woot.... not impressed

Ruining WOW...

Unless you have a gajillion hours to play every month, WOW is no longer enjoyable for a large core of players.  First we worked so hard to obtain gear and attunements for 40 man raids and ZG, Ony, AQ, etc...only to have all that gear, time, and effort made obsolete by Outland greens. 

Now all the players working hard to obtain Kara gear and Arena rewards will see their efforts diminished by lvl 80 garbage.  Expanding the game is great, I'd love new environments and challenges.  I just wish they'd stop raising the lvl cap.  I'm retiring my lvl 70's and canceling my subscription, I have a real life as well and can no longer keep up with the time it involves to successfully play WoW.

I may buy it just to check out Northrend and some new features, but without me taking the time to actually grind I probably won't see much, which is too bad really.

Imagine putting all the time you've played WoW or any other MMORPGs into learning playing guitar - you could have been rockstar by now!

I really love the idea of an expansion .. But hell, I hate the fact that they are raising the level cap. God .. we are happy with level 70, Why raising it again ... surely much more Rep grinding ...

Anyway, I will try to take it the good way .. play when you can .. and enjoy what you got ... wich mean .. be happy of getting green trash better than epic ;) since you didn't got time to raid for much epic.

Oh ... Like my friend said. If you are angry about the time *lost* in the raid .. why are you playing ? you said it .. you lost your time trying to get epic. You shouldn't lost you time, but enjoying a game.

Originally posted by easttenn

Ruining WOW...

I have a real life as well and can no longer keep up with the time it involves to successfully play WoW.

Same shit as the last expansion...Not Impressed and In fact I will not be playing this lame game anymore, It's purely carebear and It's becoming more carebear every day. This game is a pure waist of time.

Honnestly, why complain that items gets replaced and a level increase? Would you rather have half of the new equipment of the expansion be completely useless to you? If you raided, you had the best Equipment for MONTHS. This expansion is not comming out tommorow. One of the key features of MMO's is to keep rewarding players. Thats why the level cap gets raised, and new equipment gets added. Would you rather have the same equipment and be the same level forever?

I'm only expressing my views on what I think, If you call that complaining then you can go troll somewhere else.

"Death Knights, by scouring the internet and with the help of a guild mate (thanks Solt), I was able to find these anticipated highlights of the this new class"

Way to go, you still have a couple things wrong.

MMORPGs get expansions and the level cap gets increased, thats the way things are. Deal with it.

Ive played this game sense it was in Alpha Beta, Pre Beta, Closed Beta, And Open Beta, Ive also played it sense release and for almost 3 years and 6 months so don't sit here and tell me that I am wrong. Shit if you had to ask your friend about it then that means you are just a newbie who has never played so you're expressions and views don't count unless you have played it for the last hmm...almost 4 years.

Will use a rune resource System!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!

How Rediculous i mean has anyone ever heard of the game runescape?? well in RUNEscape they have these tablets called RUNES that are used to do spells and now BLIZZARD! is going to make a rune resource system wow, omg , wow but i mean MMOs' have been coping other mmo games ideas from the beging because they can no longer decide on what should belong in THEIR game.

no, duh. A prime example is the voice chat Blizzard is implementing into WoW as we speak. They saw a few MMOs upcoming with integrated voice chat and new it was a threat to their business model. So what do they do? Oh lookie, we're putting in voice chat. Puh-lease! 

• Will use a Rune resource system rather than Mana, Rage, or Energy-- choose six
• Blood, Frost, or Unholy runes out of combat that can be consumed for spells, or refreshed by spells and abilities
• Is a complete ripoff of a Warhammer (TM) rune priest.

I was excited about the last expansion.

I doubt I'm even going to buy this one. 

Lovely to see that the thread already contains comments that the game is too carebear'ish, and that it requires too much time. To casual for some, too hardcore for others - sound to me like they got it pretty much right since the complaints are on both sides of the scale. :)

I can't tell the difference between Blizzard and SOE anymore. They both come out with hollow expansions that force more grind and no fun.

SWG showed that a hero class is a bad idea. It is a mistake to have an alpha class in a game.

I will sum up WoW and TBC and any new expansion that will ever come out...

level 1-70, start collecting your first set of gear find out it sucks and you cant pvp with it.  Start running instances collecting gear, then move onto raids collecting even more gear.  Then when bored of collecting pve gear.  Its time to PVP and guess what you can go into instance BG where there is a point right (World pvp died with BGs and the Honor system)?  It wouldnt just be a game of capture the flag or king of the hill I would hope...

Oh no its to collect guess what more gear and if the BG instances isnt enough for you then try your hand at the arena to collect arena gear!  Oh man the fun is endless!  There is nothing to that game what so ever all you do is collect gear.  Dont even try and say different, afk AV lol, AFK all the BGs, exploit the arena to rank up above 1500 each week easy and run instances all for what EPIXS and what will you do when you have them?  That right get ready for the next expansion so you can collect even more gear.  Casual or hardcore doesnt matter same still taste like shit from either side. 

Oh and the new expansion guess what a HERO class that you can do a long ass quest for and level back up and collect gear for.  The expansion sounds ground breaking

Gotta love that MMORPG.COM readership.....

Pretty much all of the complaints above fall in to one of the following "read between the lines categories:

1. "I am burned out on this game and need to discourage myself from playing it without joy by expressing my hatred for it."

2. "I am burned out on this game but am compulsive and must show my hatred for it to avoid falling back in to playing."

3. "I love another game and anything tied in to a more successful franchise scares me so I must attack it."

4. "I spent nine million hours getting my 60 level epic gear and when the new expansion added ten levels of content it showed me what a putz I was for wasting all that time in the first place and so I must hate it."

5. "I have a real life/real job havne't got the time to play and to avoid feeling bad I will express my hate for it."

6. "I like to express my rage through games by pvping till the cows come home and games like this get too touchy feely for me so I must vent my rage by calling it carebearish."

And then there's my own contribution...

"I get so frickin' bored with the grinding and high end crap that it drives me nuts that the new game doesn't cater to the players who prefer the low end questing from 1-60 and so must hate it."

Actually I am looking forward to it, it sounds both cool and horrifically messy all at the same time....

To all above: Joke! Joke! But sriously, we all need to relax. It's just another game, albeit an enormously successful and dangerously addictvie one.

Lol, as someone who is NOT playing WOW (tried it but didnt appeal me) I am surprised people already bash an expansion which isnt even out yet. Or WOW players complaining they raise the level cap. OMG! You are not on the top of the ladder! Cry me a river. Geez, thats the way MMOs work! They bring expansions and eventually raise the level cap from time to time. And just so as a sidenote: you can hardly level faster in any MMO than WOW, so I really dont understand your complains. It gives you a new goal and all you do is complain? Meh, if finally Blizzard would NOT toss levels for free to their players, now THAT would be a day to rejoice. But when its just "moar ov ze zaim" I dont see why any current WOW player should not like it. Blizzard will quite unlikely make real changes or surprises. And why should they. They milk this craptastic game wonderfully.

Well unlike some people here, i like the looks and features of the new exspansion. Like someone said before, lvl cap raising and new exspansions are the ways of mmo's.
I am one of the few who accually dont raid, cant bring up the intrests for it, and i really like the idea of lvling my warlock to lvl 80. I am in a awsome guild, and we help each other out when possible, and if you want to raid you can, and vice versa.

We as a guild are really looking forward to discovering new area's and getting new mount, WoW was good and with the tBC and WotLK we cant wait to explore and conquer this new land.

What about the "New Dances and Hairstyles" that was one of the highlights in the trailer.  That's surely important. :p

I think this expansion will be the beginning of the end.  Not the end of WoW.  But the end meaning that the subs will start declining.

Not that it'll be a bad thing.  I mean the game has peaked.  It's now pushing 3 years and all MMOs (except a select few) generally decline after that.  And with this expansion raising the level cap again, and being more of the same (aside from the hero class) I think it's going to start the gradual decline of popularity.

I'd much rather they create a regular new class that everyone can play without the ridiculous balance issue that'll come up.  The entire hero classes idea was a bad one from the get go.

I'm no longer impressed, I closed 2 accounts, I'm very tired of the end game thats just based on grinding for Honor and gear .. its the worst endgame for any MMO I have played. Ill go back to EQ2 and wait for conan or another game to come out.

The two major bullets to the announcement that really stand out are the Death Knights and Siege Weapons. The new zones, items, dungeons, and monsters (How many renamed and re-colored Murlocs must we deal with) are nice additions but, to be honest, those are to be expected in patches as well as

Im a bit upset about this statement... seen any murlocs in BC?

One of the positive thinks on WOW and Blizzard is that they create some own kind of Monsters... In the old WOW, in BC and surely there will be new kind of Enemys in LICH KING!

I found it always some more creative than just a "Tolkien Copy"-Design.

ROLF...

Most of the posters sound like those beaten wives...you keep complaining and nagging but in the end you always find your way home

You`ve completed all the stages of fucked up marriage...Mystification/adaptation/disillusion/seperation

Originally posted by Winterman

Will use a rune resource System!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!

How Rediculous i mean has anyone ever heard of the game runescape?? well in RUNEscape they have these tablets called RUNES that are used to do spells and now BLIZZARD! is going to make a rune resource system wow, omg , wow but i mean MMOs' have been coping other mmo games ideas from the beging because they can no longer decide on what should belong in THEIR game.

What else is new, from copying Warhammer, Runescape is next.  And oh i forgot something, the in-game voice chat, they copied DDO.  for Pete's sake.

I'm hoping the next thing Blizzard will copy is Vanguard, no make it DnL.

Originally posted by darkjoy

 

One of the positive thinks on WOW and Blizzard is that they create some own kind of Monsters... In the old WOW, in BC and surely there will be new kind of Enemys in LICH KING!

I found it always some more creative than just a "Tolkien Copy"-Design.

The whole Warcraft universe is a rip off of Warhammer man

Some of these complaints are deserved.. however some are just.. pathetic.. to the fool who said Blizzard ripped off DDO by implementing VOIP, think before you make such a ridiculous statement. So DDO developed that sort of technology did it? No. You could say they stole off games like Battlefield 2 or Counter Strike Source? Did they? No.

It's just one of the various technical utilities that have become available, and because Blizzard does something smart and implements it, they are ripping off another company?

Yea. Right.

I would buy this expansion if they didn't raise the level cap. The grinding is one of the only things that keep people going in this game, by adding more levels and pathetically long quest chains to unlock new content Blizzard is achieving their goal. Keeping people playing. It isn't Blizzard's fault that you had to run Kara a gazillion times to get that one piece of gear, it is simply your own. You decided you wanted it and decided you would stop at nothing to get it, not Blizzard.

However that said, the way the game is structured almost forces you to have the best gear to compete with others, which is rediculously time consuming in itself. When I play a game I do it for fun, not to slave or work away for something that will not and will never benefit me off the monitor.

The game still has a lot of potential, Blizzard just seems to refuse to tap into that, adding more levels is forcing players to go through a process many find repetitive as hell. I would love to see a more solid way to level up via PvP in the game, and why not some quests to earn bonus talent points? Introduce some more world campaigns in which players can participate for gear?

Also, many MMO's release massive upgrades to their game worlds every few months, the most Blizzard does is add a new instance that a small percentage of subscribers will see, we see balance issues crop up all the time, and yet it is slowly becoming worse in this aspect.

World of Warcraft was a great game and to many still is, but I just feel in the 3 years I have played the game Blizzard has slowly been nailing it's coffin shut with a lack of community communication and continued desire to stick to narrow minded content that neither benefits themselves or the community.

EDIT: I saw a post a while ago talking about risk, reward, and so on somewhere on these boards, and it said WoW only implements one of these, which is reward. When you offer players only one such thing to play for, in Warcraft's choice, reward, many people have little incentive to play for nothing other than that, and there is a lack of fun factor (although, many enjoy that kind of competition..) Anyone remember the old days of Alterac Valley? Those epic battles that went on for hours? I lived to play those kind of battles, absolutely loved them. Now, I'm lucky to even see the Hippogriffs start flying again.

The above is my opinion. Not yours. Mmmmk?

/end rant.

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Originally posted by Flodgy
Some of these complaints are deserved.. however some are just.. pathetic.. to the fool who said Blizzard ripped off DDO by implementing VOIP, think before you make such a ridiculous statement. So DDO developed that sort of technology did it? No. You could say they stole off games like Battlefield 2 or Counter Strike Source? Did they? No.
It's just one of the various technical utilities that have become available, and because Blizzard does something smart and implements it, they are ripping off another company?
Yea. Right.
I would buy this expansion if they didn't raise the level cap. The grinding is one of the only things that keep people going in this game, by adding more levels and pathetically long quest chains to unlock new content Blizzard is achieving their goal. Keeping people playing. It isn't Blizzard's fault that you had to run Kara a gazillion times to get that one piece of gear, it is simply your own. You decided you wanted it and decided you would stop at nothing to get it, not Blizzard.
However that said, the way the game is structured almost forces you to have the best gear to compete with others, which is rediculously time consuming in itself. When I play a game I do it for fun, not to slave or work away for something that will not and will never benefit me off the monitor.
The game still has a lot of potential, Blizzard just seems to refuse to tap into that, adding more levels is forcing players to go through a process many find repetitive as hell. I would love to see a more solid way to level up via PvP in the game, and why not some quests to earn bonus talent points? Introduce some more world campaigns in which players can participate for gear?
Also, many MMO's release massive upgrades to their game worlds every few months, the most Blizzard does is add a new instance that a small percentage of subscribers will see, we see balance issues crop up all the time, and yet it is slowly becoming worse in this aspect.
World of Warcraft was a great game and to many still is, but I just feel in the 3 years I have played the game Blizzard has slowly been nailing it's coffin shut with a lack of community communication and continued desire to stick to narrow minded content that neither benefits themselves or the community.
EDIT: I saw a post a while ago talking about risk, reward, and so on somewhere on these boards, and it said WoW only implements one of these, which is reward. When you offer players only one such thing to play for, in Warcraft's choice, reward, many people have little incentive to play for nothing other than that, and there is a lack of fun factor (although, many enjoy that kind of competition..) Anyone remember the old days of Alterac Valley? Those epic battles that went on for hours? I lived to play those kind of battles, absolutely loved them. Now, I'm lucky to even see the Hippogriffs start flying again.
The above is my opinion. Not yours. Mmmmk?
/end rant.

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seriously? What people are talking about is the INTEGRATED voice chat, which was done by turbine for DDO first. Honestly though, I'd rather use vent than integrated voice chat.

And old days of alterac valley? bleh. The only fun I had in WoW pvp was open world pvp at tauren mills before the bg's ruined it.(and the crappy honor system)

Originally posted by Flodgy

 Anyone remember the old days of Alterac Valley? Those epic battles that went on for hours? I lived to play those kind of battles, absolutely loved them. Now, I'm lucky to even see the Hippogriffs start flying again.

The above is my opinion. Not yours. Mmmmk?

/end rant.

 

 That was good old days indeed(Zenedar) when  PvP really meant something.I remember once we battled for almost 9 hours,I played for 3 hours then took some rest for 4 hours and when I logged in the next day the battle was still on. Tired players were leaving and fresh one joined in on both side.

Originally posted by daelnor

 

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Originally posted by Flodgy
Some of these complaints are deserved.. however some are just.. pathetic.. to the fool who said Blizzard ripped off DDO by implementing VOIP, think before you make such a ridiculous statement. So DDO developed that sort of technology did it? No. You could say they stole off games like Battlefield 2 or Counter Strike Source? Did they? No.
It's just one of the various technical utilities that have become available, and because Blizzard does something smart and implements it, they are ripping off another company?
Yea. Right.
I would buy this expansion if they didn't raise the level cap. The grinding is one of the only things that keep people going in this game, by adding more levels and pathetically long quest chains to unlock new content Blizzard is achieving their goal. Keeping people playing. It isn't Blizzard's fault that you had to run Kara a gazillion times to get that one piece of gear, it is simply your own. You decided you wanted it and decided you would stop at nothing to get it, not Blizzard.
However that said, the way the game is structured almost forces you to have the best gear to compete with others, which is rediculously time consuming in itself. When I play a game I do it for fun, not to slave or work away for something that will not and will never benefit me off the monitor.
The game still has a lot of potential, Blizzard just seems to refuse to tap into that, adding more levels is forcing players to go through a process many find repetitive as hell. I would love to see a more solid way to level up via PvP in the game, and why not some quests to earn bonus talent points? Introduce some more world campaigns in which players can participate for gear?
Also, many MMO's release massive upgrades to their game worlds every few months, the most Blizzard does is add a new instance that a small percentage of subscribers will see, we see balance issues crop up all the time, and yet it is slowly becoming worse in this aspect.
World of Warcraft was a great game and to many still is, but I just feel in the 3 years I have played the game Blizzard has slowly been nailing it's coffin shut with a lack of community communication and continued desire to stick to narrow minded content that neither benefits themselves or the community.
EDIT: I saw a post a while ago talking about risk, reward, and so on somewhere on these boards, and it said WoW only implements one of these, which is reward. When you offer players only one such thing to play for, in Warcraft's choice, reward, many people have little incentive to play for nothing other than that, and there is a lack of fun factor (although, many enjoy that kind of competition..) Anyone remember the old days of Alterac Valley? Those epic battles that went on for hours? I lived to play those kind of battles, absolutely loved them. Now, I'm lucky to even see the Hippogriffs start flying again.
The above is my opinion. Not yours. Mmmmk?
/end rant.

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seriously? What people are talking about is the INTEGRATED voice chat, which was done by turbine for DDO first. Honestly though, I'd rather use vent than integrated voice chat.

And old days of alterac valley? bleh. The only fun I had in WoW pvp was open world pvp at tauren mills before the bg's ruined it.(and the crappy honor system)

If you'd rather use Vent, good for you, that's your preference, this is Blizzards attempt at making things more compatible and integrated with their game.

Open world PvP was a blast too, and AV was the closest thing we ever had to a proper quest based PvP scenario, and back then it did a pretty good job, but as said. My opinion, and I know for a fact many others share it, just like many share yours.

Overall the Battlegrounds were a disaster with the new honour system, but hell, the damage has been done eh?

How is this an opinion article? It's an "these are the announced features" article. I saw very little opinion.

Blizzard has really jumped the shark on this one...... Meanwhile SOE  continues to refine Everquest 2,  and the population continues to grow. Will it ever have 9 million? Nope  but as we can see quantity doesn’t mean quality.

Originally posted by martinj63

Blizzard has really jumped the shark on this one...... Meanwhile SOE  continues to refine Everquest 2,  and the population continues to grow. Will it ever have 9 million? Nope  but as we can see quantity doesn’t mean quality.

Sigh.

Too many people, unexperienced people keep complaining about World of Warcraft being some cheap poor quality game. First of all i'll just say this in reply to martin's post, Blizzard are well known for polishing off their games and that's what makes them the best quality. If you wish to sit here and say SOE can do better then may I direct your attention to SWG and EQ1. Expansion after expansion, aswell as revamps that changed the whole game. That's not polishing is it ? no, it's not.

To the actual topic at hand, I think new expansions are always great as long as the current game is good enough for players to enjoy (no bugs, no exploits, etc). The only reason people are complaining is because they went and completed all the content as fast as they could, rather then enjoying it and thanking blizzard for a wonderful game they've made and kept updated until now.

Let's hope they attempt to have more focus on activties that don't get you items, things that people do for FUN without the reward. This could happen in PvP and maybe for PvE if their designers are smart and know how things work (which I think most are). Implementing siege was a good and bad idea. Yes, it is new content that will keep the PvPers happy but if it isn't designed correctly (ie, outdoors or indoors, timers on using them, overpowered.) they could be digging a hole for PvP.

My 2cents, not urs.

btw at the comment "Blizzard announces World of Warcraft expansion. Chinese gold farmers rejoice. (Let's face it higher levels mean more gold, Burning Crusade proved that)." . We all know quantity doesn't mean everything, it's the demand and time spent getting it which counts. There's no need to be rude.. anywhere.

I immediately stopped playing WoW and cancelled the subscription upon hearing about this expansion. I wasn't impressed at all by The Burning Crusade, and the changes it had brought to all the classes. I played on the Europe servers, and felt the increased level cap had hurt PVP, as it seperated players between those who owned the expansion, and those who did not. This expansion with it's level cap of 80 is a bad idea.

Dark Age of Camelot had a much better approach for bringing new content to high level characters, instead of increasing the level cap and thus seperating players in the PVP field, it introduced champion levels, those who were level 50 and had no champion levels, and those who were level 50 and were champion level 10 could still face one another in RVR. Champion levels did not unbalance the game in anyway, as the abilities gained from each champion level were not as potent as the abilties from the classes.

at least he is honest.  they need more articles like that.

Originally posted by SonofSeth

Hahahahaha, the only crowd dumber than WoW players are the ex-WoW players...  hahahaha

Over generalizing much are we?

I do agree with the persont hat said that AV was better before it was nerfed to death. I call that AV Classic (in homage to the New Coke fiasco back in the 80s). I think that Blizzard has spent too much time listening to players and making bad changes. The game was so much better when MC was the only raid, TM and the Crossroads were the sights of huge PvP battles, and there weren't a hundred different factions to grind rep for.

I like the increase of the level cap and that will keep me playing, unless WAR or AOC provide me with more fun for a long period of time.

Originally posted by Faelan

 

Originally posted by SonofSeth

Hahahahaha, the only crowd dumber than WoW players are the ex-WoW players...  hahahaha

 

Over generalizing much are we?

No, not realy. If you read the posts you can see that WoW players are well aware of shortcomings of WoW and they know why they are playing and why they're having fun. These new fresh baked WoW burnouts are the ones I find rediciluos. I mean, they don't even know how stupid it sounds when someone writes something like "I've been playing this game from beta and I know what I'm talking about, it sucks, it's a grind, it's boring, it's shallow"  Man, if it took you 3 years to find out you don't like something while playing it hours and hours every day.... must I say more?

Originally posted by Gameloading

 One of the key features of MMO's is to keep rewarding players. Thats why the level cap gets raised, and new equipment gets added. Would you rather have the same equipment and be the same level forever?

As to equipment, there are ways to add new equipment that doesn't completely invalidate everything that came before it.... sure DAOC has lots of new gear, yet...some folks are still using player crafted items and TOA weapons and such that were created over 3 years ago.  Every expansion doesn't have to be in huge increments..... first release...swords have +5 bonuses, next expansion, bump them up to max of  +6.

Out of the box thinking keeps games more creative and fun IMO, which is one reason why I no longer play WOW, since those two elements are sorely missing from my perspective.

The expansion will be more of the same.  And why not?  Look how many people bought TBC.... which was really more of the same than the new exp will be.  Blizzard would be crazy to vary from the formula that has brought so much success thus far. 

One day, it will come back to haunt them, and then once people start moving on they'll be more receptive to experimenting with the game model, but for now, don't look for a lot of variety. 

People who continue to play WOW all the while claiming to hate this aspect of it, or because they can't find a better game need to realize they are the problem...as long as Blizz gets your sub fee....they don't need to cater to your whims.

Originally posted by Maggotscream

 

Originally posted by martinj63

Blizzard has really jumped the shark on this one...... Meanwhile SOE  continues to refine Everquest 2,  and the population continues to grow. Will it ever have 9 million? Nope  but as we can see quantity doesn’t mean quality.

Sigh.

 

Too many people, unexperienced people keep complaining about World of Warcraft being some cheap poor quality game. First of all i'll just say this in reply to martin's post, Blizzard are well known for polishing off their games and that's what makes them the best quality. If you wish to sit here and say SOE can do better then may I direct your attention to SWG and EQ1. Expansion after expansion, aswell as revamps that changed the whole game. That's not polishing is it ? no, it's not.

Sigh.

Another disingenuous response designed to negate an opinion without directly addressing it. The person you responded to specifically said "SOE continues to refine Everquest 2". Everquest 2. Not SWG and EQ1. I don't think anyone refutes that they screwed the pooch with SWG and I suppose EQ1 is subjective, as there's still plenty of people playing it. However, the poster didn't mentione either of those. They specifically mentioned EQ2, which has, by various accounts (ie. player, website and magazines), continued to improve and become more "refined" over time. So if you have a gripe with their comment, at least make sure you have a gripe with it for what they do say, not for what they don't. And before you say it, no, I am not a "SOE fanboy". I've played EQ2 and it doesn't keep my interest, however I acknowledge that the game is enjoying a increase in overall quality and popularity over time, especially compared to its earlier months.

And what's with the "unexperienced" [sic] comment? How do you know the poster's "experience" level with MMOs? Are you incapable of disagreeing without using dismissive comments like that to try and diminish someone else's point-of-view to make yours seem more "right"?

To me this sounds like a great expansion.

I am a hardcore mmorpg player, but took many breaks from WoW.

What this expeansion will do is even the playing feeld again, between the hardcore and the casual players.

Me like that.

Furthermore, I liked TBC alot, especially to road from 60 to 70 and the new Open World PvP objectives.

Also in the new expansion there will be siege engines and destructible world pvp objectives, I mean yummy, this means that WAR will have to deliver a true RvR game or people will just stick with WoW.

Greetingz

I, for one, am looking forward to it.

And I'll make sure I spell "since" and "ridiculous" correctly. Yay me.

Originally posted by Maggotscream

 
Sigh.

 

Too many people, unexperienced people keep complaining about World of Warcraft being some cheap poor quality game. First of all i'll just say this in reply to martin's post, Blizzard are well known for polishing off their games and that's what makes them the best quality. If you wish to sit here and say SOE can do better then may I direct your attention to SWG and EQ1. Expansion after expansion, aswell as revamps that changed the whole game. That's not polishing is it ? no, it's not.

 

Actually SOE is doing better with EQ II. They have been cranking out quality expansion after quality expansion while Blizzard basically has given its fan base a really bad copy of Planes of Power, and forced Raid or die on a demographic that  has no interest in Raiding.

Yes you can cling to the mistakes of Lucasarts, and Brad McQuaids EQ 1 development team.(We can all see now after the Sigil fiasco that the problems with EQ 1 wasn’t so much SOE they were more the vision of McQuaids)  But the current EQ II team has taken a broken unfun product and has refined it  until it is actually one of the few MMOs worth the subscription price. 

Diametrically Blizzard took a fun game and turned it into a tedious unfun grindfest...Tigole and the gang seem to be bound and determined to make WoW that game they cried and bitched about for so many years...EQ.. Yes Blizzard may dominate the world market, but they are losing there North American base, If you take to ten U.S. WoW players Nine of them are either on there last month or waiting for <Insert next MMMO here>. 

Originally posted by SonofSeth

Originally posted by Faelan

 

Originally posted by SonofSeth

Hahahahaha, the only crowd dumber than WoW players are the ex-WoW players...  hahahaha

 

Over generalizing much are we?

No, not realy. If you read the posts you can see that WoW players are well aware of shortcomings of WoW and they know why they are playing and why they're having fun. These new fresh baked WoW burnouts are the ones I find rediciluos. I mean, they don't even know how stupid it sounds when someone writes something like "I've been playing this game from beta and I know what I'm talking about, it sucks, it's a grind, it's boring, it's shallow"  Man, if it took you 3 years to find out you don't like something while playing it hours and hours every day.... must I say more?

You don't get it. You stated that the only crowd dumber than WoW players are the ex-wow players. There are many ex-WoW players and by your definition as quoted above, they're all dumb, or at least dumber than WoW players, relatively speaking.

What about the ex-WoW player who tried the game for a month, decided it wasn't his cup of tea and then left? Is he dumb as well? There are many reasons for leaving WoW. Burnout is one of them, but not the only one. Far from.

Judging from your subsequent reply, that wasn't really what you meant to say, nor did I take it as such. What you should have said, was "the only crowd dumber than WoW players are the burned out ex-WoW players". That's all I meant by "over generalizing" and that's why I put in a little smiley at the end

You're right though and it's kinda sad that so many burned out players don't realize that and just goes on and on about how bad the game is.

Oh well...

Such is the life of MMOs...

Originally posted by martinj63

 

Yes Blizzard may dominate the world market, but they are losing there North American base, If you take to ten U.S. WoW players Nine of them are either on there last month or waiting for <Insert next MMMO here>. 

Not trying to defend Blizzard or calling you a liar, but where does that nine in ten figure come from? It just seems too extreme to make sense that so many people are on the verge of quitting.

I'm most likely not gonna bother with this expansion.  I mean seriously...  New gear comes out way too quick as it is.  We replace gear like nothing after busting our ass for it.  If anyone does decide to take a break they are so far behind, it's tough to find people to play with.   I also don't want to deal with these rep grinds anymore.  Who really wants 10 more reps to grind?  Also, there isn't enough PvP content to keep me playing. 

I've been playing the  3 battlegrounds since they came out.  They only added 1 new one so far, and only plan on adding 1 more for this expansion.  Arena is fun but there are only 3 maps.  Arena also forces you to create teams with the perfect class setup.  This causes friends to stop playing together so they can join/make the best team (unless all of your friends are the right class).  We wanted world pvp, and what did they give us?  A bunch of shitty outdoor BGs.  Who wants to play outdoors AB for a shitty buff (yes the outland rewards better, but in WoW decent rewards dont make people play.  people dont pvp for fun, strictly rewards... sad i know)?  What was the point of removing DKs?  When we asked for world pvp we wanted to have objectives involving major cities (IF, Org, etc) that had some affect on the world.  Now they have this "PvP Zone" that will affect the world (or northrend i forget).  IMO this zone will just be decent.  The only way I see many people playing is if it has rewards.

This expansion could have been about fun (OMG!), instead of the same bullshit.  WoW is all about gear.  This is IMO WoW's major fault.  How many people actually do things for fun vs doing things for gear/power?  Instead of adding new levels and adding more tiers and shit, they could've been working on how to make this game more fun.  Don't get me wrong.  Everything is fun the first few times...  but let's be honest.  Did you really enjoy running that instance 100 times to get that item?  Anyway, yeah...  I don't like the direction WoW has been going for a while now.  I canceled my account yesterday.  I might come back, but I highly doubt it.  I think MMO makers need to realize that most people want to have fun, not just level up and get gear.  I will say it again (as in some other posts lol), IT'S TWO THOUSAND FUCKING SEVEN!  It's time to move passed the same shit that's been going down for years.  I can understand that we don't have flying cars yet... but I can't understand why MMOs haven't evolved much.  COME ON!

Originally posted by Faelan

 

Originally posted by martinj63

 

Yes Blizzard may dominate the world market, but they are losing there North American base, If you take to ten U.S. WoW players Nine of them are either on there last month or waiting for <Insert next MMMO here>. 

 

Not trying to defend Blizzard or calling you a liar, but where does that nine in ten figure come from? It just seems too extreme to make sense that so many people are on the verge of quitting.

I'm with Faelan on this one - not claiming one thing or the other myself, but when I see numbers posted (especially doom-sayer ones) for any game I get sceptical. Cough up some sources or this is simply BS.

Originally posted by Faelan

 

 

"the only crowd dumber than WoW players are the burned out ex-WoW players".

Oh well...

Such is the life of MMOs...

well i can't wait for it, i seem to never get bored with the game, that's probably becuase i play to have fun, and it seems people nowadays can't have fun if they aren't the supreme best over everyone else.  blizzard has a lot of tastes to please and i think they do the best they can...why even get so angry  over something that doesn't matter in anyway at all...i just don't get it, anyways go find a fun game and quit hating on wow, its never going away till, blizzard decides, you gonna sit here for years crying about it?  if so have fun i guess hehe.

LoL... 

Personally I think all of you are speaking way over your head about this.  For someone who has been apart of Blizzards' WoW since the Release, I will probably be the only Optimistic commentary on this subject..lawl.

1) Getting to lvl 60 was an accomplishment.  Getting Epics was not  a waste of time.  For being on a server who's Guild is ranked in the top 20, Raiding in the 60's was competitive.  It's more then about the Epics.  It's about the Adventure, the Challenge, the Strategy, Teamwork, And Fun.  The fact that you all  complain about loosing those epics -  the waste of time.  You still had  a chance to play with those epics, and all things must come to end.  I guess the more important moral in this is that you played through 60 actuallly being able to raid.  some people never had that opportunity.  Server Stonemaul - Guild A Team.  This guild was complete with every instance/raid  on farm status gaining gear so fast that it put them on the map as one of the greatest guilds WoW has ever seen.   And today at 70.  They are still on top of the server as the farthest, fastest, and most competitive guild in that server.  And thats what its about.  Not once did they complain about loosing epics because they knew they were going to get better gear eventually ( Like 2 weeks later when they all hit 70 -_- and was already attuned for Kara)  .

2) WLK - Shut up about it =D if you have nothing good to say about it.   As far as we know, this could be the BC of WoW, or it could be the new 1-60; You know, the feeling you had when you first opened the box and pulled those CDs and was pumped to get to 60.  I'm sure WLK  will have more released info in the future. Surely more Hero Classes.  80 man raids (Maybe.. lol jk jk..)  Maybe Hunters get funky skills in which they can combine Aim shots (Kind of like Ghostbusters - Crossing the Streams )  doing quad the damage causing destruction within a 2 mile radius.. Er..  And some crazy sh*t like that.  The truth is that we can't judge the next expansion as the next BC..   The enviroment looks stable in this one.  A full land of Ice and snow. not walking through a swamp marsh and all the sudden your in a volcano, then some lush forestry, to some spikey lookin mountians, then to some undead lookin lands where rot lives amongst the soil.  And I want to stab the Lich king in the Face. Thats my purpose for continueing on.  Who else wants to stab the Lich King in the Face?.. I mean, what would feel better then to conquer a whole world? Right? lol I > Lich King.  IMA CASTIN MY FIREBALL!11

Yeah! What He/she Said!  And/or Stuff.  o_O

Originally posted by Faelan

 

 

Not trying to defend Blizzard or calling you a liar, but where does that nine in ten figure come from? It just seems too extreme to make sense that so many people are on the verge of quitting.

Yeah hard numbers really can't be given, and in fairness I should have prefaced that with a "It Seems" but there is the steady stream of converts that  you see in ooc in EQ 2, the fact that only a fraction of players even purchased BC compared to the original game, and the plethora of I quit/I can't wait  for X game post on the WoW forums. 

I don't think that any rational person can claim that WoW has a content fan base; especially if you compare them to LOTRO, EQ II or even EQ's fan base.  And it really has nothing to do with size of population. LOTRO has a sizeable demographic, as EQ II dose...heck even EQ is chugging along, but look at there forums...you don't see the dissatisfaction to outright loathing you do from the WoW community.  I'm not saying the game will die...I'm saying  that it is basically going to follow Starcarfts footsteps, have a Rabid fanbase in the Asian market and a ever decreasing one in the Western market.

Originally posted by martinj63

Originally posted by Faelan

 

 

Not trying to defend Blizzard or calling you a liar, but where does that nine in ten figure come from? It just seems too extreme to make sense that so many people are on the verge of quitting.

 

Yeah hard numbers really can't be given, and in fairness I should have prefaced that with a "It Seems" but there is the steady stream of converts that  you see in ooc in EQ 2, the fact that only a fraction of players even purchased BC compared to the original game, and the plethora of I quit/I can't wait  for X game post on the WoW forums. 

 

I don't think that any rational person can claim that WoW has a content fan base; especially if you compare them to LOTRO, EQ II or even EQ's fan base.  And it really has nothing to do with size of population. LOTRO has a sizeable demographic, as EQ II dose...heck even EQ is chugging along, but look at there forums...you don't see the dissatisfaction to outright loathing you do from the WoW community.  I'm not saying the game will die...I'm saying  that it is basically going to follow Starcarfts footsteps, have a Rabid fanbase in the Asian market and a ever decreasing one in the Western market.

if by "fraction who bought the expension" you mean about 80-90% you're probably right, as for dissatisfied players, i dare say most of the people who do enjoy WoW do not bother to post about it, they just go on to have fun in it (and for a few millions subscribers, i expects even if 1% are dissattisfied and bother to post about it, that's well over the population of most other MMOs)

and to be honest, it wasn't a good article, more of a "take some points off the blizz official publish and quote them" (PLUS, judging by some of the remarks of the writer, he's actually pretty negative on WoW as it is)

martinj63 - you just cant help but be ignorant can you.

You say that Burning Crudade was only purchased by a fraction of the player base but when BC was released WoW had 4 million subscribers in the US and Europe. A month after BCs release it had sold 3.5 million copies.

So, I guess the fraction you were speaking of is 7/8.

Won't even comment on basing your assumption that 9 out of 10 Americans ready to quit WoW because of message boards posts.

Originally posted by Xiaoki

martinj63 - you just cant help but be ignorant can you.

You say that Burning Crudade was only purchased by a fraction of the player base but when BC was released WoW had 4 million subscribers in the US and Europe. A month after BCs release it had sold 3.5 million copies.

So, I guess the fraction you were speaking of is 7/8.

Won't even comment on basing your assumption that 9 out of 10 Americans ready to quit WoW because of message boards posts.

Well it took longer  for the  Blizzard Viral Marketers to show up than it usually does.  http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/02/10

Originally posted by martinj63

Originally posted by Xiaoki

martinj63 - you just cant help but be ignorant can you.

You say that Burning Crudade was only purchased by a fraction of the player base but when BC was released WoW had 4 million subscribers in the US and Europe. A month after BCs release it had sold 3.5 million copies.

So, I guess the fraction you were speaking of is 7/8.

Actually the worlwide player base was 7 million and BC sold  2.5 million., ergo fraction.