Grats turbine, well deserved!!

Grats Lotro, well deserved !!!!

Gratz Turbine.

I like the %s though. It shows a REALLY diverse playerbase, which isn't reflected by posters on most forums. Grats to all the games really.

Originally posted by Jpizzle

Gratz Turbine.

 

I like the %s though. It shows a REALLY diverse playerbase, which isn't reflected by posters on most forums. Grats to all the games really.

Too true.  You look at the top four, and they are pretty close.  It shows that players feel passionate about many games, not just WoW. 

Turbine took a great story, and was able to immerse the player in it.  The way they release the updates and expansion, with new areas and material, just adds to the feeling you are part of a story, not just playing a game.  It shows that if you aim not for competing with WoW, but for making your own game, you can have success.

And let's face it.  There would be no Warhammer, Warcraft, or DnD for that matter, if not for Lord of the Rings. 

There is an error Turbine Inc. is a Massachusetts-based  MMO company not a "Virginia-based MMO company ".

Grats Turbine, well deserved.

its a pity that your game is boring.

Best MMO out there.  Well done Turbine!

Even as an EVE player I must say: well done. If I was still in fantasy MMOs, I'd play LOTR.

Again well deserved.

In fact  when you look all in all there is only 3 MMOs that are worth this award judging from their overall polish and quality : WOW, EVE and LOTRO.

LOTRO stands out by two of its virtues.

1. Its PVE MMO that caters to more mature playerbase , and to core RPG playerbase. (ever since Blizzard decided that cutesy is more important than lore)

2. Turbine is dedicaded to ever expanding the game, like no other company in MMO space.

Every 2 months there is a big patch. That is not like by other MMOs just a tweak of game classes and bug fixes.  In LOTRO you get either a completely new game functionality (like housing) or completely new region of the game. They call it episodic content...

Cheers Turbine :)

I would most definitely disagree with this win. But, MMORPG.com has really been weighted towards this game anyways.

I think the heavier European influence of this site and forums helps Turbine win this match, due to the game being liked more in EU than the US.

Critics and the current player base love the game, but I can also read about so many dislikes and the sales of the game has not been sky high either.

This is not to say the game is not stable and well run, and I guess Turbine wins for that. But, for the game itself, it is not that good to be THE game of the year.

Just felt that differences are felt by many people, and along with the graces and praise of this title, we should also note the downsides...and LOTRO has quite a few in my opinion.

Anyways, Grats Turbine.

Vangaurd Saga of Heoes

Originally posted by ironraptor

There is an error Turbine Inc. is a Massachusetts-based  MMO company not a "Virginia-based MMO company ".

sssshhhhh don't tell anyone we had to get them the southern vote somehow.

openedge you had to bring nationalism into this didn't you.  To be honest i did not think it could be done,  but you did it.  congratz

Originally posted by openedge1

I think the heavier European influence of this site and forums helps Turbine win this match, due to the game being liked more in EU than the US.

There's also more than twice as many people in Europe than in the USA, so this result is actually more valid than all the other "international" sites where Joe Average User thinks Europe - if they've even heard of it at all - is just an 80's glamrock band from USA ;)

Seriously though, it's "Readers Choice", so if this site is heavy on European users, the award is even more accurate and rightly deserved.

Grats to Turbine (and Codemasters) - LotRO is a great game! :)

 Congrats.  Proof that popularity can't mask the truth.  There's actual justice in the mmo world...at least for today. 

congrats turbine but i like how the votes were more spread out and everyone wasnt just voting for two games. kept the games close to each other in votes

Congratulations Turbine!!!

Having just started this game last month I can see why they did so well.

A game incredibly polished, fun to play, lots of content, and a great community of "mature" players!.

Who would have thought that it was so, well simple?

Gratz again,  Turbine!

Pooks

Congratz to Turbine. As a current player I totally agree that LoTRO is truly deserving

Originally posted by openedge1

I would most definitely disagree with this win. But, MMORPG.com has really been weighted towards this game anyways.

I think the heavier European influence of this site and forums helps Turbine win this match, due to the game being liked more in EU than the US.

Critics and the current player base love the game, but I can also read about so many dislikes and the sales of the game has not been sky high either.

This is not to say the game is not stable and well run, and I guess Turbine wins for that. But, for the game itself, it is not that good to be THE game of the year.

Just felt that differences are felt by many people, and along with the graces and praise of this title, we should also note the downsides...and LOTRO has quite a few in my opinion.

Anyways, Grats Turbine.

Anyway... No matter who won I think this vote shows that LotrO, WoW, EvE and WAR are currently the best high quality MMOs on the market. Hopefully we will see some new games on that list in 2009 vote .

Grats Turbine, very well deserved! In the new year I would like to see:

A new 20-30 zone!

Another 55-60 zone

Better kinship and social options!

Some new large instances.

Fix crafting and PvMP

A new expansion maybe? :)

Grats Turbine and LotRO and thank you MMORPG.com readers!

I´m proud of you all!

Well done, Turbine!  And well deserved.

-G

Personally I think WoW is the better overall game because it does everything so well where as Lotro has crap combat, player models and PvP which are main points of an mmorpg.

Originally posted by ironraptor

There is an error Turbine Inc. is a Massachusetts-based  MMO company not a "Virginia-based MMO company ".

*facepalm* you're right. I'm fixing that now. Damn my scattered brain.

Originally posted by Stradden

Originally posted by ironraptor

There is an error Turbine Inc. is a Massachusetts-based  MMO company not a "Virginia-based MMO company ".

 

*facepalm* you're right. I'm fixing that now. Damn my scattered brain.

 

LOL we all have bad days Stradden. Your allowed at least one mistake :)

Grats to Lord of the Rings Online and Turbine. You are in my opinion the best MMO development company out today. May you have continued success through the years.

Congrats to LOTRO + Turbine! I should try LOTRO out or something. The fans seem incredibly docile.

Gratz Turbine!  Well deserved. 

Originally posted by openedge1

I would most definitely disagree with this win. But, MMORPG.com has really been weighted towards this game anyways.

I think the heavier European influence of this site and forums helps Turbine win this match, due to the game being liked more in EU than the US.

Critics and the current player base love the game, but I can also read about so many dislikes and the sales of the game has not been sky high either.

This is not to say the game is not stable and well run, and I guess Turbine wins for that. But, for the game itself, it is not that good to be THE game of the year.

Just felt that differences are felt by many people, and along with the graces and praise of this title, we should also note the downsides...and LOTRO has quite a few in my opinion.

Anyways, Grats Turbine.

LIKED more in the EU than in the US?!  Now where exactly have those statistics been published, or is this just your own perception? Geesh.

Originally posted by LordAdder

 

Gratz Turbine!  Well deserved. 

Originally posted by openedge1

I would most definitely disagree with this win. But, MMORPG.com has really been weighted towards this game anyways.

I think the heavier European influence of this site and forums helps Turbine win this match, due to the game being liked more in EU than the US.

Critics and the current player base love the game, but I can also read about so many dislikes and the sales of the game has not been sky high either.

This is not to say the game is not stable and well run, and I guess Turbine wins for that. But, for the game itself, it is not that good to be THE game of the year.

Just felt that differences are felt by many people, and along with the graces and praise of this title, we should also note the downsides...and LOTRO has quite a few in my opinion.

Anyways, Grats Turbine.

 

LIKED more in the EU than in the US?!  Now where exactly have those statistics been published, or is this just your own perception? Geesh.

lol...  Pay him no mind, he's just bitter (and i love it).

The people have spoken.  Congratulations Turbine!

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

Personally I think WoW is the better overall game because it does everything so well where as Lotro has crap combat, player models and PvP which are main points of an mmorpg.

WoW does everything so well and PvP is a main point of an MMO?! What universe are you from?

Apparently a larger percentage disagrees with you than agrees, especially since Turbine and LOTRO has won three of the seven categories this year, two of them by landslides. No matter how you slice-&-dice it and despite the fact that LOTRO has a few shortcomings (as does any and every MMO in existence), LOTRO is in fact a great game and the Turbine LOTRO team has done an outstanding job considering that it managed to knock the behemoth down to size.

WoW does everything so well and PvP is a main point of an MMO?! What universe are you from?

Apparently a larger percentage disagrees with you than agrees, especially since Turbine and LOTRO has won three of the seven categories this year, two of them by landslides. No matter how you slice-&-dice it and despite the fact that LOTRO has a few shortcomings (as does any and every MMO in existence), LOTRO is in fact a great game and the Turbine LOTRO team has done an outstanding job considering that it managed to knock the behemoth down to size.

Has to do with the fact that most of the WoW players are playing, moreso than voting...

Hard to believe that a game with 11 million players could be outdone by a game with 250k players...

I think it has to do with the fact that the WoW forums never advertise these polls (like the Voodoo Extreme Game of the year award)...thus, they are not sending their players here or there to vote.

I don't play either game, but I still chose WoW, as it really has the genre down pat, and knows what it's player base likes.

Originally posted by openedge1

WoW does everything so well and PvP is a main point of an MMO?! What universe are you from?

Apparently a larger percentage disagrees with you than agrees, especially since Turbine and LOTRO has won three of the seven categories this year, two of them by landslides. No matter how you slice-&-dice it and despite the fact that LOTRO has a few shortcomings (as does any and every MMO in existence), LOTRO is in fact a great game and the Turbine LOTRO team has done an outstanding job considering that it managed to knock the behemoth down to size.

 

Has to do with the fact that most of the WoW players are playing, moreso than voting...

Hard to believe that a game with 11 million players could be outdone by a game with 250k players...

I think it has to do with the fact that the WoW forums never advertise these polls (like the Voodoo Extreme Game of the year award)...thus, they are not sending their players here or there to vote.

I don't play either game, but I still chose WoW, as it really has the genre down pat, and knows what it's player base likes.

McDonald's sells more burgers than any other restaurant in the world,  but they aren't winning many "worlds best burger" polls now are they.  ;)

I played LOTRO to 50, and enjoyed it at the time.  I wouldn't go as far as saying it's the best MMO of the year, but it is a pretty decent game.  IMO, far better than WoW.  If it had any kind of compelling endgame or real PvP, I'd probably still be playing it.

When enthusiasts vote the results can be very different from pure consumers voting. I love music, but wouldn't call Britney Spears an artist in any shape or form, despite of record sales either.

Congrats to Turbine and LotRO team for fair and deserved win!

Originally posted by openedge1
 

Has to do with the fact that most of the WoW players are playing, moreso than voting...

Hard to believe that a game with 11 million players could be outdone by a game with 250k players...

I think it has to do with the fact that the WoW forums never advertise these polls (like the Voodoo Extreme Game of the year award)...thus, they are not sending their players here or there to vote.

I don't play either game, but I still chose WoW, as it really has the genre down pat, and knows what it's player base likes.

I think it has more to do that the majority of WoW players are not mmo fans, they just hopped on the WoW bandwagon.  They don't frequent any mmo site other than worldofwarcraft.com to troll their very own forums.

People who are members here are actual mmo fans.  They are informed and play (or try) many different mmos.

There's a HUGE difference, IMO, between and mmo player and a WoW player.

Grats to Turbine and Lotro.

I've been playing this game since release and I've always thought it was under rated.

Although I'm feeling frustrated because of the recent Guardian porblem, I find it a very pleasent game to play with a 5 star community.

If you didn't try it, you should give it a go.

And people comparing it to WOW? Well I think that can't be helped, but for a game that is just a 1,5 year old with much of content stil to come, I think it's fair to say that this award is just the beggining.

Cheers,

V

Originally posted by Stradden

Originally posted by ironraptor

There is an error Turbine Inc. is a Massachusetts-based  MMO company not a "Virginia-based MMO company ".

 

*facepalm* you're right. I'm fixing that now. Damn my scattered brain.

 

Ahhh... It just means you're human, and not "above" making an error, or acknowledging it (there are people on these forums who could learn from that).

Lets not forget the big loser of the year - Funcom and AoC...more proof of just what a bad idea giving them Hyboria was....

The top games show the importance of stability, playability and functionality over hype and promised innovation really.

Originally posted by Salvatoris

Originally posted by openedge1

WoW does everything so well and PvP is a main point of an MMO?! What universe are you from?

Apparently a larger percentage disagrees with you than agrees, especially since Turbine and LOTRO has won three of the seven categories this year, two of them by landslides. No matter how you slice-&-dice it and despite the fact that LOTRO has a few shortcomings (as does any and every MMO in existence), LOTRO is in fact a great game and the Turbine LOTRO team has done an outstanding job considering that it managed to knock the behemoth down to size.

 

Has to do with the fact that most of the WoW players are playing, moreso than voting...

Hard to believe that a game with 11 million players could be outdone by a game with 250k players...

I think it has to do with the fact that the WoW forums never advertise these polls (like the Voodoo Extreme Game of the year award)...thus, they are not sending their players here or there to vote.

I don't play either game, but I still chose WoW, as it really has the genre down pat, and knows what it's player base likes.

 

McDonald's sells more burgers than any other restaurant in the world,  but they aren't winning many "worlds best burger" polls now are they.  ;)

I played LOTRO to 50, and enjoyed it at the time.  I wouldn't go as far as saying it's the best MMO of the year, but it is a pretty decent game.  IMO, far better than WoW.  If it had any kind of compelling endgame or real PvP, I'd probably still be playing it.

The whole Mc Donalds Argument is dumb because people eat at Mc Donalds for convenience but you don't go out of your way to play a mmorpg for convenience.....

Originally posted by openedge1

I would most definitely disagree with this win. But, MMORPG.com has really been weighted towards this game anyways.

I think the heavier European influence of this site and forums helps Turbine win this match, due to the game being liked more in EU than the US.

Critics and the current player base love the game, but I can also read about so many dislikes and the sales of the game has not been sky high either.

This is not to say the game is not stable and well run, and I guess Turbine wins for that. But, for the game itself, it is not that good to be THE game of the year.

Just felt that differences are felt by many people, and along with the graces and praise of this title, we should also note the downsides...and LOTRO has quite a few in my opinion.

Anyways, Grats Turbine.

There are more USA LOTRO players on these forums than EU players, so your statement makes no sense too me

Originally posted by Thradar

Originally posted by openedge1
 

Has to do with the fact that most of the WoW players are playing, moreso than voting...

Hard to believe that a game with 11 million players could be outdone by a game with 250k players...

I think it has to do with the fact that the WoW forums never advertise these polls (like the Voodoo Extreme Game of the year award)...thus, they are not sending their players here or there to vote.

I don't play either game, but I still chose WoW, as it really has the genre down pat, and knows what it's player base likes.

I think it has more to do that the majority of WoW players are not mmo fans, they just hopped on the WoW bandwagon.  They don't frequent any mmo site other than worldofwarcraft.com to troll their very own forums.

People who are members here are actual mmo fans.  They are informed and play (or try) many different mmos.

There's a HUGE difference, IMO, between and mmo player and a WoW player.

Agreed. So many people I've spoken to, heard and read posts by didn't know what a MMORPG was, or that WoW even was a MMORPG... they figured it was just a new Warcraft game with more people. This is also a hint as to why so many believe (and some still do) that somehow WoW was the first to do everything that's been commonplace in MMOs for years.

Personally, I think any MMO Blizzard put out would have likely had similar results... be it for Diablo, Starcraft, etc. Each one of those games has its own large built-in fan-base, not to mention those who would buy and play anything Blizzard put out.

And of course there's the "phenomenon effect"; people see or hear about some big thing going on and feel like they have to be part of it (see: Cabbage Patch Dolls, Tickle Me Elmo.. People who weren't even gamers racing out to buy PS3's just to brag that they have one, etc).

Also, because more people play a game doesn't mean they automatically agree it's "better". I know plenty of people who play WoW only because their friends play it. I know other WoW players who've said they think that LoTRO is a better game overall; but since all their friends are playing WoW that's where they are.

Point is, you can't narrow it down to "A has more players than B, therefor A should automatically win". There are many more factors that play into it.

Besides all that, it's not like the results are staggeringly different.

Congratulations Turbine, With LotRO great game and definatly well deserved

Once again a hearty congratulations to LOTRO and Turbine. I've enjoyed this game since I've first logged in. Also thank-you to the Tolkien Estate for lending the licence. If this game did not exist, I would never have discovered the joy of MMO's!

As an EVE player, all I can say is... "we wuz robbed" 

But seriously, gratz to Turbine/LotRO for a job well done, and winning many awards this year.

Very very happy with this.

UO>LOTRO>WoW>SWG>Rest

Well done Turbine! 

I am currently playing WOW but I do have an active LOTRO subscription.  It's a great game and the dev team works very hard to give players new, free content regularly.  This is how it should be.  I'd be playing now but I'm just bored with it at the moment.  My next choice is WOW , which I'm having a great time in at the moment.  When that changes I suspect I wll go back to LOTRO, or try one of the 2009 releases.

Grats, Turbine

Gratz! LOTR/Turbine

Well deserved and a good game to have!Keep up the great work!

Glad to see this won instead of WoW.

Congrats to everyone at turbine!

As a LotRO player and a LotR fan, i really enjoy the game (this is also my first major MMORPG). One of the things that never ceases to amaze me about this game (besides the some of the storylines) is the detailthat is put into this game. Sometimes I just stop to look at the landscape.

As for gameplay, yes i admit the PvP could be better, but i personally am more interested in the storylines anyway. In my view, the game can only get better and better.

I played LotRO at launch and through the release of player housing.  Then I took a break for a while to check out stuff like Age of Conan, Warhammer, and a couple others.  I bought both Mines of Moria and WotLK, but it's proving to be LotRO that I'm actually playing out of the two games.

I'd forgotten just how gorgeous LotRO is.  The landscapes are lush and diverse, while at the same time blending together quite naturally.  Trees move in the breeze.  Grass ripples by moonlight.  There's just the right amount of bump mapping, reflections and atmospheric effects.  It really feels like Middle Earth.  (By the way, I can't understand the complaint about character models that some people make.  The character models are far better than WoW's and most other games.  Are you sure you're not confusing the models with the art direction for the clothing styles?  In that case, yes -- some of the clothing looks pretty ghastly.) 

The world also feels much more believable than other games.  Like I mentioned, the landscapes blend smoothly between one another.  Then you also have intelligent placement of mob types, wandering NPC, and a lot of other life.  More than you find with WoW, and certainly more than something like Warhammer.

I do understand how this game isn't everyone's cup of tea.  Yes, it lacks any real PvP.  To me that's a good thing, since the grief-happy kiddies play elsewhere and LotRO gets a more mature player base out of the deal.  But beyond that, the game is very much about exploring and enjoying one's time in Middle Earth.  It's not about rushing to the end game.  In that respect, it's perhaps the most sandbox-like out of the so-called "theme park" MMO's.  It's also extremely hard to solo the higher you get in level.

Anyway, congrats to Turbine for this win!  I hope -- and have little doubt -- that 2009 will prove to be every bit as successful.  There is so much more of Middle Earth yet to be revealed!

Grats Turbine and LotRO...

Originally posted by LordAdder

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

Personally I think WoW is the better overall game because it does everything so well where as Lotro has crap combat, player models and PvP which are main points of an mmorpg.

WoW does everything so well and PvP is a main point of an MMO?! What universe are you from?

Apparently a larger percentage disagrees with you than agrees,

And what universe are you from?  A much, much larger percentage agrees that WoW is a better game, somewhere in the neighbourhood of 11 million to 250k.  Online polls like this are pointless.  They just bring out people who are motivated to vote for this type of stuff anyway.  All anyone has to do is look at the NHL all star vote to know what a complete joke online polls are.  So congrats to the people who are LOTRO fans and crowing about it, thinking this means anything.  Once again, it just goes to show that sites like this aren't representative of the average mmo player.

All that aside, LOTRO is still a very good game with a good developer behind it that more often then not gives its players good value for their money.

BTW, I didn't see swg in the list at all.

Congratulations LoTRO!!  Very well deserved win!

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

The whole Mc Donalds Argument is dumb because people eat at Mc Donalds for convenience but you don't go out of your way to play a mmorpg for convenience.....

People most ABSOLUTELY play WoW for convenience. Myself included.

If you don't have a nice computer, WoW is more convenient than upgrading.

If you don't want the hassle of endless bugs, WoW is more convenient.

If you want a lexicon of knowledge about every single aspect of your game with a simple google search, wow is more convenient.

If you want to find a guild that caters to your individual preferences (roleplay, same time zone, casual, hardcore) WoW's healthy population makes it the most convenient.

Almost everything about WoW's success is about the convenience it brings. The debate is whether you think that's a good thing or a bad thing.

WoW is absolutely McDonald's. And I tell you what, I stop by McDonald's a lot more than the Russian Tea Room.

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But sorry for going off topic. Grats to the Russian Tea Room, well deserved this year!

Originally posted by Zorgo

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

The whole Mc Donalds Argument is dumb because people eat at Mc Donalds for convenience but you don't go out of your way to play a mmorpg for convenience.....

 

People most ABSOLUTELY play WoW for convenience. Myself included.

If you don't have a nice computer, WoW is more convenient than upgrading.

If you don't want the hassle of endless bugs, WoW is more convenient.

If you want a lexicon of knowledge about every single aspect of your game with a simple google search, wow is more convenient.

If you want to find a guild that caters to your individual preferences (roleplay, same time zone, casual, hardcore) WoW's healthy population makes it the most convenient.

Almost everything about WoW's success is about the convenience it brings. The debate is whether you think that's a good thing or a bad thing.

WoW is absolutely McDonald's. And I tell you what, I stop by McDonald's a lot more than the Russian Tea Room.

_______________________________

But sorry for going off topic. Grats to the Russian Tea Room, well deserved this year!

None of that has anything to do with convenience but just points that make a good mmorpg..........

You don't go for a lunch break off work and go "I need to play a mmorpg" no you're hungry and want to eat and Mc donalds is easy and there and doesn't taste that bad. It isn't a nice Thai meal or anything posh but it's fast food that tastes ok so you go there.

You play games to play a GOOD game and WoW is a GOOD game and thats why people play it. You don't go "well this game is shit but because it is easy I'll play it" no you spend your tome playing a game that is good, that you like.

That is why you the Mc Donalds and games argument is dumb

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

Originally posted by Zorgo

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

The whole Mc Donalds Argument is dumb because people eat at Mc Donalds for convenience but you don't go out of your way to play a mmorpg for convenience.....

 

People most ABSOLUTELY play WoW for convenience. Myself included.

If you don't have a nice computer, WoW is more convenient than upgrading.

If you don't want the hassle of endless bugs, WoW is more convenient.

If you want a lexicon of knowledge about every single aspect of your game with a simple google search, wow is more convenient.

If you want to find a guild that caters to your individual preferences (roleplay, same time zone, casual, hardcore) WoW's healthy population makes it the most convenient.

Almost everything about WoW's success is about the convenience it brings. The debate is whether you think that's a good thing or a bad thing.

WoW is absolutely McDonald's. And I tell you what, I stop by McDonald's a lot more than the Russian Tea Room.

_______________________________

But sorry for going off topic. Grats to the Russian Tea Room, well deserved this year!

 

None of that has anything to do with convenience but just points that make a good mmorpg..........

 

You don't go for a lunch break off work and go "I need to play a mmorpg" no you're hungry and want to eat and Mc donalds is easy and there and doesn't taste that bad. It isn't a nice Thai meal or anything posh but it's fast food that tastes ok so you go there.

You play games to play a GOOD game and WoW is a GOOD game and thats why people play it. You don't go "well this game is shit but because it is easy I'll play it" no you spend your tome playing a game that is good, that you like.

That is why you the Mc Donalds and games argument is dumb

I agree.  I regard anyone who makes the WoW=MacDonald's argument as partially retarded and therefore not worth listening to.

wow you guys are being harsh lo i see his mcdonaalds analagy, in the sense that WOw= mc because basically it caters to a whole hella lot more people then the sushi bar down the road sushi= lotro, many other great deep indepth games with a true story arc.

Grats Turbine for another good win

as far as wy they won.  I know a few people here who dont play the game (but have played it at least once in the past) who, when faced with this option voted by weighing up whether game A was better than game B.  They did not just vote for the MMO that they currently play.  I have a feeling this is why Lotro edged out EvE and WoW as i know plenty of people who accept that it is a good MMO but do not actively play it.

Grats Turbine, lotro, well deserved

Originally posted by Ginaz

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

Originally posted by Zorgo

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

The whole Mc Donalds Argument is dumb because people eat at Mc Donalds for convenience but you don't go out of your way to play a mmorpg for convenience.....

 

People most ABSOLUTELY play WoW for convenience. Myself included.

If you don't have a nice computer, WoW is more convenient than upgrading.

If you don't want the hassle of endless bugs, WoW is more convenient.

If you want a lexicon of knowledge about every single aspect of your game with a simple google search, wow is more convenient.

If you want to find a guild that caters to your individual preferences (roleplay, same time zone, casual, hardcore) WoW's healthy population makes it the most convenient.

Almost everything about WoW's success is about the convenience it brings. The debate is whether you think that's a good thing or a bad thing.

WoW is absolutely McDonald's. And I tell you what, I stop by McDonald's a lot more than the Russian Tea Room.

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But sorry for going off topic. Grats to the Russian Tea Room, well deserved this year!

 

None of that has anything to do with convenience but just points that make a good mmorpg..........

 

You don't go for a lunch break off work and go "I need to play a mmorpg" no you're hungry and want to eat and Mc donalds is easy and there and doesn't taste that bad. It isn't a nice Thai meal or anything posh but it's fast food that tastes ok so you go there.

You play games to play a GOOD game and WoW is a GOOD game and thats why people play it. You don't go "well this game is shit but because it is easy I'll play it" no you spend your tome playing a game that is good, that you like.

That is why you the Mc Donalds and games argument is dumb

I agree.  I regard anyone who makes the WoW=MacDonald's argument as partially retarded and therefore not worth listening to.

Can you guys actually read? Or comprehend what you are reading? My God, you are so angry you don't know when someone is on your side or not. Now cut this off topic junk out, it isn't always about WoW.

Hehe looks like it just beat out WoW, however, this award is well deserved. While the game itself may not be balanced between PvE and PvP, the PvE and lore being much better, I think Turbine is a solid, good company and they made an absolutely beautiful world, one that I actually think looks better than AoC (I always thought the AoC trees were ugly and the character models looked like plastic action figures. While LotRO's character models need some improvement as well, they at least seem a bit more real, especially with the facial expressions. More like play-doh than plastic if you will!)

Good job LotRO.

bravo! the movie is great. the game world is also fantastic! i look forward to its new improvement.

Originally posted by Ginaz

Originally posted by LordAdder

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

Personally I think WoW is the better overall game because it does everything so well where as Lotro has crap combat, player models and PvP which are main points of an mmorpg.

WoW does everything so well and PvP is a main point of an MMO?! What universe are you from?

Apparently a larger percentage disagrees with you than agrees,

 

And what universe are you from?  A much, much larger percentage agrees that WoW is a better game, somewhere in the neighbourhood of 11 million to 250k.  Online polls like this are pointless.  They just bring out people who are motivated to vote for this type of stuff anyway.  All anyone has to do is look at the NHL all star vote to know what a complete joke online polls are.  So congrats to the people who are LOTRO fans and crowing about it, thinking this means anything.  Once again, it just goes to show that sites like this aren't representative of the average mmo player.

All that aside, LOTRO is still a very good game with a good developer behind it that more often then not gives its players good value for their money.

BTW, I didn't see swg in the list at all.

That.  The shills stuff the ballots while gamers vote with their wallets.

Im gonna be really cheap and ask if a Mines of Moria trial is planned? wanna check out the new classes

Originally posted by Zorgo

Originally posted by Ginaz

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

Originally posted by Zorgo

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

The whole Mc Donalds Argument is dumb because people eat at Mc Donalds for convenience but you don't go out of your way to play a mmorpg for convenience.....

 

People most ABSOLUTELY play WoW for convenience. Myself included.

If you don't have a nice computer, WoW is more convenient than upgrading.

If you don't want the hassle of endless bugs, WoW is more convenient.

If you want a lexicon of knowledge about every single aspect of your game with a simple google search, wow is more convenient.

If you want to find a guild that caters to your individual preferences (roleplay, same time zone, casual, hardcore) WoW's healthy population makes it the most convenient.

Almost everything about WoW's success is about the convenience it brings. The debate is whether you think that's a good thing or a bad thing.

WoW is absolutely McDonald's. And I tell you what, I stop by McDonald's a lot more than the Russian Tea Room.

_______________________________

But sorry for going off topic. Grats to the Russian Tea Room, well deserved this year!

 

None of that has anything to do with convenience but just points that make a good mmorpg..........

 

You don't go for a lunch break off work and go "I need to play a mmorpg" no you're hungry and want to eat and Mc donalds is easy and there and doesn't taste that bad. It isn't a nice Thai meal or anything posh but it's fast food that tastes ok so you go there.

You play games to play a GOOD game and WoW is a GOOD game and thats why people play it. You don't go "well this game is shit but because it is easy I'll play it" no you spend your tome playing a game that is good, that you like.

That is why you the Mc Donalds and games argument is dumb

I agree.  I regard anyone who makes the WoW=MacDonald's argument as partially retarded and therefore not worth listening to.

Can you guys actually read? Or comprehend what you are reading? My God, you are so angry you don't know when someone is on your side or not. Now cut this off topic junk out, it isn't always about WoW.

I'm not angry, just tired of people comparing WoW to MacDonald's, in any way.  Its getting old and tired.  People find to need a new way to make WoW comparisons.  Be original.

Simple solution rathar than argue is to play the game you like.

And then vote for the game you like next year.

To bad all those "11 million" WoW players missed the boat on voting, but then again maybe MMORPG.com is banned in china or doesnt translate well into chinese (shrug).

Now move along and accept that this game was voted as such, defeat is a tough dish to swallow.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

 

 

I HATE WOW, yeah, so lets vote for the best boring  lifeless copy cat clone of it.

 

 

Lifeless copy cat clone... are you talking about WoW? If anything Lotro copies Asheron's Call 2 in everything from UI, throught world design, engine, combat, thousands of quests, tons of solo content, no death penalty,.... And If I recall it right AC2 was way before WoW was released. If your analogy is right then WoW is actually that lifeless copy cat clone of AC2.

Originally posted by Ginaz

I'm not angry, just tired of people comparing WoW to MacDonald's, in any way.  Its getting old and tired.  People find to need a new way to make WoW comparisons.  Be original.

Actually I'd never heard the comparison, lol it is a good one :)

*lol* WoW is just Britney Spears, another "It's all done before and at least as well" game from Blizzard, but I reckon that is just what their fanboys want. It is the King of MMOs in the la-la-land where Michael Jackson is the prince of pop.

Looks like players of some other titles can take the result of voting far better than WoW fans *tips hat off in the general direction of EVE*.

Sour grapes for sore losers

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Steelrose

Originally posted by Zorndorf

 

 

I HATE WOW, yeah, so lets vote for the best boring  lifeless copy cat clone of it.

 

 

 

Lifeless copy cat clone... are you talking about WoW? If anything Lotro copies Asheron's Call 2 in everything from UI, throught world design, engine, combat, thousands of quests, tons of solo content, no death penalty,.... And If I recall it right AC2 was way before WoW was released. If your analogy is right then WoW is actually that lifeless copy cat clone of AC2.

Good God.
 

Elvis and The Beatles were not the first ones either, but they were the first to put out the millions. They were the Kings in their genre (despite of Bill Haley and dozens of others).

You are speaking of the king of MMORPG's. I say that Zork started it all.

And LotrO is indeed a boring lifeless copy cat of that King because it was published 3 years later without any added value. 

No that is WoW. WoW had no additional or original features. If you can name me one, I can change my mind. Because everything from battlegrounds, leveling solo content, no death penalties, combat, crafting.. was done in AC2 the same way.

WoW just brought 40 mil$ into marketing before release which was more than the whole Lotro development. That's why Lotro initially sold maybe 400 copies and WoW like 2 milion (during first 3 months). Even AoC, WAR spent much more on marketing and ad than Lotro -> therefore their sales numbers went up to 1 mil cca.

That's the power of marketing and adv, if you dont believe in it, you're dumb no offense. Not every company has so much money to spend on adv like Blizzard. Turbine is much smaller company.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Steelrose

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Steelrose

Originally posted by Zorndorf

 

 

I HATE WOW, yeah, so lets vote for the best boring  lifeless copy cat clone of it.

 

 

 

Lifeless copy cat clone... are you talking about WoW? If anything Lotro copies Asheron's Call 2 in everything from UI, throught world design, engine, combat, thousands of quests, tons of solo content, no death penalty,.... And If I recall it right AC2 was way before WoW was released. If your analogy is right then WoW is actually that lifeless copy cat clone of AC2.

Good God.
 

Elvis and The Beatles were not the first ones either, but they were the first to put out the millions. They were the Kings in their genre (despite of Bill Haley and dozens of others).

You are speaking of the king of MMORPG's. I say that Zork started it all.

And LotrO is indeed a boring lifeless copy cat of that King because it was published 3 years later without any added value. 

 

No that is WoW. WoW had no additional or original features. If you can name me one, I can change my mind. Because everything from battlegrounds, leveling solo content, no death penalties, combat, crafting.. was done in AC2 the same way.

WoW just brought 40 mil$ into marketing before release which was more than the whole Lotro development. That's why Lotro initially sold maybe 400 copies and WoW like 2 milion (during first 3 months). Even AoC, WAR spent much more on marketing and ad than Lotro -> therefore their sales numbers went up to 1 mil cca.

That's the power of marketing and adv, if you dont believe in it, you're dumb no offense. Not every company has so much money to spend on adv like Blizzard. Turbine is much smaller company.

 

The King of MMORPG is Wow - like it or not. Because of the sheer PAYED subscription number. Just like Elvis or the Beatles were the first to hit the millions in rock and roll and British pop music.

LotrO came out 3 years AFTER the King was launched and brought NOTHING new.

Where are the flying mounts in LotrO,

Where are the underwater worlds?

Where are the Siege battles, where are the Catapults and destructable Keeps.

Where is the constant phasing and changing worlds depending on the quest you do in Lotro.

NADA. Nothing nowhere to be found. Not even fishing was in it before this year.

600 people on a world wide website that voted with alt accounts just made mmorpg.com looks like a fool these days.

 

 

Heh mate, again no offense. But you're fanatically insane :) Just as you named these things, I could name you 10 other things Lotro has and WoW doesn't. Which actually proves these games are not that similiar.

If you say it's a king of MMO, then I wonder why are other wow fanboys so pissed when WoW is being called McDonald or Britney (King of fast foods, king of popmusic,...) If the term king is only referred to.. how many people are subscribed to it, then indeed you can't avoid being compared to everything else in the world which is being the most popular in its genre.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

 

The King of MMORPG is Wow - like it or not. Because of the sheer PAYED subscription number. Just like Elvis or the Beatles were the first to hit the millions in rock and roll and British pop music.

LotrO came out 3 years AFTER the King was launched and brought NOTHING new.

Where are the flying mounts in LotrO,

Where are the underwater worlds?

Where are the Siege battles, where are the Catapults and destructable Keeps.

Where is the constant phasing and changing worlds depending on the quest you do in Lotro.

NADA. Nothing nowhere to be found. Not even fishing was in it before this year.

600 people on a world wide website that voted with alt accounts just made mmorpg.com looks like a fool these days.

 

 

Umm if you really believe that all of those were originally by Blizzard, I have a bridge in New Mexico to sell you, and it takes you to a wonderful fairy land by the sea.

Originally posted by Oakdragon

Originally posted by Zorndorf

 

The King of MMORPG is Wow - like it or not. Because of the sheer PAYED subscription number. Just like Elvis or the Beatles were the first to hit the millions in rock and roll and British pop music.

LotrO came out 3 years AFTER the King was launched and brought NOTHING new.

Where are the flying mounts in LotrO,

Where are the underwater worlds?

Where are the Siege battles, where are the Catapults and destructable Keeps.

Where is the constant phasing and changing worlds depending on the quest you do in Lotro.

NADA. Nothing nowhere to be found. Not even fishing was in it before this year.

600 people on a world wide website that voted with alt accounts just made mmorpg.com looks like a fool these days.

 

 

 

Umm if you really believe that all of those were originally by Blizzard, I have a bridge in New Mexico to sell you, and it takes you to a wonderful fairy land by the sea.

I think you will find that is just a copy of a WoW bridge, fairy land and sea. In fact nothing existed before WoW!

But seriously I tried both and neither game was to my tastes, but it was pretty obvious Lotro was different and IMO the better MMO, even if I could see why WoW is so popular. Similar to how I can see how a soap opera gets large audiences, but I still find them painful to watch.

I would like to thank this thread for showing what kind mentality people supporting different games possess.

As such I can conclude, that if I ever wanted to play a fantasy MMO it should be LotR and stay far far away from WoW.

Maybe the bitterness comes from too much raiding to get better gear to able to raid to get better gear to be able to raid to get better gear to be able to raid to get better gear ad nauseam.

Originally posted by Ginaz

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

Originally posted by Zorgo

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

The whole Mc Donalds Argument is dumb because people eat at Mc Donalds for convenience but you don't go out of your way to play a mmorpg for convenience.....

 

People most ABSOLUTELY play WoW for convenience. Myself included.

If you don't have a nice computer, WoW is more convenient than upgrading.

If you don't want the hassle of endless bugs, WoW is more convenient.

If you want a lexicon of knowledge about every single aspect of your game with a simple google search, wow is more convenient.

If you want to find a guild that caters to your individual preferences (roleplay, same time zone, casual, hardcore) WoW's healthy population makes it the most convenient.

Almost everything about WoW's success is about the convenience it brings. The debate is whether you think that's a good thing or a bad thing.

WoW is absolutely McDonald's. And I tell you what, I stop by McDonald's a lot more than the Russian Tea Room.

_______________________________

But sorry for going off topic. Grats to the Russian Tea Room, well deserved this year!

 

None of that has anything to do with convenience but just points that make a good mmorpg..........

 

You don't go for a lunch break off work and go "I need to play a mmorpg" no you're hungry and want to eat and Mc donalds is easy and there and doesn't taste that bad. It isn't a nice Thai meal or anything posh but it's fast food that tastes ok so you go there.

You play games to play a GOOD game and WoW is a GOOD game and thats why people play it. You don't go "well this game is shit but because it is easy I'll play it" no you spend your tome playing a game that is good, that you like.

That is why you the Mc Donalds and games argument is dumb

I agree.  I regard anyone who makes the WoW=MacDonald's argument as partially retarded and therefore not worth listening to.

And anyone who can't see the obvious similarities between McDonalds popularity & WOW has been sniffing paint.

The analogy (and it's a correct one) is a valid counter point for the 11 million people arguement. I played WOW for an hour before going to bed because It was simple, no fuss, convienant and fun. In conclusion...if you don't want to hear the McDonalds analogy then stop tossing out the 11 million subscribers line like that's proof positive of anything.

More than 11 million people smoke cigarettes but that doesn't mean they rock...lol

Anyway grats to LOTRO while not my cup of tea it's an extremely well made title.

Zorn,

It really isn't dumb ( I won't use your R word ) to compare WoW to McDonalds. And it really isn't an insult either if you look at it from a marketing stand point.

WoW and McD's were made to be enjoyed by the "masses". Almost anyone can afford McD's food and almost anyone can play WoW on their computers with it's gentle PC requirements. I would guess that 90% of America could play WoW -because most ppl have a PC bought in the last 7 years. And 90% of America can afford to eat at McDonald's also.

But look at all the other games on that list and think of all the people in your family and in your neighborhood. Maybe 5% or 10% of those people have machines even CAPABLE of meeting the sys requirements for LoTRO and AoC and War and VG. And less than 5%of the people  have machines that can play those games without hellish lag LOL!

WoW is like McDonalds because it's available to 90% of the people. Doesn't mean it's yucky like McD's food- just that it's DO-ABLE by the masses. It's a good thing. MMO's should be able to be enjoyed by the masses and Blizzard opened the door for them.

God, I hate how every good thread about any game gets derailed into a WoW thread LOL!

Anyways, Congrats to Turbine! Very much deserved win!  Excellent game and grats on winning "Game of the Year" last year on many sites and Game of the Year on this site!!!

Congratulations, Turbine! Beating out a game with an order of magnitude more players in just NA and EU shows just how passionate LOTRO's players are about the game - and it's a great game.

No other MMO I've ever played has had a polished, stable launch and then delivered so much after the game released... two major regions (Evendim, Forochel) and two smaller ones (High Pass/Goblin Town, Tal Bruinen). Hundreds of new quests, deeds, etc. Housing. PvP raids. PvE raid. New instances. New creatures. More storage. New horses. Lots of soloable content. DX10 client. All before Mines of Moria even arrived.

You've listened to your players, making many changes we've asked for. And you've managed to attract a more mature player community than I've seen in an MMO before... a pleasant surprise. Grats again on your wins this year!

Khafar

Perhaps a better analogy than McDonalds would be something like "Star Wars: Episode 1".  Huge buget.  Huge special effects.  Huge brand name recognition.  When it came out, just about everyone went to see it.  A lot of people went because their friends were going.  A good number really enjoyed it.  It was the top-grossing film that year (in other words, highest ticket sales), and is still one of the top 6 of all time.

Was it the best movie of 1999?  Not by a long shot.  Although some will still argue otherwise.

WoW is very similar to Episode 1.  It has a bunch of things going for it and does a great job of marketing to the masses.  I also know a number of people who play it and won't look at anything else simply because that's what their friends are playing.  The upshot is that it has the largest subscriber base and is the most successful MMO in the industry.  We owe a lot to WoW for the way it has energized the genre.  (And it deserves a kick in the nubs for some of the other things it has done to the genre.)

But as with Episode 1, that huge amount of success doesn't necessarily make it the best game out there.

Personally, when I play LotRO I can't help but feel the love that went into the game.  The developers clearly have a passion for the lore, and this shows up in every single thing you see or do in the game.  When I play WoW, I often feel like the developers were simply out to package whatever would appeal to the largest number of people - which to a great extent means a dumbed down MMO.  I just don't sense the same passion that LotRO's dev team shows.  Heck, look at how often Blizzard has done a hack job on their own lore just so that they could broaden market appeal a little bit.  I can't help but think of that pre-movie blurb that some theaters are showing right now where a big wig producer decides that the hedge hog needs pants in order to broaden the target audience and ends up ruining the movie.  :)

Originally posted by LordAdder

 

Gratz Turbine!  Well deserved. 

Originally posted by openedge1

I would most definitely disagree with this win. But, MMORPG.com has really been weighted towards this game anyways.

I think the heavier European influence of this site and forums helps Turbine win this match, due to the game being liked more in EU than the US.

Critics and the current player base love the game, but I can also read about so many dislikes and the sales of the game has not been sky high either.

This is not to say the game is not stable and well run, and I guess Turbine wins for that. But, for the game itself, it is not that good to be THE game of the year.

Just felt that differences are felt by many people, and along with the graces and praise of this title, we should also note the downsides...and LOTRO has quite a few in my opinion.

Anyways, Grats Turbine.

 

LIKED more in the EU than in the US?!  Now where exactly have those statistics been published, or is this just your own perception? Geesh.

I would even wager the opposite is true.

You see in europe Lotro is run by codemasters.

I would probably play Lotro if it were not for this fact, as would quite a few others.

Same with DDO wich I think is pretty great but I just can not stomach codemasters.

No clue on earth why they picked them for this.

You guys arguing about this site's credibility are so silly. "Waaah, only 5300 or so people voted, that doesn't mean anything!"

Well, duh. It's an internet poll, not a scientific phone survey. Did you expect something different?

WoW shouldn't have won. Not a chance. They're getting more flak from their core base than LOTRO is from theirs, and that flak has gotten worse since Lich King's release. WoW is alienating their core by trying to make the game more casual-friendly, and the only reason Blizzard hasn't suffered a subscriber loss is because of the Everquest effect.

The EQ Effect: "I can't quit the game; I've put too much time into it!" People are dissatisfied, but they play because they're scared to death of losing their fake accomplishments in fake pixels and their fake friends they made in their guilds.

EVE has been solid, LOTRO has been solid, and Mythic managed to release WAR in a better state than most MMOs.

Like it or not, Turbine deserves some recognition for what they've done with the game -- despite several major releases this year, they're doing very well.

Originally posted by grimmbot

The EQ Effect: "I can't quit the game; I've put too much time into it!" People are dissatisfied, but they play because they're scared to death of losing their fake accomplishments in fake pixels and their fake friends they made in their guilds.

 

Sounds like my brother's excuse not to leave WOW and play LOTRO or any other MMO
 

Congratulations to Turbine, it is very well deserved.

My husband and I are lifetime members since beta, but we cannot seem to make it past level 24 without quitting for another game (usually WoW).  I believe this is due to the fact that it becomes painful to travel without a horse and also because the low-20 areas are so boring and bleak.

i have to admit i am curious as too why the 'non of the above' option is only present in the poll that didn't involve LOTRO?

as the voting for wow, wow, wow, wow or eve didn't really involve me much

Originally posted by silkakc

Zorn,

It really isn't dumb ( I won't use your R word ) to compare WoW to McDonalds. And it really isn't an insult either if you look at it from a marketing stand point.

WoW and McD's were made to be enjoyed by the "masses". Almost anyone can afford McD's food and almost anyone can play WoW on their computers with it's gentle PC requirements. I would guess that 90% of America could play WoW -because most ppl have a PC bought in the last 7 years. And 90% of America can afford to eat at McDonald's also.

But look at all the other games on that list and think of all the people in your family and in your neighborhood. Maybe 5% or 10% of those people have machines even CAPABLE of meeting the sys requirements for LoTRO and AoC and War and VG. And less than 5%of the people  have machines that can play those games without hellish lag LOL!

WoW is like McDonalds because it's available to 90% of the people. Doesn't mean it's yucky like McD's food- just that it's DO-ABLE by the masses. It's a good thing. MMO's should be able to be enjoyed by the masses and Blizzard opened the door for them.

God, I hate how every good thread about any game gets derailed into a WoW thread LOL!

Anyways, Congrats to Turbine! Very much deserved win!  Excellent game and grats on winning "Game of the Year" last year on many sites and Game of the Year on this site!!!

 

Sorry but LOTR tried to be McDonald's.  Newbie friendly, no big death penalties, no exp loss, no hell levels, lots of solo content, low challenge, optional PVP, cut and paste version of WoW's UI, moderate system requirements...they used the same formula and failed to achieve the same results.  

Originally posted by Chieftan

Originally posted by silkakc

Zorn,

It really isn't dumb ( I won't use your R word ) to compare WoW to McDonalds. And it really isn't an insult either if you look at it from a marketing stand point.

WoW and McD's were made to be enjoyed by the "masses". Almost anyone can afford McD's food and almost anyone can play WoW on their computers with it's gentle PC requirements. I would guess that 90% of America could play WoW -because most ppl have a PC bought in the last 7 years. And 90% of America can afford to eat at McDonald's also.

But look at all the other games on that list and think of all the people in your family and in your neighborhood. Maybe 5% or 10% of those people have machines even CAPABLE of meeting the sys requirements for LoTRO and AoC and War and VG. And less than 5%of the people  have machines that can play those games without hellish lag LOL!

WoW is like McDonalds because it's available to 90% of the people. Doesn't mean it's yucky like McD's food- just that it's DO-ABLE by the masses. It's a good thing. MMO's should be able to be enjoyed by the masses and Blizzard opened the door for them.

God, I hate how every good thread about any game gets derailed into a WoW thread LOL!

Anyways, Congrats to Turbine! Very much deserved win!  Excellent game and grats on winning "Game of the Year" last year on many sites and Game of the Year on this site!!!

 

 

Sorry but LOTR tried to be McDonald's.  Newbie friendly, no big death penalties, no exp loss, no hell levels, lots of solo content, low challenge, optional PVP, cut and paste version of WoW's UI, moderate system requirements...they used the same formula and failed to achieve the same results.  

 

sorry, who's WoW's UI borrowed from?

Originally posted by grimmbot

You guys arguing about this site's credibility are so silly. "Waaah, only 5300 or so people voted, that doesn't mean anything!"

Well, duh. It's an internet poll, not a scientific phone survey. Did you expect something different?

WoW shouldn't have won. Not a chance. They're getting more flak from their core base than LOTRO is from theirs, and that flak has gotten worse since Lich King's release. WoW is alienating their core by trying to make the game more casual-friendly, and the only reason Blizzard hasn't suffered a subscriber loss is because of the Everquest effect.

The EQ Effect: "I can't quit the game; I've put too much time into it!" People are dissatisfied, but they play because they're scared to death of losing their fake accomplishments in fake pixels and their fake friends they made in their guilds.

EVE has been solid, LOTRO has been solid, and Mythic managed to release WAR in a better state than most MMOs.

Like it or not, Turbine deserves some recognition for what they've done with the game -- despite several major releases this year, they're doing very well.

The core base of WoW is not the hard core raider types.  Its the casuals.  Only around 15% of WoW players made it to Black Temple, the "end raid" pre-WOTLK, and only around 5% were raiding the Sunwell, the "new end raid" put in a few months before the expac released.  I'd hardly call 5% or even 15% of a games players as its core.  Also, mostly everyone I know loves the new expansion, with a few exceptions, mostly related to pvp.  The only ones bitching about the pve side are the 5%/15% who have already blown through the initial raids and seem to have looted a huge sense of entitlement from one of the bosses.

LOTRO is a good game.  I didn't care for it, but I can see why people like it.  Turbine deserves praise for what they've done.  My point was this site is not representative at all of the general mmo player base and therefore the poll, while nice for LOTRO and its players, is meaningless.  Many people here seem to not know that and attach some sort of significance to their game "winning" the poll.  The internet nerd ragers that seem to live at sites like this hate WoW and would blame it for world hunger and war in the middle east if they could.

Originally posted by Ginaz

Originally posted by grimmbot

You guys arguing about this site's credibility are so silly. "Waaah, only 5300 or so people voted, that doesn't mean anything!"

Well, duh. It's an internet poll, not a scientific phone survey. Did you expect something different?

WoW shouldn't have won. Not a chance. They're getting more flak from their core base than LOTRO is from theirs, and that flak has gotten worse since Lich King's release. WoW is alienating their core by trying to make the game more casual-friendly, and the only reason Blizzard hasn't suffered a subscriber loss is because of the Everquest effect.

The EQ Effect: "I can't quit the game; I've put too much time into it!" People are dissatisfied, but they play because they're scared to death of losing their fake accomplishments in fake pixels and their fake friends they made in their guilds.

EVE has been solid, LOTRO has been solid, and Mythic managed to release WAR in a better state than most MMOs.

Like it or not, Turbine deserves some recognition for what they've done with the game -- despite several major releases this year, they're doing very well.

The core base of WoW is not the hard core raider types.  Its the casuals.  Only around 15% of WoW players made it to Black Temple, the "end raid" pre-WOTLK, and only around 5% were raiding the Sunwell, the "new end raid" put in a few months before the expac released.  I'd hardly call 5% or even 15% of a games players as its core.  Also, mostly everyone I know loves the new expansion, with a few exceptions, mostly related to pvp.  The only ones bitching about the pve side are the 5%/15% who have already blown through the initial raids and seem to have looted a huge sense of entitlement from one of the bosses.

LOTRO is a good game.  I didn't care for it, but I can see why people like it.  Turbine deserves praise for what they've done.  My point was this site is not representative at all of the general mmo player base and therefore the poll, while nice for LOTRO and its players, is meaningless.  Many people here seem to not know that and attach some sort of significance to their game "winning" the poll.  The internet nerd ragers that seem to live at sites like this hate WoW and would blame it for world hunger and war in the middle east if they could.

  Personally, I tried LotRO and didn't care for it.  The characters all look like they are either taking a dump or holding one in when they run. 

However, your argument fails on one point.  Yes, people who post here are not the average player.  They take more interest in the different aspects of what makes an MMO, and the different things that make a good MMO.  I would argue that, in fact, a poll on here might be stronger for that. 

Most of us here have tried and played 5...6...8 or more MMOs, from EVE to WoW.  The fact that a poll of experienced players says LotRO is the game of the year, says a lot for the game. It says a lot of players, critical of every MMO that comes out, said LotRO did the best job of combining the different aspects of gameplay to make an enjoyable MMO.  Now, if this group of trolls, QQers and fanbois(and I am one) says that, I'd think the average player would enjoy that game. 

Let's not forget, also, that the polls were close; close enough that a few days could have made a different outcome.  Look at what the poll really shows.  We are a community that likes choice, and we go through so much crap that, when we find what we like, we let everyone know it!

Originally posted by haggus71

Originally posted by Ginaz

Originally posted by grimmbot

You guys arguing about this site's credibility are so silly. "Waaah, only 5300 or so people voted, that doesn't mean anything!"

Well, duh. It's an internet poll, not a scientific phone survey. Did you expect something different?

WoW shouldn't have won. Not a chance. They're getting more flak from their core base than LOTRO is from theirs, and that flak has gotten worse since Lich King's release. WoW is alienating their core by trying to make the game more casual-friendly, and the only reason Blizzard hasn't suffered a subscriber loss is because of the Everquest effect.

The EQ Effect: "I can't quit the game; I've put too much time into it!" People are dissatisfied, but they play because they're scared to death of losing their fake accomplishments in fake pixels and their fake friends they made in their guilds.

EVE has been solid, LOTRO has been solid, and Mythic managed to release WAR in a better state than most MMOs.

Like it or not, Turbine deserves some recognition for what they've done with the game -- despite several major releases this year, they're doing very well.

The core base of WoW is not the hard core raider types.  Its the casuals.  Only around 15% of WoW players made it to Black Temple, the "end raid" pre-WOTLK, and only around 5% were raiding the Sunwell, the "new end raid" put in a few months before the expac released.  I'd hardly call 5% or even 15% of a games players as its core.  Also, mostly everyone I know loves the new expansion, with a few exceptions, mostly related to pvp.  The only ones bitching about the pve side are the 5%/15% who have already blown through the initial raids and seem to have looted a huge sense of entitlement from one of the bosses.

LOTRO is a good game.  I didn't care for it, but I can see why people like it.  Turbine deserves praise for what they've done.  My point was this site is not representative at all of the general mmo player base and therefore the poll, while nice for LOTRO and its players, is meaningless.  Many people here seem to not know that and attach some sort of significance to their game "winning" the poll.  The internet nerd ragers that seem to live at sites like this hate WoW and would blame it for world hunger and war in the middle east if they could.

  Personally, I tried LotRO and didn't care for it.  The characters all look like they are either taking a dump or holding one in when they run. 

However, your argument fails on one point.  Yes, people who post here are not the average player.  They take more interest in the different aspects of what makes an MMO, and the different things that make a good MMO.  I would argue that, in fact, a poll on here might be stronger for that. 

Most of us here have tried and played 5...6...8 or more MMOs, from EVE to WoW.  The fact that a poll of experienced players says LotRO is the game of the year, says a lot for the game. It says a lot of players, critical of every MMO that comes out, said LotRO did the best job of combining the different aspects of gameplay to make an enjoyable MMO.  Now, if this group of trolls, QQers and fanbois(and I am one) says that, I'd think the average player would enjoy that game. 

Let's not forget, also, that the polls were close; close enough that a few days could have made a different outcome.  Look at what the poll really shows.  We are a community that likes choice, and we go through so much crap that, when we find what we like, we let everyone know it!

Don't make the mistake of thinking that people who don't post on sites like this aren't experienced gamers.  I know of people who have played online games since the beginning with games like Meridian 59.  What I mean by people here aren't the average gamer is that we take things way too seriously at times and often extreme in our views.  Just because someone blows their top and spews their nerd rage all over the place, it doesn't make them any more knowledgeable or experienced.  A true scientific poll tries to get a cross section of the population.  MMORPG.com and sites like it are not an accurate cross section of people who play mmo's.

When I saw who won, I was just kind of "Meh, whatever".  To me it was just another meaningless online poll.  Then I read some of comments.  Some people took it as signal to vomit out some more WoW hatred, which is all too common here.

As someone who doesn't hate WoW or Blizzard (seriously, played WoW for 9+months, dragged in because of friends playing - game is fine and fun, I just dislike the look and "feel" of it); A LOT of the WoW-hate is really well deserved blow back against moronic WoW fanbois.

WoW is perfectly fine game, Blizzard did a fine job with it initially and continues to do more than "okay" supporting it...but WoW and Blizzard didn't invent the wheel here...WoW is a very refined and polished knock off of all the MMOs before it/contemporary to it combined with a phenomenally huge marketing budget and a pre-established massive market/fanbase from the Warcraft games.

Take away the massive funding and Warcraft tie-in and WoW would have been just another "meh" MMO (as in, perfectly successful and chugging along with the same sort of numbers as the others)...Blizzard didn't screw up, but the million+ players didn't flock to it because of some astounding game design or innovation.

Turbine/LotRO tried for a similar effect, no point in denying it - but they a) never had the money/marketing behind them and b) blew the timing totally by launching well after the movies had peaked

Wow impressive!

Even if the number of votes isn't huge, I would have bet on WotLK.

How come, what were all the wow fanbois doing?

Gz Turbine,well done.Lotro is best :)

Originally posted by ericbelser

Turbine/LotRO tried for a similar effect, no point in denying it - but they a) never had the money/marketing behind them and b) blew the timing totally by launching well after the movies had peaked

well, there is going to be made a movie based on "The Hobbit" so nothing is lost yet :D

and tbh all of my friends in LOTRO and other fans are speculating that it would be a REALLY wise move for Turbine to release new areas like Mirkwood Forest, Dale and Lonely Mountain when the movie is released.

I have already collected all of Bilbo's buttons in GT (Goblin Town). honestly. :D

i LOVE LOTRO.

and i was completely addicted to it (now i play less, because i have my studies! ). it is my first MMORPG , so you may say that i'm not experienced. but i've seen (and tried a little) WoW and AoC. and i really don't like it. it's just not my cup of tea as many of you said before.

in WoW the thing that scares me most are these kids running around crazy and asking stupid questions. also, i detest graphics. hate it.

in AoC i hated how the female character is presented.

yes, i'm a girl and to me it was... well... humiliating. i didn't even want to create one... i know that most (or let;s face it 99,9%) of games are aimed at men population, but girls like to play games too!

some guy from my kinship asked me once how can he persuade his girlfriend to play LOTRO with him. i said to tell her that she can have here as many pairs of shoes as she wants!

and this is what makes this game amazing for me:

1. storyline - i love Tolkien books

2. people who make this game - my kinship RoCkS! 

3. devs who REALLY care - who listen and put ideas and suggestions into practice

4. fantastic graphics

5. many, many more.

honestly, you can try it and then formulate your opinion.

thanks for reading :o)

Originally posted by Eressiel

Originally posted by ericbelser

Turbine/LotRO tried for a similar effect, no point in denying it - but they a) never had the money/marketing behind them and b) blew the timing totally by launching well after the movies had peaked

 

well, there is going to be made a movie based on "The Hobbit" so nothing is lost yet :D

and tbh all of my friends in LOTRO and other fans are speculating that it would be a REALLY wise move for Turbine to release new areas like Mirkwood Forest, Dale and Lonely Mountain when the movie is released.

I have already collected all of Bilbo's buttons in GT (Goblin Town). honestly. :D

 

i LOVE LOTRO.

and i was completely addicted to it (now i play less, because i have my studies! ). it is my first MMORPG , so you may say that i'm not experienced. but i've seen (and tried a little) WoW and AoC. and i really don't like it. it's just not my cup of tea as many of you said before.

in WoW the thing that scares me most are these kids running around crazy and asking stupid questions. also, i detest graphics. hate it.

in AoC i hated how the female character is presented.

yes, i'm a girl and to me it was... well... humiliating. i didn't even want to create one... i know that most (or let;s face it 99,9%) of games are aimed at men population, but girls like to play games too!

some guy from my kinship asked me once how can he persuade his girlfriend to play LOTRO with him. i said to tell her that she can have here as many pairs of shoes as she wants!

and this is what makes this game amazing for me:

1. storyline - i love Tolkien books

2. people who make this game - my kinship RoCkS! 

3. devs who REALLY care - who listen and put ideas and suggestions into practice

4. fantastic graphics

5. many, many more.

 

honestly, you can try it and then formulate your opinion.

thanks for reading :o)

well said

Imo thats the worst mmo of the year, i try out the trail and after less then 10 min i uninstalled it, it gets a -10 out of 10

Originally posted by Boudewijns

Imo thats the worst mmo of the year, i try out the trail and after less then 10 min i uninstalled it, it gets a -10 out of 10

I am gonna call BS on this. If you had even tried it (which I don't believe). You cannot do anything hardly at all in 10 minutes.  If your gonna lie make it more convincing.

Originally posted by khartman2005

Originally posted by Boudewijns

Imo thats the worst mmo of the year, i try out the trail and after less then 10 min i uninstalled it, it gets a -10 out of 10

 

I am gonna call BS on this. If you had even tried it (which I don't believe). You cannot do anything hardly at all in 10 minutes.  If your gonna lie make it more convincing.

i dont care what u think, i did play the trail game and i admit it was afigure of speech bout the 10 min and i say i still is a piece of BLEEP then i like wow better even if ur maxed out on lvl and have nothing todo then farming or pvp witch i hate btw, graphical wise the game isnt bad i admit it but the rest its ... well u know what i mean

Originally posted by Eressiel

Originally posted by ericbelser

Turbine/LotRO tried for a similar effect, no point in denying it - but they a) never had the money/marketing behind them and b) blew the timing totally by launching well after the movies had peaked

 

well, there is going to be made a movie based on "The Hobbit" so nothing is lost yet :D

and tbh all of my friends in LOTRO and other fans are speculating that it would be a REALLY wise move for Turbine to release new areas like Mirkwood Forest, Dale and Lonely Mountain when the movie is released.

I have already collected all of Bilbo's buttons in GT (Goblin Town). honestly. :D

 

i LOVE LOTRO.

and i was completely addicted to it (now i play less, because i have my studies! ). it is my first MMORPG , so you may say that i'm not experienced. but i've seen (and tried a little) WoW and AoC. and i really don't like it. it's just not my cup of tea as many of you said before.

in WoW the thing that scares me most are these kids running around crazy and asking stupid questions. also, i detest graphics. hate it.

in AoC i hated how the female character is presented.

yes, i'm a girl and to me it was... well... humiliating. i didn't even want to create one... i know that most (or let;s face it 99,9%) of games are aimed at men population, but girls like to play games too!

some guy from my kinship asked me once how can he persuade his girlfriend to play LOTRO with him. i said to tell her that she can have here as many pairs of shoes as she wants!

and this is what makes this game amazing for me:

1. storyline - i love Tolkien books

2. people who make this game - my kinship RoCkS! 

3. devs who REALLY care - who listen and put ideas and suggestions into practice

4. fantastic graphics

5. many, many more.

 

honestly, you can try it and then formulate your opinion.

thanks for reading :o)

this post made me smile. My 23 year old daughter who HATES computer games just started LoTRO. She has a mid 20's hobbit guardian who thinks she is a badass, note that DAd crafts all her gear. Anyway  she loves it but I she is already considering a elf RK cause she thinks elves look hot LOL .

Her fiancee is in the USAF and is currently deployed and also is a newcomer to the game so they use it as a graphical chat room when he is logged in. Lets hear it for LoTROs ingame voice chat

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by Eressiel

Originally posted by ericbelser

 

well, there is going to be made a movie based on "The Hobbit" so nothing is lost yet :D

and tbh all of my friends in LOTRO and other fans are speculating that it would be a REALLY wise move for Turbine to release new areas like Mirkwood Forest, Dale and Lonely Mountain when the movie is released.

I have already collected all of Bilbo's buttons in GT (Goblin Town). honestly. :D

 

i LOVE LOTRO.

and i was completely addicted to it (now i play less, because i have my studies! ). it is my first MMORPG , so you may say that i'm not experienced. but i've seen (and tried a little) WoW and AoC. and i really don't like it. it's just not my cup of tea as many of you said before.

in WoW the thing that scares me most are these kids running around crazy and asking stupid questions. also, i detest graphics. hate it.

in AoC i hated how the female character is presented.

yes, i'm a girl and to me it was... well... humiliating. i didn't even want to create one... i know that most (or let;s face it 99,9%) of games are aimed at men population, but girls like to play games too!

some guy from my kinship asked me once how can he persuade his girlfriend to play LOTRO with him. i said to tell her that she can have here as many pairs of shoes as she wants!

and this is what makes this game amazing for me:

1. storyline - i love Tolkien books

2. people who make this game - my kinship RoCkS! 

3. devs who REALLY care - who listen and put ideas and suggestions into practice

4. fantastic graphics

5. many, many more.

 

honestly, you can try it and then formulate your opinion.

thanks for reading :o)

this post made me smile. My 23 year old daughter who HATES computer games just started LoTRO. She has a mid 20's hobbit guardian who thinks she is a badass, note that DAd crafts all her gear , and loves it.

Her fiancee is in the USAF and is currently deployed so she uses it as a graphical chat room when he is logged in. Lets hear it for LoTROs ingame voice chat

Ah cool...  A neat and different use for MMO's

Great post Jackdog, thanks for sharing...

Originally posted by Electriceye

Wow impressive!

Even if the number of votes isn't huge, I would have bet on WotLK.

How come, what were all the wow fanbois doing?

WoW fanboys was prolly buzy playing WoW, and the Lotr fanboys is so bored of the game they stay on this forum and vote as much as they can. And are trying to keep security on any "bad" posts related to Lotr.

Originally posted by patrikd23

 

WoW fanboys was prolly buzy playing WoW, and the Lotr fanboys is so bored of the game they stay on this forum and vote as much as they can. And are trying to keep security on any "bad" posts related to Lotr.

Lol bitter much?

Originally posted by HYPERI0N

Originally posted by patrikd23

 

WoW fanboys was prolly buzy playing WoW, and the Lotr fanboys is so bored of the game they stay on this forum and vote as much as they can. And are trying to keep security on any "bad" posts related to Lotr.

Lol bitter much?

Nope acually not, but numbers speak for themselfs not fanboys votes in this case.

Originally posted by EbonHawk

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by Eressiel

Originally posted by ericbelser

 

well, there is going to be made a movie based on "The Hobbit" so nothing is lost yet :D

and tbh all of my friends in LOTRO and other fans are speculating that it would be a REALLY wise move for Turbine to release new areas like Mirkwood Forest, Dale and Lonely Mountain when the movie is released.

I have already collected all of Bilbo's buttons in GT (Goblin Town). honestly. :D

 

i LOVE LOTRO.

and i was completely addicted to it (now i play less, because i have my studies! ). it is my first MMORPG , so you may say that i'm not experienced. but i've seen (and tried a little) WoW and AoC. and i really don't like it. it's just not my cup of tea as many of you said before.

in WoW the thing that scares me most are these kids running around crazy and asking stupid questions. also, i detest graphics. hate it.

in AoC i hated how the female character is presented.

yes, i'm a girl and to me it was... well... humiliating. i didn't even want to create one... i know that most (or let;s face it 99,9%) of games are aimed at men population, but girls like to play games too!

some guy from my kinship asked me once how can he persuade his girlfriend to play LOTRO with him. i said to tell her that she can have here as many pairs of shoes as she wants!

and this is what makes this game amazing for me:

1. storyline - i love Tolkien books

2. people who make this game - my kinship RoCkS! 

3. devs who REALLY care - who listen and put ideas and suggestions into practice

4. fantastic graphics

5. many, many more.

 

honestly, you can try it and then formulate your opinion.

thanks for reading :o)

this post made me smile. My 23 year old daughter who HATES computer games just started LoTRO. She has a mid 20's hobbit guardian who thinks she is a badass, note that DAd crafts all her gear , and loves it.

Her fiancee is in the USAF and is currently deployed so she uses it as a graphical chat room when he is logged in. Lets hear it for LoTROs ingame voice chat

Ah cool...  A neat and different use for MMO's

Great post Jackdog, thanks for sharing...

I got a similar story hehe

My gf is temporarily in another country for almost a year, coming back every 3 months or so.

I'm also studying in a different country than all my friends but what we did is we got our own Ventrilo server  and we all play Lotro + chat in Vent together :)

We're even in the same kin that gladly accepted us from our 6th level :)

The only other place I found similar people was EQ2 - just wanted to say that :P

Originally posted by patrikd23

Originally posted by HYPERI0N

Originally posted by patrikd23

 

WoW fanboys was prolly buzy playing WoW, and the Lotr fanboys is so bored of the game they stay on this forum and vote as much as they can. And are trying to keep security on any "bad" posts related to Lotr.

Lol bitter much?

 

Nope acually not, but numbers speak for themselfs not fanboys votes in this case.

Indeed they do, and if you want numbers all you have to do is go into a population centre in Moria like Dolven-View or even better/worse The 21st Hall, it's so jam-packed with people most hours of the day (I try doing my business there in the early morning haha, or go to Thorin's, a bit less crowded there :)) that it's hard to move cause of the lag, and if you want actual numbers, just do a /who statement, but be prepared for a long list of player names :)

Congrats Turbine and LotRO Dev Team. You really ARE the best!

:)

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Another NAIL in the credibilaty coffin of mmorpg-ihatewow.com

A laugh is that 5300 people voted on a WORLD wide web site.

My local football club Sparta Zemst has more votes when they organise a poll on the www.

And our local team always manages to win the poll of best club ....ahead of duds like Manchster United and Real Madrid.

+5000 votes for such a website make me laugh.

Keep it up Stradden. MMORPG.COM is the laughing stock of the industry.

I HATE WOW, yeah, so lets vote for the best boring  lifeless copy cat clone of it.

 

 

 

If it is the laughing stock, then what are you doing here?

Either way, gratz LOTRO !