On most servers RvR has been killed off with this patch.

Now one side are all in LOTD and the other side outside. The side inside are PvEing the PQs/instances. The side outside are PvEing the keeps/forts. Once the side outside has done enough PvE to get the resources they need the zone flips. There is about 10-15 min of great RvR in LOTD and then most of the original side in there is dead and things inside settle down to a PvE grind with the odd gank. The people outside now start the keep/fort PvE to get back in .

This wont get better in the future.

Even in a few months time, many of the players on the side with access will be in LOTD. This means the players from their side outside of LOTD will be heavily out numbered in RvR. As we all know when one side is heavily out numbered they tend to leave.

Its sad but Mythic could just have killed RvR in Warhammer.

The concept worked in DAOC because there were 3 factions so there were always two factions outside that could fight each other.

Although I see your point, it's not entirely accurate, atleast on my server (I say 'my server' because I own it). Last night, on the first day of Land of the Dead debut, yes, a lot of Order were in the LOTD zone, but the implemented mechanic has it so that the opposing force, Destruction, has to gain enough Expedition Resources through RvR (T4 and Player kills) to gain access to the LOTD. Destruction was almost at the point of sacking Altdorf because not a lot of people were protecting it. That's just it though, if they WANT to keep access to the LOTD, Order will rush back to the main lands and fight to keep it. You know, even wars have intermissions.

Seems like EA timed the release of LOTD to try to overshadow the real news of Jacobs getting canned.  

Originally posted by xSaintx

That's just it though, if they WANT to keep access to the LOTD, Order will rush back to the main lands and fight to keep it. You know, even wars have intermissions.

That's not how the system works I believe.   While the winning side is in the LOTD,  the opposite side will be gathering resources to gain access by capturing the undefended zones.    Even if the winning side goes back to defend the zones, th other side already has a head start because the winning sides resources are reset.    And as long as the winning side is wasting their time defending the zones, they can't take part in the actual LOTD content. The system is *designed* to flip ownership of the LOTD.   

herald.warhammeronline.com/patchnotes/index.php

It's easy to understand why you didn't follow this, it's not a very clear system.  

I have to agree RVR is dead and this patch killed it. I do however think it was by design though. Mythic just could not fix RVR, and they had  a lot of people asking for more PVE...so we have LOD. The content is incredibly fun, but I can see it getting old fast. There are no easy answers to what is going to happen in the future, but I can pretty much promise it will be PVE centric.

How did this kill RvR? Honestly asking as I'm unfamiliar with what is going on. I enjoyed the PQ and PvE and the way that PvP was mixed in but didn't stay with it for long mainly for the lack of other things to do like crafting.

It's pretty short sighted to say RvR was 'killed'.  Of course everyone is concentrating on LotD now.  It has been out like two days.  When the shinies wear off people will be doing both.  Mythic already stated that it was put in to give players choices and that's what it does.

Having played for 5 months, this patch made me cancel my sub.

Dont like the direction of the game anymore. I pay to PvP on a massive scale. Not more content for PvE (Mostly), while Tier 4 is still laggy as hell with a 5-10 sec delay in Forts.

Had great fun while I was there, but untill something changes for T4 RvR Ill speak with my wallet :)

Originally posted by kazamx

 

The concept worked in DAOC because there were 3 factions so there were always two factions outside that could fight each other.

Yeah, it seems like they're trying to implement Darkness Falls (which was one of the best areas in DAoC) in WAR.  Except they're missing one integral piece - the other faction.  For Darkness Falls to work, one faction would be reaping the rewards (watching their backs for nightshades/infiltrators/shadowblades of course) while the other two factions warred it out for control. 

The problem here is that it will be back and forth until LoTD is sapped dry.  Then, it will be back to the same, it seems. 

Originally posted by natuxatu

How did this kill RvR? Honestly asking as I'm unfamiliar with what is going on. I enjoyed the PQ and PvE and the way that PvP was mixed in but didn't stay with it for long mainly for the lack of other things to do like crafting.

I think it just appeared this patch killed oRvR because Mythic allowed only one side access to the zone yesterday when it was released.   That resulted in the winning side all rushing into the LOTD last night and ignoring as the losing side waltzed through all the undefended oRVR zones.    

Tonight I played again and there was some oRvR (actually in the LOTD zone) as well as Scenarios popping again.     I have no idea how there were enemy players the LOTD zone because my side was still in control of it.   The whole system seems overly compllcated but it did allow for some oRVR fighting tonight at least.    

Lower tiers were bumping last night on my server. (Iron Rock)

Good 100-150 people battling it out in ORvR in Empire/Chaos Tier 1.

Scenarios popped quick and got some good PQ groups rolling.

If anything this patch has breathed new life into WAR for those of us coming back.

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

 

Seems like EA timed the release of LOTD to try to overshadow the real news of Jacobs getting canned.  

Originally posted by xSaintx

That's just it though, if they WANT to keep access to the LOTD, Order will rush back to the main lands and fight to keep it. You know, even wars have intermissions.

That's not how the system works I believe.   While the winning side is in the LOTD,  the opposite side will be gathering resources to gain access by capturing the undefended zones.    Even if the winning side goes back to defend the zones, th other side already has a head start because the winning sides resources are reset.    And as long as the winning side is wasting their time defending the zones, they can't take part in the actual LOTD content. The system is *designed* to flip ownership of the LOTD.   

herald.warhammeronline.com/patchnotes/index.php

It's easy to understand why you didn't follow this, it's not a very clear system.  

Or maybe, just maybe, they timed the canning of Jacobs to the release of LOTD? Which one seems easier to coordinate?

Also, 99% of the resources gained are tied to zone flips. I think 2 T4 zone flips will flip LOTD. By preventing the zone flip, you keep it longer. I haven't seen either realm score more than a few points off the looted resources. Yes, whoever is out there doing it isn't going to be in LOTD, obviously. It's great if you want to farm the other realm at your keep though.

Originally posted by Rodentofdoom

Having played for 5 months, this patch made me cancel my sub.

Dont like the direction of the game anymore. I pay to PvP on a massive scale. Not more content for PvE (Mostly), while Tier 4 is still laggy as hell with a 5-10 sec delay in Forts.

Had great fun while I was there, but untill something changes for T4 RvR Ill speak with my wallet :)

You really screwed up, because you're looking at it completely backwards. Last night I saw some of the best RvR I've seen since the game launched. If you want PvP on a massive scale, look no farther than LOTD when one realm takes control. When Order on Iron Rock lost control last night around 11 central we grouped up in our war camp(well over 100 of us) and headed out to crush Destruction. We pushed them back fighting from the quay all the way up the trail until we could push any farther due to the warcamp guards. More Destruction poured in and they finally broke through and beat us down, but it was well over an hour after they gained control. The horde of destro that ran over my corpse was simply massive by normal RvR standards, easily 140+. The crazy part? Until the 200+ people bottled together right by the Destruction war camp I was not lagging at all. The zone can take a ton of people fighting in it in close quarters without being effected, and I have no doubt that with the same numbers but spread farther around the zone or farther from the warcamps what little lag there was would have been gone.

I spent a good 8 hours in LOTD yesterday and half of that was out in RvR. Even getting wiped out is a blast if you do it right. For example, there's a boat by the river that you can jump on that has a large area of LOS blocked, it makes a fantastic last stand for a group or warband to face down the zerg and see how many you can take out. There's also the tunnel system in the Necropolis and tons of little hidey holes scattered for your group to harrass from and retreat to.

Compare that with a typical night of RvEing BOs, camping/being camped at your warcamp, and lagging to hell while 100 of you try to kill a warband holding a rank 7 keep. That's a normal night of RvR. I'm in this game for the fight, and before LOTD there was no fight, just a bunch of people with walls between them lagging to hell while everyone else plays muscial BOs.

That sounds interesting.

Wow! What will they talk about ? I 'm eager to know it !