Again Blizzard World builders/designers but all others to shame.

The Blizzard development team must be laughing themselves silly when looking at the competition.  Their only real decent competitor is CCP and the genre does not really compete against them.

Funcom is just about to release another Vanguard disaster upon the scene and anticipating anything good from Mythic and War is truely very wishful thinking.

The only other decent development company is Turbine and they are stuck in rut with games that have the lore controlled by other parties limiting what they can do.

Why is it so hard to develop an interesting and fun MMO?

Originally posted by Ozmodan

The Blizzard development team must be laughing themselves silly when looking at the competition. 

Yeah and I don't understand why people don't get this.  Those who absolutely love wow and never plan to leave should hope for some good competition for blizz instead of feeling threatened by it.  Blizzard has too much license to play around with customers right now because they know there's nothing else out there.  The season 4 changes with personal rating requirements on battleground gear is deplorable for one.

/yawn.  Did anyone actually read Blizzard's bloated, incongruent ramblings about what this place does?  Once again, Blizzard delivers random content with some free-association storyline.  You guys can have it for all I care, Funcom's release is not even close to Vanguard, and unless you're in Beta as of yesterday, and breaking your NDA, there's no way that you can make that comparison.  If you're making your "Vanguardian" doomspeech based on anything more than 3 days old, you're information is outdated, and not to be taken as fact.  If you're making those assertions based off of something you read, second-hand, from some other beta leaker, then you need to check your sources, because you don't know what you're talking about.

Anyway, I hope WoWers stay in WoW, just like I hope prisoners stay in prison.  It's better that you're over there and contained, than spewing up my game with your "OMGWTFWOWROXXORZBBQPWNSALLNUBSCOPTR" bullcrap.  I spent 3.5 years playing the game, and am really glad that I've moved on.  The community is mostly rude and asinine, and the "story" blizzard is telling has no relation to itself any more.  It's like they release content that is in direct opposition to any content before it, and rather than fix it to be a story/world with continuity, they just pretend like it doesn't happen...

Move along folks, nothing to see here, level up super fast so you don't realize that even after the coming of the burning legions, MC and BWL are down there with their same tired content, as if nothing ever happened.

flame on if you wish, it's what I expect, but I don't really care.  Insult a blizzard superfan and they scream at you, it must be all the pent up aggression from boring gameplay....

Originally posted by Ozmodan

The Blizzard development team must be laughing themselves silly when looking at the competition.  Their only real decent competitor is CCP and the genre does not really compete against them.

Funcom is just about to release another Vanguard disaster upon the scene and anticipating anything good from Mythic and War is truely very wishful thinking.

The only other decent development company is Turbine and they are stuck in rut with games that have the lore controlled by other parties limiting what they can do.

Why is it so hard to develop an interesting and fun MMO?

 CCP blows all mmogs out of the water and back in the mountains when it comes to free content ,free expansions,free overall graphic redesing (bringing the game at pace current graphics),and are planning more free expansions.But as you said ,eve is a completly different story if compared to WoW,soo blizzard has no competion for free content except Turbine.

Responding to Thief's comments:

I fully agree that competition is good for consumers (players) and is far better for keeping pressure on Blizzard to please the fans rather  than become complecent - thats just good economics.

I will not comment on AoC, especially in relation to VG, partly because I think the debacle that surrounded the VG launch is a unique factor that, thankfully, AoC, does not have to contend with but mostly because I have not played the game yet. I have it on pre-order and do expect a number of similar negative community aspects as I believe they are present in every game launch.

However, my own experience of wow community has been largly very positive and I have been part of 2 great guilds in my wow time. There are a number of more juvenile players in the game but no where near the (perhaps natural to expect) levels in the early days of the games launch.

I also believe it is a little daft to slate the juvenile behaviour of a games community, which by default assumes you are trying to take the moral high ground, at the same time as making a huge generic statement about a whole games community based on your singular experience and thereby being a fanboi yourself.

Still, you post it  - you invite debate.

Originally posted by Neopsych

I also believe it is a little daft to slate the juvenile behaviour of a games community, which by default assumes you are trying to take the moral high ground, at the same time as making a huge generic statement about a whole games community based on your singular experience and thereby being a fanboi yourself.

 

 

Well said.

Originally posted by Khalev

Originally posted by Neopsych

I also believe it is a little daft to slate the juvenile behaviour of a games community, which by default assumes you are trying to take the moral high ground, at the same time as making a huge generic statement about a whole games community based on your singular experience and thereby being a fanboi yourself.

 

 

Well said.

Indeed!

Originally posted by thief425

/yawn.  yadda yadda yadda yadda....

Meh, you'll be back with expansion.  It took me about a year to get bored of wow but only 2 hours with AoC.  Playing AoC actually got me back into wow.  Thanks funcom.  As far as the population goes... you've got to be really thick to believe it's going to be any better in AoC.  You'll have the same rude humans there as anywhere in society--kids and all.  Have fun with your pipe dream while it lasts but I doubt you even believe your own remarks since no one knows how AoC will go at this point.

I rename you qwief425 because all you are is a lot of hot stinky air.

Oh look! A new dungeon.. hurray!

Originally posted by greymann

 

Originally posted by thief425

/yawn.  yadda yadda yadda yadda....

 

Meh, you'll be back with expansion.  It took me about a year to get bored of wow but only 2 hours with AoC.  Playing AoC actually got me back into wow.  Thanks funcom.  As far as the population goes... you've got to be really thick to believe it's going to be any better in AoC.  You'll have the same rude humans there as anywhere in society--kids and all.  Have fun with your pipe dream while it lasts but I doubt you even believe your own remarks since no one knows how AoC will go at this point.

I rename you qwief425 because all you are is a lot of hot stinky air.

Like I said before...you guys can have all of that.  As for me, Blizzard just doesn't bring anything to the table that I expect out of a modern gaming company.  I don't feel like being a Skinner-box rat anymore, and to each his own.

As far as my "singular experience" that was so generalized, I've played on 3 different servers, on both faction sides, and I dare anyone to argue that there hasn't been a degradation of the population over the last two years.  The more Blizzard spends on marketing, the more exploiters, BG afk'ers, gankers, and griefers that swarm in like roaches.  The entire game is now being "balanced" for arena, without regard as to what it does to PvE, World PvP, or the standard battlegrounds.  Why do pallies get "turn evil" in the middle of Season 3?  Why revamp the Shaman's Ghost Wolf?  Why change the way that health and mana drinks work?  Why give ALL mages Ice Block?  Why the sudden overabundance of diminishing returns?  The answer to each question is Arena.  I don't have to swallow the Kool-Aid if I don't want to.

I read the original article to see if Blizzard actually had tripped and fallen in some creativity juice, but, once again, they fail to deliver.  It's the same old raid template with different bosses and a different irrelevant and boring storyline that has nothing to do with anything else.  Enjoy it.  You'll get to run it 300 times before you get that "Sacred Sword of the Took Forever to Get This".  If you're curious when WotLK is coming out, wait until Mythic announces the release date for Warhammer, and subtract one week.  Blizzard can't afford to have its target market see something else, so they'll have to try to suck you in with a new xpack.

If i was personally making WoW....i would of made it so you would need tier 3 to get tier 6, t1 to get t4.. and so on.....this makes people continue to play in the old fun instances, instead of just making the old content obsolete and forgetting about it. Nax was teh BIZNATCH.

"I also believe it is a little daft to slate the juvenile behaviour of a games community, which by default assumes you are trying to take the moral high ground, at the same time as making a huge generic statement about a whole games community based on your singular experience and thereby being a fanboi yourself."

 ~Originally posted by Neopsych in MMORPG.com WoW forums

 

 

I feel like putting that in my sig...

Oh I am not a Wow proponent, my thought is you cannot argue about success. 

I was hoping AoC would be a new and exciting experience, instead I find it again another poorly put together POS and it still is with the latest patches.  Stealth is again stupidly overpowered with no recourse for those without, the ffa-pvp servers are just another gank fest.  I could go on and on, lots of stupid design decisions....   I like pvp, survived for years in felucca UO and enjoyed every minute of it, AoC pvp servers are just a tragic misunderstanding of pvp in an MMO.

I am going to be rolling on the floor laughing as the angry posts at Funcom come rolling in the next few months.  If you are highly anticipating this game, you will most probably be majorly disappointed. 

I have not tried War, but I do not have great faith that Mythic can produce anything good.  They have had years to fix DAoC and failed miserably, what makes anyone think they can pull War off?

I would love to find a alternative to Wow, but it is highly doubtful that will be in the near future, neither AoC or War will be it.  It seems the goal for all these recent MMO's is to open with a bang and limp away with a wimper soon after.  

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Oh I am not a Wow proponent, my thought is you cannot argue about success. 

I was hoping AoC would be a new and exciting experience, instead I find it again another poorly put together POS and it still is with the latest patches.  Stealth is again stupidly overpowered with no recourse for those without, the ffa-pvp servers are just another gank fest.  I could go on and on, lots of stupid design decisions....   I like pvp, survived for years in felucca UO and enjoyed every minute of it, AoC pvp servers are just a tragic misunderstanding of pvp in an MMO.

I am going to be rolling on the floor laughing as the angry posts at Funcom come rolling in the next few months.  If you are highly anticipating this game, you will most probably be majorly disappointed. 

I have not tried War, but I do not have great faith that Mythic can produce anything good.  They have had years to fix DAoC and failed miserably, what makes anyone think they can pull War off?

I would love to find a alternative to Wow, but it is highly doubtful that will be in the near future, neither AoC or War will be it.  It seems the goal for all these recent MMO's is to open with a bang and limp away with a wimper soon after.  

You mirror my opinions exactly.   I want to see competition for wow and would even love to play another game but I don't see any hope on the horizon--distant future maybe. 

Only thing is:  Recourse for stealth = roll a human warrior. :)

Originally posted by thief425

 

Originally posted by greymann

 

Originally posted by thief425

/yawn.  yadda yadda yadda yadda....

 

Meh, you'll be back with expansion.  It took me about a year to get bored of wow but only 2 hours with AoC.  Playing AoC actually got me back into wow.  Thanks funcom.  As far as the population goes... you've got to be really thick to believe it's going to be any better in AoC.  You'll have the same rude humans there as anywhere in society--kids and all.  Have fun with your pipe dream while it lasts but I doubt you even believe your own remarks since no one knows how AoC will go at this point.

I rename you qwief425 because all you are is a lot of hot stinky air.

As far as my "singular experience" that was so generalized, I've played on 3 different servers, on both faction sides, and I dare anyone to argue that there hasn't been a degradation of the population over the last two years. 

It's inevitable that people who are addicted to anything over a period of years will experience degradation of character. 

I find leveling in wow a fun time waster.  If nothing else people are going want to see their toon reach 80.  That in itself is new enough for me.  Much of AoC reminds me of wow except that it's just duller.  So it's not different enough to make me switch plus it lacks the spice and character of wow.

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Such a damn shame I don' t like any of the classes in World of Warcraft. That was the main think that kept me from really getting into the game and staying the times I tried it. The world they created is great though and keeps getting better.