Originally posted by Vrika
-email-addresses and answers to security questions got stolen, but personal information or credit card information was not stolen
"There is no evidence of it, the investigation is ongoing" is not the same as catagorically saying it didn't happen. But given that the haters are going to run wild with their imaginations, it sort of invites everyone else (fan or neutral) to assume the opposite by default.
Originally posted by Illyssia
Well folks, shortly after I posted here about the dip in Blizzard subs, we have another Blizzard story worthy of the news report.
Yes folks, Blizzard with all their mega millions have been hacked. Accounts info has been stolen outside of China (NA and rest of the world I am guessing here), China has a different system and Blizz a different way of counting subs there (time card nonsense).
The big question is, of course, (similar to Sony) why a big tech company like Activision Blizzard cannot scure their customers info better.
Are perhaps the business suits who run Blizzard cutting costs on online security and, hence, are easy targets for the hackers? It would seem they were easily hacked.
More importantly with Panda expansion coming soon would you, joe and jane Warcraft, still trust them with your credt card and personal information still? What if they were hacked again? Without a major re/vamp in security they would be easy I would have guessed.
More info on the story from Forbes magazine
As always feel free to comment...
You clearly lack an understanding of Computer and online Security. In Reality no matter how much money you spend, there is not a security system in the world that can stop a hacker. End of Story.
We live in the information age, you should already know this. This is common knowledge. Internet and computer security is a not even close to 100%, never has and never will be. Just like in the Real world with Cops and Robbers, Robbers have the advanage, they set the rules. Hackers will always be head of the White hats, always, hackers set the rules.
Its a cat and mouse game and the mouse has the advanage, like Tom and Jerry.
I am not a WOW fan and I said the same thing after SONY was hacked, it does not matter how much money, or how great a security team you have, if a hacker wants in, a hacker is going to get in. End of Story.
"Can we still...?"
I dont know how about WE, but for myself, I do not have a problem with trusting them in the future.
Any security system can be compromised with enough effort, skill and resources thrown at it. However it DOES make a big difference how much effort, expertiese and resources a company puts toward securing thier environment. What the article doesn't mention is how the hackers got in.... so we don't really know whether Blizzard was excersizing proper dillegence and just got beaten by a dedicated crew of hackers with alot of time and resources to throw at them (Not fun, but it can happen to the best of us on occasion) or was careless/skimpy with thier security and paid the price for it. In Sony's celebrated case (last year I think it was)....it was pretty clear from the details of the story that they were careless and made rookie mistakes, which shouldn't have happaned with that size company if they were spending the proper resources on security.
The only thing that's concerning to me from reading the article so far is that the hackers appear to have gotten answers to peoples security questions in usable format. That data really should be stored encrypted with a one-way hash just like the passwords, so it's of limited use to hackers when they do get it (i.e. they've got to figure out the key used to hash the data in order to use it). Sounds like Blizzard did hash the passwords that were compromised....so that's a point in thier favor. They just should have done that with the answers as well. Beyond that, I'm reserving judgement on Blizzards security until more detailed info about how the hack was accomplished comes out (if it does).
You DEFINATELY should be dilligent about anything you give to a company, as there is always the possibility of hacks. If your truely worried about your financial data, make sure you pay with game cards or pre-paid credit cards and that'll limit your exposure. Also use different passwords and if possible different e-mail addresses for things that you expect have lower level security then you use for stuff that's really important (e.g. online banking). That's one way you can really get nailed, if you aren't carefull. If you have bad memory, you can write your passwords down and stick it in a safe or similar secured location in your house. Generaly speaking there are ALOT more people willing to risk violating someones virtual security then physical security....where they have to worry about things like armed home-owners, attack dogs, alarm systems and neighbors calling the cops to arrest them. YMMV.
Originally posted by coretex666
"Can we still...?"
I dont know how about WE, but for myself, I do not have a problem with trusting them in the future.
If Blizzard unveil a plan for improved Battle net security then all well and good. But if not their players are sitting ducks for hackers in the future, so players should complain and get Blizzard to put some of their profits back into the right places in their online gaming.
Originally posted by expresso
i believe this this first confirmed Bnet hack in some 20 years... I'd say that's not bad.
Why did you include that word "confirmed"? If you're going to make the claim that they've never been hacked, stand up and make that claim. Don't try to wiggle out of it by thinking that unreported hacks are unimportant.
Originally posted by maplestone
Originally posted by expresso
i believe this this first confirmed Bnet hack in some 20 years... I'd say that's not bad.Why did you include that word "confirmed"? If you're going to make the claim that they've never been hacked, stand up and make that claim. Don't try to wiggle out of it by thinking that unreported hacks are unimportant.
I dont go for those conspiracy theories, FACT this is the first 'Report' hack there is nothing more to say.
Originally posted by expresso
I dont go for those conspiracy theories, FACT this is the first 'Report' hack there is nothing more to say.
Well, I'm not going to stand up and claim to be an expert because eventually this argument leads to me having to admit how naive and blind I now know I was while rats ran rampant through a network I once had some small responsibility over.
Originally posted by Illyssia
Originally posted by coretex666
"Can we still...?"
I dont know how about WE, but for myself, I do not have a problem with trusting them in the future.
If Blizzard unveil a plan for improved Battle net security then all well and good. But if not their players are sitting ducks for hackers in the future, so players should complain and get Blizzard to put some of their profits back into the right places in their online gaming.
Corporations don't tell outsiders about their security. It would provide information on how to defeat it. So you're never going to know what they do about it. They sure as hell won't be unveiling any plans.
The problem with many of these statements about a company being hacked is that they are worded specificially to seem like the company was dutiful in protecting the clients data.
Ironically we probably know more about the details in the SOE case because of the delay than any other case. For example, when trion got hacked they said something along the lines of "we found evidence of an intrustion on such and such date" The irony is yes you found the evidence of that intrusion on that date but no details about when the intrusion might have happened. Its kinda like examining the mumified remains of an egyption pharoah and finding out he was assasinated, then telling people "today we found out that pharoah such and such was assasinated."
I find that people are unduely harsh on SOE because of the timeframe involved and not the honesty in their afterward report. Companies such as Trion got comprimised and people somehow brush it off. I remember after the Trion hack i sent them an email requesting for more information about the timetable of when my data might have been comprimised. I never heard back....
My point being is that like politicians a company is going to release a statement to the press that puts them in the best possible light and make them appear to be serving their customers to the best of their abilities. Even if they were actually grossly neglegent in their duty and will bend and twist words to appease those who do not carefully analyze their statments.
Originally posted by maplestone
Originally posted by Leethe
Blizzard hacked! Can we still trust them with our credit card and personal info?
Lol, what choice do you have? Where else will you go?
You should obviously switch to one of the companies that is unaware it was hacked or unwilling to publically admit it when it happens.
This 100%. My bank has admitted to being hacked several times. They warn us every time its something as small of an unautherised access to the one time debit card info was comprimised.
I will trust me money with a company who admits it long before I trust a company that its been proven to have security leaks and the company denied denied denied (Lookin at you Trion) untill the proof was shown. I look at it this way. If you are willing to admit you had a leak in your system I think I can trust you alittle more to fix that mistake and make anything that happens because of it right with the customer.
I'm not saying all hackers are the problem. Some of them simply try to hack security systems for the challenge. Its the idiots who do it with intent to steal or hurt people that are the problem.
Fixing security is like fixing bugs, you never know if you covered them all.
As they didnt have the bank details compromised, and its doubtful if they were/are able to decrypt the passwords, then as long as players have changed their passwords then all should be okay, those with authenticators, have nothing to worry about anyway.. though changing passwords is probably a good idea in any case. I have no problem trusting Blizzard with my PI. 
Anyone who has a problem with the level of security that Blizzard has used to protect their customers PI probably needs to disconnect from the Net, as it doesnt really get much better than that 
Originally posted by Illyssia
If Blizzard unveil a plan for improved Battle net security then all well and good. But if not their players are sitting ducks for hackers in the future, so players should complain and get Blizzard to put some of their profits back into the right places in their online gaming.
I'm planning to take all my money off from banks that don't unveil their plans to improve their vault's security. The information provided by bank must include at least: layout of the vault, location and type of all security devises and alarms, schedules for guards and their personal information, and information about systems that will keep power supplied to security systems in case of power outage.
If the bank can't publicly reveal all this information, then I can't trust that they are taking adequate steps to protect my money.
If you are that concerned I would advise to disconnect from the internet.
:)
If even the military, Nasa and other agencies get hacked you expect a gaming site to be more secure...
And did not some people lose thousands of personal infos (one case UK and a few cases in the US) when they lost laptops with infos on it :P
If youre that paranoid, use a prepaid reloadable debit card o.O Heck I used to use that!
Load with money only when you buy stuff o.O
I agree, people that paranoid should unplug themselves from the internet and discontinue using companies that use the internet also...which is all of them...even sheep herders...
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