Should be called free to log, cause if you seriously expect to play this for free you'll be seriously disapointed.  They basicly took a p2p game remove or restrict  everything that was fun to makes it buyable.

Get on board. Why do I get a mental picture of Nero playing while Rome burns?

Originally posted by Aguitha

Should be called free to log, cause if you seriously expect to play this for free you'll be seriously disapointed.  They basicly took a p2p game remove or restrict  everything that was fun to makes it buyable.

 For those who already sub and play by and large we are well aware that if we want our game to continue to play as it does now all we have to do is essentially nothing, continue to sub and get access to a new feature where we earn 500 points a month to spend as we chose to.

For those who have never played LOTRO it certainly offers them a chance to play enough of the game to know if they like it enough to make a further investment in the game.  Essentially all they have done is take the restrictions out of the game and allowed the world to look at what they have to offer and make a truly informed decision about whether you want to invest in the game world.

Not much I can see bad about the hybrid free to play model they have adopted it to me is worth a sub fee which I will gladly continue to give for full access but more importantly they have offered the entire community a chance to explore middle earth and lastly a chance to grow the game further.

heh nice trailer. Sad the two above me can't see a pure win situation like everyone else.

I stopped playing LotRO in 2008, can't remember why now. I will try it again.

I was on board until SOM came out and was such a huge disapointment.  I lived through the mess that was MOM.

This free to play stuff lol until you get to level 20, and anybody who dont have a vip account yea better get your wallet ready your going to need it to unlock a lot of stuff even if you had a sub in the past.

Weird how all these people seem to think that Turbine is a charity or something. A game that was free to play forever and at depth would be a game that very soon vanished altogether.

Originally posted by erictlewis

I was on board until SOM came out and was such a huge disapointment.  I lived through the mess that was MOM.

This free to play stuff lol until you get to level 20, and anybody who dont have a vip account yea better get your wallet ready your going to need it to unlock a lot of stuff even if you had a sub in the past.

I will exit stage left now, and let lotro continue to add more and more radiance and gear gating. 

 Or they can just buy the expansions like everyone who is playing that content did....

The voice over was pretty annoying.

I'll have to play the game a bit more to get a better feel of it.

Originally posted by erictlewis

I was on board until SOM came out and was such a huge disapointment.  I lived through the mess that was MOM.

This free to play stuff lol until you get to level 20, and anybody who dont have a vip account yea better get your wallet ready your going to need it to unlock a lot of stuff even if you had a sub in the past.

I will exit stage left now, and let lotro continue to add more and more radiance and gear gating. 

 

 Perhaps you should check your facts before posting or you end up looking like and idiot . Maybe you've got it mixed up with DDO . You can level to 50 for free . If you like the game you can subscribe when you get to the later content and pay no more than you would for a standard subscription to any other mmo or if you pay casually just use the shop to purchase the content that interests you . The way to think of free to play in this case is like a really long and comprehensive free trial that will take you months to play through if your play on a casual basis of a couple of hours a night . Those are the facts .

Originally posted by Papadam

Originally posted by erictlewis

 

This free to play stuff lol until you get to level 20, and anybody who dont have a vip account yea better get your wallet ready your going to need it to unlock a lot of stuff even if you had a sub in the past.

I will exit stage left now, and let lotro continue to add more and more radiance and gear gating. 

Sadly we all know that this isnt true. You will keep spending your life hating a game and posting your usual lies and missinformation on the forums over and over and over again.

 

Very nice trailer, looking forward to friday :)

 Well you must have not ready the faq,  nor have you read this.  Anybody comming back to the game who has canceled only has access to certain things, and will have to rebuy those again. So yes if your free to play you either save points and buy them our get a sub.

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?&postid=4936037#post4936037

And for those of you  not able to click on the link here is what the cm had to say

Lifetime subber here and I'm excited about the F2P change. My wife might actually try the game with me now and I have a few friends making characters on Riddermark and I plan to roll a new Loremaster to join them. The game IS good and I LOVED the voiceover for the new trailer, I swear it sounds like Cate Blanchett with just a small difference. She played Galadriel in the movies for those who have no idea what I'm talking about.

Anyway, if any of you plan to play hop on Riddermark on the 10th and I can give tons of pointers on the game. Character name will probably be Elocke. Have fun :D

The narrator got a little emotional in the end. Scared me. I think she's been married before.

Originally posted by elocke

Lifetime subber here and I'm excited about the F2P change. My wife might actually try the game with me now and I have a few friends making characters on Riddermark and I plan to roll a new Loremaster to join them. The game IS good and I LOVED the voiceover for the new trailer, I swear it sounds like Cate Blanchett with just a small difference. She played Galadriel in the movies for those who have no idea what I'm talking about.

Anyway, if any of you plan to play hop on Riddermark on the 10th and I can give tons of pointers on the game. Character name will probably be Elocke. Have fun :D

 

I'm a lifer too and am looking forward to lots of mates from other mmos I've played in the past joining me . I know of around 10-20 people from that have said they are at least interested in trying it .

I'm a life subscriber, more players will are always welcomed. This is a pve based game.  The high lev istance could be played only with subscriptions. I think that this will a good firewall.

Originally posted by Frostbite05

heh nice trailer. Sad the two above me can't see a pure win situation like everyone else.

 

We are three then :)

Originally posted by Papadam

Originally posted by erictlewis

 

This free to play stuff lol until you get to level 20, and anybody who dont have a vip account yea better get your wallet ready your going to need it to unlock a lot of stuff even if you had a sub in the past.

I will exit stage left now, and let lotro continue to add more and more radiance and gear gating. 

Sadly we all know that this isnt true. You will keep spending your life hating a game and posting your usual lies and missinformation on the forums over and over and over again.

 

Very nice trailer, looking forward to friday :)

But then there are always the true beleivers who see the truth and can point out how those who think for themselves wrong. As in the case of waiting for content that didnt come. I guess the players didnt really wait for content and F2P was as much a surprise to Turbine as it was for the players?  Or maybe how lifers will get everything free, including upcoming xpacs that they can spend this wealth of  free turbine tokens on? Just seems odd that sub payers and lifers are going to get this wealth of tokens to spend, items in the cash shop are just fluff and not needed and yet somehow Turbine is going to get rich and have all kinds of cash for new content, that again, they will be giving away free to lifers and sub payers.

Originally posted by Khorrax

The voice over was pretty annoying.

I'll have to play the game a bit more to get a better feel of it.

Completely agree, it was like an evil crone that wouldnt stop screaming at me =(

The only thing that sucks about the LoTRo going F2P is that they are not offering lifetime subs anymore. Other then that I cannot wait till it goes live.

Originally posted by Philby

Originally posted by Papadam

Originally posted by erictlewis

 

This free to play stuff lol until you get to level 20, and anybody who dont have a vip account yea better get your wallet ready your going to need it to unlock a lot of stuff even if you had a sub in the past.

I will exit stage left now, and let lotro continue to add more and more radiance and gear gating. 

Sadly we all know that this isnt true. You will keep spending your life hating a game and posting your usual lies and missinformation on the forums over and over and over again.

 

Very nice trailer, looking forward to friday :)

But then there are always the true beleivers who see the truth and can point out how those who think for themselves wrong. As in the case of waiting for content that didnt come. I guess the players didnt really wait for content and F2P was as much a surprise to Turbine as it was for the players?  Or maybe how lifers will get everything free, including upcoming xpacs that they can spend this wealth of  free turbine tokens on? Just seems odd that sub payers and lifers are going to get this wealth of tokens to spend, items in the cash shop are just fluff and not needed and yet somehow Turbine is going to get rich and have all kinds of cash for new content, that again, they will be giving away free to lifers and sub payers.

 Yes. Well I heard all this before with DDO.  I did have a regular sub, and had let it go a long time back.  I remember all the same promises made at that time.  When I first logged into DDO, I found a lot of the content I use to have with a normal sub was not gated by the store.  I found out I could re-sub to fix this, and pay to unlock those.  At that point in time was when DDO was de-installed from my computer.

I think a lot of folks who use to sub, when they re-sub they will find a lot of the content is locked, gold cap in place and what not.

The only way turbine makes money is for folks to spend money in the store, and this is something they are counting on.  For folks who want to continue to play they want them to sub up to a normal sub and still spend stuff in the store.

The real folks who made out were the life time members like me. We don't have to sub, or do anything nothing changes for us other than the content for low level alts like north downs and what not.  What turbine is counting on in the life time members case is us buying pots, food and tomes thus spending money they otherwise would not have received.

You cant stay in business unless folks are spending money.  So they new revenue stream is in place it is the store, they hope to make the lions share of profit out of there now. All I see is the pricing model has changed, you still have the same old tired game.

Originally posted by erictlewis

Originally posted by Philby

Originally posted by Papadam

Originally posted by erictlewis

 

This free to play stuff lol until you get to level 20, and anybody who dont have a vip account yea better get your wallet ready your going to need it to unlock a lot of stuff even if you had a sub in the past.

I will exit stage left now, and let lotro continue to add more and more radiance and gear gating. 

Sadly we all know that this isnt true. You will keep spending your life hating a game and posting your usual lies and missinformation on the forums over and over and over again.

 

Very nice trailer, looking forward to friday :)

But then there are always the true beleivers who see the truth and can point out how those who think for themselves wrong. As in the case of waiting for content that didnt come. I guess the players didnt really wait for content and F2P was as much a surprise to Turbine as it was for the players?  Or maybe how lifers will get everything free, including upcoming xpacs that they can spend this wealth of  free turbine tokens on? Just seems odd that sub payers and lifers are going to get this wealth of tokens to spend, items in the cash shop are just fluff and not needed and yet somehow Turbine is going to get rich and have all kinds of cash for new content, that again, they will be giving away free to lifers and sub payers.

 Yes. Well I heard all this before with DDO.  I did have a regular sub, and had let it go a long time back.  I remember all the same promises made at that time.  When I first logged into DDO, I found a lot of the content I use to have with a normal sub was not gated by the store.  I found out I could re-sub to fix this, and pay to unlock those.  At that point in time was when DDO was de-installed from my computer.

I think a lot of folks who use to sub, when they re-sub they will find a lot of the content is locked, gold cap in place and what not.

The only way turbine makes money is for folks to spend money in the store, and this is something they are counting on.  For folks who want to continue to play they want them to sub up to a normal sub and still spend stuff in the store.

The real folks who made out were the life time members like me. We don't have to sub, or do anything nothing changes for us other than the content for low level alts like north downs and what not.  What turbine is counting on in the life time members case is us buying pots, food and tomes thus spending money they otherwise would not have received.

You cant stay in business unless folks are spending money.  So they new revenue stream is in place it is the store, they hope to make the lions share of profit out of there now. All I see is the pricing model has changed, you still have the same old tired game.

 I really don't think Turbine gives a crap about the lifers. They get to keep everything they had, and get a 500 TP bone thrown at them every month. They really don't care about lifers and current subscribers, yet. No, what they are focusing on now are getting new players to cough up the dough.

You get an extented trial, if you can really call it that. Content stops at lvl 20 or so, which even at a casual pace fo 2-3 hours a night shouldn't really take more than a week, two tops, if you explore alot. Then all you have is the Epic quest line, which will get you what, 2-3 quests every 3 or 4 levels? The rest will be grind, grind, mindless grind. That is, if you choose not to pay, and they are counting on those new players paying.

That's why I wish they would call it something other than free to play. Free to start, free to try, something else. No matter what you do, you will have to spend money to continue playing LoTRO. No, I don't mean the expansions, i'm talking about once you get to 20, or maybe even 30. You'll have to either subscribe or begin buying the quest packs one by one.

Once they release thier next expansion is when they will start to care about getting extra money from lifers and subscribers.

Looks good! I'm on vacation that first week it goes live F2P. I can't wait to see what this does to the community. Good or bad i don't really care what happens I think just watching the whole thing go down will be almost as entertaining as playing the game.

If only the combat was more action and less.... absolutely-utterly-entirely boring.

Originally posted by Unreal024

That's why I wish they would call it something other than free to play. Free to start, free to try, something else. No matter what you do, you will have to spend money to continue playing LoTRO. 

And you've played *how* many F2P games?  Clue:  game companies don't live on air.  F2P doesn't mean that the company makes no money, or that you don't have to pay to play in the style you'd like to become accustomed to.  It simply means that you can play limited content for free.  

In nearly every Asian F2P game, you run into the notion that if you want to keep up with friends, not have to run to empty your packs every 15 minutes, and so on, you will end up paying.  If you want to *compete* with your friends (in achievements or PvP) you will have to pay more.

This is very similar to a collectible card game, in some ways.  You can buy a deck of Magic: the Gathering, and play the game all you want.  But you won't be competitive, and you'll be missing a lot of the joy of the game (creating new decks, arguing about creating new decks, showing off your cards,...).  

The "freemium" model is basically taking over the economy in general.  There are too many offers of what looks like good/fun stuff, so people want to try before they commit.  It's not slimy, and it's not going away.  

People who complain about F2P remind me of people who used to complain back in the 80s and 90s that if a company wanted to put a logo on their shirt, then the person wearing the shirt should get paid as an advertisement.  Those people exercised their choice, but they were just missing part of the way business and culture were changing, and now it just sounds like a variant of "get off my lawn!"

Admittedly, I am a lifetime/founder in LOTRO so for me this is a decent deal.  But Turbine wouldn't have taken this risk if they'd thought that the game had staying power without it.  So I am glad they are trying to shore up their market, and (as a SWG vet) I think they've taken a lot of feedback and time to explain things to the community, unlike some (*cough*SOE*cough*) game companies who thought a game with a lucrative license was in trouble.

But at the same time, my fiance is trying out the game with me next week, and I doubt if I could have gotten him to try it seriously (he doesn't have but so much time to game in 14 days) if this restructure hadn't happened.

yrs,

Shava

Originally posted by shava

And you've played *how* many F2P games?  Clue:  game companies don't live on air.  F2P doesn't mean that the company makes no money, or that you don't have to pay to play in the style you'd like to become accustomed to.  It simply means that you can play limited content for free.  

In nearly every Asian F2P game, you run into the notion that if you want to keep up with friends, not have to run to empty your packs every 15 minutes, and so on, you will end up paying.  If you want to *compete* with your friends (in achievements or PvP) you will have to pay more.

This is very similar to a collectible card game, in some ways.  You can buy a deck of Magic: the Gathering, and play the game all you want.  But you won't be competitive, and you'll be missing a lot of the joy of the game (creating new decks, arguing about creating new decks, showing off your cards,...).  

The "freemium" model is basically taking over the economy in general.  There are too many offers of what looks like good/fun stuff, so people want to try before they commit.  It's not slimy, and it's not going away.  

People who complain about F2P remind me of people who used to complain back in the 80s and 90s that if a company wanted to put a logo on their shirt, then the person wearing the shirt should get paid as an advertisement.  Those people exercised their choice, but they were just missing part of the way business and culture were changing, and now it just sounds like a variant of "get off my lawn!"

Admittedly, I am a lifetime/founder in LOTRO so for me this is a decent deal.  But Turbine wouldn't have taken this risk if they'd thought that the game had staying power without it.  So I am glad they are trying to shore up their market, and (as a SWG vet) I think they've taken a lot of feedback and time to explain things to the community, unlike some (*cough*SOE*cough*) game companies who thought a game with a lucrative license was in trouble.

But at the same time, my fiance is trying out the game with me next week, and I doubt if I could have gotten him to try it seriously (he doesn't have but so much time to game in 14 days) if this restructure hadn't happened.

yrs,

Shava

 You can look in my profile to see how many F2P games i've played, if you care to. Currently playing World of Tanks, and enjoying it somewhat. I've never spent a cent in a F2P, Torchlight MMO will most likely be the first I even consider spending money on. I don't think any of these 'F2P' games should call themselves free to play, but we were all talking specifically about LoTRO so that's the one I commented on.

I never said what they are doing is slimy, or wrong, I just pointed out how it will be. A lot of people on here seem to think that LoTRO will be different somehow, that you won't have to pay a dime untill your ready to buy Moria. People who don't realize that having the Epic story line up to lvl 50 doesn't mean anything, because that's not even close to enough content to level to 50 on.

Personally, I think LoTRO had plenty of staying power without going F2P. The population wasn't rapidly dropping, and i'm sure had enough players to keep the servers open. No, Turbine didn't make the switch in an attempt to keep the game open for us fans, they did it because they saw DDO's success with the model and wanted more money.

Originally posted by Unreal024

 You can look in my profile to see how many F2P games i've played, if you care to. Currently playing World of Tanks, and enjoying it somewhat. I've never spent a cent in a F2P, Torchlight MMO will most likely be the first I even consider spending money on. I don't think any of these 'F2P' games should call themselves free to play, but we were all talking specifically about LoTRO so that's the one I commented on.

I never said what they are doing is slimy, or wrong, I just pointed out how it will be. A lot of people on here seem to think that LoTRO will be different somehow, that you won't have to pay a dime untill your ready to buy Moria. People who don't realize that having the Epic story line up to lvl 50 doesn't mean anything, because that's not even close to enough content to level to 50 on.

Personally, I think LoTRO had plenty of staying power without going F2P. The population wasn't rapidly dropping, and i'm sure had enough players to keep the servers open. No, Turbine didn't make the switch in an attempt to keep the game open for us fans, they did it because they saw DDO's success with the model and wanted more money.

Free players also get two skirmishes and a scaling instance(consisting of 3 seperate subwings/instances). Can easily earn the 350 TPs needed for atleast the next Zone(Lonelands) which would bring them all the way to around 35. After that if you dont want to pay, yes you have to grind the three scaling instances and the two skirmishes over and over, but i dont see how thats different from grinding the same raid over and over at maxlevel for better gear.

Its not as if you have to mindlessly bash mobs to get to 50, you can level fine with just instances or skirmishes if you like your money more than you dread the repetition.

wouldn't the ultimate adventure be to lower the subscription fee to well it's what £8.99 if they lowered it to £5.99 they'd probably get twice as many people (for a 2nd MMO to stop burn out).

But no, free to play so [stupid]  people pay more than £8.99 per month... apart from that, free... free is like peace it's an illusion.

Money is just useless bits of cotton unless it's backed by something, peace is a pretty idea unless it's backed by force.

free.... it's just an illusion.... amazingly i'd avoid it, lets face it... you have better things to download and play for a few hours than this tripe. If it didn't grap you before.... it's not going to grab you now.... it's not like £8.99 is serious money.

it's a niche game, more niche due to the piss poor pvp and one faction to play with..... it was never going to be successful. it was never going to break new boundaries, it's a 2nd MMO you have subscribed.

it's shit. not as bad as DDO but congrats Turbine, now it is as bad as DDO. Death of MMO's is looming, those that keep a sub going may actually be the ones who survive the next recession.

Originally posted by Aguitha

Should be called free to log, cause if you seriously expect to play this for free you'll be seriously disapointed.  They basicly took a p2p game remove or restrict  everything that was fun to makes it buyable.

 

Indeed, Free to Log (F2L) is the most accurate discription for these games i've seen.

they should have copied ddo's pay as you go model a little more but it's still a nice trial and lotro is really a good, improved-upon wow with better lore (IE tolkien's lore).

I'd re-up my monthly sub if i wasnt waiting on ff14 (and will probably remain subbed to eve til they pry the mouse from my cold dead minmatari hands).  if they really REALLY poop the bed on ff14 i'll probably head back to landroval /grin.

Originally posted by describable

wouldn't the ultimate adventure be to lower the subscription fee to well it's what £8.99 if they lowered it to £5.99 they'd probably get twice as many people (for a 2nd MMO to stop burn out).

But no, free to play so [stupid]  people pay more than £8.99 per month... apart from that, free... free is like peace it's an illusion.

Money is just useless bits of cotton unless it's backed by something, peace is a pretty idea unless it's backed by force.

free.... it's just an illusion.... amazingly i'd avoid it, lets face it... you have better things to download and play for a few hours than this tripe. If it didn't grap you before.... it's not going to grab you now.... it's not like £8.99 is serious money.

it's a niche game, more niche due to the piss poor pvp and one faction to play with..... it was never going to be successful. it was never going to break new boundaries, it's a 2nd MMO you have subscribed.

 

it's shit. not as bad as DDO but congrats Turbine, now it is as bad as DDO. Death of MMO's is looming, those that keep a sub going may actually be the ones who survive the next recession.

PvP is niche, get it right.

Originally posted by Terminatus

Originally posted by Aguitha

Should be called free to log, cause if you seriously expect to play this for free you'll be seriously disapointed.  They basicly took a p2p game remove or restrict  everything that was fun to makes it buyable.

 

Indeed, Free to Log (F2L) is the most accurate discription for these games i've seen.

Nope sorry, doesnt really ring true for me. Log? What does that even mean? Does it have something to do with my combat log? Or does it refer to the logs the game keeps of my sessions? You can log into your account with ANY mmo, so thats also always free. It would imho be even more misleading than F2P.

Because you can play for free. If a restaurant advertises with free meal that doesnt mean its a free meal of your choosing, it means you get a meal for free. Likewise F2P allows you to play for free, now how much fun that is going to be, now thats an entirely different issue and i agree insofar as it wouldnt be enjoyable at all for me. 

But technically they are right, you can get absolutely anything in the store for free. Same way you can buy and pilot your own Titan in EvE online, i.e. no sane person would try it. But technically its possible, there is no upper limit to how many TPs you can earn, but there is a upper limit to how many TPs are needed to buy everything in the store.

Its not totally free to play and people should know that. Turbine completely tells us this yet people keep brining it up. Ight if you own the expansions like I do you don't have to pay a dime for that content since you already have. Yes you will have to pay to unlock a few zones in 1-50 or you can sub or you can level multiple toons and use your turbine points you recieved through leveling to unlock it. Also if you are a sub member and can't afford a month you can still play.

Get on board F2P?

Sorry, letting that short bus pass on by...

So far ive read that, sub payers and lifers will receive enough free tokens each month to pay for any upcoming content.

Free players can earn tokens through leveling to use for upcoming content.

Cash shop items are only fluff items and do not affect gameplay so arnt needed.

And yet with all of this Turbine is going to make a ton of money and crank out xpacs regulary. Of course there wont be any money made on xpacs because everyone will be able to earn or be given tokens to pay for them with. Anyone else tihnk Disneyland is real?

Originally posted by Philby

So far ive read that, sub payers and lifers will receive enough free tokens each month to pay for any upcoming content.

Free players can earn tokens through leveling to use for upcoming content.

Cash shop items are only fluff items and do not affect gameplay so arnt needed.

And yet with all of this Turbine is going to make a ton of money and crank out xpacs regulary. Of course there wont be any money made on xpacs because everyone will be able to earn or be given tokens to pay for them with. Anyone else tihnk Disneyland is real?

Disneyland always had 3 hour waits for the rides. 

Originally posted by Panther2103

Originally posted by Philby

So far ive read that, sub payers and lifers will receive enough free tokens each month to pay for any upcoming content.

Free players can earn tokens through leveling to use for upcoming content.

Cash shop items are only fluff items and do not affect gameplay so arnt needed.

And yet with all of this Turbine is going to make a ton of money and crank out xpacs regulary. Of course there wont be any money made on xpacs because everyone will be able to earn or be given tokens to pay for them with. Anyone else tihnk Disneyland is real?

Disneyland always had 3 hour waits for the rides. 

Q's, lag and the quality of the community is another topic but your point is well taken.

I can but only aggree with OkhamsRazor and Jaxsundane. People really don't take the time and patience to read, they should, eventually they wouldn't make fools out of themselves.

Originally posted by Philby

So far ive read that, sub payers and lifers will receive enough free tokens each month to pay for any upcoming content.

Free players can earn tokens through leveling to use for upcoming content.

Cash shop items are only fluff items and do not affect gameplay so arnt needed.

And yet with all of this Turbine is going to make a ton of money and crank out xpacs regulary. Of course there wont be any money made on xpacs because everyone will be able to earn or be given tokens to pay for them with. Anyone else tihnk Disneyland is real?

Seems to work in DDO.

Originally posted by Panther2103

Originally posted by Philby

So far ive read that, sub payers and lifers will receive enough free tokens each month to pay for any upcoming content.

Free players can earn tokens through leveling to use for upcoming content.

Cash shop items are only fluff items and do not affect gameplay so arnt needed.

And yet with all of this Turbine is going to make a ton of money and crank out xpacs regulary. Of course there wont be any money made on xpacs because everyone will be able to earn or be given tokens to pay for them with. Anyone else tihnk Disneyland is real?

Disneyland always had 3 hour waits for the rides. 

Unless you pay for the fast pass.

Originally posted by Philby

So far ive read that, sub payers and lifers will receive enough free tokens each month to pay for any upcoming content.

Free players can earn tokens through leveling to use for upcoming content.

Cash shop items are only fluff items and do not affect gameplay so arnt needed.

And yet with all of this Turbine is going to make a ton of money and crank out xpacs regulary. Of course there wont be any money made on xpacs because everyone will be able to earn or be given tokens to pay for them with. Anyone else tihnk Disneyland is real?

My experience from Beta is that advancing beyond mid twenties will cost you cash.  There are ways to actually get farther for free, but they are beyond laborious.  Fortunately, nothing in the cash shop is that expensive unlike many of the other f2p games.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Originally posted by Philby

So far ive read that, sub payers and lifers will receive enough free tokens each month to pay for any upcoming content.

Free players can earn tokens through leveling to use for upcoming content.

Cash shop items are only fluff items and do not affect gameplay so arnt needed.

And yet with all of this Turbine is going to make a ton of money and crank out xpacs regulary. Of course there wont be any money made on xpacs because everyone will be able to earn or be given tokens to pay for them with. Anyone else tihnk Disneyland is real?

My experience from Beta is that advancing beyond mid twenties will cost you cash.  There are ways to actually get farther for free, but they are beyond laborious.  Fortunately, nothing in the cash shop is that expensive unlike many of the other f2p games.

If you get MoM, you are fine...it includes up to level 65, RuneKeeper, and Warden. Leveling in this game(what I've seen in beta) was actually a lot easier than in the normal game. Let's pray and hope the LOTRO Store actually works and doesn't eat your points!

Originally posted by Pryetta

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Originally posted by Philby

So far ive read that, sub payers and lifers will receive enough free tokens each month to pay for any upcoming content.

Free players can earn tokens through leveling to use for upcoming content.

Cash shop items are only fluff items and do not affect gameplay so arnt needed.

And yet with all of this Turbine is going to make a ton of money and crank out xpacs regulary. Of course there wont be any money made on xpacs because everyone will be able to earn or be given tokens to pay for them with. Anyone else tihnk Disneyland is real?

My experience from Beta is that advancing beyond mid twenties will cost you cash.  There are ways to actually get farther for free, but they are beyond laborious.  Fortunately, nothing in the cash shop is that expensive unlike many of the other f2p games.

If you get MoM, you are fine...it includes up to level 65, RuneKeeper, and Warden. Leveling in this game(what I've seen in beta) was actually a lot easier than in the normal game. Let's pray and hope the LOTRO Store actually works and doesn't eat your points!

Not entirely correct. First MoM only gets you to level 60, you need Mirkwood for the last five. Secondly you still want to buy questpacks as they offer much more than just quests, they also give you instances, new deeds(not just for TPs but to advance your char) even entire raids.

But ozmodan is right insofar as the pricing of these critical purchases goes, its very fair and rather low. 5$ for permanent access to an area that you will see with every single char you ever level? Its not bad.

Originally posted by Aguitha

Should be called free to log, cause if you seriously expect to play this for free you'll be seriously disapointed.  They basicly took a p2p game remove or restrict  everything that was fun to makes it buyable.

 People who think like this crack me up.

Yes. They continue to stick millions of dollars into a game but they shouldn't expect to see a return on that money. They should just keep investing all of that and make it 100% free because that would be wonderful and fit right in with how companies operate.

If you are looking for games you can 100% play for free then you aren't going to find very many. And the ones you do find are either going to punish you for it so that it takes an extreme amount of time without paying (so that you will likely eventually either quit or pay money) or rely on other people footing the bill for you freeloading. The second approach still isn't used by many companies because it is tough to make a good design around it, and I bet it brings in a lot less profit then having everyone pay for small things here and there.

The truth is that game companies are not out to give you quality free entertainment. They are out to make money off of entertaining people. Due to capitalism this generally results in good things for both parties since the better quality of your product generally equates to bigger profits. Sadly people are also showing that they would rather pay for something that is a buck here and 5 dollars there and end up spending more then $15 bucks a month then they would be willing to pay just $15 a month and have equal access to everything just like everyone else so that is the direction things are moving.

I almost want to blame Apple for it. Before you could buy songs for a dollar, most people I knew bought at most 1 CD a month, generally less then that. Those same people once they could simply click to buy a song for 99 cents all of a sudden spent over $100 a month on songs because each time they thought "It's just a dollar why not". Same thing with Iphone and Ipod apps. People seem to lose reason when it comes to many cheap things vs 1 regular priced thing.

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf

Originally posted by Aguitha

Should be called free to log, cause if you seriously expect to play this for free you'll be seriously disapointed.  They basicly took a p2p game remove or restrict  everything that was fun to makes it buyable.

 People who think like this crack me up.

 

Yes. They continue to stick millions of dollars into a game but they shouldn't expect to see a return on that money. They should just keep investing all of that and make it 100% free because that would be wonderful and fit right in with how companies operate.

 

If you are looking for games you can 100% play for free then you aren't going to find very many. And the ones you do find are either going to punish you for it so that it takes an extreme amount of time without paying (so that you will likely eventually either quit or pay money) or rely on other people footing the bill for you freeloading. The second approach still isn't used by many companies because it is tough to make a good design around it, and I bet it brings in a lot less profit then having everyone pay for small things here and there.

 

The truth is that game companies are not out to give you quality free entertainment. They are out to make money off of entertaining people. Due to capitalism this generally results in good things for both parties since the better quality of your product generally equates to bigger profits. Sadly people are also showing that they would rather pay for something that is a buck here and 5 dollars there and end up spending more then $15 bucks a month then they would be willing to pay just $15 a month and have equal access to everything just like everyone else so that is the direction things are moving.

 

I almost want to blame Apple for it. Before you could buy songs for a dollar, most people I knew bought at most 1 CD a month, generally less then that. Those same people once they could simply click to buy a song for 99 cents all of a sudden spent over $100 a month on songs because each time they thought "It's just a dollar why not". Same thing with Iphone and Ipod apps. People seem to lose reason when it comes to many cheap things vs 1 regular priced thing.

 I will have to respectfully disagree with you about sticking millions of dollars into this game.  In fact the best they could do is come out with an item store, and one zone about the size of som.  Clearing shifting the phase of development to getting the new person, meanwhile hoping that one zone after 9 months will make folks at level cap happy.  I think they done this on the cheep as far as cheep can get, and they will capitalize in a big way, if ddo is any hint.  However I still laugh when folks say there sinking tons of cash into this ship, and if they are it is not showing at all.

Ahhhh....Calgon take the haters awaaaaaaaay.  I'm glad some of you view the change as free to log and won't be joining us on the flipside.  Good riddance.