Looks like Icarus is doing well with the promo's.

C'mon guys, grab your key and come to the Apocalypse ;)

Sweet, I got one! I was just about to try out Fallen Earth, too. Now I don't have to try it out, I can just get it for free. BTW, this, I think is a very effective marketing pun.

Give away 2000 keys, for sure you're going to have at least 1000 new subscribers for one month at least. That's an extra $14, 950 dollars for that one month that otherwise wouldn't have been there. This is straight profit, because 1000 gamers would not have forked over the 39.99 fee to play the game. Otherwise, if they did, they wouldn't have had to sign up for the free key.

Even if its just for that one month, that sum is pretty decent to have come out of no where. That is of course assuming that half of the people who get the free month will eventually have at least one monthly fee. Furthermore, we do not know whether these people will be regular subscribers or not, generating even more profit out of thin air, so to speak.

This is really smart for both developers, and the individual consumer him or herself.

see the problem is the yet unfixed core problems that kept people from subscribing in the first place
 

i still have my bucket list from beta several of these were either critical or game breakers for many players or non-players.

a few things still on my list...

water ditch in monkeytown
travel times overly long (steam train)
costume clothing / clothing toggles
crafting que ability to pause one and craft another (shift priorities)
radiation barrier defined more obvious,, with rad meter clicker
vehicles need vehicle physics (jumping)
horse population gonna be a problem after release as in 100+ horses standing in oil
repeatable quests not identified
need grenage physics includes the poisons and acids
need shotgun physics not slug
shotgun damage out of wach 410 is the smallest NOT the bigest (12,20,410)
factions are wattery and have no unique contrast.
no player chat channels
no tiered clan bank security
need more player choice in crafting dyeing or other customizations like a blue mororcycle or green berret or spicy chicken (vs normal chicken)
no /follow command
no /drag command
ability to abort a loot or harvest by moving (foward)
if i had to pick the most critical for game it would be vehicle physics and customization,, even though the train and shotguns are important to me.
 

my expectation is that many people are after the client  and will cancel their subscription before the 30 days is up  and then re-examine fallen earth in 6 months or a year and see if these issues have finally been addressed and at that point they will allready posess the basic client,, that is if this isnt a death raddle and the game hasnt  closed its doors by then.

not having functioning water... really guys!  shame

FALLEN EARTH DEVS  you have the potential here  but you NEED to address the defeciencies  and get more raw and extreem  and pardon the pun... sick   how about an undead cat     expanding population spawns that need players to push them back like  ants or  wasps     radio stations and signals to track down   radiation  chemical and biological detectors    motion detectors  landmines   indirect fire mortars and cannons    molinov cocktails  and flame throwers.   make the factions actually  destinct  vista treehuggers should NOT be riding vehicles!!!  they should use advanced mounts  and have advanced bows and crossbows!!   equil but different should be the motto!

if your not willing to adjust  then i dont see how your gonna survive.

oh and do me a favor   put an m-14  in game please probably as a battle rifle

good luck

Originally posted by brenth

see the problem is the yet unfixed core problems that kept people from subscribing in the first place

You know, maybe it's just not the right game for you? 
It's as if you say: "If I want some strawberry cake? Oh yes please, I love it. Except... I don't really like strawberries. And I'm no fan of cake either. But once you fix these core problems with your strawberry cake, I'd love to have some!"

Unfortunately i don't qualify because i finished my trial a month ago.

Brenth seriously. Do you really feel the need to copy and paste the EXACT same stuff over and over and over again in each new FE news topic?

Not to mention that several of the issues you mention are already fixed long ago.

Jer

Insane offer.

allthought brenth has some legitamate complaints, sorry bud those are all pretty minor, go play sto for two weeks and then come back and tell us how bad the problems with fe are. honestly, you want real water, and thats an issue, try going outside and finding a pool/lake in RL. its a game, and for less than a year out there not doing bad

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Originally posted by Fuerchtegott
Unfortunately i don't qualify because i finished my trial a month ago.

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so create a new account then?

 as much as i appreciate the idea of a "Free" Key the idea that i have to register my bank details with this company before i can try the "Free" key out seems to irk me somewhat .

in order to get your free 30 days of play you have to subscribe for 30 days or more [hmm where have i heard that business model before?]  yes it reminds me of Cryptic and their game Champions and STO and we all know how badly their products turned out and how people are to this day still trying [and failing] to unsubcribe from those products.

this business model is not one that endears me to their products, sorry, but a 14 day FREE trial without having to give my bank details out would have, for me,  been a better option

Originally posted by ratranger007

 as much as i appreciate the idea of a "Free" Key the idea that i have to register my bank details with this company before i can try the "Free" key out seems to irk me somewhat .

 

in order to get your free 30 days of play you have to subscribe for 30 days or more [hmm where have i heard that business model before?]  yes it reminds me of Cryptic and their game Champions and STO and we all know how badly their products turned out and how people are to this day still trying [and failing] to unsubcribe from those products.

this business model is not one that endears me to their products, sorry, but a 14 day FREE trial without having to give my bank details out would have, for me,  been a better option

You people really don't get that do you? As I keep seeing this popping up!

This is NOT a Trial Key!  This is a FULL retail key that they are giving away. So it is treated as such. Hence, you need to fill in your details.

Pretty much every MMO company requires you to do that. This is nothing new!  It's just one of the nessessary messurements they are forced to take to make sure that YOU are YOU and a real person and ways to combat RMT.

Jer

I signed up got the key info all the info needed, but I dont know it doesn't mention how to get the client.

Edit NM support forum has a download mirror.

 thank you JeroKane for taking the time to respond

i am fully aware that this is a product key but you seem to have missed the point .

The point is that the business model is not to my liking and that many successful MMO's have not used this model in order to increase their user base.

sony offers many free to try without subscription games as does blizzard, eve, ncsoft etc etc

that some companies prefer the business model of your bank details [or god forbid a time card before you can actually get to play the game] gives me the feeling that my bank account is more important to them than perhaps my ideas for improving the game.

the answer, "Oh many companies do this" doesn't change my opinion about the company's ethics, nor does it make that company right in instigating such business plan. 

Originally posted by ratranger007

 thank you JeroKane for taking the time to respond

 

i am fully aware that this is a product key but you seem to have missed the point .

 

The point is that the business model is not to my liking and that many successful MMO's have not used this model in order to increase their user base.

sony offers many free to try without subscription games as does blizzard, eve, ncsoft etc etc

 

that some companies prefer the business model of your bank details [or god forbid a time card before you can actually get to play the game] gives me the feeling that my bank account is more important to them than perhaps my ideas for improving the game.

 

the answer, "Oh many companies do this" doesn't change my opinion about the company's ethics, nor does it make that company right in instigating such business plan. 

 

They are giving you the client, which sells when it is not on sale for 39.99, completely free of charge.

Plus they are also throwing in 30 days of free play, and you are not charged a dime unless you choose not to cancel before your 30 days are up.

You realize you have the option of using a credit card or paypal account with only a single dollar on them right? Payment details are only being used to authorize the account, which in turn allows Icarus to track the keys so that any players who decide to use the offer as a 30 day trial expressly for the purpose of causing trouble can be dealt with effectively and efficiently.

Icarus Studios has managed to form a rep as one of the most stand-up and moral companies this industry has ever seen, they have accomplished this by listening to the playerbase the entire way, taking the time to address our concerns and dealing with them in an appropriate and effective fashion.

If you had done your research you would already know that the game has a 10 day free trial available that does not require payment details in order for you to try the game. It is simply the nature of this offer that requires them to do so, they are not trying to swindle anyone in any way.

Far from it, in fact, as they have now offered another 2k keys which equates to them having given away $160,000 USD worth of product for free. Show me another company in this industry that has ever done that and I'll break out the bottle of ketchup and eat my words.

Icarus Studios is a small indy company that is without a shadow of a doubt one of the most trustworthy entities that online gaming has seen in the last decade.

Wow, people will complain about anything. You get the client, and 30 days for free.

No, stay away, they will want money from you down the road.

Originally posted by mastersam21

I signed up got the key info all the info needed, but I dont know it doesn't mention how to get the client.

 

Edit NM support forum has a download mirror.

There is also a handy link to the client right at the top of your account management page upon logging into to your account.

Look for the little Windows logo with a PC Download link right beside it, above the History section under My Account.

Originally posted by ratranger007

 thank you JeroKane for taking the time to respond

 

i am fully aware that this is a product key but you seem to have missed the point .

 

The point is that the business model is not to my liking and that many successful MMO's have not used this model in order to increase their user base.

sony offers many free to try without subscription games as does blizzard, eve, ncsoft etc etc

 

that some companies prefer the business model of your bank details [or god forbid a time card before you can actually get to play the game] gives me the feeling that my bank account is more important to them than perhaps my ideas for improving the game.

 

the answer, "Oh many companies do this" doesn't change my opinion about the company's ethics, nor does it make that company right in instigating such business plan. 

 

CHRIST! You still do not get it.

This is a FULL retail key! Do I need to repeat it again? They give you the RETAIL game wich comes with 30 free days for FREE!! Same as buying the box in the store or buying the DD online.

There is NO catch. There is NO bad ethics. There is NO shady bussiness plan involved.  You are paranoid and seeing things that are not there. My god man!  You really baffle me.

ICARUS has ALSO a 10 day Trial offer on the main site. In line like with other companies. So you can go pick that one up if you like instead. Seriously.

Pretty much EVERY MMORPG company requires you to put in your CC details when registering a RETAIL key!  It's a nessessary verfication process.  You are not charged and you are free to cancel before the first 30 days are up and remove your CC details again. And still able to continue to play out the remainder of your 30 days.

Jer

Originally posted by ratranger007

 thank you JeroKane for taking the time to respond

 

i am fully aware that this is a product key but you seem to have missed the point .

 

The point is that the business model is not to my liking and that many successful MMO's have not used this model in order to increase their user base.

sony offers many free to try without subscription games as does blizzard, eve, ncsoft etc etc

 

that some companies prefer the business model of your bank details [or god forbid a time card before you can actually get to play the game] gives me the feeling that my bank account is more important to them than perhaps my ideas for improving the game.

 

the answer, "Oh many companies do this" doesn't change my opinion about the company's ethics, nor does it make that company right in instigating such business plan. 

 

Um, I hate to point this out, but you can always do the 10-day free trial without having to give any cc info.

That offer is still running. There is a free trial, which is distinct from this offer.

This offer is for a free full retail version, which as is standard practice in most MMOs requires cc info for activation. Blizzard do it, WAR does it, Aion does it. SOE do it, so do Turbine. You call it questionable ethics, I call it the standard business model.

Originally posted by ratranger007

 many MMO's are offering 30 days of play when you buy the game and many of them activate that game "Without" needing your bank details

 

that you get a "Free" key doesn't mean that it is untraceable [each key has a different number surely?] IP's are logged also i presume?

 

your arguments are beginning to sound like those who subscribe to the idea that losing liberty for security is a viable option and we all know how flawed that idea is.

 

bank account details are worth quite a lot especially to the bean-counters so thinking that handing them over and then unsubscribing is going to be the end of it i would not have thought anyone nowadays so naive.

to Kost ........the product is actually on offer in their site shop for $15.99 and not $39.99 as you ably pointed out. but then research is a thing that takes time and energy doesn't it?

Tell us RIGHT NOW wich AAA MMORPG company hosting / developing Pay 2 Play MMORPG games does not require you to put in your CC details as verification when entering a RETAIL key?

Pretty much ALL western MMORPG companies (and NCSoft / Square Enix from ASIA that I know) require you to do that.

Funcom, SOE, Turbine, Electronic Arts (Mythic, soon also Bioware), Blizzard, CCP, Cryptic, NCSoft, Square Enix.  All require you to do that for their subscription based games.

Maybe you only have been playing Hello Kitty Online and that sort of Free 2 Play games. I don't know. But pretty much seems like it.

Jer

 to Hopscotch73 business ethics are an important factor i take into consideration when making purchases if i dont like the company's ethics i don't give them my money.

in a society today, where the consumer seems to be under the mistaken impression that it is the companies who control what you buy and how you buy products it is easy for many to think that the standard business plan is the only and right business plan. i beg to disagree. and that was the point of the original post

Originally posted by ratranger007

to Kost ........the product is actually on offer in their site shop for $15.99 and not $39.99 as you ably pointed out. but then research is a thing that takes time and energy doesn't it?

Had you actually payed attention, you would have noticed that I quite clearly stated in the very first paragraph of my response that the game is currently on sale. It also states quite clearly that the value of the product being given away is $39.99 right on the page where the keys are distributed.

Apparently actually reading entire responses is a thing that takes time and energy, doesn't it?

You also ignored all the points made against your argument and just glossed right over them, I believe my response was well written and informative. Do you truly think that a company would give away $160,000 worth of product in order to try and swindle you out of fifteen dollars (the monthly fee)? That is absurd.

Besides that, your entire argument is invalidated by the fact that they offer a COMPLETELY FREE 10 Day Trial right on the website. No payment details required.

Originally posted by ratranger007

 many MMO's are offering 30 days of play when you buy the game and many of them activate that game "Without" needing your bank details

So.... you got a free game, and you complain? You're kidding me. You don't? Seriously? Well you know, when you want to find something you dislike, you will find it. It's always this way. Most people say "hell yeah, a free full client of a great game, that is incredible" and have a good time. You rant and complain. Now, who is getting the better deal? Those who just play and enjoy the game, or you, who complains?

And about your privacy and the internet, or MMORPGs in general: there ain't much of it. You want complete privacy: don't go on the internet. Some MMORPGs even check if your browser is running while you play the game, and compare the websites you are on with a blacklist of theirs to find out who uses services they dont want players to use.

If you install and register a full subscription based game, then you will have to provide that company with your bank details. It's just that way. Don't like it? Don't play it. Noone forces you to. And ranting about it doesn't change anything either, except making you look bad.

Thanks for the gift :) I'll give it a shot

 thank you maji for coming out of the woodwork and voicing your opinion and although i don't agree with what you say i will certainly fight anyone to the death to allow you to be able to say it.

Originally posted by ratranger007

 thank you maji for coming out of the woodwork and voicing your opinion and although i don't agree with what you say i will certainly fight anyone to the death to allow you to be able to say it.

You can start by responding to my previous post. Wich you conveniently ignored.

Jer

I've already stated twice that Fallen Earth has a completely free 10 Day Trial that does not require payment details.

and i am pointing out that whatever the original access offered for the game where "Free game time is offered" there should be no need for bank account details

No offense intended, but please, let it go.  If you don't want to play the retail version, download the trial and then you won't have to do anything.  I DID like the idea of a free retail version, because I'm looking for a new MMO.  If I had gone to the store and bought FE, I'd have to put my details in.  If I wanted to download the trial, well, I wouldn't have had to do so - the fact that it is the full blown game, however, allows me to interact with the community and see what I think.

Bottom line, don't like it?  Don't use it.  This is a good idea - I bought the full blown AoC when it was 4.99 because I wanted to try it after I did the trial and wanted to see what the full version was like.  I didn't like it, I canceled, but I got 30 days of the real thing for 4.99.  This is 30 days of the real thing, and we will see.

Furthermore, there are PLENTY of F2P MMOs that do not require that you subscribe.  Feel free to play one of those, but quit complaining.  Some people think this is a great idea (ME) and would love it if all MMOs went with the free to download costs money to subscribe after a certain time period model.  It's perfect.  Cash shop games can end up costing WAY more than a monthly subscription (Runes of Magic comes to mind - good game, but practically requires you to use the cash shop if you want to really enjoy the game).

We shouldn't have to give them our bank info just to play the game and get the 30-days free....then again that's how its worked on mythic as well. 

Well I'm going to take the 10-day free trial if I find myself having fun ill simply subscribe and hope to get those 30-days free :P and cancel right after.

I mean after-all at least we got the game itself ((free)) we didn't have to buy the $39.95 game itself :D

 feel free to report me if you wish JeroKane but i am sure you will see it is not I who is flaming or insulting other posters. infact JeroKane I insist you report me and while you are doing that ask them to read your comments while they are at it. [and please dont edit them because that shows up on the forum too]

that i do not subscribe to your views doesn't automatically make mine wrong.

My argument is a valid one as was my post and up till now i have heard no arguments that would even come near to changing my opinion 

Originally posted by ratranger007

 thank you maji for coming out of the woodwork and voicing your opinion and although i don't agree with what you say i will certainly fight anyone to the death to allow you to be able to say it.

"I don't agree" is certainly an indepth explanation of your opinion and an argument worth this discussion. Not to mention an actual response to the contents of my reply. Wait a minute.... it's not! And if some dude starts a discussion that makes no sense, and then ain't interested in actually replying, then that is nothing else but trolling. Bad troll, bad!

Honestly, I hope this idea catches on.  Trials tend to be limited so that you can't interact with the community - and as we all know, the community is critical in an MMO, there has to be a good fit.  Who wants to blow $40 on a game you may end up playing for only an hour or two before you decide the community is not for you and the game is a disaster?

 maji

the whole point of the post is quite simple really

I advocate that if a company offers free game time online so that others may view their product whether it be as a trial offer or a CD Key then there should be NO need to collect bank details in the process. 

BEWARE: if you sign up then instantly cancel you do not get the 30 days free! -

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I found this on another post so I thought id just warn some of those who come across this one +o

Jumped on this offer. Always been interested in this game and this is a fantastic offer $40 value.

If you don't like the idea of giving your card information over for a verification, well you don't have to. Just let the deal and the key you collected die off. I for one wasn't charged so no bitching there.

 thank you very much for posting this infomation xer0id

Originally posted by ratranger007

 retail packages offer free game time that is standard one should not have to give bank details to them to activate that free game time offered

I think the confusion over your posts is that your issue is not with Fallen Earth or this offer specifically.  From this post, it seems the practice you have a problem with is collecting cc info at any point before a full subscription starts.  So you have to apply the same to all the other titles mentioned in this thread.

It only intensifies the confusion when it seems you are singling out this offer of Fallen Earth and saying other companies do not have the same model.

Originally posted by ratranger007

 feel free to report me if you wish JeroKane but i am sure you will see it is not I who is flaming or insulting other posters. infact JeroKane I insist you report me and while you are doing that ask them to read your comments while they are at it. [and please dont edit them because that shows up on the forum too]

 

that i do not subscribe to your views doesn't automatically make mine wrong.

 

My argument is a valid one as was my post and up till now i have heard no arguments that would even come near to changing my opinion 

Maybe you should start reading back all the way from the beginning to this point. Then we talk again.

As lets summarize shall we?

1. ICARUS offers an amazing offer and gives away RETAILkeys for FREE!

2. You come and you are dissapointed that you had to fill in your CC details. 

3. No one accused you or blamed you for feeling that way. We just explained to you that this is a RETAIL key and so you are required to fill in CC details, like in any other subscription based MMORPG.

We even directed you to the Fallen Earth main website where you can get a TRIAL for FREE and no need to fill in CC details.

4. Then you ignored that and continued about how ICARUS has bad ethics and bad bussiness practices for requiring you to fill in CC details. And all kinds of other paranoid stuff.

5. We AGAIN try to tell you the difference between RETAIL and TRIAL and how pretty much all other subscription based MMORPG's require you to do it.

6. You again ignore it and even started claiming that other MMORPG companies do not require you to submit CC details.

7. I challenged you to give us examples of subscription based MMORPG's that do not require you to fill in CC details. I also gave you pretty much all current AAA subscription based MMORPG titles who require CC details. To make it easier for you to find examples.

8. You completely ignored it. And then started posting TRIAL offers from EVE Online and City of Heroes and Guild Wars instead.

While we clearly explained to you the DIFFERENCE between TRIAL and RETAIL and that Fallen Earth has also a TRIAL on their mainwebsite.

9. Instead of being mature and admit you were wrong. You ignore it again and continue your ranting. And now even turning into a completely different discussion.

So who is ignorant, childish and immature to the point that you can classify it as trolling and flame baiting?

Not us, who have tried to reason with you and provided you nothing but FACTS and CLEAR examples.

Jer

Originally posted by ratranger007

 maji

 

the whole point of the post is quite simple really

 

I advocate that if a company offers free game time online so that others may view their product whether it be as a trial offer or a CD Key then there should be NO need to collect bank details in the process. 

 

 

FE (as has been stated numerous times) offers a free trial with no need for bank details.

The free CD key is a different offer entirely and requires cc details for activation. If you wish to live off-grid (as it were) and allow no games company access to your cc details you have 2 options:

1. Play F2P games and do not use their item shops.

2. Only play limited content free trials, such as WAR/AoC, they may be "endless", but they are restricted.

(I was thinking of putting EvE in there, but I'm not sure about CCP's billing methodology, if you don't require a cc along the way they'd be unique in the field. )

It is completely your right to play whatever and however you wish, as it is your right to have all the opinions you want on the ethics of games companies. I would suggest, however that were there anything ethically shady about the practices of Blizzard / Mythic / SOE / NCSoft / Icarus and all the other game companies that follow this practice they would have been come down from by a height by consumer groups and sued into the ground. That they haven't and that they all continue to have, and gain, subscribers would seem to indicate your opinion to be in the extreme minority.

No matter how vocal you are about it, it's a minority stance, and I'm sure Icarus will scrape by quite nicely without your cc details.

Your disgruntlement with them does not detract in any way from the generosity of their offer. No matter how much you may like it to.

they must be really hurting for subs if they are doing a promotion like this.

To the popcron worthy posters - Guys remember where you are your at MMORPG.com, this is troll flame ville, most of these posters that 'claim' things don't know jack about what their talking about and try to 'justify' why somthing that they don't like is bad and everything is evil and everyone should 'do as they say' with doubletalk.

The guy doesn't like the game and is trying to make sure everyone doesn't take up the offer because HE said so and he's trying to justify it really badly - just leave him to play Farmville or somthing.

Plus this offer has worked a lot of new and returning players are thinking of staying with the game, myself included, 'desperate' or not the offer payed off - kudos to them for trying somthing orginal... AGAIN!

Woah, got my key, I am so excited! Great deal, thanks to those who brought this to us :)

I tried FE out when they offered that free 10 days within the first bit of the game's release. It was interesting, I couldn't get passed the clunkiness, so I didn't feel like paying 50 bucks for the game. But now my mouth is watering at not having to pay that retail fee, and a full 30 days to get into it... SWEET!

Will be starting once I beat Mass Effect 2 :)

Originally posted by xer0id

BEWARE: if you sign up then instantly cancel you do not get the 30 days free! -

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I found this on another post so I thought id just warn some of those who come across this one +o

well it actually worked for me:P my acc will be active for 30 days but still i don't think im gonna play at all .. Graphics/Animations are such a turn off , rly disappointed . I played this game back in beta but once again turned off by the graphics , thought it would be different now but crap

I have been trying to find the client to download, and i still don't see it anywhere. I know I'm just blind,... seriously... >.> I USE BRAILLE! ... no really though i can't seem to find it anywhere. so if some one could throw up a link or something, i tend to over pass things.. A LOT. thank you!

WOW... i am really the definition of dork. just found it. thanks anyways. haha.

Well I gave it a good 4 hours, and I have concluded this is definitely not for me.  The community is nice, but apparently this is a heavy duty crafting oriented game with little that is group oriented (is there even any raiding?).  If this was a f2p, I could understand messing around for hours and hours on end just to be able to gain a level.  After 4 hours, I was still in the same clothes I was in from the beginning - it's definitely not "loot oriented".  Maybe I'm just too much of a loot ho for this to appeal to me.

Nice atmosphere - I just wish it was a bit more exciting and had a little bit faster pace.  This will likely appeal to anyone who likes crafting, though, and wants something completely different than elves and dwarves.  I just don't see much here that I personally want to do.

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Originally posted by Aerows
Well I gave it a good 4 hours, and I have concluded this is definitely not for me.  The community is nice, but apparently this is a heavy duty crafting oriented game with little that is group oriented (is there even any raiding?).  If this was a f2p, I could understand messing around for hours and hours on end just to be able to gain a level.  After 4 hours, I was still in the same clothes I was in from the beginning - it's definitely not "loot oriented".  Maybe I'm just too much of a loot ho for this to appeal to me.
Nice atmosphere - I just wish it was a bit more exciting and had a little bit faster pace.  This will likely appeal to anyone who likes crafting, though, and wants something completely different than elves and dwarves.  I just don't see much here that I personally want to do.

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Beginning levels go slow, no idea why... but it definitely speeds up. But you are right, it isn't a loot oriented game, you will craft most of your loot. And there is some group content, but not 'raids'.

Originally posted by Hopscotch73

Originally posted by ratranger007

 maji

 

the whole point of the post is quite simple really

 

I advocate that if a company offers free game time online so that others may view their product whether it be as a trial offer or a CD Key then there should be NO need to collect bank details in the process. 

 

 

 

FE (as has been stated numerous times) offers a free trial with no need for bank details.

The free CD key is a different offer entirely and requires cc details for activation. If you wish to live off-grid (as it were) and allow no games company access to your cc details you have 2 options:

1. Play F2P games and do not use their item shops.

2. Only play limited content free trials, such as WAR/AoC, they may be "endless", but they are restricted.

(I was thinking of putting EvE in there, but I'm not sure about CCP's billing methodology, if you don't require a cc along the way they'd be unique in the field. )

It is completely your right to play whatever and however you wish, as it is your right to have all the opinions you want on the ethics of games companies. I would suggest, however that were there anything ethically shady about the practices of Blizzard / Mythic / SOE / NCSoft / Icarus and all the other game companies that follow this practice they would have been come down from by a height by consumer groups and sued into the ground. That they haven't and that they all continue to have, and gain, subscribers would seem to indicate your opinion to be in the extreme minority.

No matter how vocal you are about it, it's a minority stance, and I'm sure Icarus will scrape by quite nicely without your cc details.

Your disgruntlement with them does not detract in any way from the generosity of their offer. No matter how much you may like it to.

 

3. Use paypal. Yes they take paypal.

Originally posted by Aerows

Well I gave it a good 4 hours, and I have concluded this is definitely not for me.  The community is nice, but apparently this is a heavy duty crafting oriented game with little that is group oriented (is there even any raiding?).  If this was a f2p, I could understand messing around for hours and hours on end just to be able to gain a level.  After 4 hours, I was still in the same clothes I was in from the beginning - it's definitely not "loot oriented".  Maybe I'm just too much of a loot ho for this to appeal to me.

Nice atmosphere - I just wish it was a bit more exciting and had a little bit faster pace.  This will likely appeal to anyone who likes crafting, though, and wants something completely different than elves and dwarves.  I just don't see much here that I personally want to do.

The game does not have the "suck you in" formula most other mmo's have of allowing you to get the first 5 levels in 2 hours. I brought this up in Alpha and was ignored.

There is a tradeoff ,though, all levels are earned in same amount of time. I am capable of earning 1 level in a 4 hour period of time just from running missions in the towns. Admittedly, still alot to learn and takes a long time to learn everything but in the end, it pays off.

Originally posted by kb056

Originally posted by Aerows

Well I gave it a good 4 hours, and I have concluded this is definitely not for me.  The community is nice, but apparently this is a heavy duty crafting oriented game with little that is group oriented (is there even any raiding?).  If this was a f2p, I could understand messing around for hours and hours on end just to be able to gain a level.  After 4 hours, I was still in the same clothes I was in from the beginning - it's definitely not "loot oriented".  Maybe I'm just too much of a loot ho for this to appeal to me.

Nice atmosphere - I just wish it was a bit more exciting and had a little bit faster pace.  This will likely appeal to anyone who likes crafting, though, and wants something completely different than elves and dwarves.  I just don't see much here that I personally want to do.

 

The game does not have the "suck you in" formula most other mmo's have of allowing you to get the first 5 levels in 2 hours. I brought this up in Alpha and was ignored.

There is a tradeoff ,though, all levels are earned in same amount of time. I am capable of earning 1 level in a 4 hour period of time just from running missions in the towns. Admittedly, still alot to learn and takes a long time to learn everything but in the end, it pays off.

 

 

I don't think people realize that this game is sort of played like EvE or Dark Fall. Eve, in my opinion is possibly the most boring game that anyone could pick up for a trial. 14 days is not even close to enough time though to get things done. I know this because I've tested both and had both of those feelings.  Once you get past 2 weeks of gameplay though in  Eve, it can be a lot of fun! 

  Same thing here with dark fall, four hours is not enough time. Games that take long periods of time to play should have more things like what Fallen Earth just did. That way you have 30 days to experience the game. Personally this is the kind of game for people who enjoy games like EvE or Darkfall. Long and tedious, and can put you to sleep. But man when it all hits the fan it's AWESOME!

So please, this is just something to keep in mind. If you are looking for something that will draw you in, in four hours with lush story etc.. you  have your options.

AoC ( story line is right off the bat)

WoW ( Faster speed leveling, faster upgrades, all about the gear.)

Guild Wars ( F2P , lush story line, quick leveling, faster upgrades. )

IMO Those three games right there have that "play for four hours and enjoy it" feel because it's simple and that's what it sounds like people want now a days. So obviously then you wouldn't be labeled into the "hard core" though either.

Fallen Earth, Eve, and Dark Fall are really NOT for the casual gamer. Just stating a fact. Players like myself, that's a whole different story, and Icarus might possibly have a Sub... or four from me.

Awesome.  People, try this game.  It's honestly the best MMO out there right now, in more ways than I can count.

You can't compare Fallen Earth and EVE.

I *hate* EVE.  I've tried to play it.  Really.  I hate it.  I played it for a month.  Still hated it.  It's a spreadsheet - honestly, it's f'ing Microsoft excel drop-down spreadsheet menus with a space-game skin placed on top.  That's it.  I don't know how people consider EVE a game, even.  It's a joke.

I *love* Fallen Earth, and all it took was 2 hours of gameplay for me to decide that.  EVE offers nothing close.  Comparing EVE to Fallen Earth is like comparing a rotting corpse to a Playboy centerfold model in terms of sexual attraction.  Not even close, unless you happen to be a necrophiliac.  :)

Sorry for the colorful descriptions but... honestly... someone comparing EVE to Fallen Earth makes the bile rise in my throat.  Fallen Earth is a great game.  EVE's a glorified spreadsheet.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

 

3. Use paypal. Yes they take paypal.

Ah yes, but then paypal would have his cc / bank details, and I'm not so sure he'd like that either ; )

Originally posted by -exo

Fallen Earth, Eve, and Dark Fall are really NOT for the casual gamer. Just stating a fact.

That isn't a fact, it is an opinion.

Casual players can easily get just as much entertainment out of any of the three games listed as Hardcore players can.

Darkfall is less forgiving on casual playstyles in terms of character development, no denying that, but that does not make it any less viable to play casually. There are tons of players in DF who have only casually played the game since launch and been very successful regardless.

Fallen Earth is quite easily casually played, I don't even feel the need to provide examples because it is such a well known and undisputed fact. There is nothing hardcore about the way FE plays and hardcore players do not get any type of benefits other than the fact that they reach cap ahead of others.

EVE is easily the least casual friendly of the three and even it caters to casual playstyles these days. I have personally played the game casually for a little over a month and a half now, my girlfriend has as well. We have had no trouble playing this way at all and our experience ingame has been very rich and fulfilling to say the least. I also have numerous friends from real life that have played casually for the past few years.

Bottom line, I know plenty of casual players in each of the games listed.

Stating that it is a fact that these games are not for the casual gamer is in no way accurate and the reality of the situation is that each of those games most certainly can be played casually and there is plenty of evidence of that occurring on a daily basis.

Originally posted by Justarius1

You can't compare Fallen Earth and EVE.

 

I *hate* EVE.  I've tried to play it.  Really.  I hate it.  I played it for a month.  Still hated it.  It's a spreadsheet - honestly, it's f'ing Microsoft excel drop-down spreadsheet menus with a space-game skin placed on top.  That's it.  I don't know how people consider EVE a game, even.  It's a joke.

 

I *love* Fallen Earth, and all it took was 2 hours of gameplay for me to decide that.  EVE offers nothing close.  Comparing EVE to Fallen Earth is like comparing a rotting corpse to a Playboy centerfold model in terms of sexual attraction.  Not even close, unless you happen to be a necrophiliac.  :)

Sorry for the colorful descriptions but... honestly... someone comparing EVE to Fallen Earth makes the bile rise in my throat.  Fallen Earth is a great game.  EVE's a glorified spreadsheet.

Aw, well I'm sorry to hear that. But sad enough to say that and darkfall are two out of the three games out there to compare the long tedious play of Fallen Earth to. No matter how much you hate a game or not, this is the truth. Sorry your upset.  The tedious game play of Fallen Earth is not bad though,  just telling you the truth here. Also trying to paint a picture for players who expected WoW or guild wars. Do not expect it.

Originally posted by ratranger007

 maji

 

the whole point of the post is quite simple really

 

I advocate that if a company offers free game time online so that others may view their product whether it be as a trial offer or a CD Key then there should be NO need to collect bank details in the process. 

 

 

Okay let's see if I can make it clear to you.
 

Want a free trial, goto the fallen earth website and only register a new account NO NEED FOR CC details, but you get offered 10 day's of free play.

Want to register a RETAIL KEY then like EVERY OTHER MMORPG EVER MADE you need to put in CC details.

Hope this makes it clear to you.

Remind me again why they kept the SHINDIG advertisement plastered on the main page when the thing has been over for almost 24 hours now?

Originally posted by randomt

Remind me again why they kept the SHINDIG advertisement plastered on the main page when the thing has been over for almost 24 hours now?

 

simply click the link and you would have found out:

In celebration of St. Patty’s Day, the Fallen Earth development team has decided to team up with MMORPG.com to host a month-long "Shamrock Shindig!"

See the month aint over yet is it?

Originally posted by -exo

Originally posted by Justarius1

You can't compare Fallen Earth and EVE.

 

I *hate* EVE.  I've tried to play it.  Really.  I hate it.  I played it for a month.  Still hated it.  It's a spreadsheet - honestly, it's f'ing Microsoft excel drop-down spreadsheet menus with a space-game skin placed on top.  That's it.  I don't know how people consider EVE a game, even.  It's a joke.

 

I *love* Fallen Earth, and all it took was 2 hours of gameplay for me to decide that.  EVE offers nothing close.  Comparing EVE to Fallen Earth is like comparing a rotting corpse to a Playboy centerfold model in terms of sexual attraction.  Not even close, unless you happen to be a necrophiliac.  :)

Sorry for the colorful descriptions but... honestly... someone comparing EVE to Fallen Earth makes the bile rise in my throat.  Fallen Earth is a great game.  EVE's a glorified spreadsheet.

 

Aw, well I'm sorry to hear that. But sad enough to say that and darkfall are two out of the three games out there to compare the long tedious play of Fallen Earth to. No matter how much you hate a game or not, this is the truth. Sorry your upset.  The tedious game play of Fallen Earth is not bad though,  just telling you the truth here. Also trying to paint a picture for players who expected WoW or guild wars. Do not expect it.

Again, claiming gameplay in Fallen Earth is "long and tedious" isn't the truth; those are descriptive terms, and this is your opinion.

And opinion I might add thousands of people "casually" playing Fallen Earth RIGHT NOW are probably laughing their asses off about.  Comparing FE to EVE or Darkfall?  Really?  There's no comparison.  I could do what you did and say, "And that's the truth, like it or not..." - But I'm not that arrogant.  That is my opinion, and the opinion of thousands of others, who deny your "truth" -

Fallen Earth is VERY easy to casually get into, you can play it for an hour a day if you like and feel accomplished.  EVE is such a different animal I don't even know how you compare them.  And Darkfall?  That PvP gankfest you actually compare to Fallen Earth.

*Scratches head*

Your "truths" are very different from mine, friend.  To anyone who thinks you can't play FE casually - do the 10 day free trial.  PM me here if you want a guide in the newbie areas.  This game is one of the easiest games to get into and play casually that I have ever encountered.

Comparing them to EVE or Darkfall is simply ridiculous.  One's a spaceship spreadsheet game based on PvP; Darkfall is entirely a PvP gankfest, and Fallen Earth you can ENTIRELY play PvE and never enter a PvP zone if you don't feel like it.

Where's the comparison?  I can reach max level in FE, casually, with an hour of simple playtime a day.  And you compare this to EVE or Darkfall?

You've lost *all* credibility with me, and probably quite a few others on this site - at least, anyone who's played the three games.

boy those keys go quick...getting old and slow.

Bought this game at launch. Came back four weeks ago, and it's just brilliant. Why do people even compare this game? This is FE, it's a MMO with a very dedicated developer. Doing their own things. No copying. Ofcourse, every MMO has the same basic features.

I finally found my MMO, after 2 years of searching. Played LotRO before this, but kinda fed up with the: Tab, select target.