Vindictus News - Boulder Throwing At Its Best
Posted by Suzie Ford on Jul 28, 2010 | 49 comments in our forums
Nexon America and the Vindictus team were on hand at last week's Comic Con. MMORPG.com's Carolyn Koh had an opportunity that many would give body parts for: She got hands on time with Vindictus. Carolyn's got a lot to say about Vindictus and its physics-based action so read on!
Vindictus, as you may have surmised, makes use of the world. You can pick up objects to throw or wield. That fence rail might just make a handy club. The huge haunch of meat? Yeah, why not pick it up and see what damage that does. Rocks make good range weapons. No, don’t throw a little stone to attract the attention of those three gnolls roaming at the fringes of the campfire. Throw a mucking big rock instead. You might take one of them out. The three of them under that crumbling portico? Take out the pillar. Let the rock do some damage.
Read all about Carolyn Koh's hands-on look at Vindictus.
First thought : Omfg sounds awesome.
Read about item shop at the end and my hype died immediatly :(
With just two characters to play at launch I think I personally will just play it intermittently while waiting for Blade and Soul to come out.
When you're playing with stock characters, how could you even care about cosmetics?
I for one will be enjoying this as soon as it's released, it looks to good to pass up, no matter what your qualm with F2P may be.
People need to get over their bias of item shops cause even P2Ps are getting them now so deal with them. It don't matter what pay type they are cause they will have item shops.
Also, Vindictus is not made to be played hardcore, it is a game you can play intermittently and be fine since it has a system that prevents you from constantly playing the game. Weither the NA version removes this is up to Nexon but I doubt they will since it wasn't removed from DFO.
"Cash shop items will be the usual cosmetic items as well as consumables such as town portal scrolls, resurrection scrolls and healing potions."
So far to your cosmetics :-/
And to the narrowminded guy who claims if someone dislikes F2P (item shop) is biased, please link me a single F2P MMO which isnt offering "pay to win" design. A MMO which only sells cosmetics. Yet i dont know a single one. Hell even DDO is going towards "pay to win" design.
I don't get what you are saying, but to extend my point, you only need look towards DFO to see how those consumables would work.
Town Portal scrolls with either let you warp back to a hub without travelling on foot (which I doubt will be the case) or let you leave a dungeon remotely, but without some kind of rez sickness based on fatigue. It's usually there to keep you from going into a dungeon and leaving it willy-nilly, so imo, who cares abut that one.
Resurrection scrolls will be like extra lives on top of a set of ones you get reset daily. It's not a problem in DFO, and I've never seen a need to buy them. You just "try not to die" so goddamn much, though "easier said than done" in some cases.
Healing potions will no doubt be found in loot, but they are hard to come by, and easy to spend. Using DFO as an example, I've never seen a reason to buy the ones from the CS when plenty are readily available to buy from players using in-game currency.
I have no doubt that the cosmetics will have stats applied, because this is Nexon we are talking about, but if it follows the same method as DFO, you can just buy them off other players for crazy amounts of money - still beats handing real cash to a company you hate, yet play their games still - don't it?
They give you ways around this stuff, and they only seem to rely on spoiled kids and spendthrifts. Poor people and those with demented principles against CS methods can usually still get what they want, they just have to work for it. You can say "it's not faaaair" when it comes to people buying things you have to work extra hard for, but with reverse logic, it's not fair they had to pay for something you can still get for free if you put in extra effort.
Time or money, which is worth more? Pick one, then deal with it.
Why you compare it with DFO (Darkfall online?) as it doesnt have an item shop o.O or i missed something.
The point i want to point out is that if they want to attract players to item shop they need offer something that every needs or wants to get. Mostly this ends offering something which gives you a benefit, that a normal player doesnt have and there for its a pay to win situation.
There for i will stick to a game with sub fee and i dont care if the sub fee is 30 dollars or 45 dollars as long its a good game.
He's refering to Dungeon Fighter Online, like me that's the way I refer it, Darkfall is just Darkfall
I can somewhat understand your opinion on cash shops but not entirly since your being stupid about it. For one thing, Vindictus barely has PvP, it is a dungeon runner, so who cares about a pay to win situation? Pay to Win only matters if there is PvP involved. Plus the cash shop items barely help with PvP to begin with.
You would rather pay on outragous sub fee then have a CHOICE to buy something? That is retarded logic. I would rather have the ability to pick what I want, when I want instead of being forced to pay outragous monthly fees for a game I have no idea how long I will be playing.
Just GTFO, we don't want ignorant biased people like you around anyway.
I hope that is the case,because when you cannot play the game 24/7 it takes a while to become an expert.So it will be new member friendly.I hope its not too focused on the cash shop aspect because that ruins the "F2P" experience,anyways im looking forward to playing this game but its going to be a while b4 its actually launched.
Well, technically, the game isn't even launched in Korea. The game is till under constant development and having updates all the time. There have been quite a few english speakers to try the game out in Korea and none of them have claimed any problem with the cash shop and I am inclined to believe them over people who just have previous bad experiences with cash shops. Cash Shops is something that people are going to have to deal with weither it be in P2P or F2P but only bashing F2Ps that use them when there are P2Ps that have them is a bias despite what people want to believe.
The only thing with this though, and I noticed with Dragons Nest(playing currently), is that people are trying to focus on one character. That being said most of the frequent players are going to PvP once they run out of fatigue or tokens however they are going to implement that system. Because there is nothing to do other than fish.
A lot of people are going to really love this game and want to play it all the time or making it their main. With only 2 characters and a fatigue system a lot of people are going to end up pvping.
I heard "Boulder Throwing At Its Best" and then didn't see a single picture of a Lugian and closed the article.
Yes that is a joke and I do understand what the article was about since someone will quote me and say "Try reading the article".
Yes I realize by posting that someone would have quoted me and said "Try reading the article" that it is now far more likely someone will do so.
AC FTW =D
another f2p, no thanks
Thank you for your contribution, how very insightful.. would guess that means f2p games are not games to play and have fun with at all.
Key words being: game, fun, and play. (Hope I don't have to break out the real world definitions..)
If none of those matter and all you care about is being on top in pvp, then sure, feel free to ignore all games other than p2p.
I for one am looking forward to this game, and the day I can hack n slash my way through more dynamic situations than we're used to, be a shame to ignore something different just out of ignorance.
if a game fails to include even the slightest attempt at a character creation system, odds are theres not much more going on then then appears at the demo.
OMIGOD THROWABLE PROPS!!!!
blowing your load just to implement one original feature is hardly a sign of awesomness to come. i give this one four thumbs down.
F2P is a perfectly viable business model, in fact with a robust enough cash shop, Nexon's profits would likely outweigh that of a P2P version.
The game looks pretty but lacks depth imo. And if it's going to be heavily instanced ala Guild Wars (which I highly suspect), then I doubt it has any real staying power.
I've been looking for it, but can't find it, but there are was vid where two players used a chain to grapple the legs of a spider boss and drag it into pillars (which fell over onto it), while a third smashed on it with an axe or something. There's a lot going on with it you don't know about, nor does it seem that you'd even care to know.
DDO,no where near pay2win LOTRO
Maybe Spiritof55 has played to many f2p games and thus has seen with his own eyes how players 'pay to win' in these types of games, for example the player in 'Runes of Magic' who payed over 26000 euro to equip his mage with a staff and a couple of other items, there are loads more examples of players with bottomless wallets aswell. If you ever think that f2p games are on a level playing field then you are dreaming.
If the Cash Shop is only cosmetic then for sure i will try a f2p game but as of yet they are all 'pay to win'.
Sorry but you attitude just comes off as being blind to what almost all cash shops offer. Nexxon is not going to let you play for free for any length of time, they are in the business to make money so it is almost a fact that you will eventually need to use the cash shop to advance further in the game at some point in time. This will be more apparent when they add pvp.
While this might be a good game at the start with it's different manner of combat and loot, you can bet in the end it will just be another how much do you want to spend to continue playing.
As I have said time and time again, there will probably be a select few who have unlimited time to avoid the cash shop, but the vast majority will find it will be the cash shop or find another game.
I don't mind paying for a game if I like it, but I have yet to see one of these f2p games that don't end up far exceeding what a normal subscription would be. I doubt this game will be any different. It is Nexxon we are dealing with here.
Nexon is a terrible gaming company. Between a horrid infestation of a crappy cash shops that turn people into anime loving retards and making meme's into buyable items along with ingame GM's being either not around to dead lazy dealing with game exploiters/botters/etc. This game is already going to end up housing the same brand of morons.
You are obviously missing the fact that the *vast majority* of F2P players actually [never spend a dime].
Anything they sell is simply incentive, and this is a point to the guy posting above you that said "you [have to] spend money to enjoy later content" - no you don't. You spend money to level faster, or to look more unique than anyone else around you, nothing is holding you back from enjoying the game at all, besides your issues with entitlement that a free game should give absolutely everything to you and run off of happy thoughts and wishes. They sell incentive, the game is free, but people's main qualm is in how if anything is held back at a cost, it must mean the game as a whole isn't worth it. Take a step outside your bubble, and actually try playing one, because the way you go on about truly makes me think you never have before.
Tons of F2P games don't lock [any] kind of content from you whatsover - besides DDO - which is now the posterchild for the methodology itself... and that is actually backwards as all hell. You can reach max levels and access all content in any F2P game, but the simple fact that items might allow you to get past it faster leads you to assume it should have been that way in the first place. You don't have to finish a game as quickly as possible, you just want to so that you can feel that crippling sensation of there being nothing to do at the end. People must actually like that crap, because all they ever ask for is "how fast can I hit a brick wall, get frustrated, and then quit?". For some that brick wall may be how long it takes to get to endgame, but for [everyone] it's actually reaching endgame and realizing there is nothing there - then signing up for seconds on the next game that comes out.
Get real people.
@above poster
Nexon is terrible, that much I agree with. Anyone who only localizes games from overseas, then applies charges has no real stake in said game, so of course they are going to rape you for as long as the game remains active. They don't care about it like the real developers do.
Geez, you sure hate Nexon.
But in all honesty, ever since Nexon brought a few changes to their IP Block system and tweaked their servers a little, there has been a major decrease in botters/exploiters. Same for Gold Farmers, they are stopped much faster compared to before, and are also much "rarer".
As for the Cash Shop, in games such as Dungeon Fighter Online, Avatars items can be sold/traded to other players using in-game currency. Other than that, the cash shop does not sell items that are necessary to win (I have maxed several characters without ever buying anything from the cash shop, and am doing pretty good in PvP also)
To be honest, Nexon game's Cash Shop are amongst my favorite, as they are not necessary. Since they tend to focus on more skill-based games, being actually good is the actual way to win, the cash shop only serves to help weaker players.
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Back on subject, I got into the Closed Beta (starts August 10th) so I can't wait. And Dragon Nest in 2011, can't wait for that game either.
Now if only a company could bring Continent Of The Ninth to NA....
EU version?.. oh wait.. never going to happen.
nexon ? lol no thanks
This isnt really a MMO is it?
Please provide me a link where they will state that there wont be any PvP at all if you arent able to do it GTFO yourself. Thank you for your time.
Yeah i will pay the outragous monthyl fees if a company can provide a game with a good quality and which gives you FUN. Its my opinion and there is no need to rage or being emo about it. Its simply childish.
"We"? Who are these "we" people? You are pretty ignorant if you dare to speak for more then yourself.
Item shop. Pass.
I'm not going to bother with this...it seems to be dungeon crawling only with no explorable world to do as you please. Just boat rides to whichever battle instance which will forseeably get old quickly in my opinion. The Item Mall offerings sound ridiculous as well...just not my speed is all. I'm sure there will be plenty of folks who will love this game though, and I think that's great. I think that the game itself sounds like a step in the right direction but far from complete so hope that the developers are given the freedom to expand on this game and open up the world. First and foremost: character customization. Just my thoughts... ;-)
I suppose this release will be limited to NA region, excluding the rest of the world, pretty much like they did with Mabinogi?
Well hopefully a proper MMo takes some of the good ideas like the interactive environment and runs with them.
Not that I don't appreciate the information, but does anyone else think this article was written very poorly?
You should eventually check out these character creation videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxKJ1WCUCoA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6qL2Cd61r0&feature=related
That looks like a lot of customization.
it just sounds like diablo 3, but with more emphasis on being able to swing chains and pieces of meat, and less emphasis on everything else.
Yes, let's compare a game that's been out for a year in Korea to a game that isn't even out yet nor has any real gameplay footage. Also considering that Diablo 3 will be Buy 2 Play with rumors that could have a monthly fee better have a better emphasis on everything else to Vindictus which is Free to Play.
Nice addvert. One thing the author forgot to mention is that this game has been out for 2 years in Asia.
What is your definition of "a lot of"? It certainly does not come close to what I consider a lot. Customization, from what we have seen from videos and such is very mediocre and you have to deal with the gender locks issues on top of that.
I am personally tired of eastern games with hundreds of players exactly like my avatar. Lately many of the newer games from Asia have included very nice customization, this game seems to reverse that trend significantly.
Did you really expect to play a game forever without paying anything? Why would a developer spend millions to put out a game and let people play for nothing without any incentive to spend money?
How naïve. Why do people think they are entitled to everything free of charge and are happy to play a game without paying a cent then moan when they have to get their wallet out!
There are no actual items in the cash shop. There are costumes and then there are dungeon tokens. Some dungeons require tokens others do not and they give out free dungeon tokens in game. Vindictus has the most fair and ballanced cash shop in existance. Not a single game breaking item.
While that sounds good, every F2P MMO ever released has ended up with game influencing tiems within two years of launch. Usually within one year.
QFT. Sorry, no Pay to Win for me.
Not very bright are you? Most people look at this game and think it will be P2P or like Guild Wars. People who like Pay to Play (IE: anyone that doesnt like Pay to Win or are older than 16) tend to hate cash shops because they create a massivly unlevel playing field and often end up costing more than pay to play games.
Alot of cash shop games start that way. Then they release new items that unbalance gameplay later in the cycle after sucking people in.
I hate to say this, but..we *have* to play as existing characters? Preset characters that a--yeah, you lost me right at that. Sorry, but the last game that I played like that -- Light or Dark Online I think -- was, while interesting playable and fine, did nothing for me. MMORPGs are about playing a role, perhaps, but I do not want to play a preset role with preset experiences in certain things.
I was excited for this, but now it's on my 'Passing this.' list.
fak, and i wanted play this.... but when i hear item shop .. i remember that casino online...ehm.. pay to win game... err i mean Battle of the Immortal :P srsly too much milking games come on market these days =.=
It really make me laugh when people cry about a game they can largely enjoy for free...mind you.. wich costs months (year?) of production and thinking have the audacity to say that the Compagny are garbage for asking ... oh got forsake 15usd out of your pocket maybe every 5 months to have the top items... Yes it prones the People who enjoy spending to do so... Plenny market in life been thriving on those Shopping craze..
And the cherry on top is those people crying will still play the game 8hrs a day and always cry in chats about the item shops...
PS: Calculate the amount of time and efforts it takes you in a P2P game system to actually be fully geared and ready.... it takes some months... and if you want an absolutely free game... then start drawing and Making rules in your head.. it wont exist in a world where Even Surviving costs us money.
Someone has never played a F2P game before.
I have no problem with Vindictus' item mall. So far anyway, and I've paid into F2P games many times, but a statement like this is rediculous. To have top items in most F2P games costs considerably more than a normal 15 a month subscription, much less 15 every 5 months as you posit. Most F2P games will cost you between 30 and 100 a month at least for top items. The F2P revenue model DEPENDS on this because most players will leach for free, so they depend on the people spending hundreds of dollars a month to stay on top to even things out from the freebs.