"Will Titan or WoW abolish raiding because SW:TOR doesn’t have it?"

Are you playing the same SW: TOR that I am ? Or was my raid last night in TOR a figment of my imagination ? Or possibly the additional raid content annouced for the 1st content patch a mirage ?

You lost me at this sentence. Please learn about the game you are playing before you write about it.

i played wow for years... it was a good game in its day. its just tired now. i had to delete all my toons and just make a clean break from the habit.

i am enjoying star wars.. its not a wow clone any more than wow was an everquest clone. its an mmo. no more.... no less. we as gamers need to just get back to basics and stop being so jaded. just enjoy the games for what they are... entertainment. its not a lifestyle. 

i have learned to not blow through levels and just sit back and enjoy being my character. there is a ton to do in swtor... most of it is undiscovered if you are just chasing levels. the same was true for wow and city of heroes and all the others. you have to slow down and really play... not just powerlevel

swtor is my game of choice. for how long? well... like i said with wow... i am going to enjoy it for as long as its enjoyable. 

Is Lucas going to deal the killing blow to WoW

Nope, Blizzard's current staff is handling that one.  It'll take some more time beating on the dead horse's corpse (possibly years, maybe just Pandas) before the end comes, but without a complete change in senior magagement--the end was already on the way years ago.

I cant find in me the power to deny the force within the Star wars IP, i love it, you love it, everyone with a kind link to the world of dream and imagination (one may call it "creative intelect") loves Star Wars.

But we are not talking about the movies here, or the books, or even the lore itself, we are talking about a game that falls into a segmented niche of the gaming market, wich is what the mmorpg genre is.

I stood too many times in those lines, where people gathered up to contemplate the next "WoW killer", too many times i heaard the song being sung, and while i did played all of those potential candidates and found greatness in them, the test of time remained encumbered by its true and only nemesis, WoW.

While i find SWTOR launch to be a remakable one, i find some disturbance in the force telling me that it will not survive that test. So, and briefly, SWTOR will shake the bee hive a little bit, as WAR did, as AOC did, as LotRO did, as AION did, as RIFT did, but, and as nature follows its path, the little bees will return to their hive and their busy little and confortable life....

....and who can blame them? I most certainly dont.

Originally posted by Icewhite

Is Lucas going to deal the killing blow to WoW

Nope, Blizzard's current staff is handling that one.  

This ^

I don't think anyone is as committed to a single game as they used to be when the horizon wasn't as plentiful with options as it is now.  Most everyone is going to try out GW2 when it hits the streets whether they are diehard fans of any particular game or not.  I think people ONLY go back to WoW because they believe their friends to still be there waiting for them.  That and the fact that they sit on the top tier of everything by default... no need to work for anything, just maintain the status quo.  In a new MMO, you have to rebuild all that from scratch... some people just don't have the desire to work that hard at it again for the umpteenth time.  In that I mean, they've leveled countless toons in WoW, so the notion of doing same elsewhere is really more like sticking needles in one's eyes than an actual fun proposition.  Of course, the said would be true if the coin were flipped and it was SWTOR that has been around for 7 years and WoW only 2 weeks.  I don't think WoW is any where near as great as the pedestal it's been put on, I think it's nostalgia that colors the glasses one sees through.

The only thing Lucas Arts has ever managed to do is kill their own games.  I don't expect that will change with SWTOR.

Can you guys wait a few months before making such crazy statement ?  I mean the game is not even a month old, peoples are still on their first free month.  Let's see how the population goes once they need to pay 15$ per month to keep playing a game that is so shallow.

i for one hope that WoW will NEVEr die.. it keeps the wowheads in one place and out of my game.

i have 10years worth of stories with my old (mmo friends) that is NOT contained to ONE game.. and a plethora of memories we recollect together.. not the same rehash over and over in the same package. But they all weave together and form one long awesome story of friendship, that alone is worth more than "loyalty" to one game.

Then again we are more like locusts that go from game to game and devour the content and then move on to the next one instead of limiting myself to one single experience.

but each to his one, but i still fail to find any point of this article...

   Heh , really now? TOR the WoW killer?    Remind me again how many copies have SWtor sold up to now?  And remind me again on how many copies Skyrim sold in the same period of time?   *Looks over at WoW Population*   Yep , WoW is far from dead , especially with D3 / TL2 coming out soon , that will just fuel up their numbers. 

   It's funny because if STO had as much work put into as SWtor , we wouldn't be having this discussion on how SWtor is good , but how SWtor is on life support due to a awful release. Because let's face it , Star Wars and Star Trek fans were and always will be at war.  So if SWtor is any MMO killer , it's most likely killing STO.  To even point out that it will kill WoW is lame and silly.

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Originally posted by Aguitha
Can you guys wait a few months before making such crazy statement ?  I mean the game is not even a month old, peoples are still on their first free month.  Let's see how the population goes once they need to pay 15$ per month to keep playing a game that is so shallow.

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I agree and a very WEAK attemp by MMORPG.COM STAFF to another attemp to hype SWTOR its a bit SAD realy.

Not by a longshot SWTORis comming close at moment to WoW so what are you brabbeling about MMORPG STAFF?

So far big winner of 2011 even here on mmorpg.com(making topics yourself about a sologame) is SKYRIM way ahead of SWTOR of sold copys.

More then 9 million copys sold of SKYRIM so far and not even digital numbers included so prolly even over 10million.

WOW is killing itself.  If not for the moronic changes to the game TOR would have been zero threat to it.  However GC seems determined to come up with the worst ideas iin history and kill his own business.  That said I think in 3 months we will see who really comes out on top.  Judging this by launch numbers of a game everyone knew would have huge box numbers is a bit silly.  Sub counts will be what matters.

Originally posted by parrotpholk

Sub counts will be what matters.

That's statement just gave me chills.

Yes, the ad numerum (based on sub numbers) drives the gamer herd back and forth.

But surely at least some people are doing more than playing follow the leader?

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by parrotpholk

Sub counts will be what matters.

That's statement just gave me chills.

Yes, the ad numerum (based on sub numbers) drives the gamer herd back and forth.

But surely at least some people are doing more than playing follow the leader?

Thats what WOW was judged by all these years and TOR will be no different in how it is judged.  Herd mentality though persists everywhere.  If your friends play then the likely hood of you at least trying it out are greater.  

I'm going to be perfectly honest. It's time for WoW to fall by the wayside. Until it does, the industry will never reach beyond WoW. Yes SWTOR is a chance, but only a chance. It doesn't do enough different to really move us into the next generation of MMO's. 

Don't get me wrong. I LOVE SWTOR. I'm playing the heck out of it and I can't get enough. But there are some things seriously lacking in the game, just like in every other game released in the last five years. Things like an alterable map (one that you can write on and mark  ) have been requested for years by the gamers, and things like proper housing haven't existed since SWG and EQ2. That's only a couple of small things, but I said them to make a point.

Will SWTOR have them? That remains to be seen. I have faith in Bioware. They are my favorite game company, and they have EARNED the right to have me give them a chance to make this into the single best MMO ever released, even if it takes them years to do it. 

But to get back to my point, this industry will never offer more than it is, or become more than it is, until they stop basing games around 1995 technology and the WoW paradigm. It's time to move to the next generation. And nothing that is being offered, including SWTOR, is it. 

Both are good games. One is older.

The best thing Blizzard could have done at the last Blizzcon was announce Titan. They didn't do this and they are going to have to deal with the consequences of not having done so.

There is no chance that TOR is going to kill off WoW in the next 24 months... WoW is too strong of a brand at this point.

I do think that GW:2's launch will be a problem for Blizzard if it hasn't done something innovative and dynamic by then though.

SWTOR has as much chance of killing WoW as Lady Gaga has of winning Best Dressed.  Sure, they're both pretty enough in their own way, but it isn't like either one of them will ever care enough about winning to really put forth the effort it takes.

SWTOR has to worry about it's IP.  THey can't make it mainstream enough to kill WoW without sacrificing the established storyline.  And they can't invent new lore willy-nilly like Blizzard does because the stroy is well established, and we've already seen how badly it gets rejected by fans when someone, even the original author, creates new lore that doesn't jive with established lore.  Sure there are enough small points that can be expounded on for SWTOR to add things, but they already lost me with the Sith being playable ("Always two there are: one master and one apprentice"...  So what do we do with the other 3 million Sith Warriors over here that will kill the story between Chapters 3 and 4?)  Fortunately for BioWare, there are enough fanboys out there with self-insertion fantasies about Star Wars that they can get away with this hugely lore breaking oops, but it's still just the first step down a slippery slope in my book.

Blizzard isn't going to die to any newcomer to the arena, either.  GW2 has more chance of killing WoW than SWTOR does.  MoP looks like an awesome concept for an expansion, and the extra content aimed at the more casual player will certainly attract people interested in such things.  Their only stumblinb block there is the subscription fee itself.  Casual content is supposed to be free, and the players who would be interested in the content as new players to WoW aren't going to view the monthly fee with eager anticipation.  Still, I don't think its something Blizzard can't overcome.

i got to say swtor is great .most dont care about the wow killer thing ,hell go see swifty or hobbs.they play both so saying it is a wow killer is stupid .but there is no good reason to ignore it!yes it is that good! and the patch we got (1.01a)made trmemdeous change to go a long way to polish the various issue!and from the look of it when holiday are done we ll get more polishing!but as some on the net have said ,it is way better then wow when it lunched!

This article is a slant, painting a picture as if SWTOR were undeniably successful. Paid or blatant fanboyism, you might persuade some readers, but the majority knows what they want to play even without your propaganda articles.

Just an FYI. I thought the same thing untill I researched the Sith. According to Lucas lore "the rule of two" was created about 2500 years after when this game is suppossed to take place.

While I've only played in the Beta phases of TOR, I don't think WoW has much to worry about.  I don't think it will be any one game that will knock WoW off of its pedastal.  Now, if there is a confluence of high-quality, triple-A titles that launch within weeks of one another;  the drain on the WoW player base may be enough to send some serious shock waves through the halls of Act/Blizz.

so a worth adversary for you is a copy paste game, but only with star wars skin on it? damn you guys sure are easy to get happy, you guys sure will have a long happy life

SWTOR is a passing phase and many MMO's will go back to whatever games they previously paid for. 

Not suprising that this is what we ended up with as the team at BW was the same team the was paid to change SWG from it's original MMO to the debacle everyone remembers.

Personally I wonder about the so called journalist who are loving SWTOR.  Either paid to do so or ...  I'll stick with paid to suck up to lucasarts, bw and ea...

Originally posted by Toto020

Personally I wonder about the so called journalist who are loving SWTOR.  Either paid to do so or ...  I'll stick with paid to suck up to lucasarts, bw and ea...

Exactly, if i dislike a game and critics give it positive score i always grumble and think 'they were all paid off for writing lies'. But if it is my favorite.. my most 'precious' MMO i gobble up all the positive scores like a hungry bear and never complain.

Actually, I wonder either way. 

And besides are paid to advertise correct. and wern't TOR ads all over the site?  Why yes they were...  

Originally posted by Toto020

Actually, I wonder either way. 

And besides are paid to advertise correct. and wern't TOR ads all over the site?  Why yes they were...  

And now i see huge WOW add on background, before that it was Rift... close to AION release you could see huge adv for it...so what is your point? 

But I guess that's par for the course over at EA.  I mean look at Madden, it's the only football game and hasn't been updated since 2K but they keeps getting props every year...

lunch of wow= x

lunch of swtor = y

swtor lunch is way more successfull the wow lunch!

Originally posted by drbaltazar

lunch of wow= x

lunch of swtor = y

swtor lunch is way more successfull the wow lunch!

And don't forget, 200% more delicious!

It's called journalistic intergity.  And many of the reviewers and review sites seem to lack it lately.

Originally posted by Toto020

It's called journalistic intergity.  And many of the reviewers and review sites seem to lack it lately.

Like i said in earlier post i only question journalistic integrity when they highly rate a game i dislike otherwise i have no problems as long as they give high scores to games i love.

Originally posted by BillMurphy

Hey folks,

If you  ACTUALLY read the article you'll realize that Joe's actually stating that WoW won't be killed by SWTOR, despite how well BioWare's game may or may not do.

Thanks!

fixed  :P

Originally posted by alkarionlog

so a worth adversary for you is a copy paste game, but only with star wars skin on it? damn you guys sure are easy to get happy, you guys sure will have a long happy life

Perhaps I've missed something, but last year the two most successful MMO launches were Rift and SW:TOR.  Arguably they were so successful because they took the WoW mentality and shifted some pieces around to make it better.  If the market place loves and desires more bologna sandwiches you make bologna sandwiches!

At least that was why I liked Rift initially; the endgame content just wasn't there unfortunately.  Well that and on my server only a single guild had their stuff together enough to get anything done raiding wise while the rest of us geared people up to desert to said guild.  Plus after I leveld a toon on both factions I couldn't force myself to do it again because I was so bored with all the areas/activities.  I've yet to see all the leveling content in WoW (and probably never will).

Good times.

Originally posted by Shivam

Originally posted by Toto020

It's called journalistic intergity.  And many of the reviewers and review sites seem to lack it lately.

Like i said in earlier post i only question journalistic integrity when they highly rate a game i dislike otherwise i have no problems as long as they give high scores to games i love.

Is this comment satirical?  

I'm genuinely curious.

If so then it is pretty funny.

If not...interesting.

I find it funny that people bash certain games or bash the fact that people are playing certain games. What is the issue with people having fun with something that is fresh? Why do people find a need to rant a rave about games that are not innovative? No new games coming out in the future are innovative. Everything has been done and will continue to be done. GW2 isnt innovative, SWTOR isnt innovative, TSW isnt innovative, even WOW isnt innovative. they all copy off other ideas from previous games and companies that have already thought of them. WOW certainily wasnt the game that thought of EVERYTHING they have going on right now. If people like a game then what is the issue? If people dont then so what. The people that are talking down on the new games are also the same people that are tired of WOW as well.

Even if an MMO lasts a year its still longer than most people play any single player game. Even if SWTOR is only interesting for a few months, that is a few months I was intertained that no other game could at this point in time. I have played WOW since vanilla. I sure as hell would like something new.

If people wont try a new MMO cause its not totally new then I feel sorry for them. These are the same people that will buy Madden every year or Modern Warfare. But those are new ideas? Why is it so unbelievable that there will never ever be a WOW killer? Its been out since 2004, get off Blizz's nutz.

Originally posted by sanman7890

Originally posted by Shivam

Originally posted by Toto020

It's called journalistic intergity.  And many of the reviewers and review sites seem to lack it lately.

Like i said in earlier post i only question journalistic integrity when they highly rate a game i dislike otherwise i have no problems as long as they give high scores to games i love.

Is this comment satirical?  

I'm genuinely curious.

If so then it is pretty funny.

If not...interesting.

*winks* ;)

Originally posted by Shivam

Originally posted by sanman7890

Originally posted by Shivam

Originally posted by Toto020

It's called journalistic intergity.  And many of the reviewers and review sites seem to lack it lately.

Like i said in earlier post i only question journalistic integrity when they highly rate a game i dislike otherwise i have no problems as long as they give high scores to games i love.

Is this comment satirical?  

I'm genuinely curious.

If so then it is pretty funny.

If not...interesting.

*winks* ;)

 

Thank god! :)

World of Warcraft: Slain by the Sith?

Not really.

WoW is killing itself for quite a while actually, there is a game age issue as well.

Besides doubt that SWTOR will have long-term playerbase that even is half of WoW playerbase.

WoW players will leave for various games and not only to mmoprg's , not just SWTOR even if Swtor will get quite nice % of them.

Originally posted by Dracondis

SWTOR has as much chance of killing WoW as Lady Gaga has of winning Best Dressed.  Sure, they're both pretty enough in their own way, but it isn't like either one of them will ever care enough about winning to really put forth the effort it takes.

SWTOR has to worry about it's IP.  THey can't make it mainstream enough to kill WoW without sacrificing the established storyline.  And they can't invent new lore willy-nilly like Blizzard does because the stroy is well established, and we've already seen how badly it gets rejected by fans when someone, even the original author, creates new lore that doesn't jive with established lore.  Sure there are enough small points that can be expounded on for SWTOR to add things, but they already lost me with the Sith being playable ("Always two there are: one master and one apprentice"...  So what do we do with the other 3 million Sith Warriors over here that will kill the story between Chapters 3 and 4?)  Fortunately for BioWare, there are enough fanboys out there with self-insertion fantasies about Star Wars that they can get away with this hugely lore breaking oops, but it's still just the first step down a slippery slope in my book.

Blizzard isn't going to die to any newcomer to the arena, either.  GW2 has more chance of killing WoW than SWTOR does.  MoP looks like an awesome concept for an expansion, and the extra content aimed at the more casual player will certainly attract people interested in such things.  Their only stumblinb block there is the subscription fee itself.  Casual content is supposed to be free, and the players who would be interested in the content as new players to WoW aren't going to view the monthly fee with eager anticipation.  Still, I don't think its something Blizzard can't overcome.

I hope you read this, but it's not a lore oops...

That's actually established cannon...  In this time period there were a lot more jedi and sith... the sith had an entire empire and many more sith than jedi.. after they lost they told themselves it was because the darkside must be finite and that's why their numbers advantage of the jedi worked against them... thus the rule of 2 came about...

Also even in the movies there were never really just 2... just 2 with official titles ;)

You know blizzard is screwed when some of it's players ideas are better then the current lead devs ideas. you hear many people say stuff about greg street, but when you read his dev blog's you can't help think..oh man this guy's ego is massive

He taunts and angers Wow players with his blogs. he really has a massive ego and is a narcissistic nut job.

Blizzards fans are beyond loyal, but how long before the love turns to hate?

Who are these fantasy only lovers?  I've never met one of them.  I know infinitely more Star Wars fans as I've met fantasy only guy.

And honestly don't you get tired of elves and dwarves after a while?  I would be tired of sci fi if it was the only show on the block for so many years...shouldn't you get tired of fantasy after so many years?

Wait im confused, did SWTOR suddenly gain 5 million players? ( the actual size of the number of players in the US for WOW in 2011, 10 mil worldwide) did they post their numbers?

Originally posted by Mardukk

Who are these fantasy only lovers?  I've never met one of them.  I know infinitely more Star Wars fans as I've met fantasy only guy.

And honestly don't you get tired of elves and dwarves after a while?  I would be tired of sci fi if it was the only show on the block for so many years...shouldn't you get tired of fantasy after so many years?
 

I suppoase I'm the fantasy lover. Yup, that would be me. I'm the guy.

And no, I'm not tired of fantasy so much as tired of "bad" fantasy.

I sort of look at it as "aren't you tired of humans..." and the answer would be "no".

It doesn't matter if it's elf fest or dwarf fest but what matters are great worlds and

fun game play and lore that supports whatever races are present. If anything I usually tire of sci-fi games (even though star wars isn't "sci-fi") probably because technology isn't as "sexy" to me  as much as mysticism or fables or myths. The idea of an unseen world that exists for a reason despite man.

So "no".

Also my experience is mostly the opposite of yours as I've mostly met fantasy lovers. Next would be actual sci-fi and then star wars. But this is mostly in games and literature.

I don't know many people who are just average joes that don't like Star Wars movies

over fantasy movies. And probably wtih good reason as most fantasy movies (other than some obvious arguably great fantasy movies) aren't so much good as just entertaining B movie fare.

As far as SWToR goes I'm having a blast, much more than I ever had in WoW. But that's just my taste.

The rule of 2 didn't come out until after this time period. This game takes place roughly 3000 years before the events of A New Hope. The rule of 2 didn't come about until around 2500 years before A New Hope. The only confusion is with people who don't understand how the time line works.

It isn't a rewriting of the time line, this is how its been in canon since before the prequels. There is more to the Star Wars universe than just the movies.

TOR might not kill WOW, but its certainly putting the hurt on it. Although I think the two can conexist in today's market. One is fanatsy and the other is Space Opera. One is old school theme park and the other is cutting edge next-gen story-driven theme park.  Even if TOR does get to 11 million or so subs. It won't matter to the WOW fans cause there Fanatasy fans. Where as TOR fans will celebrate as  Star Wars fans and Sc-Fi Space Opera fans.

But even within just the Fanatsy genre, its all relative. WOW is popular, so what. I personally think LOTRO is a better fantasy game, but thats just because I like the books. I'm a media franchise junkie, that why I like TOR as well. To me a good MMO is something I'm familar with and something I would want to live in.

Never been a Warcraft or Blizzard fan, so when I did try WOW. It didn't appeal to me.I even gave it two trys within two 14 day trials. And for the life of me, I don't see how WOW is as popular as it is and that it has lasted this long. I guess its like movies, for some reason some people like paying for crap. Well I've gotten off-topic, so I'll stop here.

I said the same thing months ago;  The Old Republic will have less then 500k subscribers 6 months adfter release. It's not a real mmorpg and only a game you play for a few months.Almost all the eggs are in the story and voice acting basket.

And now after finding out only a small percentage is spend playing that story, the rest of the time you will be doing arbitrary boring side quests and finding out the main story is a lot the same for each class in the same faction I wouldn't be surprised if it tanks like WAR or AOC.

I am a Sith Inquisitor and the other day I saw a few Wow hunters come my way , how they got here i do not know but when they pointed their puny guns at me I electrocuted them,  Oh Well so much for wow

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One would assume that SWTOR slaying WoW would mean it's got more subs then Wow no?

And it doesn't.. and won't anytime soon.. soo...........

I haven't noticed any drop off on the WoW server I play on. My guild is up and running full swing. And we have members that play both games.

Of course there is a ton of talk in the trade channel about Star Wars but it is always the same people day after day. 

Originally posted by Dracondis

SWTOR has as much chance of killing WoW as Lady Gaga has of winning Best Dressed.  Sure, they're both pretty enough in their own way, but it isn't like either one of them will ever care enough about winning to really put forth the effort it takes.

SWTOR has to worry about it's IP.  THey can't make it mainstream enough to kill WoW without sacrificing the established storyline.  And they can't invent new lore willy-nilly like Blizzard does because the stroy is well established, and we've already seen how badly it gets rejected by fans when someone, even the original author, creates new lore that doesn't jive with established lore.  Sure there are enough small points that can be expounded on for SWTOR to add things, but they already lost me with the Sith being playable ("Always two there are: one master and one apprentice"...  So what do we do with the other 3 million Sith Warriors over here that will kill the story between Chapters 3 and 4?)  Fortunately for BioWare, there are enough fanboys out there with self-insertion fantasies about Star Wars that they can get away with this hugely lore breaking oops, but it's still just the first step down a slippery slope in my book.

Blizzard isn't going to die to any newcomer to the arena, either.  GW2 has more chance of killing WoW than SWTOR does.  MoP looks like an awesome concept for an expansion, and the extra content aimed at the more casual player will certainly attract people interested in such things.  Their only stumblinb block there is the subscription fee itself.  Casual content is supposed to be free, and the players who would be interested in the content as new players to WoW aren't going to view the monthly fee with eager anticipation.  Still, I don't think its something Blizzard can't overcome.

 

The game timeline pre-dates the movie series by a couple centuries. Around the time of Revans return from the Dark side to become Jedi again. In the extended universe lore, this is a time of an abundance of force users, both light and dark. It takes place prior to the great purge and systematic destruction of the Jedi (lukes time).

The entire premise of the "The Old Republic" is a time of rebirth for the Sith Empire. Thats like right on the box cover FFS. You don't need to be a Star Wars afficianado to know that. If you ever played any of the Knights of the Old Republic games, you would know this as well.

Originally posted by purewitz

TOR might not kill WOW, but its certainly putting the hurt on it. Although I think the two can conexist in today's market. One is fanatsy and the other is Space Opera. One is old school theme park and the other is cutting edge next-gen story-driven theme park.  Even if TOR does get to 11 million or so subs. It won't matter to the WOW fans cause there Fanatasy fans. Where as TOR fans will celebrate as  Star Wars fans and Sc-Fi Space Opera fans.

But even within just the Fanatsy genre, its all relative. WOW is popular, so what. I personally think LOTRO is a better fantasy game, but thats just because I like the books. I'm a media franchise junkie, that why I like TOR as well. To me a good MMO is something I'm familar with and something I would want to live in.

Never been a Warcraft or Blizzard fan, so when I did try WOW. It didn't appeal to me.I even gave it two trys within two 14 day trials. And for the life of me, I don't see how WOW is as popular as it is and that it has lasted this long. I guess its like movies, for some reason some people like paying for crap. Well I've gotten off-topic, so I'll stop here.

^^this

Originally posted by thekid1

I said the same thing months ago;  The Old Republic will have less then 500k subscribers 6 months adfter release. It's not a real mmorpg and only a game you play for a few months.Almost all the eggs are in the story and voice acting basket.

And now after finding out only a small percentage is spend playing that story, the rest of the time you will be doing arbitrary boring side quests and finding out the main story is a lot the same for each class in the same faction I wouldn't be surprised if it tanks like WAR or AOC.

Who exactly said ANY of what you just posted? Do tell. No one. You made it up.

I've seen this before, the game is still in its first month, it will take a while for the player base to level out but more than likely it will hover at 2 to 2.5 million players.  it still be profitable but not a WOW killer.

Originally posted by Moirae

Originally posted by thekid1

I said the same thing months ago;  The Old Republic will have less then 500k subscribers 6 months adfter release. It's not a real mmorpg and only a game you play for a few months.Almost all the eggs are in the story and voice acting basket.

And now after finding out only a small percentage is spend playing that story, the rest of the time you will be doing arbitrary boring side quests and finding out the main story is a lot the same for each class in the same faction I wouldn't be surprised if it tanks like WAR or AOC.

Who exactly said ANY of what you just posted? Do tell. No one. You made it up.

 

Made what up? The part about most of the questing you will be doing are side quests?

Or that part where main story quests are for the most part the same for all classes in the same faction?

Warcraft will always be Warcraft.   If you love the game, then it will always be #1.  Some of my best gaming memories involved Warcraft during the BC years.  I don't think any game that comes out will let me recapture that feeling.   

With Rift moving into Asia later on in the year, Aion going F2P in EU, SW:TOR selling like hot cakes, and people salivating over GW2 (I know it's b2p but some people won't have time to dedicate to 2 MMO's, so they may let one go). That is a lot of things to compete with.

I personally feel it is going to be downhill for Warcraft.  I can still see them still having 2-3 million NA/EU subs in 2 years with the release of MoP.  Warcraft couldn't kill EQ and I don't think anything will kill ever Warcraft.

People need to refrain from using words like killed, slain, death, dying, etc. WoW won't die (0 subscribers) until Blizzard pulls the plug. It may very well be "dethroned" but it won't die. UO still has quite a few subscribers and many playing on private shards.

It's about damn time that WoW gets killed and the genre gets released from it's grasp.

But if WoW gets killed by SWTOR, the genre will be in way more trouble than it already is with WoW being alive. Because we will then find ourselves back at Pong level in a few years.

Also, don't forget that with WoW, copying replaced innovating. So if WoW is getting killed by a shallow and lacking WoW clone, don't be surprised if investors and companies (once again) copy that bad clone. Downward spiral inc.

I would just hope it puts enough preassure on Blizzard to step up thier game and inovate.

Originally posted by BillMurphy

Actually, that's my fault.  I talked with Joe about Operations the other day, and explained them to be raids.  But I forgot to remove this sentence.  Fixing now!

Look no offense but if the author of the article can't make a factually accurate article then you shouldn't be correcting him, you should just not be posting it.

:-(  it seems clear that the stance of this author is a negative one, he had a bad taste in his mouth when he wrote this article and it shows.

Seems VERY unprofessional.

Edit:  Its fine to not like something, but to actually know so little about it and yet still be allowed to post an article?  Thats just wrong.

I can't wait until all of this hooplah between these two games is over.  I'm tired of it filling up the news section.  :(

Heh looks like half the people posting did not bother to read the OP. :P

Yes WOW is and will remain the "gorilla".

SWTOR is either a chimp or a baby gorilla. Too soon to say yet.

Either way it has done a pretty good launch, on the retention and growth side? Time will tell.

But it still has a huge disadvantage, the same as just about every other MMO to launch.

WOW is so big and seems to stay so big, from the simple fact that it draws huge crowds back into the game with just about each and every expansion it puts out.

If SWTOR can do the same, put out expansions that draw back huge numbers as well as draw in more as it goes along, it will be an exception, as WOW is.

i've been watching the servers i havn't noticed much of a drop if any at all, my servers are still showing full and there are people everywhere all the time.

people seem to think everyone that is going to play swtor is from warcraft which is insane.  

i dunno, that sucks for the OP that his friends left but mine is still fully intact and nobody has plans of ever leaving warcraft, neither do i :)  

i may take breaks from it but i'll be there till they shut off the lights.

p.s. i love panda's :P

The WoW Factor: Slain by the Sith?

With a plastic light saber?

*goes aways laughting*

To the Author,

Good! Now you know how we felt when WOW hit.

Signed,

Players of Everquest :)

Originally posted by BillMurphy

Hey folks,

If you read the article closely, you'll realize that Joe's actually stating that WoW won't be killed by SWTOR, despite how well BioWare's game may or may not do.

Thanks!

Read the article?!  LOL!  We're all too busy posting to read anything anyone else writes :)

The Star Wars MMO is here?  We had one for 8 years, a better one in fact, that SWTOR killed.

TOR really is WoW with a Star Wars skin on it, no matter how you want to dress it up and defend it as blind fanbois. Yes, I am playing it right now too, but I seriously think it's not going to be a long affair at all.

Is it now time for WoW to evolve, move away from raids and tab target press 123 mechanics?



It would be pretty damn good if we had NGE for WoW!

I dont think SWTOR alone will kill WoW, but I think its time has come. With the release of SWTOR, and GW2(which is non sub) & TSW in the coming months I think WoW will lose a LOT of its numbers

Originally posted by Mad+Dog

Is it now time for WoW to evolve, move away from raids and tab target press 123 mechanics?







It would be pretty damn good if we had NGE for WoW!

 

Yep, that would certainly kill it

Most of the said here is bullshit. Not untill BioWare pull out the numbers anything else is just speculation.

How can a game with the EXACT SAME identical issues touch the original? These guys really did not try to be all that different. You guys are seriously caught up in the leveling hype.

At lvl 50 the game turns into a carbon copy WoW clone from 2005 before any of the convinience features were put into WoW. You guys go argue with Bioware about how to fix their broken pvp or beg them for dual spec. Talk about crowning a king too soon.

Originally posted by BillMurphy

Hey folks,

If you read the article closely, you'll realize that Joe's actually stating that WoW won't be killed by SWTOR, despite how well BioWare's game may or may not do.

Thanks!

 

The "theme" of the article ("will TOR kill WoW") seems to be an excuse to have yet another MMORPG.com piece extoling and hyping TOR itself, to be honest. On the whole, it most definitely reads like a pro-TOR article, written under the pretense of being about WoW.

I mean, starting with the title, the article is filled with statements about all his friends in WoW leaving, a portrait of Deathwing whose caption indicates TOR as the biggest threat to Azeroth... and myriad other similar statements. All basically placing TOR on a pedestal, despite the author claiming to have zero interest in it.

Not 'til the end of the article does he get around to saying "naw, I guess WoW will be around for a while anyway, 'cause people still feel passionately about it". 

Well, yeah. Was that ever seriously in question?

I don't think anyone here ("wishful thinkers" notwithstanding) seriously expects TOR to "kill WoW". WoW will continue on for quite a while with a massive playerbase on its momentum alone. That's not even delving in to the myriad other reasons individuals might have to continue playing.

TOR is still the new kid in the room, as flashy and pretty and popular it might be. It has quite the mountain to climb before it comes anywhere near "killing WoW" on any objective or meaningful level.

To me, the article reads more like yet another MMORPG.com TOR hype piece, that uses the whole "will it kill WoW" question as a rhetorical question to base it around.  It would be nice to see an article here on MMORPG.com putting it proper perspective, rather than shamelessly drooling and fawning over it as y'all have been. 

I'm still waiting for that "other side of the coin" to show up. So far it's been entirely 1-sided.

I'm having the best time I've had in an mmo since WoW Vanilla . ToR is a breath of fresh air because it really is putting the RPG back into mmorpg .

It depends what you would call a WoW killer .

a) Is it a game that has to finnish off WoW altogether ? .then no after all theres still no Ultima Online killer is there . WoW will most likly be around is some form and with a lot less people in 10 years time .

b) Is it a game that deal a significant body blow to WoW and steals a heavy number of subs ( say 2-4 million ) then theres a strong possibility ToR could be the WoWkiller .

c) Is it a game that overtakes WoW in terms of the amount of subs it has ?  Well ToR could quite easily do that in the west in the coming months . I've heard WoW has something between 4-5 million players in the EU and NA . ( thats only from estimates I've seen in these forums ) when you consider that ToR sold 1.6 million in its first week and analysts are projecting 3 -4 million units sold by March it doesn't seem quite so unfeasable . It would take releases in Russia and China to follow suit .

I've also heard the arguement most people will give up after month 1 . My experiance if thats likly to happen you would see general chat full of complaints about the game but you just don't .

Some people think huge numbers will give up when they've finnished the storyline . Well the storylines are engaging enough for lots of people to want to play through all the classes . Also ToR has what other games have in terms of endgame thats not stopped people subbing to WoW for years has it .

The problem for Blizzard is that it has become very complacent . The people at the top appear to be make some cataclysmic errors of judgement . Panda-gate proved they were out of touch . The game has also been losing subs prior to ToR offering an attractive alternative . Also on top of this there are plenty of other new and interesting mmos in development that may take even more people from WoW .

It probably won't go down without a fight they will most likly move the goal posts and declare levels 1-60 free to play and continue to count the free to play accounts as subscriptions .

Whatever happens expect further and larger loses in 2012 .Personally I don't think ToR will overtake it this year simply because its unlikly to be released in China and Russia till 2013 .

But eventually if you agree option b or c to be a definition of WoWkiller then it has every chance .

The part where you talk about competition fueling innovation and how SW:TOR contributes absolutely nothing for Bilzzard to even consider is really the key indicator to me that SW:TOR's spot on the top of the pile is going to be pretty short lived. 

WoW Clone < WoW Killer

TOR transforms that simple bit of math into a law.

This game has been out 2 weeks. Let's see if it can retain subscribers past 3 months. I'm going with a "not likely".

Hey Mods... how bout closing this thread as there have been numerous threads over n over n over about this.

Unless you only do that to threads that talk negatively about your precious MMO like numerous thread closing that ya'll have done already.

Originally posted by Dracondis



SWTOR has to worry about it's IP.  THey can't make it mainstream enough to kill WoW without sacrificing the established storyline.  And they can't invent new lore willy-nilly like Blizzard does because the stroy is well established, and we've already seen how badly it gets rejected by fans when someone, even the original author, creates new lore that doesn't jive with established lore.  Sure there are enough small points that can be expounded on for SWTOR to add things, but they already lost me with the Sith being playable ("Always two there are: one master and one apprentice"...  So what do we do with the other 3 million Sith Warriors over here that will kill the story between Chapters 3 and 4?)  

You clearly need to check up on the lore, the rule of 2 wasn't implemented by the True Sith empire, it was implemented by Darth Bane.

Make this as simple as I can.

WoW = WAS fun

SWTOR = IS fun

as time and new releases come out something else will come along and SWTOR will become a WAS fun... All things pass, play what you like and be open to new things.

Should call this site MMORPG trollbait .com

Even the articles are trolling as much as the readership these days /sarcasm off.

I don't think Blizzard are too worried, WoW has been on backburner mode for a few years, all the real talent was siphoned off to develop Titan. It's still making silly money & BioWare just has the "tourist" gamers from WoW who will in varying degrees move back to WoW in earnest, play WoW casually while going hardcore in SWTOR, play SWTOR casually while still in WoW & a few will drop WoW.

There won't be a WoW-Killer ever I think, not even Titan may have that draw, WoW was an anomoly, probably always will have been. If WoW wanes it will be by a multitude of quality titles releasing & performing well & whittling away a portion of WoW's natural leavers, plenty of room in the market & that market will continue to grow in overall size as more people become MMO gamers.

Originally posted by Dracondis

SWTOR has as much chance of killing WoW as Lady Gaga has of winning Best Dressed.  Sure, they're both pretty enough in their own way, but it isn't like either one of them will ever care enough about winning to really put forth the effort it takes.

SWTOR has to worry about it's IP.  THey can't make it mainstream enough to kill WoW without sacrificing the established storyline.  And they can't invent new lore willy-nilly like Blizzard does because the stroy is well established, and we've already seen how badly it gets rejected by fans when someone, even the original author, creates new lore that doesn't jive with established lore.  Sure there are enough small points that can be expounded on for SWTOR to add things, but they already lost me with the Sith being playable ("Always two there are: one master and one apprentice"...  So what do we do with the other 3 million Sith Warriors over here that will kill the story between Chapters 3 and 4?)  Fortunately for BioWare, there are enough fanboys out there with self-insertion fantasies about Star Wars that they can get away with this hugely lore breaking oops, but it's still just the first step down a slippery slope in my book.

 

Blizzard isn't going to die to any newcomer to the arena, either.  GW2 has more chance of killing WoW than SWTOR does.  MoP looks like an awesome concept for an expansion, and the extra content aimed at the more casual player will certainly attract people interested in such things.  Their only stumblinb block there is the subscription fee itself.  Casual content is supposed to be free, and the players who would be interested in the content as new players to WoW aren't going to view the monthly fee with eager anticipation.  Still, I don't think its something Blizzard can't overcome.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_and_nominations_received_by_Lady_Gaga#NME_Awards

She won best dressed. She also won worst dressed but your according to your argument SW:ToR killed WoW.

Sith slain by Pandas soon, if TOR lasts that long.

Originally posted by forest-nl

 

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Originally posted by Aguitha
Can you guys wait a few months before making such crazy statement ?  I mean the game is not even a month old, peoples are still on their first free month.  Let's see how the population goes once they need to pay 15$ per month to keep playing a game that is so shallow.

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I agree and a very WEAK attemp by MMORPG.COM STAFF to another attemp to hype SWTOR its a bit SAD realy.

Not by a longshot SWTORis comming close at moment to WoW so what are you brabbeling about MMORPG STAFF?

So far big winner of 2011 even here on mmorpg.com(making topics yourself about a sologame) is SKYRIM way ahead of SWTOR of sold copys.

More then 9 million copys sold of SKYRIM so far and not even digital numbers included so prolly even over 10million.

+1

Pandas. lol

I haven't played WoW in many many years, but after playing SWTOR for two weeks, I am already bored of it. There is very little to do in this game, and I hesitate to even classify it as a true MMO by my admittedly strict standards.

Not even going to talk about the voice acting other than to say I stopped paying attention around level 30. It's hard to become invested in a story that you know a MILLION other people are currently experiencing in the exact same way. Your choices make no difference in the storyline other than to earn you points towards cosmetic items, and make you look more or less like Marilyn Manson.

The world is completely sectioned off, and instanced to the point of having almost no cohesion whatsoever.

The character creation and development are non existant. Your character will be EXACTLY like every other character of its class (within one of the arbitrary 3 skill trees that they just HAD to rip off from WoW).

The graphics are subjective of course, but I find them to be pretty bad. The textures used in the environments in particualar are AWFUL. It's difficult for me to put my finger on, but the art design is just poor.

The PvP feels almost exactly like Warhammer Online, and apparently that makes sense due to the team being comprised of some ex Mythic employees. Most of the time you will be rooted in place, or otherwise out of control of your character, especially as a melee class. This was a huge problem in WAR, and it's not any more fun here. High level PvP has the odd quirk of people NOT grouping in favor of being able to keep their companions out. which leads me to...

Companions. Where do I begin? This is hands down the dumbest system I have ever seen in an MMO. Every player of your class is running around the world with a clone of your companion. It looks stupid, and it IS stupid. It wouldn't be so bad if they weren't absolutely REQUIRED to play the game, but they are. A system allowing you to CHOOSE from a large list of companions could have worked, but this is just absolutely rammed down your throat.

I'll say it again: I don't play WoW, but the last time I did, it was a FAR better game than SWTOR. And that's pretty sad.

edited for punctuation.

Originally posted by Shivam

Originally posted by Toto020

It's called journalistic intergity.  And many of the reviewers and review sites seem to lack it lately.

Like i said in earlier post i only question journalistic integrity when they highly rate a game i dislike otherwise i have no problems as long as they give high scores to games i love.

Someone disagreeing with you is grounds for doubting their integrity? Seriously?

There is one huge difference to SW:TOR that other "WoW-killers" didn't have, that is a huge existing following of the Star Wars universe.  I bought and am playing the game after having enjoyed WoW for a long time and am so absorbed in TOR that, though I am keeping my WoW subscription, I have barely been on WoW.

I am making new friends in TOR and with each class storyline so interesting then when I level my first toon to 50 - no matter how the end game plays - I'll be moving onto rolling a new class.

I have enjoyed WoW and I'm sure I will enjoy it again before it dies, but time moves on and nothing lives forever.  Will there be one big WoW killer?  Probably not, more like lots of other games that people disappear off to play as WoW looks more and more archaic and goes free to play before eventually disappearing.

It doesn't mean people don't like it.  I still like Pac Man, doesn't mean I sit playing it for hours at a time.

"WoW was not as good as SWTOR at launch" (not sure who said that :( )

I completely agree. TOR is way more polished and had a much better launch overall. But playing TOR for the first time didn't even come close to my excitement when I played WoW for the first time. I loved playing WoW when it first came out. Hell, I thought I was playing the best game ever. I played all the way to level 60 and didn't have a single boring moment. Then I leveled another two level 60 characters before starting the end-game and I had so much fun.

TOR just pales in comparison to vanilla WoW for me. 

For the record...WoW was not my first MMO yet it was the most fun for me.

Seriously .... Do u still play wow ???

why , its very old and has a horrble battle system. the quests are uber grindy and the graphix ancient. Story driven MMO FTW !!  anything but wow FTW !

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Originally posted by clankyasp

Sith slain by Pandas soon, if TOR lasts that long.

You do know they can both do well at the same time, one does not need to fail for the other to do well.

I started WOW in the fall of 2005, dont recall the month but it was sept. or later. Even starting the game that far after launch there were still Q's to get onto the Hellscream server and my son in law played on Thrall server and said it was the same there as well. I dont know how many servers they had at that time but it was a lot. Wil lbe interesting to see how many servers TOR has a year after launch and if they are as packed as the WOW servers were after the same period of time. Somehow, I dont see it happening.

Lol, so I take it WoW was your first MMO, and your under the age of 25? :)

You will always be nostalgic for your first MMO, this is why (and hopefully you finally understand) those of us who remember constantly chat about UO, AC and EQ with such fondess, to the incomprehension of you wipper snapper WoW players :)

WoW is, and always will be, essentially, a rip off of all that was good from those before it. Thats not to say it was a bad game, but it was not the best, and it was not the first. And SWTOR is good, but again, its also not the best and not the first.

Oh, and theres more innovation in Swtor than just cutscenes, but you wouldnt know that, having vowed "NEVER TO PLAY IT!!!!" in your dramatic way. Which is a shame for an MMO reviewer working for an MMO webzine. You might want to try branching out a bit, you know, in the spirit of comparison journalism ;) Or did they not teach that at writers college anymore :D

hi everyone,

happy new year to all at first. i wanted just to say i wonder why so many bother with SWTOR if you dont like the game

dont play it its just that simple, second we are going every time over and over in almost every new thread like

"swtor just another clone of wow and etc" i think this people are slowly getting out of their arguments and they dont know what to do anymore and are just writting same threads again and again over same themes.

most players or people forget the fact that MMOS existed on markets before wow was even realesed on market, if we would look back on how many games WOW took its gameplay and ideas for game than most would see what is a clone in reality.

next thing is wowo is getting its new patch the pandas, then guys if you would look at this and see how many downhills it has that would be great to write about it.

swtor might have token some ideas from someone, but if we look honestly at every game you will hardly find a game tahat didnt took some ideas froma another game, just some people arent realistic about it and find always comments to trash other games.

Originally posted by carebear77

Seriously .... Do u still play wow ???

why , its very old and has a horrble battle system. the quests are uber grindy and the graphix ancient. Story driven MMO FTW !!  anything but wow FTW !

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tbh its to early to tell how soon swtor will burn.  Don't misunderstand the lvling with story is quite nice but once trough there is no reason to stay subbed. So if they don't deliver endgame while people are lvling it will be sooner. Regardless of that I think many wow players will play trough story and switch back to wow with mop for new content. What is unknown is how big the ex-wow % is in the swtor playerbase.

I agree with the basic premise of the article: The one established themepark MMORPG will not be outdone by yet another themepark MMORPG. Right now the industry is basically just waiting for the next innovator to come to the market so that the mould can be broken for good.

For years the releases of MMORPGs have been following the tried and tested WoW method in a vain attempt at becoming as successful as WoW. That will not happen if they insist on trying to be WoW.

The elements that are WoW are as follows:

- Characters based around static elements (Class/Race/Spec/Level) -

No freedom is given to the players, and no, Talents aren't freedom. Look at games like Ultima, Star Wars: Galaxies, or Dungeons & Dragons: Online. Levels aren't the caveat but they sure are a straight jacket and leads directly to the next element.

- Sectioned off gameworld based on illogical "borders" -

In these kind of games you have zones where low-level Characters can go and others where they absolutely cannot go (or only at the risk of death). The threat is not based on size of beast og type of villain, it is based on the fact that when you cross this (often very visible) line, a simple beast will now be more powerful than the King of the Beasts in the other zone. Why don't they migrate?

- Static world with no playergenerated content -

The world only changes with content patches or expansions. Why is that? In Vanguard: Saga of Heroes you could build a town right in the game world. Right in the game world! Making each server potentially unique all based on guild activity. Some other games like EverQuest2, Age of Conan, and Lord of the Rings: Online have sectioned off instances where this content is placed but why not go all the way?

- Questing as major progression route -

Go to NPC A. Do chore B. Earn reward C. Repeat until max level. Always with ONE possible solution. No player involvement, no challenge just an endless grind. A few ideas for alternate progression: Crafting, diplomacy, building a town/city, orchestrating the defense of said settlement, spending time playing an instrument in a social setting/concert, exploring, raising livestock. If I had a whole "creative" department I could propably come up with more or elaborate on those 5-minute stray thoughts.

In my opinion WoW only needs to be worried once a publisher decides to do something really outside the beaten path. Until then WoW will have been the first (not as such, they were just the ones to streamline the above and BROUGHT IT TO MARKET), the game with the most content, the largest subscriber base, and the biggest brand in the MMORPG market.

I remember my old teacher when these discussions come up: A rule of thumb when determining if one product is vastly different than another: If you have now switched to Product B from Product A, would you switch back if the price of Product A was halved? If yes, the "new" Product B wasn't alternate enough to actually warrant the change, you just changed for change itself.

Looking back at my track record with more than 20 AAA titles over the last 10 years I think I start to see the wisdom in his words :)

Never undestood that "need" for killer of anything. I just hope Wow, Swtor and Rift will coexists for years to come giving me all a lot of fun.

And they have another thing in common, all 3 runs completely smooth on my 2 years old (but pretty good) computer. No other game comes even close. Aoc, War, ... just to mention few lag disasters. Obviously programmers Bioware as of Trion as of Blizzard know their job.

daltanios +1 !!! 

finally not another fanboy :)

You have published a piece that purports to discuss whether or not the new Star Wars game is likely to do away with World of Warcraft, yet the journalist who wrote it, by her own admission, doesn't like science fiction games, has no interest in them, has never played SW:TOR and frankly states in the middle of the piece that she has no idea what will become of either game. It's hardly cutting edge journalism is it..?

Originally posted by clankyasp

Sith slain by Pandas soon, if TOR lasts that long.

 

Nah the only thing that ll slay the Sith is if Bioware are stupid enough to bring out an expansion based around a cute furry animal .

SAY NO TO EWOKS .

"SW:TOR’s rampant and undeniable success"

what ARE you smoking, seriously?  Every mmo on release has seen more success than this game.

Its only because it has the 'star wars' label on that its sold any copies at all.  Bioware have never made any mmo's and has only ever made one successfull game before.

By now people should realise that converting a film into an mmo does not, should not, has never and will never work in any conceivable way.

To claim that it has seen any success when not one single player has yet to make a decision on subscribing beyond the first 30 days is utter nonsense.

Originally posted by sadeyx

"SW:TOR’s rampant and undeniable success"

 

what ARE you smoking, seriously?  Every mmo on release has seen more success than this game.

 

Its only because it has the 'star wars' label on that its sold any copies at all.  Bioware have never made any mmo's and has only ever made one successfull game before.

 

By now people should realise that converting a film into an mmo does not, should not, has never and will never work in any conceivable way.

 

To claim that it has seen any success when not one single player has yet to make a decision on subscribing beyond the first 30 days is utter nonsense.

So simple to make you wrong. I'm subscribing. {mod edit}

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You either die a hero, or you live long enough to watch yourself become the villain.

First off SWTOR wont kill wow it has more to fear from being killed its self

EA is has its hands in this game and they have a very poor mmo history

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i'm sure they had there reasons and this is just a sample of the games EA has but you'll find this repeats it's self

Way, way, waaay to early to be having this discussion. We have no idea what the retention rate is going to be for this game at this point nor are there enough at endgame to debate whether the game will have enough content and activities to incur retention.

Originally posted by Mondo80

I've seen this before, the game is still in its first month, it will take a while for the player base to level out but more than likely it will hover at 2 to 2.5 million players.  it still be profitable but not a WOW killer.

 

Yeah, I with you on this. ToR is appealing to a slightly different subset of players than WoW. ToR has a great story, while WoW remains king of twitch gameplay. The two do not really cross. Btw, I am having a great time in ToR. I still know many people who play WoW exclusively. 

I really don't understand this need to find a WoW killer. What's the purpose of that?

I also don't understand why some people run all the topics about games they don't like, to write the same critics, over and over again. 

WoW is a reference, wether you play(ed) it or not, wether you like it or not.

SWTOR is the most recent AAA release and it's going very well at this point; its future is more a matter (and concern) of what the devs will bring, than our wishes or speculations.

This year some promising titles are coming, such as GW2, TSW, Tera(?). To me it seems positive for the community to have some different choices, although I am sure that for some it will never be enough (but that's their problem).

So have fun playing whatever you like and stop this stupid search for the new WoW (or killer or whatever you want to call it) and this obsessive need to criticize all the titles you don't enjoy. Gaming is about having fun, so please work on it.

SWTOR isn't what's killing WoW; Blizzard is what's killing WoW.

lolPandas.

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No game will ever kill this game the guys named above are doing everything they can do destroy it so give it time.

In general MMOG players aren't dumb they know when a company doesn't care about their own game anymore and I think thats what we've seen since patch 3.0 in World of Warcraft. Blizzard is playing a dangerous game here you can fool your customers once but hardly twice so their yet to be announced scifi MMOG will have a tough time regaining the trust people used to have in Blizzard.

Are you guys afraid of WoW passing or you are all too scare to play a game and start from scratch, cause it seems it is not the fact a game is going to be a WoW killer, its more like are all ready to relinquish your tiers and gears give them all in order to embrace the possibility of being noob once again give all sweat and time at one game and make new friends find a new focus do things differently? In life people can not be stuck into the routine, like okay WoW is a fun game but it is time to grow up to mature to do something else to develop new interest, new contact. In order to make  SWTOR what you've been calling it since its lunch is each and everyone of you to actually stop hiding and to go in SWTOR and actually play it and see for yourself, when i say play its by actually be the character you play and not just grind grind and then join a guild and start calling everyone in that guild your bff. This world needs innovation not the just plain and boring fantsay sword and bows type of things...

I would say Skyrim has had as much, if not more, effect than SWTOR.

World of Warcraft will never die. One has only to look at the oldest (in the modern sense) MMORPGs, UO and Everquest, to see that. The population wil deminish greatly at some point, I have little doubt, but it will remain profitable for Blizzard as long as they care to keep servers open for the game.

There are many reasons for the decline in membership in WoW, not least of which it's 7 years old, and many people are ready for a change - and would be regardless of how good the game is now. There seems to be some kind of belief that a single MMORPG should entertain you all your life, and that it has failed if it no longer interests you. But if someone were to suggest to you that Doom failed because no one plays it anymore, you'd think that statement didn't make sense.

You don't go to the same movie all your life, you don't read only one fantasy novel forever, why would you expect one game, any game, to be something you do that with?

Saying SWTOR plays like vanilla WoW is not a good recommendation for me. I want something more than WoW was, or is, in terms of game play.

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i dont think it will kill wow but from what i saw in the stats of SWTOR more than 50% of player come from other mmo 9% from wow

the thing that help blizz is the diablo 3 strategy give the game nearly free with the money wow do to keep player when diablo 3 will hit shelf

since D3 is free blizzz could have lost ppl in wow from his own game so to keep both he did that and you cant cancel after 60 days the contract is signed

blizz is master tactic!ian!!!

Originally posted by Khurg

"Will Titan or WoW abolish raiding because SW:TOR doesn’t have it?"

Raiding is such a last-decade experience in gaming. We will be better off without it. People just want challenging PvE and PvP encounters. MMORPGs became too dependent on the large player raid. It really isn't very inovative and if you played EQ or WoW then you have probably done the concept to death. 

but wow is in a bad position

he does something bad and now the player are not enough feed with end game containt

blizz does something with the years that player want always more and it will broke someday

blizzz need to hear what player want