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Dark and Light Review: Dark & Light Review - Edit
4.0
Hopeless
| Graphics | 6 | |
| Role-Playing | 4 | |
| Fun | 6 | |
| Performance | 6 | |
| Sound | 4 | |
| Value | 2 | |
| Community | 3 | |
| Service | 1 |
;)
Take the world of an MMORPG, multiply it by a hundred and add complete freedom of movement and a fluid day/night cycle with changing seasons and weather. This is Dark and Light. The world of Dark and Light is so huge that you can actually get lost in it. You can spend hours just exploring and enjoying the wonderful views of bright deserts, snowy mountain peeks and dark caverns. Unfortunately, this big beautiful world is pretty much empty.
The environment may never stop impressing, but the character models certainly do. They do not make good use of the current technology and their animations are at times silly. In fights your character sometimes swings his sword in circles above his head before hitting the enemy. The characters do a disservice to the environments they populate.
The quest of installing the game
I came into this with little knowledge about the game and a 3.5 rating on mmorpg.com game list (lowest rated game) in the back of my head. After getting my client I spent well over an hour installing and reinstalling trying to get it patched. Once I got into the game it was very unstable and for the first week. It was not unusual to have a party member drop out because his client crashed. Thankfully, as more time passed, this changed and the game is more enjoyable now.
Dark and... Dark? Character generation.
There are 12 races, two of which are gender specific. The half-troll is male only, and the fairy is only selectable by females. There is a fair selection of different looks for each character where you can change hair, height, eyes, earrings and more. Although you don't select your class in the character generator you can select starting outfits for different types of character, such as robes, swords, bows etc. Inexplicably though, character creation actually follows the world's day/night cycle. If you happen to try and make one at night, it is virtually impossible to do detailed customization. It's just too dark!
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The character advancement is surprisingly flexible. All characters start off as a citizen and gain their first title at level 10 where you can choose your path. There are four paths you can follow: Fighter, Hunter, Healer and Spellcaster. Each has three paths you can choose at a higher level. For example the Fighter can choose Paladin, a mix between a fighter and a healer or the Warrior, which is the main fighter or the Shadow Knight (think evil paladin). This combined with the fact that you can use skills of other classes gives a diverse selection of characters. Dark and Lights skill system is divided in three skill pools: Fighting, Crafting and Social. The social experience is used for nobility ranks and other perks and is gained through quests, guilds and events among other things. The game was supposed to have large scale politics which would involve the social skill, but this is not yet in the game, which obviously makes the social skill side of things less interesting.
Why take the bus when you have dragons!
To get around in the world there are several means of transportation. One of the more interesting is the Deltaglider, a hand glider that you can use to soar freely around the world. It takes some time to master, but once you get a hang of it you will really get to appreciate it. You can at any given time jump from an elevated position and use it. It is great for getting quickly away from a tough fight or to get from one place to another fast. For longer travel, you can rent a dragon or use a mana tower. Dragons are relatively cheap and the mana tower is a free teleporter to certain destinations. Public transportation is also available in form of some kind of modified air balloons.
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The sound is diverse, but it is well below the standard of modern MMORPGs and is not as believable and immersive as it could have been. By contrast, the music is very subtle and actually draws you in.
Did that Cow of Destruction just own my level 20 warrior?
The game is relative hard, especially in the beginning. The first few levels you can only kill things of your own level. The problem is that level one mobs are mixed in with level five mobs that will kill you if you are not careful. Generally, mobs are placed in groups of up to 20 or more which makes solo hunting very difficult at first. Once you are past citizen level (10), a well-equipped character can kill creatures twice his level. The difficulty of the mobs themselves is very diverse as well. One level 10 mob might be easy to kill while another level 10 might be almost impossible to kill. This can be either good or bad, depending on how you look at it. On one hand, there is a sense of discovery. On the other hand, a hunting experience can be entirely unpredictable and have dire results.
The naming of monsters themselves is dull. There are cows of destruction, of blunt, of death, etc. It seems that the dev team ran out of inspiration when naming them.
;)
Get out those binoculars, it's time to find a group.
The grouping is very well done. Because of how the group system is made, a level 10 can easily group with a level 30 if they like. The average level of the group decides what the group can hit and get experience from, so a level 10 and a level 30 would make a level average of 20. Unfortunately, it is usually hard to get a group together at low levels. There just are not enough players to populate such a huge world and with more and more players canceling their subscription the population will become a larger problem as time passes. The promised features that the developers failed to deliver - such as politics and housing - have hurt the population to such a degree that perfectly sound parts of the game are suffering from the fallout.
The community left in game seems to be very mature. Everyone I have met has been friendly and helpful, which makes the relatively steep learning curve less painful. Whenever you start a new character you get some tool tips that tell you the basics of the game, but there are a lot of things you have to either find out for yourself or read the manual to learn.
An important part of the game is events managed by GMs. They are well written and usually gather large amounts of players because you can be teleported to it by the click of a button. Even with many players on the same location you hardly feel any lag or noticeable drop in performance. Unfortunately, these too have fallen victim to the game's overall fortunes, with Alchemic Dream scaling back the number of people working on live events.
The review was not harsh enouph for that POS game. Just my opinion.
it breaks my heart to see the game still hasnt changed that much from the early beta.
i agree with every point given, except the support. cause that should be a - number. if you want support you gonna have to go to the players themself.
sound bit, could have been a 5 or music 8.5 and sfx 2
There are things in that review that made me want to try the game. But i played the engine they sent out..lets just say the sky had more lines and colours then a rainbow.
Far too kind. I believe MMORPG.com played it a little too politic with this review. As a service to the folks that visit the MMORPG.com website seeking realistic information about DnL, this review should have painted a more realistic picture of this "train wreck" of a game.
I am a regular visitor to the official DnL forums, where the vast majority of the posts by the current player base are far more negative than this review. It's one thing to try and be even-handed in a review. But this is a situation where calling a spade a spade is justified. With a score of 4.0 (which I think is very fair) the review itself should have been harsher in tone.
The Multi-threading realy does improve things alot also.
*Disclamer - I am a fan of the TECH not nessarly the game.
While I agree a 4 may be a bit high, I was worried that politics would play a larger role here than it did. I think they did a good job without seeming to be too negatively biased which would remove the appearance of objectivity.
A 4 gets the point across that this is a game that should be avoided until it becomes a complete game, which might never happen due to finances. The best we can hope for is a buyout by another company but then again, we all saw how that went for Horizons.
Isn't that the truth...started with SoG....where I along with several others volunteered to help with support of SoG (remember DSH in IRC chat?)...little did we realise we were really the only support that game offered...when we left, support was just no longer there. I know we weren't liked by part of the community...but we helped a great number of people get into and try the game. Perhaps we shouldn't have bothered...would have caused the downfall of this game a lot quicker.
They promised so much and delivered so little...I'm surprised this game hasn't been cancelled yet...at this point the lack of players by itself is the one thing that is driving this game into the ground. Now that AD is pulling back on their support of events....no doubt that will quicken the downfall of this game.
Bottom line is...this game has set a new standard about how NOT to run a MMORPG.
Yea DnL let us down, plain and simple. And I remember DSH Thor , and I still remember the 10 000 beta keys going in 90s . Talk about hype . Good to know the game is still broken, although I don't think I was gonna go was anyways.
Annihalation [SoF]
Also... regarding the score: if you got 40% on a history test, you'd probably not be happy. The same applies here.
I'd say the review was pretty damn accurate. He showed no bias and put the main point in writing. And Gorukha, that statement was not funny or accurate.
That's all I needed to see.
While I feel that mmorpg.com was overly generous, I also realise that I'm a jaded customer of DnL and mmorpg.com is a business like any other and I don't blame them for not stepping on anyones toes.(too hard!) I don't agree with some points of course but I can't feel bad about the overall review.
PS... And Mr.Bloodworth! You are a big loose fanboi that's second only to Ztyx,weg and puure or whatever. I remember you...but I won't say anything bad about you because everyone deserves an opinion. But if you can't be objective and list the flaws as well as the pluses of the last patch then don't say anything at all.
Indira! I'm your #1 fan!
PS...Lepidus, why do you have a dead/newborn monkey as your avatar? I associate monkeys with DnL devs...LOL!
I have done the Tour and from what i have seen the engine is pretty good and have not really notice the thing about the sky having so much colour, for me the sky was on of the things that truly looked realistic, especialy when i took the flight with the Dragon and we moved thru clouds wich was a nice effect, but other then that i fully agree with the topic post, i also stated on their website they should have waited before release and make the game complete,i also am of mind that the game could have been beter in its current state if advertising of the game was done in honosty instead of kinda lying to the public about it. The way it was advertised made us gamers have high hopes wich resulted in disappointments.
I still believe the game has potentiol but not in its current state.....
I hope people stop now buying this POS game.
Never ever again trust NP3 or Farlan people again - and games with AD Management I will
try to avoid.
Lesson learned.
Not sure on that. I will look it up and post here.
All Codemasters games.
Well I applied to this beta ages ago and never got in. Thats no problem I was still quite interested in it anyway.
Howvere I have had several attempts to buy the game key via there website to no avail. They use what seems to me to be a silly way of purchasing.
Didnt matter what I did I always got an error on completeing the transaction. Click and Buy would add me as an active subscriber, but I never received a key.
When I mailed them about this all I was told is that I wont be able to play the game til I purchase a key ....doh...
Then they pointed me to the website to buy and do all the same stuff again !
So I have given up this idea and by the sound of the review, maybe thats a good thing
I think the review perfectly shows why not to subscribe to this game. With that said the World-engine is always worth the deal to visit (for some exploration) if you haven't yet. Had this been a serious development team this game could have been a hit but they got in way over their heads.
Sorry, not a fan boy.
I haven’t had the issues with the patch others have had. And the dual core updates did do allot for performance...and i have two types of comps, Multithreaded and dual core.
I don’t speak about what I don’t experience. I have read the forums. I bought the game after launch, and im a freedom pass subscriber. I pay no monthly fee. Don’t be mad at me because I didn’t believe the hype and played it smart when entering the game. And like I have said before, I’m a fan of the TECH not the game. I only log in when they patch...and even then not for very long. And like i said, i can log in any time they patch...for free basically, no subscription. So, like I said, stop hating me because I was smarter than you and didn’t get screwed by a blatantly incompetent company.
I’m sorry your mom is upset about the charges you cant cancel on her CC.
Originally posted by tepthtanisPS... And Mr.Bloodworth! You are a big loose fanboi that's second only to Ztyx,weg and puure or whatever. I remember you...but I won't say anything bad about you because everyone deserves an opinion. But if you can't be objective and list the flaws as well as the pluses of the last patch then don't say anything at all.
Uh huh. I agrred with the review, and the patch dosnt change alot, but it does do for me what i posted about.
PS: Tepthtanis, your a moron.
Hey, go right ahead and be insulting. I'm not the moron that was a fanboi of DnL. I remember your little clown or jester picture. I remember you laying into the people that critsized the game. I remember you calling them "morons" among other things. And you know what, I don't give a rat's butt. I also don't remember anyone saying they hate you on here. Where the hell did that come from??? Like I said, everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you want to tell everyone that you still play this game and it works perfectly on your computer, go right ahead. 98 out 100 of them would tell you that "you" are the moron.
Did you get a little snick and a titter when you called me moron??? Really! How old are you?!?!?
Every part of that post is a lie. Please post a link to where i said "I love DnL, nothing is wrong, its the best game ever". Because you are thinking of WEG.
I called you a moron because of your post, and postings. You have no idea what you are talking about, and decided to insult me.
My stance has allways been the same on the game. (Pre-SOG i was very excited thoe, who wasn't)
I like the TECH, and dont think the devs will dig them selves out of this one. Its a shame.
Now, you may be talking about people of your nature going overbord and stating very outlandish things...then yes..lol.. i may have called someone like that a moron, as i just did =)
Its one thing to not like the game and be mad for whatever reason, but I do hate it when people look for anything to scream about. I think allot of people forget that most Developers are people too, with their own dreams... and shit happens. Whatever that may be.
But people like you who seem to think they created the game just to screw you over are morons, lol. Yes, the wasted millions to devlop a game just to get your 40$ + 15 a month......once.Please prove me wrong.
Thanks.
My stance has allways been the same on the game. (Pre-SOG i was very excited thoe, who wasn't)
I like the TECH, and dont think the devs will dig them selves out of this one. Its a shame.
Now, you may be talking about people of your nature going overbord and stating very outlandish things...then yes..lol.. i may have called someone like that a moron, as i just did =)
Its one thing to not like the game and be mad for whatever reason, but I do hate it when people look for anything to scream about. I think allot of people forget that most Developers are people too, with their own dreams... and shit happens. Whatever that may be.
But people like you who seem to think they created the game just to screw you over are morons, lol. Yes, the wasted millions to devlop a game just to get your 40$ + 15 a month......once.Please prove me wrong.
Thanks.
So you're saying that them telling the world that the games state is the fans fault is okay. You're saying that them selling a game that should be in alpha to people at a premium price is okay. You're saying that their incompitant development is okay. You're saying that their theft of vworld tech from Pix is okay. Everything about DnL is okay with Mrbloodworth because you only play the game to experience the patches and you feel you didn't get ripped off. What planet are you from buddy? You attack me and call me a moron because you claim you're not a fanboi. Then turn around and defend DnL and still call me a moron!?!?!?
They don't want just my 40$ plus 15$ a month. They want everyones. And amazingly! That adds up to millions!!!(By the way, I got a refund!) Also, they wish to get rights to the vworld tech.
I come on to these forums for the dual purposes of seeing Farlan fail and to make sure "people like you" don't pull noobs into that meat grinder. So if you're going to come on here and say" Works great on my computer and that's all that matters to me!" without mentioning the negatives of the new patch then prepare to be critisized by "people like me!"
So go back to playing your "patches/tech" (Whatever!) and stay away from me because I'll burn you everytime...
Prove me wrong.
Have a nice day.
I was thinking about applying for a position at my work (sideways move) recently and one of the things required was "marketing skills" and preferably a degree or diploma in marketing.
I consider myself at 40y/o and having been an admin and training professional for the last 10 years, to have a solid grasp of marketing concepts, though I have no formal qualifications. I applied anyway and the selection process is still going. So why am I telling you this here ?
Because marketing is like drinking a glass of milk. Anyone with 1/10th of a brain and at least one working limb can do it. Having to go to University to study marketing is like having to go to a technical school to study wiping your butt for mine. Its just not neccessary.
However the MMORPG industry seems to be swamped, nay infested, with people who occupy marketing positions but seem to have no concept whatsoever of how to successfully market a product. My personal view is that its because they all went to Uni and studied it. They all learned the same tired 19th century marketing strategies from their ageging professors and they have not noticed that the world (particularly gaming) has become far more savvy to these basic advertising techniquies.
The absoloute most basic tennant of successful product or service promotion is "under promise and over deliver"
The exact opposite of the system used to market MMORPG's
So.... no surprises here with DnL.
Nice review
This is the review that took so long to release? Uh... OK. Kind of un-inspired, no?
Was there something else going on here? I mean so much could have been done with a review about this game and this was just kinda.."yeah game sucks, everyone is leaving, bye".
Just curious.
They were involved with Seed, doing community management and live events. Actually, I think the better parts of Seed were in the CS and live events. Always prompt, always helpful, and always thinking of ways to make the experience better.
Both D&L and Seed were unfinished and rough at launch. The difference is that Farlan made AD's job harder, by doing screwy stuff with preorders, account difficulties, undue bannings, etc. Runestone was up front, more than aware of the difficulties, and worked extra hard to make up for it, making AD's job easier.
Keep Hands off this game.....
I was in SoG , as an Pioneer, I canceled the game b4 I get mad of....
biggest problem is the error if u use ATI graphiccards, you have to use an older version of thre driver, 6.3 i think... , and so on and on
It could be a great game .... ; but they fumbled
it to dead
have to say that with an tear in my eye (crying or laughing, i dont know )
to see zhat game going down the drain, makes me really angry
ok, I stop flame
greetings
Like I told MrsButterworth. The biggest fault of Farlan/DnL was their mistreatment of their fans. Blaming the games failings on them. Total lack of customer support. "Hello, this is DnL support.....please hold the line...we will be with you in...fornever!" The ATI graphix card debacle was just a side effect of their lack of customer support.
So you're saying that them telling the world that the games state is the fans fault is okay. You're saying that them selling a game that should be in alpha to people at a premium price is okay. You're saying that their incompitant development is okay. You're saying that their theft of vworld tech from Pix is okay. Everything about DnL is okay with Mrbloodworth because you only play the game to experience the patches and you feel you didn't get ripped off. What planet are you from buddy? You attack me and call me a moron because you claim you're not a fanboi. Then turn around and defend DnL and still call me a moron!?!?!?
They don't want just my 40$ plus 15$ a month. They want everyones. And amazingly! That adds up to millions!!!(By the way, I got a refund!) Also, they wish to get rights to the vworld tech.
I come on to these forums for the dual purposes of seeing Farlan fail and to make sure "people like you" don't pull noobs into that meat grinder. So if you're going to come on here and say" Works great on my computer and that's all that matters to me!" without mentioning the negatives of the new patch then prepare to be critisized by "people like me!"
So go back to playing your "patches/tech" (Whatever!) and stay away from me because I'll burn you everytime...
Prove me wrong.
Have a nice day.
you have issues man. I did not say any of thoes things. Get the voices in your head checked.
Okay, here we go...
1) You attacked my original statement and called me a moron because I said you were a fanboi...I wasn't rude, I didn't say anything mean and yet you called me a moron. You even said "we" hate you. Sorry buddy! I don't hate anyone!
2) I came back and made you bleed because of your pitiful lies...It's so obvious! I'm sure if we took a poll I would win hands down!
3) Here's somemore...I went back and read your review under DnL ratings. You said you haven't been a fanboi since before SOG. Then why after the release of DnL on June 5th did you say..."A great game! A step above the norm." (Actually you said "I great game". You can't even spell "A" right and you have the nerve to call me a moron!)... then you said..."not an easy game...very complex." The only two things that are complex about DnL are Logging in and getting a refund. Then you said the game has some issues but it was just released and they will be resolved. If you're not a fanboi then no one is...
4) Anyone can go on to DnL forums and read your posts. There is plenty of evidence there of your fanboi status.
5) You come on here and say that DnL is great now because of the dual threading in the latest patch so it runs peachy-keen on your computer. FYI. Not everyone has an "easy button" on their computer. In fact, your the only one. I suppose your computer corrects all the DnL bugs for you. I suppose it adds the promised content that is missing for you. I suppose it has it's own customer support that is 100% efficient.
6) Any game in the world would look good after the stuff that you've been smoking,popping or injecting. "Hey everyone! Let's have a rousing game of hopscotch!!!"
7)So hey Blood, just drop it. I've had so much experience wtih lying idiots like you that everything you say is painted in red. If you really want to get nasty. E-mail me! I freely display it in my bio.
8) I've had enough of your whining and your bs. All this because I called you a fanboi. I got you dead to rights you sad, sad little boy. Don't go any further if you know what's good for you.
I don't understand all the hate directed at this game. I understand that it is a buggy hunk of crap, built by 4 or 5 dudes... but is it really any worse than the other buggy pieces of crap built by 5 dudes? I am certainly not defending it, and wouldn't pay one red cent to play it... but is it really that much worse than Roma Victor or Seed?
I mean, it did get the lowest score ever from this site... how exactly do you get from that to saying the review was soft?
What you two are insinuating has nothing to do with Business and the Principles of Success.
What happened in the past does not dictate what WILL for a fact happen in the future.
You can walk right? You can read. You can speak? Those skills didnt come about instantaneously and perfectly. You made mistakes but you kept on going.
What does determine AD's success, is how they respond to this hurtle on the way to there goal. Obviously there goal is to make the best game possible. Will they learn from there mistakes? Will they better themselves from this setback or let it haunt there future? Thats all that truly matters. Somehow, I doubt any of you are privy to any of that information.
To the last two on here. It has nothing to do with gameplay. It has everything to do with past mistakes...
If you make a mistake and insult someone as a businessman/woman do you not apologize? It is simply good business to do so to a good customer.
Farlan/npcube/AD all had a hand in insulting the intelligence and integrity of their fanbase. Did they apologize? No! Did they make up for it in any way? No!
I agree with Iogangregor in that it all depends on what they do now. But are these companies willing to bite the bullet and admit to their shortcomings? I doubt it. They've shown no integrity so far...
Maybe Im mistaken but isnt AD the company that posted on the Forums and said that they were taking on the game in its present state and were trying to fix it-- make a good game etc? Isnt that the company thats trying to Make the game that everyone wants?
Sorry, but no. Ad/Alchemic dreams is a company out of Canada that performs moderation/Gm duties among other things for other companies. Npcube is the company with the DnL dream and the developers and Farlan are the folks with the money.
But you know, I haven't seen the forums for awhile. Maybe AD bought the game out from under Farlan... Stranger things have happened!
Hmmm my bad. I swear I remember some Big Wig Dev come on the General Forums of MMORPG and say how they purchased DnL and were fixing the game etc and they were going to make the game great....and most peoples quotes were "good luck with that, you have alot of very angry fans".....and he got flamed from a few VERY upset ex customers.
Does that Ring any bells???
If anyone knows what Im talking about PLEASE TELL ME lol. It has to be DnL that happened with....unless there is some other game released in the last 4 months that everyone had such a problem with.
Im getting the strong suspicion that I put my two cents in .....but got the games mixed up.
THERES TOO MANY MMOS!!
Back to my point. Yes, the game is bad. Yes, there is basically nothing to do besides kill stuff, Yes, it's broken and has all kinds of problems. Yes, the company has no customer support. Yes, all of those bad things are true but.....it still isn't the worst game on the mmorpg list...actually it is no where near the worst game so I believe some people need to calm down about it.
What really happened with this game,what I believe anyhow, is that a small company bit off more than they could chew. It had some wonderful ideas but that was about as far as it got "idea stage 1" The huge one world server is amazing. No matter what anyone says to me this was a kickass idea. The ideas behind sieges and player built cities....agian good stuff. Yea, the combat sucked, the animations sucked, the graphics weren't up to today's standards but....the ideas were great. So, a small company with some good ideas screwed up their big chance and now everyone is against them. I am actually going to go completely against that and say to the devs, atleast you tried. Atleast, it wasn't another damn EQ clone. Atleast, it wasn't the retardedness that WoW is. BTW yes WoW is a very well made game and it's perfect in everyway, unless you are actually looking for some substance in your mmorpg......grind grind grind get l33t l00t badass more l00t oh got to have it l0ot l00t l00t ;) Anyone, with a brain will know exactly what I mean. There are other games that have good ideas but who knows if they will deliver either "darkfall" Anyway, yea, I say lay off these guys because it's not that big of a deal if you happened to give them your money and now your mad about it. If you read anything on the forums about SoG and still bought it then shame on you.
All I can say, is you are entitled to your opinion. But in light of all the things Farlan and company did, the callous disregard/disdain they showed for their customers, their unapologetic and holier-than-thou/elitist attitude when confronted with the facts, I am going to have to say your opinion is dead wrong. And you'll find that most here will agree. Oh, and they got no money from me. That has nothing to do with why I post here. I am here because I want to see them gone, along with Mourning/Thrones of Chaos and any other so-called "developers" that think they can just screw people around and not be held accountable. It's asshats like these that ruin true developers chances to create something unique and non-cookie cutter, because people get to where they can't trust anyone and won't take chances with "the little guys".
I remember watching a video of a promo of this game in 2005 and wondered what all the excitement was about! The game's main flaw is that the marketing element combined with demands of the game industry put too many nails in the coffin before a successful release could be realised. Given that 94% of games never see the light of day some credit is deserved for Dark And Light getting as far as it did purely on its hype. It appears no worse than Archlord but then again I have never played D&L (as I have Project Entropia (free roaming world) which is skills based too - way too many class systems out there already!)
Enjoyed the review to the extent that I may have got suckered into trying the game out. But after buying Archlord I have learnt that the fans previews/reviews are way more reliable than the mmorg.com staff.
Once again, you’re putting words in people’s mouths to try to prove some stupid twisted point.
Hate farlan, I don’t care. But your lying more then anyone.
I did not say it was "Great" because of the dual core, I said the 25 FPS cap was removed.
I’m guessing I should have posted that and then listed everything that is wrong with the game in some form of angry l337 speak. The review did that quite nicely with out the l337 speak, thanks. Every point in that review I agreed with, but the Cap was in error, or as I said, the review was made before that patch. How ever you look at it, your putting words in my mouth and making yourself look stupid.
A post does not have to be an angry, hate filled, orgasm of spew to be posted here, or about DnL.
You seem to read what you want and the twist it to make yourself feel better.
What I think you are referring to is the posts on the main forum from people asking if they should try the game. All i ever said was if your going to , do a freedom pass. It was my attempt to save some people some grief.
Other than that, I do not recommend the game to people, or try to "Trick" them into it (and if for some reason some would do that by the recommendations of some one on the forums, then yeah.... Good luck to you.) You are spreading false lies and liable about me. and attempting to label me a fan boy because your angry at farlan, Even after I said, I don’t support the game, and I don’t recommend it to anyone.
How about keeping your fight aimed at farlan and leaving others alone a?
I’m sure you will continue to pick apart peoples posts and place words in there mouths… so have fun in your hate mongering.
You still a moron.
In responding to you i forgot my rules for forum use.
"Never argue with idiots. They will bring you down to their level, then overwhelm you with their experience."
I don't hate you Mrbloodworth. I never said I hate you. Like I said earlier, I don't hate anyone. I don't even think you read my posts, you just come on here and whine. I said, that you said it's" a great game" in your "rating" of the game. Anyone can go and look at it under "RATINGS"! You know, where you "RATE" the game!!!
You know what! Fine! You're like talking to my exwife. I say blue and she hears green. You win. All this bs because I called you a fanboi. So here it is! "I'm sorry I called you a fanboi." There! All better right! Now we don't have to clutter up this thread anymore with our rantings...
You're still a moron too!
I have tried a registry cleaner on my old comp. but I wouldn't call it good. It did nothing about my problem. Do you have any recomendations on a good cleaner razorback?
Well I was one of the "lucky" free account winner (i think they were called settlers)....
Ok then it was chaos at the beginning of SOG because of the nasty pirates (LMAO) then I was able to play, a bit beetween dnl.exe errors, permabug, "already logged in" bug (that is still not fixed it seems) etc
AFK running through the empty landscape in hope of finding a mob, or a town, anything to break the monotony,
I quickly realised that i had more fun watching the windows disk defragmenter than playing Dnl...=> uninstall => reactivate Wow account=> playing a real game now.
Hope that helps
Thanks Treysmooth! I will begin finding all these programs right away and follow your directions. It's going to take some time but I'll let you know what happens...
Thanks again!
Peace
It's a really good thing you guys took 7 months before you reviewed the game. Honestly, it was one of the most anticipated game out there and you just now got around to reviewing this POS..?
It's an all out score of 2.5 ..! Given the fact that it's been out for 8 months and it is STILL in this condition. You missed the mark and i feel this Review isn't an honest one at all.
-Zvorak
I gave it a 1.6 and I thought I was being generous. But I look at mmorpg's rating with a little patience because they came in much later than I expected to give this review. They are capturing their rating in a moment in time where the rest of us had to experience the full blown dismal and jaded DnL experience. I agree that they were overly generous but they haven't seen what the experienced DnL refugees have been through.
Good point though Zvorak!
You gotta love the fact that these jokers are still making money while the honest abe devs over at Runstone are cleaning out thier desks right now.
Life is not fair FTW
I agree. Life isn't fair but allies can tip the balance in your favor! Not my quote but I can't remember where I heard it from for the life of me...
But, because Runestone had the balls to admit they fumbled from the beginning and were honest and communicative with their customers, when they come back to try again, they will not be laughed off the stage, so to speak
In any case, I suggest steering clear of any games involving Alchemic Dream. It seems they have a jinx about them...lets review their mots recent 4 games-
RF Online- lawl, damn near dead as DnL last I checked.
Archlord- again, damn near as bad as DnL with the same bugs since the beginning of beta
Seed- Cancelled, nuff said
DnL- Biggest piece of shit to grace the MMO scene in a long while
SWG- They weren't part of it but I bet one of them had an SWG acct they played on...
Could just be coincidence that they decide to get a contract with bad developers, but I can't help but feel they've somehow infected these games with their poison and killed them.
100% agree. Seed was very cool, and worthy of more of a chance than DnL.
I have played the downloadable Tour, and was in awe at the quality of the engine, EQ2 eat your heart out. And I have the hardware to properly test: E6600/3GB/7950GX2/1600x1200 flatscreen. Best graphics to date (not talking about the animations though). I was even tempted to give the game a try, how bad can it be if it looks so good
Now, more to the point, I expected the review to give me an insight into the actual gameplay. The review says the gameworld is empty. But how empty? Empty as in Horizons, with huge stretches of land and no mob in sight? Empty as in AC2, with not a single NPC to liven up the world and give a quest? Empty as in Ryzom, with hordes of un-connable mobs around the city but only half a dozen kill tasks - not quests - to do per 50 levels? Empty as in: go kill this fellow player so that we can avoid spending money on making quests and other 'real' content?
Bugs I don't mind, last time I checked even games that had what looks like 100x DnL's budget like EQ2 and WoW had tons of them. But what does DnL play like? Do you just run around killing mobs to increase a few counters as in EQ1 and DAoC? Run around fixing hatches and fighting against the interface as in Seed? Trying to explore and avoid the occasional unconsensual PvP encounter? Setting up huge sieges on a rival guild's castle? What is a DnL player's day like?
Ask a question like that and you're going to get a thousand different answers. I wish I could help you but I haven't played since early June so whatever info I have is obsolete!
Sorry to see this game fail. I myself is a SWG refugee and was hoping this would take over the spot from the old days of latenight gaming for my part. *sigh* back to WoW.
Wumi
Great idea ..huge world ... Everything else is cr4p.
I have played many betas and many online games over the years and I would have to say this is one of the most disappointing releases I have come across. The developers of this game should be emabrressed to release such a poorly written piece of software to the market.
Needless to say I will not be playing it again.
Dan
New Zealand
Well Dan. If you decide to read some of the threads you will find out that there is so much more to this game than just it being crappy! It's actually like a big soap opera that is real life. If you investigate you will probably be very surprised at all the ebbs and flows that this game/companies have caused. But then again... maybe you should just leave well enough alone.
This game kinda reminds me of the song "Hotel California" by the Eagles. I'd hate to degrade a great song by associating it with this game but this one line says it all. "You can check out any time you like but you can never leave..."
Lets not forget when the official site had a virus. Still no response about that whole debacle & since that entire forum was "archived" they hope everyone will forget about it, along with the hundreds of negative threads.
Real professionals at work
Yes! Those were good times. Seems like only yesterday I was purging my computer of the Dnl virus. In fact, it wasn't until recently that I had gotten rid of the last ghosts of DnL with the help of a couple of good samaritans from earlier in this thread...
Thanks again Treysmooth and Razorback! You 2 may have saved my computer!!!( at least from DnL!)
Heres a post I made at the stratics.dnl Jan 2006:
Trappin
AD has been flaking for NP3 for a year now. I was in the old beta and can state, without reservation, that the game was completely broken last August. Broken means not working in English for our French speaking friends.
Last January 2005 AD had told the community that the game was nearly finished. April 2005 was a milestone month, it was supposed to hold the last beta wave invite prior to Dark and Light going gold.
April came and we saw no beta wave, in fact AD / NP3 waited until the last minute to announce that the April 2005 beta wave would be delayed, so the community went along with it, we all talked about how we would prefer a well built game and that AD/NP3 should take their time and craft the great game we all expected. The launch of the game was backed up until late Q4 November 2005
Not long after the April 2005 beta wave cancellation NP3 released E3 screenshots of a few racial models. The models had no shading and had a very blocky appearance, the community was split, many thought they looked fine, but others believed that the models looked crude for such a late date in the development of Dark and Light. The models had no armour, they only wore the naked creation clothing that all characters are born with. The only visible armour was worn by the human beta race and it didnt quite fit right and the chest and leg armor mesh didnt line up correctly.
But AD / NP3 told us that they had in house Alpha models that they had to keep hidden from the public because other gaming corporations would steal their bold new graphic models. So we as the community nodded our heads in agreement, the last thing we wanted was some evil company to steal what would be the best new graphic models in a MMOG.
Not too long after E3, AD / NP3 released more game information, we were treated to great ideas about how the super secret tradeskill system would revolutionize the gaming industry. We all cheered and clapped and asked for more information. But, AD told us that they needed to keep the industry redefining tradeskill system secret so evil gaming corporations couldn't steal the grand new system that was finished and ready for the game launch in November 2005.
We all cheered and told them that would be smart, since WoW was our biggest competitor, we all knew that Blizzard would, if it had the chance, steal the industry redefining tradeskill system that NP3 had developed inhouse and was keeping locked down and guarded by a very large Standard Poodle, not the little yapping french poodle mind you, but the freakin big one, the one that weighs 73 kilo and has 4 rows of jagged sharp teeth. We all cheered.
Well late July - August rolled around and the first few cracks on the AD/ NP3 Dark and Light facade began to appear. AD had told us that in late August we would be treated to incredible revelations about the game, new incredible designs and new special game features. But late in August AD told the community that there really was nothing new to announce and in fact it was a rumour or myth that had been started and had no basis in reality. But at the same time AD did announce that they would release new game information in September, new bold game features and crazy great new screenshots, some of us stopped cheering. But other fans, the really wise ones told us to STFU.
August: France goes on vacation so no work on the game is performed. The developers on that cool tropical Island go on a very long holiday as well. But AD has its headquarters in Quebec so they continue the great public relations work they are known for worldwide.
Concurrently, Rogue beta testers begin to post ingame screenshots and tell-all tales of how the game was broken, but the community rallies to NP3 and beats the rogue beta testers down, many fans cheered and clapped because they knew that AD and NP3 would never distribute untruths about the game. We all knew that the game was nearly complete and that a few bad apples always ruin the barrel.
Late September - early October had arrived and AD told us that everything was on track for a November 2005 launch of Dark and Light. We had a few really cool screenshots released by AD, one had an ELF SITTING IN A CHAIR with a FAIRIE, it was fantastic !!! oh the the jubilation!! it was a a MMOG wet dream !!!
Concurently in closed Beta the game known as Dark and Light is utterly broken, stress test is a complete failure.
early-mid October AD announces that they will have a open public stress test client that runs parallel to the closed beta tests, people cheered in anticipation, the grand moment had finally arrived.
Mid-mid October AD announes that NP3 has decided to delay the gold launch until Q1 - 2006 but will have a non open beta beta beta veteran client launch for the real hardcore beta non beta fans.
At this point I walk away from the game.
I just read through this thread because I read the review and was saddened. It seems like the game has amazing potential and just needs a good dev team to finish it up. Unfortunately it has left such a bad taste in so many gamers' mouths that even a buyout might not be able to save it. I must say that the giant argument that took over this thread was by far the most interesting part. I have two things to say about it.
1. In a poll I would vote for Blood.
2. Tep has no room to ever criticize another's English skills.
There is no potential. Its garbage.
You seem to be incorrectly defining the word potential. I'm fully aware that the game is complete crap. I'm simply saying that if the game would have delivered what it promised it would have been amazing. The world, character development, and seasonal progression all sound like a lot of fun. Just because it was done all wrong doesn't mean that there isn't any potential for the game. If a good game company decided to pick it up and throw a great dev team on it, it could be all it promised and more. Given the amount of damage its done to itself though, I doubt that any noteworthy company will touch it with a ten foot pole.
This game is the same story as SWG, DDO, and I'm sure LOTR will be...
There are plenty of half assed games getting released in beta, but the differance is DDO and SWG have name recognition to hold on to a core fanbase long enough to try to fix things (like DDO is desperatly trying to do in a hurry, and what SWG totally failed at)...
I never thought I'd see a game compared to Mourning... and I never thought I'd see game worse than AC2.
And some people mentioned they will never play a codemasters game: I agree, I'll never play SOE or a Turbine game again (when i heard LOTR was being deved by them I cried and scratched it off of my list)
And to MMORPG.com in general and to the writer of the article specifically:
I understand you are probably not a writer, but a barely literate gamer, but spellcheck will not correct a word further than being correctly SPELLED, if it needs conjugated or put in a different tense it doesn't help.
Epic review review manuver, you phail at english, do a barrel roll!