Wonder which side is getting the better deal. CoH might have some real problems if they don't get something out there that really outdoes what the Marvel name will bring. I hope CoH wins the battle though.

Originally posted by Robbgobb

Wonder which side is getting the better deal. CoH might have some real problems if they don't get something out there that really outdoes what the Marvel name will bring. I hope CoH wins the battle though.

CoH really deserves better than this niche. But what it needs is a REAL expension, to be more than a million offices and halls all looking the same. Maybe this change heralds a long overdue expansion and re-work. CoH is a blast, but at lv 30 or so I just thought I would yell if I gotta see one more same looking office or factory hall.

I was wondering how Cryptic was going to take care of this game and  creat Marvel Online with its fullest potential - guess we found out

with this anouncement and the older news that NCSoft and Sony have teamed up, im hoping for a CoH/CoV version out for the PS3 in the future. The PS3 can easily handle this game, and anything new they want to add to the game.

I'm not sure if I should be worried about my favorite game being changed around in ways I won't like, or be happy about it having a new direction. In my opinion, CoH is advancing pretty well, I can't imagine what more NCsoft could do to, "take City of Heroes to new heights". This might be why I'm worried.

experience tells me that when you change dev teams completely AND studios.  then the title is doomed.

ncsoft is very cash light these days and honestly not doing so well financially. 

i hate to say it, i love CoX but this title is officially doomed.  i had hoped, if anything, cryptic would buy the title from NC....

First, Woot.  CoH/CoV are both great games but this dog is almost dead.  Having Cryptic free and clear to create the Marvel MMO is exciting news.  Second, I haven’t read anything about Sony teaming up with NCSoft.  Do you have any links? I’m sure it would only mean doom for NCSoft, and that is too bad because they have some good games.  

Originally posted by cerebrix

experience tells me that when you change dev teams completely AND studios.  then the title is doomed.

 

ncsoft is very cash light these days and honestly not doing so well financially. 

 

i hate to say it, i love CoX but this title is officially doomed.  i had hoped, if anything, cryptic would buy the title from NC....

Actually, nearly the entire dev teamed has signed on w/ NC SOFT. They announced that on the official forums. Also, really what this is, is a move to start developing COH2 to compete w/ MUO and not have Cryptic and Microsoft in the way.

Originally posted by Tobruk

with this anouncement and the older news that NCSoft and Sony have teamed up, im hoping for a CoH/CoV version out for the PS3 in the future. The PS3 can easily handle this game, and anything new they want to add to the game.

Hmm.. NCSoft + Sony teaming up??? Can you post a link please - haven't heard this one.

Recent merger was Bioware + LucasArts but that has nothing to do with HEROES concept. I do know that Sony and PotBS developer Flying Labs have teamed up - but that's old news.

"ncsoft is very cash light these days and honestly not doing so well financially. "

What? Source? Again, what?

As for the NC/Sony deal, it was announced at this years "E3" type of event--google NCsoft and sony.

Here's a couple of links:

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/07/18/ggl-digs-into-ncsoft-sony-partnership/

http://www.plaync.com/us/news/2007/09/dev_corner_ncso.html

Feh, DOOM! GLOOM! Game over man! Puuh lease.

Sony announced the partnership with NCSoft on E3.

I have no links (sorry), but I'm sure you can search for it

Edit: Gunbug said it :)

Originally posted by mmcguire2

First, Woot.  CoH/CoV are both great games but this dog is almost dead.  Having Cryptic free and clear to create the Marvel MMO is exciting news.  Second, I haven’t read anything about Sony teaming up with NCSoft.  Do you have any links? I’m sure it would only mean doom for NCSoft, and that is too bad because they have some good games.  

Developing NCsoft titles for the Playstation 3 means doom..how?

This will be a positive change. NC Soft has a vested interest in this game, while Cryptic is independent.  Expect some diverse changes that they have been wanting to implement but were restricted to the capabilities, time restraints and personell issues Cryptic could allocate to this and their various other projects. I am extremely pleased. 

Originally posted by cerebrix

experience tells me that when you change dev teams completely AND studios.  then the title is doomed.

 

ncsoft is very cash light these days and honestly not doing so well financially. 

 

i hate to say it, i love CoX but this title is officially doomed.  i had hoped, if anything, cryptic would buy the title from NC....

How is NCSoft doing badly these days? They have LII which has 17 million subscribers in Asia. SOE is working on a DC comics MMO -oh...consoles-lol

Originally posted by cerebrix

experience tells me that when you change dev teams completely AND studios.  then the title is doomed.

 

ncsoft is very cash light these days and honestly not doing so well financially. 

 

i hate to say it, i love CoX but this title is officially doomed.  i had hoped, if anything, cryptic would buy the title from NC....

This is not worth arguing over. The company has  a good track record when they have full control over their product.

I hope the development of Cox continues in a good way.

I hope Viktor and (good guy, knew him from Planetside) Cryptek do well with Marvel Online.

Removing the game from Jack Emmert's influence could be a real boon for City of Heroes. Jack (aka: Statesman) always insisted that the game was going to be played his way, which alienated a lot of players. Anyone paying attention could figure that the thing with Microsoft and Marvel was going to monopolize time and resources from Cryptic since working with the big boys would be too much for Emmert's swollen ego to handle responsibly. Remember, Jack, Microsoft has a track record of pulling the plug on developing MMOs when they start to cost too much.

In any case, this is the best thing for NCSoft and City of Heroes. Now, maybe, we'll start to seem some real development.

Well, since this is the game I am currently subscribed to, i'm excited to see what happens. No point in being afraid of the future. With matt still at the helm, I have no concern it will continue to release awesome updates.

What I am really want to know more about is this little blurb in the NCSoft press release:

"NCsoft will soon be announcing formal plans for the City of Heroes IP, which will include expansions and sequels to the popular comic-book inspired massively multiplayer online (MMO) game."

Can't come soon enough...

Man doom and gloom. Shesh guys how about some positive attitude.  Okay fine I know that they are no Worlds of Warcraft but just tryo to go to Asia, go into a public computer cafe and say Lineage II suck. You will have to run for your life as the rabid fanboys (and fangirls) try to cleave you with their Magic sword +3s.

I was originally looking forward to the Marvel thingy but once I heard that it was for console only, I lost interest. Sony is suppose to be working on a DC Heroes one, so we might have another good superhero MMO. Heck if they are working with NCSoft, maybe it will have a COH feel or even make it a franchised spin-off.

Oh one other thing about COH that I have not seen in any other MMO. This place (at least on hero side) is very noob friendly and very easy to get on a team. Until someone meets those two points (as well as being a superhero) I'm going nowhere.

Cyberhuey - MUO is going to be released on the PC and Xbox360. It might require Vista though - that part hasn't been announced.

I see this announcement as a good thing. The fact that the entire CoH/V dev team is moving along with the IP is an incredibly positive sign.

At this point I think a new handle on things could only be a breath of fresh air.
They need more laborers... (animators, level designers)
and less brains... programmers and game designers.

At this point I don't think a big expansion could have done much for the game. This game is not very item based so the attachment rate is diminished there... the lack of high level content also hurts the attachment...

I'm sad that we probably will not see a City of Heroes 2.0... a World of Heroes... a City of Tomorrow... a CoH Reloaded... whatever the successors incarnation would have been like.
If we do I'm not sure it will have the appeal the original had and although I'll be first in line to play Marvel Universe Online... a nice "generic" superhero world is nice.

Cerebrex knows exactly what he's talking about when he says NCSoft is not in as good a shape financially as they previously were.    The Koreans themselves are seeing this. 

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/biz_view.asp?newsIdx=10753&categoryCode=123

Originally posted by gunbug

"ncsoft is very cash light these days and honestly not doing so well financially. "

What? Source? Again, what?

Originally posted by Lateris

 How is NCSoft doing badly these days? They have LII which has 17 million subscribers in Asia.

Originally posted by airborne519

I would expect this sort of statement from someone who obviously has no idea how successfull NCSoft is.

Read the article.

For those of you with short memories who don't remember history, NCSoft LOST Jake Song, the creator of Lineage after 'creative differences' during the development of Tabula Rasa when the Garriott Brothers were hired.

$18 million for the Garriott Brothers plus even more in stock.  That doesn't include the costs for 6 years of development of Tabula Rasa.   And TR has gotten rather mixed reviews and even the good reviews are on the lines of "It's an okay, fun game, but not great." 

This deal means NCSoft is stuck with an old superhero game and not going to get any profits from the upcoming Marvel MMO.   Even if they team with Sony on the DC MMO, who do you think is going to get most of that money?

Yeah NCSoft's CEO is a real genius.   But then who else would pay that much for the Garriotts?

hehe, i actually in mountain view :) maybe ill see some superheros

Well, this can only be a good thing for CoH/V.  CoX has reached it's limits, mostly thanks to Jack.  We'll see if NCSoft can change anything, but given their history, I wont get my hopes up.  NCSoft is legendary for their hardcore games (as in made for lifeless people), and CoX on the other hand is legendary for it's casual friendly style, which I think is the main reason why the game is still alive today - Let's hope NCSoft understands that.

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

Cerebrex knows exactly what he's talking about when he says NCSoft is not in as good a shape financially as they previously were.    The Koreans themselves are seeing this. 

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/biz_view.asp?newsIdx=10753&categoryCode=123

Originally posted by gunbug

"ncsoft is very cash light these days and honestly not doing so well financially. "

What? Source? Again, what?

Originally posted by Lateris

 How is NCSoft doing badly these days? They have LII which has 17 million subscribers in Asia.

Originally posted by airborne519

I would expect this sort of statement from someone who obviously has no idea how successfull NCSoft is.

Read the article.

For those of you with short memories who don't remember history, NCSoft LOST Jake Song, the creator of Lineage after 'creative differences' during the development of Tabula Rasa when the Garriott Brothers were hired.

$18 million for the Garriott Brothers plus even more in stock.  That doesn't include the costs for 6 years of development of Tabula Rasa.   And TR has gotten rather mixed reviews and even the good reviews are on the lines of "It's an okay, fun game, but not great." 

This deal means NCSoft is stuck with an old superhero game and not going to get any profits from the upcoming Marvel MMO.   Even if they team with Sony on the DC MMO, who do you think is going to get most of that money?

Yeah NCSoft's CEO is a real genius.   But then who else would pay that much for the Garriotts?

 

Old news, and despite it NCSoft are still well in the black. L2 alone could keep the company afloat for years to come.

I just received an email from the CoH Team saying CoH and CoV owners will now have access to both sides for free (nothing mentioned about those of us who already own both games), a total debt wipe with Issue 11 (not sure if debt is going away, or if it just means debt is reset to 0), and later a free 20,000 Prestige for SGs per member after Issue 11 is live. 

Now back to you, the players. You are the lifeblood of our game. In
celebration of our new studio and our exciting plans, and in order to
thank you for the fantastic community that you have built, we are
pleased to announce the following.

Full Access to City of Heroes and City of Villains(R)
All players with City of Heroes retail* accounts will now have access
to City of Villains, and all City of Villains retail* accounts will
now have access to City of Heroes. Players that didn't previously have
access to "the other side" will find that they do now. Just log in to
check it out!

Debt Wipe
After the launch of Issue 11: A Stitch in Time this Fall, we are
removing Debt from all characters and giving you a fresh start. Actual
date will be announced shortly. Have fun in the mean time.

20,000 Prestige
Also after the launch of Issue 11, all Supergroups will receive an
additional 20,000 Prestige per Supergroup member, meaning SGs could
acquire up to 3 million Prestige based upon their Supergroup
membership roster! Actual date will be announced shortly.


In the near future we will begin to share more information about our
development plans. With this major reinvestment and effort ahead of
us, we will take City of Heroes to new heights!

Sincerely,

The City of Heroes Team

Removing the game from Jack Emmert's influence could be a real boon for City of Heroes. Jack (aka: Statesman) always insisted that the game was going to be played his way, which alienated a lot of players. Anyone paying attention could figure that the thing with Microsoft and Marvel was going to monopolize time and resources from Cryptic since working with the big boys would be too much for Emmert's swollen ego to handle responsibly.

QFT.

Thank god Emmert is completely out of the picture now.  Now if they'll just un-nerf travel powers completely and roll back ED...

Originally posted by Serling

Thank god Emmert is completely out of the picture now.  Now if they'll just un-nerf travel powers completely and roll back ED...

Indeed, if they did this I would sign back up to play.  When they gutted my Invuln/SS tank in I5, I compensated for it, until I6 brought ED and killed my concept.  They killed my playing enjoyment, so I took my money away.

They killed my playing enjoyment, so I took my money away.

Ditto.  Only I got out at Issue 4.  The (now empty) arenas and all the nerfs that went with their cobbled together PvP system (which is still broken) drove me away.

If NCSoft wants me back as a customer, they're going to have a go a little farther than giving me free access to CoV, which never interested me in the least.

Since you brought up Jake Song's departure as a blow to the company, I must ask--did you play the game that he did after he left NC?

I admit I grow weary of the internet experts that predict the demise of games forever...UO has been "dying" since 1999.

NC's ownership of the COH IP sets up sequels--often where the money is in PC entertainment. True, this hasn't yet be proven to be the norm in MMOs, but it's still a young genre.

NC's still huge in Asia, with both L1 and L2 generating serious profit, the US is solid with L2 and COH, not to mention gangbuster GuildWars. Europe is doing quite well, recently announcing a growth of 100 additional jobs over the next couple of years.

DOOM, I say! If only they'd have held on to Jake Song and that WoW killer he ended up making!

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Originally posted by Serling

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Removing the game from Jack Emmert's influence could be a real boon for City of Heroes. Jack (aka: Statesman) always insisted that the game was going to be played his way, which alienated a lot of players. Anyone paying attention could figure that the thing with Microsoft and Marvel was going to monopolize time and resources from Cryptic since working with the big boys would be too much for Emmert's swollen ego to handle responsibly.

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QFT.
Thank god Emmert is completely out of the picture now. Now if they'll just un-nerf travel powers completely and roll back ED...

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That would be the only thing that would bring me back, other than re-adjusting level caps for defense, damage and damage resistance per archetype back to pre-PVP/arena levels.

Basically, roll the whole enhancement/cap system back to pre-PVP/ED. There was nothing wrong with it and it was fast, furious fun. Post-PVP/ED became a grind for me and left me feeling less super-heroic the more I played.

Unfortunately, it's doubtful that could even happen without a major overhaul of all of the NPC stats and all of the new content introduced since PVP/ED.

The effects of what is commonly assumed to be Jack Emmert's unilateral decision on PVP/ED most likely won't be going away any time soon.

I have an idea.. let's all worry about it, and don't forget to banter back and forth.....

for financial context

news.filefront.com/lineage-drives-ncsofts-q2-821m-sales/

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Lineage and Lineage II continue to lead the company’s sales at $27.6 million and $34.7 million respectively,

followed by Guild Wars at $8.9 million and City of Heroes/City of Villains at $6.9 million.

Sales for the Lineage series fell a respective 16% and 2% in the quarter, while the City of Heroes/City of Villains sales rose 7%.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Of_Heroes

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As of June 2007 City of Heroes has around 153,331 subscribers in the US & Europe, according to financial reports released by NCsoft in August 2007.[15]

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COH has only 150k subs but made 6.9 mill revenue for Q2

If this passing of the baton heralds some real and substantive changes to the game, then I'm all for it.  I keep coming back to the game every once in a while to see if they've made any changes that will tempt me to stay, but it's always the same old mission crap, with the same maps, same mobs and the same boring combat style.  NCSoft, here's your chance to make this more than a mediocre niche game, don't screw it up.

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

This deal means NCSoft is stuck with an old superhero game and not going to get any profits from the upcoming Marvel MMO.   Even if they team with Sony on the DC MMO, who do you think is going to get most of that money?

Well as far as financial matters go, NCSoft is doing well.  Surely not as well as That Other Game, but they are making a nice profit.  Their summer press release actually showed that CoX subs were up, probably due to Issues 9 and 10.

Most of the creative team will still be working on CoX, just under different management now.

I am not surprised by this move.  Many were wondering how Cryptic was going to balance CoX with Marvel Online, well now we know.  Remember when they originally made the deal with Marvel they did it without NCSoft.

Originally posted by Elikal

Originally posted by Robbgobb

Wonder which side is getting the better deal. CoH might have some real problems if they don't get something out there that really outdoes what the Marvel name will bring. I hope CoH wins the battle though.

CoH really deserves better than this niche. But what it needs is a REAL expension, to be more than a million offices and halls all looking the same. Maybe this change heralds a long overdue expansion and re-work. CoH is a blast, but at lv 30 or so I just thought I would yell if I gotta see one more same looking office or factory hall.

I gotta agree completely.  When I first played CoH I had a great time.  I had a few chars all in the teens then my tanker got to 30 and it was the same, same, same, same, etc...  I couldn't stand it anymore.  I think the only reason this game is surviving is because the players are either altholics or this is their first MMO and they don't know any better.  Hell I even went back to WoW from CoH.

Odd I was exactly opposite of you mehhem, I left WoW for CoX.  I read often people complain about the "if I see another office", but that never bothered me.  If I do not want to do office missions, then I don't pick one from the newspaper/policeband.  Story Arcs typically vary as to the type of setting and sometimes have special maps unique to that specific mission.

Personally it's the dern CoT cave missions I hate.  Always miss that one mob in a defeat all that is hiding in a cubby-hole somewhere....