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4 years of balancing

4 years of failing at it

Today i would simply say that its easyer to make players think they were given content by fuxing around with their skills. Sad.

Some good changes. Some. I don't know why they're so afraid to make the necessary changes to the classes that need it. What, are they afraid they're gonna break the game? They've done that a few times already. Who cares? They can fix it if they mess up. And seriously, Priests need to be able to do something about poison. It's dumb that they can't.

Originally posted by Aerensiniac

4 years of balancing

4 years of failing at it

Today i would simply say that its easyer to make players think they were given content by fuxing around with their skills. Sad.

Yeah they fail so much, 12 millions players still playing it...

No class will ever be finished, so changes is just a normal thing in any mmo's.   I just wish they would fix pvp and bring peoples back in the BG instead of sticking with their arena system which most peoples dont like.

Originally posted by Aguitha

Originally posted by Aerensiniac

4 years of balancing

4 years of failing at it

Today i would simply say that its easyer to make players think they were given content by fuxing around with their skills. Sad.

 

Yeah they fail so much, 12 millions players still playing it...

No class will ever be finished, so changes is just a normal thing in any mmo's.   I just wish they would fix pvp and bring peoples back in the BG instead of sticking with their arena system which most peoples dont like.

Hmmm...... BG?  If I still played WoW id be in Lake Wintergrasp........   World PvP is always better IMHO. But to each their own.

They do fail at balancing horribly. 

They always throw another piece of cloth on the rent jacket instead of starting over and seeing what they stiched wrong on the last one..the result..an ugly messy sloppy unevently textured jacket..

I know rogues were perhaps ..OP so what did they do? The screwed rogues into playing only one talent tree. 

As if making us learn a new itemization system every expansion wasn't enough!!

blizzards constant faliure to balance classes is what led me to leave the game upon reaching 80  . the pvp side of the endgame is essentially broken at present . i ll be interested in seeing what they are going to the classes that need nerfing most ie paladins , rogues and death knights . also they need to deal with the 20 second lag you get when theres any world pvp . i ll try wow again in 6 months time but i dont expect much to be sorted out . the game is a total mess at the moment . the pve side of the game is still a lot of fun but i find doing pve all the time boring . wows success is down to one thing only, its a giant social event . a huge virtual chat room . people stay way beyond the point of boredom because they have friends there .

Cracks me up the pvper's are always whining about changes to this game.  Wonder why?  Oh yeah, because this is really not the game to play if you like solo pvp.  It is a team pvp game and few play it that way.

So get a clue, the balance is not intended to make all classes equal, put together a party that supports one another and learn to play the game the way it is intended.

Pre set up BGs are good, unless your the other side.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Cracks me up the pvper's are always whining about changes to this game.  Wonder why?  Oh yeah, because this is really not the game to play if you like solo pvp.  It is a team pvp game and few play it that way.

So get a clue, the balance is not intended to make all classes equal, put together a party that supports one another and learn to play the game the way it is intended.

Please provide some proof that the game was designed for team pvp. Oh yeah there isnt any, you pulled that out your backside. Daoc and War were designed for team play, blizzard has done about all they can to make it so every class can do everything solo, including pvp.

Originally posted by finnmacool1

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Cracks me up the pvper's are always whining about changes to this game.  Wonder why?  Oh yeah, because this is really not the game to play if you like solo pvp.  It is a team pvp game and few play it that way.

So get a clue, the balance is not intended to make all classes equal, put together a party that supports one another and learn to play the game the way it is intended.

 

Please provide some proof that the game was designed for team pvp. Oh yeah there isnt any, you pulled that out your backside. Daoc and War were designed for team play, blizzard has done about all they can to make it so every class can do everything solo, including pvp.

If that were true, BG's would have never been introduced. You can't win a BG by yourself... but hey, you can kill a couple people and think you're king shit, that's always so awesome, right?

If the PvP was designed to be entirely solo, there would only be 1v1 arena's and duels in the game for PvP. Don't think too hard about it, though... you don't seem like someone who'll understand.

Blizzard has said that they do not try and balance the class's individualy, ... so that to me must mean that they dont intend to have solo PVP .. but instead group PVP .. that must be why there are BG's at the end and not solo PVP games.   huh

to me its not worth even trying to make them balanced when you have GEAR that makes them totally over powered from anyone with out gear ANYWAYS !!!  duh

the only good PVP game that could possibly be balanced IMHO is a game that is based on skill not gear !

tell me that this game isnt based on gear and your a moron .

Originally posted by Aerensiniac

4 years of balancing

4 years of failing at it

Today i would simply say that its easyer to make players think they were given content by fuxing around with their skills. Sad.

I like how you think that this is all the patch is, if you have read or would read, this is PART of the 3.1 patch. The rest of it is a new 80 raid instance in the Ulduar area of Storm Peaks, Tier 8, finally get that stupid dance studio, and some other minimal things. They do changes with EVERY patch to classes, but this time, they are actually doing something more then minimal to most.

So there IS new content and not just goofing with our skills like they have become so renown for doing.

Originally posted by finnmacool1

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Cracks me up the pvper's are always whining about changes to this game.  Wonder why?  Oh yeah, because this is really not the game to play if you like solo pvp.  It is a team pvp game and few play it that way.

So get a clue, the balance is not intended to make all classes equal, put together a party that supports one another and learn to play the game the way it is intended.

 

Please provide some proof that the game was designed for team pvp. Oh yeah there isnt any, you pulled that out your backside. Daoc and War were designed for team play, blizzard has done about all they can to make it so every class can do everything solo, including pvp.

You must be one of the alliance tards running around in the BGs solo-cowboy style, instead of playing as a team...and then wonder why your precious faction keeps losing.

Originally posted by Aerensiniac

4 years of balancing

4 years of failing at it

Today i would simply say that its easyer to make players think they were given content by fuxing around with their skills. Sad.

If you think Blizzard fails so badly, then you obviously never played DAOC years ago. DAOC had the worst class balancing ever. Their philosophy was to buff some class into awesomness, then realize they went to far, nerf the class into oblivion and then a few months later, it would finally be an okay class. This is where the term "flavor of the month" in terms of classes came from.

Blizzard isn't great at it by any means but if you take all the classes into account and times it by the talent specs, it is very problematic. And a lot of this are fixes that should have been around for a long time (like combining shaman totems) and not necessaily balancing as much.

Originally posted by finnmacool1

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Cracks me up the pvper's are always whining about changes to this game.  Wonder why?  Oh yeah, because this is really not the game to play if you like solo pvp.  It is a team pvp game and few play it that way.

So get a clue, the balance is not intended to make all classes equal, put together a party that supports one another and learn to play the game the way it is intended.

 

Please provide some proof that the game was designed for team pvp. Oh yeah there isnt any, you pulled that out your backside. Daoc and War were designed for team play, blizzard has done about all they can to make it so every class can do everything solo, including pvp.

How about:

"It's not important to us that every single class is equally balanced against every single other class in a 1-on-1 PvP situation"

source: http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/27/blood-sport-rock-paper-scissors/

Originally posted by Gajari

Originally posted by finnmacool1

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Cracks me up the pvper's are always whining about changes to this game.  Wonder why?  Oh yeah, because this is really not the game to play if you like solo pvp.  It is a team pvp game and few play it that way.

So get a clue, the balance is not intended to make all classes equal, put together a party that supports one another and learn to play the game the way it is intended.

 

Please provide some proof that the game was designed for team pvp. Oh yeah there isnt any, you pulled that out your backside. Daoc and War were designed for team play, blizzard has done about all they can to make it so every class can do everything solo, including pvp.

 

If that were true, BG's would have never been introduced. You can't win a BG by yourself... but hey, you can kill a couple people and think you're king shit, that's always so awesome, right?

If the PvP was designed to be entirely solo, there would only be 1v1 arena's and duels in the game for PvP. Don't think too hard about it, though... you don't seem like someone who'll understand.

Wow what amazing intellect you possess. By your amazing logic you can only level in a group too right? I mean there are dungeons and group quests so the game was obviously designed only for group play right?Eq1 and other games have best of the best tournaments pitting chars of the same class 1v1 in pvp. I guess that means eq1 is a pvp game too huh?

To all the "slow"  folk out there citing bg,arena,and statements about not being designed for every class to be equally effective against each individual class, well duh. The game wasnt designed around bg or arena they were added post launch as an added feature.

The classes were originally designed around rock,paper,scissor match ups. The classes were designed so some classes had an advantage over some and disadvantages against others. That does not mean the game was designed around team pvp, hell they have stated its not even a pvp game.

Like it or not WoW is one of the most solo friendly games on the market and was designed so most things could be done solo including pvp.

Originally posted by finnmacool1

Originally posted by Gajari

Originally posted by finnmacool1

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Cracks me up the pvper's are always whining about changes to this game.  Wonder why?  Oh yeah, because this is really not the game to play if you like solo pvp.  It is a team pvp game and few play it that way.

So get a clue, the balance is not intended to make all classes equal, put together a party that supports one another and learn to play the game the way it is intended.

 

Please provide some proof that the game was designed for team pvp. Oh yeah there isnt any, you pulled that out your backside. Daoc and War were designed for team play, blizzard has done about all they can to make it so every class can do everything solo, including pvp.

 

If that were true, BG's would have never been introduced. You can't win a BG by yourself... but hey, you can kill a couple people and think you're king shit, that's always so awesome, right?

If the PvP was designed to be entirely solo, there would only be 1v1 arena's and duels in the game for PvP. Don't think too hard about it, though... you don't seem like someone who'll understand.

 

Wow what amazing intellect you possess. By your amazing logic you can only level in a group too right? I mean there are dungeons and group quests so the game was obviously designed only for group play right?Eq1 and other games have best of the best tournaments pitting chars of the same class 1v1 in pvp. I guess that means eq1 is a pvp game too huh?

To all the "slow"  folk out there citing bg,arena,and statements about not being designed for every class to be equally effective against each individual class, well duh. The game wasnt designed around bg or arena they were added post launch as an added feature.

The classes were originally designed around rock,paper,scissor match ups. The classes were designed so some classes had an advantage over some and disadvantages against others. That does not mean the game was designed around team pvp, hell they have stated its not even a pvp game.

Like it or not WoW is one of the most solo friendly games on the market and was designed so most things could be done solo including pvp.

 

All PvP games are based around a rock, paper, scissor scheme. There's always gonna be classes better against other classes - that doesn't mean that it's meant for solo... it means you use that knowledge to better help the group by fighting those that you are most likely to kill. It's not always gonna work, but whatever. Leveling in itself  does not need groups, no, but if you want the best gear from instances, you need a group. If you want to actually WIN in BG's, you need a group. Everything but quests specifically made to be solo are group-oriented.

Dur dur dur. See ya later.

of course there will never be totally fair balancing of the classes in warcraft . it just wont happen but theres a situation now in wow where rogues are virtually superpowered and paladins are virtually immortal . whats happened is the game now has unreasonable class imbalances , no one expecst a totally fair playing field but at present the game is rigged in favour of certain classes .

also i agree team dynamics are important but whats the point in teamplay if say you are up against two paladins and a rogue in an arena when they ve got a far better chance of winning that say if you have one rogue , a shammy and a warrior . it makes the other classes all but redundant in pvp .

its also not down to the skill of the player as to how well they can do in pvp if the class imbances are too great . unfortunatly thats how things stand at the moment . i hope things improve . i dont think anyone but the most rabid fanbois would think wows class balancing is in a good state at the moment .

oh i play a level 80 rogue , level 80 warlock and a level 73 hunter  . believe me rogues have it too easy.

Originally posted by finnmacool1

Originally posted by Gajari

Originally posted by finnmacool1

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Cracks me up the pvper's are always whining about changes to this game.  Wonder why?  Oh yeah, because this is really not the game to play if you like solo pvp.  It is a team pvp game and few play it that way.

So get a clue, the balance is not intended to make all classes equal, put together a party that supports one another and learn to play the game the way it is intended.

 

Please provide some proof that the game was designed for team pvp. Oh yeah there isnt any, you pulled that out your backside. Daoc and War were designed for team play, blizzard has done about all they can to make it so every class can do everything solo, including pvp.

 

If that were true, BG's would have never been introduced. You can't win a BG by yourself... but hey, you can kill a couple people and think you're king shit, that's always so awesome, right?

If the PvP was designed to be entirely solo, there would only be 1v1 arena's and duels in the game for PvP. Don't think too hard about it, though... you don't seem like someone who'll understand.

 

Wow what amazing intellect you possess. By your amazing logic you can only level in a group too right? I mean there are dungeons and group quests so the game was obviously designed only for group play right?Eq1 and other games have best of the best tournaments pitting chars of the same class 1v1 in pvp. I guess that means eq1 is a pvp game too huh?

To all the "slow"  folk out there citing bg,arena,and statements about not being designed for every class to be equally effective against each individual class, well duh. The game wasnt designed around bg or arena they were added post launch as an added feature.

The classes were originally designed around rock,paper,scissor match ups. The classes were designed so some classes had an advantage over some and disadvantages against others. That does not mean the game was designed around team pvp, hell they have stated its not even a pvp game.

Like it or not WoW is one of the most solo friendly games on the market and was designed so most things could be done solo including pvp.

 

Yep, this is one of those alliance guys that goes into BG completely ignoring everyone else and then wonders why he loses.  The sad thing he gets on this thread and announces to the world how clueless he is.
 

Sorry Bro, but pvp in wow IS designed for teams NOT solo.  If you can't get that fact through your thick skull, then I feel quite sorry for you. 

Good teams win in pvp, soloist always lose and then they do like you do and come whining on a Wow thread.

Originally posted by Aerensiniac

4 years of balancing

4 years of failing at it

Today i would simply say that its easyer to make players think they were given content by fuxing around with their skills. Sad.

The really sad part is that WoW has added more "content" just through new spells and abilities while "fuxing around with [our] skills" than most games will add in their entire lifetime.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Originally posted by finnmacool1

Originally posted by Gajari

Originally posted by finnmacool1

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Cracks me up the pvper's are always whining about changes to this game.  Wonder why?  Oh yeah, because this is really not the game to play if you like solo pvp.  It is a team pvp game and few play it that way.

So get a clue, the balance is not intended to make all classes equal, put together a party that supports one another and learn to play the game the way it is intended.

 

Please provide some proof that the game was designed for team pvp. Oh yeah there isnt any, you pulled that out your backside. Daoc and War were designed for team play, blizzard has done about all they can to make it so every class can do everything solo, including pvp.

 

If that were true, BG's would have never been introduced. You can't win a BG by yourself... but hey, you can kill a couple people and think you're king shit, that's always so awesome, right?

If the PvP was designed to be entirely solo, there would only be 1v1 arena's and duels in the game for PvP. Don't think too hard about it, though... you don't seem like someone who'll understand.

 

Wow what amazing intellect you possess. By your amazing logic you can only level in a group too right? I mean there are dungeons and group quests so the game was obviously designed only for group play right?Eq1 and other games have best of the best tournaments pitting chars of the same class 1v1 in pvp. I guess that means eq1 is a pvp game too huh?

To all the "slow"  folk out there citing bg,arena,and statements about not being designed for every class to be equally effective against each individual class, well duh. The game wasnt designed around bg or arena they were added post launch as an added feature.

The classes were originally designed around rock,paper,scissor match ups. The classes were designed so some classes had an advantage over some and disadvantages against others. That does not mean the game was designed around team pvp, hell they have stated its not even a pvp game.

Like it or not WoW is one of the most solo friendly games on the market and was designed so most things could be done solo including pvp.

 

Yep, this is one of those alliance guys that goes into BG completely ignoring everyone else and then wonders why he loses.  The sad thing he gets on this thread and announces to the world how clueless he is.
 

Sorry Bro, but pvp in wow IS designed for teams NOT solo.  If you can't get that fact through your thick skull, then I feel quite sorry for you. 

Good teams win in pvp, soloist always lose and then they do like you do and come whining on a Wow thread.

No "bro" you're the clueless wonder here. Highlighted by the fact you think the game was designed around bgs. Of course bgs and arena are team oriented, no shit sherlock. Here is a pro tip for you, instanced dungeons are too.
 

1. WoW isnt a pvp game. It's a game that offers pvp as a feature, big difference "bro"

2. I was initially responding to the post claiming WoW was designed as a team pvp game. See #1.

3. Even if you separate the pvp feature and break it down it doesnt amount to being designed for team play. Bg and arena are subsets of the pvp feature and require you to que up, big difference between just being out leveling and getting jumped, dont you think "bro"? I guess all pvp requires you to que as a team......oh wait it doesnt.

I havn't seen a game yet with balanced PVP, i really don't believe you can achieve balanced PVP without making everyone the same class etc etc.

Meh, there's more to WoW [And the mmo genre] then pvp.