOR is newer. 

Posts: 444 Joined: 9/13/11
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JimmyYO
 
 
Originally posted by Jemcrystal

You are in the same boat as the rest of us.

 

I'm waiting for ArcheAge, Elderscrolls Online, and Otherland to come out.

Yeah I figured as much, was just hoping there was some gem I missed. Oh yeah I played FFXI but found the game to be extremely boring for some reason. Just me though.

Posts: 919 Joined: 3/22/09
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Tamanous 

How did this guy not even mention Lotro?

 

By the sounds of it he would hate it anyway ... sounds like he will hate anything. I suggest the OP stops playing video games. Many of the games he listed so not actually suck. Just because one may not like them does not mean they suck when many others love it.

Posts: 444 Joined: 9/13/11
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JimmyYO
 
 
Originally posted by Tamanous

How did this guy not even mention Lotro?

 

By the sounds of it he would hate it anyway ... sounds like he will hate anything. I suggest the OP stops playing video games. Many of the games he listed so not actually suck. Just because one may not like them does not mean they suck when many others love it.

And a single tear rolls down my cheek.

Some of them suck and some are just not what I'm looking for. I forgot about Lotro but you're right I don't like it because it's yet another bad WoW clone. If that game didnt have the Lotr name it would have died a long time ago. I was hoping someone knew of a "not so well known" fantasy game that's worth trying but it looks like there are none. Oh well was worth a shot.

Posts: 2840 Joined: 7/15/08
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Theocritus 
        You're probably out of luck Jimmy...The genre has really turned to the solo/single player experience the last few years and I dont remember any of the newer games have any meaningful group play......You'll most likely find games like TSW and RIft pretty lame as you've already played similar games and didn't like them....The only good group game I play is called World of DUngeons but its text based, probably not what youre looking for.
Posts: 16772 Joined: 9/13/06
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Kyleran 
Group oriented MMORPGS...
They are dead Jim.....RIP.
Posts: 437 Joined: 8/15/12
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Tibernicus 
Originally posted by JimmyYO

Vanguard- Devs don't care about the game= dead game, perfect game for RP but not embraced

It just went FTP, has a full dev team now, including the original creator. It's updated at least twice a week.

Posts: 519 Joined: 8/17/09
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Jaedor 

OP, it sounds like you compare everything to WoW. So if you like(d) WoW, I recommend you go back to it but on a good RP server (Wyrmrest Accord).

Say what you will about WoW, Blizz always puts out a polished product.

Posts: 437 Joined: 8/15/12
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Tibernicus 
Originally posted by Jaedor

OP, it sounds like you compare everything to WoW. So if you like(d) WoW, I recommend you go back to it but on a good RP server (Wyrmrest Accord).

Say what you will about WoW, Blizz always puts out a polished product.

Can polish a turd...

 
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