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World of Warcraft News - Teen Arrested for WoW Suicide Threat
Posted by Keith Cross on Jan 02, 2009 | 81 comments in our forums
An Ohio teen was recently arrested by local police when he falsely claimed he was suicidal during a conversation with a WoW GM.
After a 17-year-old in Fairfield, Ohio told a GM "he was suicidal and the game was the only thing he had to live for," the Blizzard rep called 911, and the kid was apparently arrested, according to the Middletown Journal. We've seen this before -- Blizzard won't put up with suicide threats -- but as far as I know, this is the first we've heard of an arrest coming about because of it. Apparently the charge is a first degree misdemeanor, and though the kid was released to his father, he's got a court date to face next week.
The dumbest part? The kid wasn't even suicidal -- he told officers when questioned that it was a joke "to try and get what he wanted for the game." We doubt this will lead to anything big (we'd put the kid in community service and give him a slap on the wrist -- he's probably scared enough after being handcuffed and put in a patrol car), but Blizzard's policy is exactly right on this one, if you ask us. If the threat is real, this could prevent a tragedy, and if it's just some kid messing around to try and get his banned account back, he might learn a little lesson in the process.
Read more here.
Things like this should always be taken seriously. There was a news story not to long ago about a kid who commited suicide on justin.tv or whatever the name of that webcam site is. Everyone was laughing and egging him on in the chat becuase they thought it was a joke. Until they say the police enter the kids room on his webcam.
If I was unclear he did die.
lol thats really hilarious...
...makes me laugh to see what desperate measures the kids from today make just to get some item ingame, only because they lack the skill to do this themselves ingame.
One of the hardcore games play has a large amount of people in it who will say some stuff which I think just shouldnt be said.
A lot of people I noticed will be saying some extremely offensive things.
Like end yourself, or /wrists, die in a fire...
People think its a big joke but as someone who suffers form mental illness and depression, suicide is not funny at all.
People tell me I need to have thicker skin etc. There is no reason for these things to be said, ever.
The next time one of decides to push someone joking around telling them to go kill themselves, think about it first, how would you feel if you were the the final push for a teenager killing themselves.
What if he really was suicidal? Would they still have arrested him instead of getting him help? Threatening suicide should get you a trip to the hospital not jail.
Um..Isnt there a thread already about this incident? Didn't check the time it was posted though.
Edit: Yes there is, and it got this one beaten by over an hour
www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/217778/page/1
While I agree with you skydragonren, and the world *is* over populated with idiots, don't forget that if someone does kill themelves and you're in their chatlog telling them 'stfu and /wrist already' than you'll probbly end up charged with something.
You know how over letigious society is becoming these days...
Very true, of course I think all those "Oh yeah!!! Well I will sue you!!!" type people. Should /wrist
Oh I agree, Blizz did the right thing, this is where it went wrong though.
Instead of the cops arresting the retard, they should have punched him in the face and told him to quit using MMOGlider, then smashed his 1337 32 inch lcd monitor and followed with a swift kick to his nuts on the way out the door.
Case close.
What would they have solved, well by punching him, prolly nothing. The kid obviously didn't have any brain cells to miss anyway. Smashing his monitor, maybe mommy and daddy won't buy him another one and we won't have to suffer playing wow with him anymore, and with a swift kick to the nuts, he can't contaminate the rest of the free world with retarded muppet baby offspring if they kick hard enough.
Would have been great had they handled it that way.
Good Job on Blizz. As far as the kid getting arrested...the law in all 50 states recognozes homicide as the taking of a life, and attempted homicide as the same. When someone even threatens suicide, they can be brought up on reckless endangerment or even conspiracy to commit. Of course, they usually just get medical treatment, but the way most laws are written, they don't distinguish between taking your own life, or someone else's.
Junior is finding out what happens when you play games with the wrong people. Can you imagine how many retards would go, "Take off my ban or I'm gonna /wrist!!!111!!111" if the law didn't arrest the retard?
Kid should be given a few hundred hours of community service and his parents should cancel his account.
On the one hand, there are laws preventing people from getting arrested for attempting to kill themselves.
On the other, this kid openly admits that he never intended to kill himself, and was only trying to get what he wanted. His arrest was for inciting panic, and rightfully so. As you said, if we had every asshat kid claiming to be suicidal all the time, the resources expended to check every one of these would be astronomical.
Very true, of course I think all those "Oh yeah!!! Well I will sue you!!!" type people. Should /wrist
Well it has to be said that the two posters Skydragonren and SunwolfNC are fools, how old are you to children? you really need to grow up, it shows that you have no life experience, else you would not make such depraved comments, and take life so lightly, one mans rubbish is another mans gold. You are entitled to your opinions as I am and others are ours, but to say you laugh at others pain and miss-fortune shows the fibber and calibre of your characters, let me just say, that if you were a member of my family and I could see that you would end up as you are now, then I'd have drowned you at birth, you should both be ashamed of yourselves, people like you don't deserve to live and make me sick, and by your comments have shown everybody the cowards and bullies that you are, I laugh at you both and your sad life's.
I am a true believer in karma, and what goes around comes around, I hope that if either of you ever find yourselves in a hard place, that the people around you show you compassion and kindness and not the scorn that you show others.
I Hope Blizzard banned the kid's account over his irresponsible behavior. Suicide hurts families and friends alike and its not something you joke about. Props to blizzard for calling the cops!!! A few hours in a cell with real delinquints may straighten the kid up!!!!
If I said /wrist in game.... and some idiot actually did that.... Then good.... that is one less emo retard we have to worry about on planet earth.
I am a firm believer in idiots killing themselves, the earth is over populated anyway.
If you are stupid enough to kill yourself for any reason....you didn't need to be breathing the same air as everyone else anyway. Might contaminate the air supply with the "dumbass virus".
I don't think being suicidal makes you stupid skydragonren. I mean you aren't feeling suicidal are you?
we have lost our common sense due to all these friggin lawyers... ugh... just as dumb as that lady winning the lawsuit against McDonalds for spilling hot coffee on herself
common sense, where for art thou???
Because it said that he was not really suicidal; he told the police it was a joke. Either way, attempting suicide is illegal and warrants arrest if you do not need immediate medical attention. Then you will probably end up with some inpatient hospital time.
People who are suicidal should be arrested and placed in prison. If they are still suicidal in prison they shoud be tied to a bed and held against their will indefinitely. That way they don't hurt themselves.
Well it has to be said that the two posters Skydragonren and SunwolfNC are fools, how old are you to children? you really need to grow up, it shows that you have no life experience, else you would not make such depraved comments, and take life so lightly, one mans rubbish is another mans gold. You are entitled to your opinions as I am and others are ours, but to say you laugh at others pain and miss-fortune shows the fibber and calibre of your characters, let me just say, that if you were a member of my family and I could see that you would end up as you are now, then I'd have drowned you at birth, you should both be ashamed of yourselves, people like you don't deserve to live and make me sick, and by your comments have shown everybody the cowards and bullies that you are, I laugh at you both and your sad life's.
I am a true believer in karma, and what goes around comes around, I hope that if either of you ever find yourselves in a hard place, that the people around you show you compassion and kindness and not the scorn that you show others.
This is even better than Skydragonrens post.
hyp⋅o⋅crite
1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose *actions belie stated beliefs.
*actions or posted comments
ROLF
I --->
to you.
Could not agree more
If this is not policy for all video game companies it should be.
This will look great on my report on human condition in N.A.
Almost as cool as Star Wars kid.
good for the ohio police . if it was in the uk they would nt have arrested him most likly because we have daft laws protecting these little bratts and they know it . on a side note cant say i ve heard of anyone suicidal in wow but i ve recieved a couple of death threats lol . wow can be a like a school yeard at times . great game but a large proportion of its community leaves something to be desired .
Well it has to be said that the two posters Skydragonren and SunwolfNC are fools, how old are you to children? you really need to grow up, it shows that you have no life experience, else you would not make such depraved comments, and take life so lightly, one mans rubbish is another mans gold. You are entitled to your opinions as I am and others are ours, but to say you laugh at others pain and miss-fortune shows the fibber and calibre of your characters, let me just say, that if you were a member of my family and I could see that you would end up as you are now, then I'd have drowned you at birth, you should both be ashamed of yourselves, people like you don't deserve to live and make me sick, and by your comments have shown everybody the cowards and bullies that you are, I laugh at you both and your sad life's.
I am a true believer in karma, and what goes around comes around, I hope that if either of you ever find yourselves in a hard place, that the people around you show you compassion and kindness and not the scorn that you show others.
This is even better than Skydragonrens post.
hyp⋅o⋅crite
1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose *actions belie stated beliefs.
*actions or posted comments
ROLF
I --->
to you.
OMG a person that claims to know me, but in fact is talking out of the @ss, you don't know me and you will never know me, you know nothing of my life, what I do or have done, you are a fool, I pretend nothing, I have led a good life and have helped many people, there is nothing in my life that I would say that I am ashamed of, can you say the same? I doubt it very much, no you are a parasite and a low life, you sit on your ivory mountain claiming to be this all mighty all seeing second coming, when in fact you are the fool on the hill, in future keep comments about things that you know nothing of to yourself, now run along and go play with all your 9th grade friends.
This kid needs a swift backhand, bet he never got a spankin in there whole life, my kids are 7 and know better than to joke about suicide especially to try to rob something, liberal fucktards saying spankings are bad, sometimes kids need a good old fashioned spanking otherwise they grow up to be spoiled little whiney self centered jerks who do shit like this dipshit did.
Because it said that he was not really suicidal; he told the police it was a joke. Either way, attempting suicide is illegal and warrants arrest if you do not need immediate medical attention. Then you will probably end up with some inpatient hospital time.
If someone says they are going to kill their neighbor, and the police show up and they say " it was a joke" do you think the police are just going to walk away?
The reason threatening suicide is a crime is because of false alarms. If a credible person says they are going to commit suicide, you do not want a first responder (police/emt) not taking it seriously. it's the same reason why pulling a fire alarm is a crime even if you never planned on starting a fire. You don't want there to be so many false alarms that first responders stop showing up or get complacent.
Also, just because he was 'arrested' does not mean he didn't get a psych evaluation. They put you in handcuffs so you can't hurt yourself, they process you through the police station, but then they will call in a shrink to evaluate if the threat was real. If the threat was real, more than likely the charges would be dropped and the kid would get help, if the kid was 'joking' then he'll probably be charged (ironic, no?).
In any event, Blizzard did the right thing. Not only from a humanistic standpoint, but also from a legal standpoint. If they hadn't had responded, the parents would have sued them had they found out.
Good call Babysitter/GM!
He/she did the right thing to call 911 for this kid.
This game needs more babbysitters/GMs like this that sees taking care of it's children and not just their money is a good thing
Dude, you just complained about their 'depraved' comments, then followed it up by saying that you would have drowned them at birth and that they 'don't desearve to live'. If you don't see the irony in that you are truly a self righteous hypocrite. Careful up on that high horse buddy, I would hate to see you fall and break something.
Everyone will take this as a joke, until someone really hangs itself... and hangs it for real!
OMG a person that claims to know me, but in fact is talking out of the @ss, you don't know me and you will never know me, you know nothing of my life, what I do or have done, you are a fool, I pretend nothing, I have led a good life and have helped many people, there is nothing in my life that I would say that I am ashamed of, can you say the same? I doubt it very much, no you are a parasite and a low life, you sit on your ivory mountain claiming to be this all mighty all seeing second coming, when in fact you are the fool on the hill, in future keep comments about things that you know nothing of to yourself, now run along and go play with all your 9th grade friends.
You might not be ashamed of wanting people too 'drown people at birth' and calling people a 'parasite and a low life' but I certainly would. Can't you articulate your frustrations without resorting to such baseness? And if you want people to treat your comments with slightly more respect try not to resort to such behaviour and I'm sure it could illicit a more positive response.
If 'kids' making flippiant comments, boil your blood so much you probably better not frequent the Internet(and especially this site!), TV or the outside in general.
Regards
This is ridiculous.
It is really pothetic that a kid will go to such lengths to fake being sucidal. Especially for the purpose of trying to get something out of it. Honestly, I think that being arrested was for the best for this kid. But at the same time, it is ludicrous that the GMs have to play the role of "babysitters" or "guardians" of these kids today.
Where are the parents and what the hell are they doing? They need to be spending more time with their kids, and perhaps making them give World of Warcraft a break for awhile and use that $15 a month they are paying towards something else better for their kids. Maybe then, situations such as this one, may be avoided through out the future.
Hmm now I'm going to hazard a guess here, you're not from the UK, otherwise you'd have understood the Irony of that comment, very similar to a comment I remember my mother saying to a younger brother of mine, many years ago, when a good slap never hurt anybody and you would not be charged with child abuse for administering it either. My brother had made some nasty comments about a disabled girl that lived in our street, and he was told by my mother that if she had known as we were going up, that he would grow up to be a spiteful and wilful as of the comments, then she would have slapped it out of him as a child, which is something that this 17 year old may have missed as a child, perhaps if he had been taught this lesson in life he would have not claimed what he did, but that is something we will never know.
But give yourself a pat on the back for spotting it, it's good to see that it's not mainly just kids that read these boards,
OMG a person that claims to know me, but in fact is talking out of the @ss, you don't know me and you will never know me, you know nothing of my life, what I do or have done, you are a fool, I pretend nothing, I have led a good life and have helped many people, there is nothing in my life that I would say that I am ashamed of, can you say the same? I doubt it very much, no you are a parasite and a low life, you sit on your ivory mountain claiming to be this all mighty all seeing second coming, when in fact you are the fool on the hill, in future keep comments about things that you know nothing of to yourself, now run along and go play with all your 9th grade friends.
You might not be ashamed of wanting people too 'drown people at birth' and calling people a 'parasite and a low life' but I certainly would. Can't you articulate your frustrations without resorting to such baseness? And if you want people to treat your comments with slightly more respect try not to resort to such behaviour and I'm sure it could illicit a more positive response.
If 'kids' making flippiant comments, boil your blood so much you probably better not frequent the Internet(and especially this site!), TV or the outside in general.
Regards
Thank you for your comments and your sage advice, I will endeavour to follow your words, I am humbled to have been taught this lesson by such a paragon of virtue, all hail the mighty Wicro. I am not worthy
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I think his parents need to role-play that all his WoW characters committed a mass suicide and they should delete each of them for good.
OMG a person that claims to know me, but in fact is talking out of the @ss, you don't know me and you will never know me, you know nothing of my life, what I do or have done, you are a fool, I pretend nothing, I have led a good life and have helped many people, there is nothing in my life that I would say that I am ashamed of, can you say the same? I doubt it very much, no you are a parasite and a low life, you sit on your ivory mountain claiming to be this all mighty all seeing second coming, when in fact you are the fool on the hill, in future keep comments about things that you know nothing of to yourself, now run along and go play with all your 9th grade friends.
You might not be ashamed of wanting people too 'drown people at birth' and calling people a 'parasite and a low life' but I certainly would. Can't you articulate your frustrations without resorting to such baseness? And if you want people to treat your comments with slightly more respect try not to resort to such behaviour and I'm sure it could illicit a more positive response.
If 'kids' making flippiant comments, boil your blood so much you probably better not frequent the Internet(and especially this site!), TV or the outside in general.
Regards
Thank you for your comments and your sage advice, I will endeavour to follow your words, I am humbled to have been taught this lesson by such a paragon of virtue, all hail the mighty Wicro. I am not worthy
.
You misinterpreted why I posted, I never set myself up as a paragon of virtue. Far from it, I am no 'saint' and I never claimed to be . However, you sir did, in your statement that your have never done anything that you were ashamed of, I merely pointed out that this seems slightly a absurd boast when you wish to 'drown people at birth'. I would be ashamed of that statement, which was my point, if you disagree then I feel more sorry for you than the 'kids' you seem to hate.
Regards
Wicro
You might not be ashamed of wanting people too 'drown people at birth' and calling people a 'parasite and a low life' but I certainly would. Can't you articulate your frustrations without resorting to such baseness? And if you want people to treat your comments with slightly more respect try not to resort to such behaviour and I'm sure it could illicit a more positive response.
If 'kids' making flippiant comments, boil your blood so much you probably better not frequent the Internet(and especially this site!), TV or the outside in general.
Regards
Thank you for your comments and your sage advice, I will endeavour to follow your words, I am humbled to have been taught this lesson by such a paragon of virtue, all hail the mighty Wicro. I am not worthy
.
You misinterpreted why I posted, I never set myself up as a paragon of virtue. Far from it, I am no 'saint' and I never claimed to be . However, you sir did, in your statement that your have never done anything that you were ashamed of, I merely pointed out that this seems slightly a absurd boast when you wish to 'drown people at birth'. I would be ashamed of that statement, which was my point, if you disagree then I feel more sorry for you than the 'kids' you seem to hate.
Regards
Wicro
Now I've read and re-read my post, and at no point do I claim to be a saint, so either I'm going blind or you're seeing what you want to see.
Just to educate you dear boy, the term " I'd have drowned you at birth " is a figure of speech, and does not literally mean that I would have drowned them at birth, it basically means that they would have gotten a darn good spanking, and no not at birth, so it is you that have misinterpreted myself not visa versa, and again I say that I have never done anything that I am ashamed of, there is an old adage that I believe would be fitting here.
" Sticks and stones my break my bones, but names will never hurt me "
Now speaking of claiming to be a saint, I really would advise you to go back and read your overly holier than thou patronising post again, and see whom is claiming to be the saint, I'd try a few times if I were you, with any luck then you may get it, though I doubt that. (That's sarcasm old boy, you do know what that is don't you?)
LOL now that's a good idea, would teach him a very good lesson, and take the object of his obsession away from him, cos lets face it, to sink so low, he had to be obsessed with WOW.
Thanks for the reply, Royou
I suppose statements such as 'you don't deserve to live' and 'i laugh at you and your sad life' were both misinterpreted by me, I obviously don't come from a culture where these statements are equal to 'a good spanking' please forgive my ignorance. (its certainly not how I would talk to my kids)
Again I was merely pointing out that these kind of statements, in my opinion, seemed to be slightly over the top. If your going to be so indigent over another's post , then the use of approaite language would seem to be in order. I would not use this type of statements, therefore I questioned your statement of ' never being ashamed' that was all. As far as I'm aware I have not thrown metaphorical or otherwise 'stones' , however if you feel offended by someone pointing out your 'spanking' then I am truly sorry there was no malice intent ,merely an observation.
regards
Thank you for you Swift reply Wicro.
We were talking about being drowned at birth not the others, but yes they are harsh words to use, but to be honest at times these are the only words that people like that will understand, they would have just brushed them off, thought of me with all the names under the sun, laughed and then moved on, as they say words are cheap.
I could have worded it better, but don't and didn't see the point, I'm just sick of teens these days, whom draw pleasure from seeing others suffer, kids that think it is big and cleaver to humiliate and ridicule another to the point that they do go and take their own lives, it's happening more and more in the UK nowadays, and you have to stop and ask your self, where have we gone wrong? where is the compassion for others gone? I hear names like Freak, Emo, Mosher so on and so on, there was never this when I was in school, yes we had different groups, Punks, Mods, Skin heads and a few others, but none of what kids say and speak like today, in my day it was a good old fight and then you put your differences behind you, made friends and moved on, nowadays kids are more likely to get arrested or thrown out of school for fighting, then plot and more than likely stab or shoot the other.
I just don't know where this world is heading and I find that worrying.
Thank you for you Swift reply Wicro.
We were talking about being drowned at birth not the others, but yes they are harsh words to use, but to be honest at times these are the only words that people like that will understand, they would have just brushed them off, thought of me with all the names under the sun, laughed and then moved on, as they say words are cheap.
I could have worded it better, but don't and didn't see the point, I'm just sick of teens these days, whom draw pleasure from seeing others suffer, kids that think it is big and cleaver to humiliate and ridicule another to the point that they do go and take their own lives, it's happening more and more in the UK nowadays, and you have to stop and ask your self, where have we gone wrong? where is the compassion for others gone? I hear names like Freak, Emo, Mosher so on and so on, there was never this when I was in school, yes we had different groups, Punks, Mods, Skin heads and a few others, but none of what kids say and speak like today, in my day it was a good old fight and then you put your differences behind you, made friends and moved on, nowadays kids are more likely to get arrested or thrown out of school for fighting, then plot and more than likely stab or shoot the other.
I just don't know where this world is heading and I find that worrying.
And thank you for a far more reasoned response Royou. Your concerns are truly noted, however I feel they may be slightly unjustified. Every generation has had similar concerns (At least with the invention of 'childhood' see the works of Areis for why this is problematic). The days of having a 'good old fight' are consigned to the past (and some would argue this a good thing,for the weaker in society), but still the vast majority of people in my experience are reasonably well adjusted individuals, don't be so quick to condemn on a very slight minority that is over-hyped in the media.
Please don't take this the wrong way but I feel a reasoned response is a far better way to deal with something you feel is obnoxious or offensive if you are going to take a 'moral high ground' (what ever that is). The post you got so upset responded to was in my humble opinion, less offensive than your response (hence why i felt the need to intraject, which I would not normally). I realise this is subjective, but I think my main points are valid if you are truly offended.
Regards with best wishes for the new year
Wicro
A mountain out of a molehill.
What a non-story....
They should just shut down his wow account and introduce him to something called "real life".
this kid made a stupid choice and he is paying for it. and rightfully so. and to suicide? i think its a selfish act, but i have no sympathy for anyone who commits suicide, i say let them, free up some air and resources for the rest of us who go on living our lives functionally.
i think attempted suicide should only be punishable only if u don't go through with it, then you should be arrested and put in a rubber room. attempting suicide and not going through with it fully, is like crying wolf. waste everyone's time, with cops/medics coming to help you. if you go through with it, they only need to tag and bag you.
trust me, suicide is always an option lol. i call it thinning the herd.
So you would have no sympathy for a rape victim who wanted to commit suicide? I am getting the feeling like you never had to live with something that was hard to live with. Not saying that suicide is right, but you can at least have some fucking sympathy.
So you would have no sympathy for a rape victim who wanted to commit suicide? I am getting the feeling like you never had to live with something that was hard to live with. Not saying that suicide is right, but you can at least have some fucking sympathy.
now ur just grasping at straws and brushing with a wide stroke. i feel sorry for a rape victim, that much is true. but suicide, nope. sorry, call me heartless, i call myself a realist. SUICIDE=giving up. as far as living with something hard? ive lived with hardship, didnt have employment for over 5 months, so broke i had barely anything to eat. got evicted. but i dindt quit. i picked myself up, and kept going forward. now i got a good job.
now ur just grasping at straws and brushing with a wide stroke. i feel sorry for a rape victim, that much is true. but suicide, nope. sorry, call me heartless, i call myself a realist. SUICIDE=giving up. as far as living with something hard? ive lived with hardship, didnt have employment for over 5 months, so broke i had barely anything to eat. got evicted. but i dindt quit. i picked myself up, and kept going forward. now i got a good job.
Well you have a good point there with the giving up part, but I would still have sympathy no matter what.
now ur just grasping at straws and brushing with a wide stroke. i feel sorry for a rape victim, that much is true. but suicide, nope. sorry, call me heartless, i call myself a realist. SUICIDE=giving up. as far as living with something hard? ive lived with hardship, didnt have employment for over 5 months, so broke i had barely anything to eat. got evicted. but i dindt quit. i picked myself up, and kept going forward. now i got a good job.
That's not really hardship, what you experienced. I don't think you have an idea what drives a person to commit suicide, I base that on what you call hardship above.
But I doubt it would help to try and explain it, because I don't think you want to learn. It is always easier to simply be stuck with one way of thinking. You see, trying to understand other people and be sympathetic is the difficult thing to do. To just brush them off as giving up is the easy thing to do :P
What the above poster described as hardship is a physical thing, something one can act on and do something about. That is easy, when we humans can act, we live. Problems we can act on and do something about are the ones we can live with.
It's the problems we can't do anything about, those we can't act on, it's those that can sometimes drive people to commit suicide. That or mental illness like depression, bipolarity etc.
either way you slice it, suicide is an act i have no sympathy for. alot of people commit suicide for stupid, selfish reasons. some yeah, could be attributed to mental illness, that I have no problems with, as they are not "wired" properly in the brain.
but you would be surprised how many people commit suicide for selfish, retarded reasons, their bf or gf left them, they think everyone is against them, or people are conspiring to bring them down, or something so ridiculous you think, what is going on in their head that they are doing this? I feel if you cant seek help, or not willing to seek help, you know what the end result is going to be here is the razor, you got 5 minutes. alot of people balk suicide for attention. their way of crying out for help. or seeking attention "me me me" attitude. but in the end for me as far as im concerned its nothing more than a selfish act of quiting on life. I wont stop a person from commiting suicide.
they have set on a path to take themselves out, its their final attempt at regaining control of their own problem by solving it for good. who am i to stop them? this who legality BS about oh they shouldnt be able to commit suicide? I say let them. I am going to live my life irregardless if they slit their wrists or not.
and the BS I went thru isnt hardship? how convenient. but timmy, or sally going through emotional strife rebeling against the norm is?
i make no apologies at all for being a heartless bastard when i say:
Suicide = evolution in action, survival of the mentally Fit.
Suicide is a naturally occurring phenomenon among humankind that rids the species of mentally defective people, the kind of people we want LESS of as a species.
Normal, mentally strong healthy people (the kind we want MORE of as a species) don't commit suicide.
edit: oh btw the reason Blizzard has such policies and did what it did was to cover it's ass financially so it wouldn't get SUED, not because it was so compassionate and concerned with the mental welfare of one of it's customers.
good and valid point well said.
This is the reason why every threat, credible or not, should be taken seriously.
Yes but also dead customers can't play or pay.
From the majority of post's I get the feeling that most of you have never had to deal with suicide with a family member, friend or somebody close, if you had your views on it would be considerably different.
Let me ask you a question, what would be your reaction, to a school kid that is bullied, beaten up on a daily basis, is ridiculed by everybody, who has tried to get help, can't tell his parent as the are high on drugs or drunk all the time, and they are not interested every time he has approached them, what would your comments be then, that he was a weak twat and did not deserve to live? who are we to judge whom should or should not live, I myself if approached by him would do all that I could to help him, if he still did take his own life, the I would morn his loss, and feel that I had failed him. It takes a lot of guts to take your own life, and is not an easy act, our natural instinct is for self preservation and this goes against that, for many suicide is to them their only option, I say give them help and compassion and help them work through and over their problems.
Let me give you another instance. What would your comments be, to a girl of 15 that has been abused for all her life, physically and sexually, has been forced to have countless abortions, she has tried to get help, has told the teachers, but they didn't believe her, so she stopped going to school, has tried many times to run away from home, but is found and then dragged home, beaten then abused, is told that if she tells the police that she will be killed, her mother is an alcoholic and a drug addict, what would you say then if she saw the only way out, was to end her suffering? what would you view of this be?
Don't say that I've made this up, in my line of work we hear of incidents like this on a weekly basis, most have a good out come, but there as still the sad few that slip through the system.
I had an uncle commit suicide, we weren't particularly close, but we did share a roof.
Now that that's out of the way, while I don't view it with quite as harsh an opinion as others, I do firmly believe that those who would (or do) commit suicide deserve no sympathy, no special treatment. If they are willing to selfishly give up and leave those that love them behind to pick up the pieces and trudge on with that added emptiness, then they deserve the death they have bestowed upon themselves and should be thrown out with yesterday's trash.
I find that I'm still angry with my uncle 8 years after the fact. He left a family behind who almost lost everything because they were thrust into a financial pitfall.
Let the weak fade, and pray they don't drag the innocent down with them.
hey you fuckin stupid fag, personally i'd just LOVE the idea of some asshole offing themselves on my suggestion. I wouldn't expect a mental cripple such as yourself to see the pleasure that can be had from others suffering.
Epic Fail kid.
Epic fail.
I feel worse for the father that's embarassed by the mess and the officers that had to waste their time on this crap.
Awesome way to handle this from Blizzard.
You can hate or like Blizzard but they have some very bright people working for them.
You are heartless, really, you are a dispicable excuse for a human being if that's how you think about life.
I hope I never meet people like you in RL. You're lucky someone doesn't toss your ass in jail for saying that.
Next time you are down, I hope for your own sake, that no one kicks you down in the ground like you do others, or it might be you thinks about suicide. And for your sake, when that time comes for you, I hope you have people around you who aren't so heartless as yourself and talk you out of it.
People who commit suicide aren't selfish. They are in trouble and need help and love.
Don't be so ignorant to think that it's all their fault. I was lucky enough I had people around me who cared. I hope everyone has those.
You are heartless, really, you are a dispicable excuse for a human being if that's how you think about life. he's not a dispicable excuse for a human being just as your not. everyone has different opinions, downgrading, belittling, or ostrasizing peoples view when it doesn't relate to your own, shows lack of perspective. just like the other guy i dont kick a person while their down, if they need help and ask for it, i will give it to them, but if they go through with the act thats their choice they made the intent.
I hope I never meet people like you in RL. You're lucky someone doesn't toss your ass in jail for saying that. no one can toss his ass in jail for saying that. last time I remember, it was called "freedom of speech". you may not agree with it, but its his view, and you should respect it as we respect your view on the matter. Getting mad shows you have a "intolerance" for others views when it's not similar to yours.
Next time you are down, I hope for your own sake, that no one kicks you down in the ground like you do others, or it might be you thinks about suicide. And for your sake, when that time comes for you, I hope you have people around you who aren't so heartless as yourself and talk you out of it.
in the end some people are winners, and some people are quitters(metarphorically that is). the world isn't this candy coated wonderland where everything is dealt with in an ideal way, there are tragedies, there are people who are going to slip through the system and there is nothing you can do on a statistical level. its err to be human, face it, realize it rather than put your head in the ground thinking false ideals of the world that aren't there.
People commit suicide for their own reasons, and agenda. If people want to commit suicide I say let them its not your place to stop them, its their own body. Everyone wants to control and sort everyone's problems out rather than their own. If the person can have the gumption to get help, by all means, give it to them. but if they are intent on self terminating themselves, it was meant to be.
as far as my time? Im sure i will hve my family there by my side, but it won't be due to suicide you can be certain of that. I am "stronger" than that. frankly I feel its a logical end to a illogical choice. for alot of people it erases the erroneous genetic make up they would of "contributed" to the human-gene pool allowing for a more systematic and more genuine evolved human genome that is less riddled by mental illness, physical anomalies, genetic markers prone to cancers, parkinson's, tourettes, you name it.
Suicide is a human related form of "self-culling" (sped up the natural process of death, shall we say) just as the sick animal gets taken out by a predator and the healthy animals get to live, this is a natural biological "cleansing" of the human biology/psyche allowing for more mentally fit/intelligent, and physically fit individuals to prosper.
hate me if you wish, but there is a rhyme and reason for everything. regardless if you approve of it or not.
She actually lost on appeal!
How very sad that that child felt the "need" to lie that way. I hope his situation rattles his senses and makes him realize how daft he was for pretending to be suicidal.
I flippin' HATE when people do that. It's not funny and it's not something to be joked about. I've been around suicidal people and have known those to have done it. It really isn't a laughing matter.
Of course online you find a lot of jerks who think it is funny. And if you don't laugh then you need a thicker skin. Whatever happened to treating others as you'd want to be treated?
It's just too damned easy to hide behind words these days.
Whats even funnier,It does not take any skill at all other than maybe Arena play (and that has its limits)to gain items in wow. The new dungeons are really easy,pvp items are not hard to get if you stick with it,and finally you still can craft good items for yourself if needed. WoW with its Daily quests and rep epics is without a dought one of the easiest mmo's out there if you have time.
Blizzard being concerned? NO. Its Blizzard avoiding another sue over another BS suicide. Thats why they have a zero tolerance policy on this kind of stuff. They have to take their finger out of their own ass, and smell the sh*t that they made since WoW's release.
I'm saying, in this situation I'd ignore the little turd. Those who cheat are obviously not the ones that are obsessed with it. Because, they simply don't care about the game (if its going to be broken over your cheap ass cheating). Getting police and lawyers involved in this trash, I swear, its something that makes me want to go and nuke the buildings that house the servers.
I used to respect Blizzard, before they became a mindless, money raking machine (anti-sue policies are just another measure to make sure the money goes straight in the greedy little asses). Before they started make sh*t game (yes, I mean WoW as it is now) and banning/suspending people for the most utterly ridiculous reasons. They've just about given GM/Moderator powers, to THE most retarded people on the face of the planet.
All they have going for them is WoW, once that dies (and yes it will). They will turn into nothing. Though they will be a pile of nothing with tons of cash.
I had someone who was suicidal ingame once, I didn't know how to deal with it so petitioned a gm to talk to them. Then again looking back, maybe she wasn't as she talked about stuff like the black sabbath. So maybe she was a goth or something.
lmao
Stupid idiot kid.
For once in the history of my dealings with Blizzard I think they were spot on. They did exactly what they should have done and they should keep pushing every charge against the little punk to teach all the little punks out there who want to pull this kind of trash exactly what will happen to them if they are caught doing something like this.
To everyone debating their positions on suicide on this post.
I believe its the hardest thing anyone would have to do in their life....and so did Japanese Samurai.
In fact they considered it an Honorable Death, hence why there was so many Japanese volunteering for Kamakaze Missions. Japan has the worlds highest Suicide rate even today, and its simply because they do not look upon suicide the same way everyone else does.
This isn't saying suicide is ok. Im just pointing out that nobody has ever returned from death and painted a clear picture of what they saw......if you believe in afterlife to begin with...
Pointless why I should be saying anything, but i think people are ignorant and too prone to organized religion brainwashing.
Jmwiens,
As a former corrections officer in the local county/city jail system of my area, I can tell you they did the correct thing here. It is a misdemeanor to commit suicide...sounds dumb, but that's the law. What happens is that when an inmate is brought into the intake of the local jail, he/she is placed immediately on suicide watch and the local psychiatric ward is contacted. The inmate is removed of all clothing/items to prevent themselves from being able to hurt themselves and placed in solitary until a representative from the nearest psychiatric ward has a chance to interview/evaluate them. The inmate is then either admitted to the psychiatric ward or allowed to bond out/remain in jail. It's a process that allows the victim protection, solitary confinement, and the chance to get help (if needed). There's small percentage that *actually* need help. Most are punk kids that want attention/drugs, but a few are in serious need of help and this is the only way that they could get it. I just thought that I'd clear up the process that's involved. I had no idea how it worked either until I was responsible for more than one case, personally.
Peace.
Sounds like you were someone that was banned. Blizzard GM's are people, bud. The guy that called 911 made the correct call. Who's to say that he wasn't concerned for this young person? No one knows. By the way, if you're hoping for WoW to fail, and that right soon, I'm afraid you're in for a long wait. 11 million subscribers will guarantee this mmo life-giving breath for sometime. I'm currently not playing WoW, but I can see why it's successful.
It never ceases to amaze me that people blame Blizzard for *everything* once their account gets banned. Blizzard doesn't ban accounts for no reason. But, it's their right if they did. It's their game. I played from 2006 to 2008 and never once ever worried about my account getting banned. But, a friend of mine who can be very abrasive, made some *colorful* remarks to GM's (not the smartest action to take), which almost ended his playing there. He had his account banned for short periods of time (weekend here and there), until they threatened to ban it permanently. However, it has yet to be banned. This has happened not to long ago, so Blizzard is showing pretty good restraint here.
But, you have a right to your opinion. Some of your *facts* may be wrong, such as WoW the *only* thing Blizzard has going for them (Diablo 3, Starcraft 2 anyone?), but you have a right to not like Blizzard.
Peace.
I had an uncle commit suicide, we weren't particularly close, but we did share a roof.
Now that that's out of the way, while I don't view it with quite as harsh an opinion as others, I do firmly believe that those who would (or do) commit suicide deserve no sympathy, no special treatment. If they are willing to selfishly give up and leave those that love them behind to pick up the pieces and trudge on with that added emptiness, then they deserve the death they have bestowed upon themselves and should be thrown out with yesterday's trash.
I find that I'm still angry with my uncle 8 years after the fact. He left a family behind who almost lost everything because they were thrust into a financial pitfall.
Let the weak fade, and pray they don't drag the innocent down with them.
So, the aforementioned girl that's been abused her entire life is weak? I think your response is weak, friend. You may think that your uncle was selfish, and he very well may have been. But, you may change your mind after a few years are behind you. Then again, you may not. It's different for everyone.
Thank goodness for caring people in this world, because *ANYONE* can be pushed over the edge... anyone. All it takes is constant pressure. Nobody withstands constant pressure...nobody. EVERYONE has a breaking point. Some just withstand better than others.
Peace.
I know 2 people that commited suicide that were heavy WoW players. They didn't wanna work. They became anti-social. They didn't want to do anything except sleep, eat and play WoW. It's really quite sad and what is more sad is how many people don't even care...
I don't see why people find it neccessary to 'outlaw' suicide. If someone sincerely hates their life and wants to kill themselves, I say let them do it! If it's that bad, keeping them in the world is only hurting them. Now, obviously this kid is a tool because all he wanted was an item, but he shouldn't have been arrested. Just tell the parents and have them deal with it. Authorities are not god figures, and law shouldn't have an impact on whether a person wants to live or die.
I just want to point this out for anyone who is saying that the authorities shouldn't have been involved or anything similar to that. Here's something to think about. If you truly want to kill yourself because life is so bad then why would you call someone to tell them your going to do it unless 1. Your just looking for attention or 2. Your crying out for help. If its one then I still stand by what I said earlier they should lock you up and teach you just how much you don't want attention for something like this. If its two then they should still lock you up and put you on 24 hr watch until they can get you the help you really need. If someone wants to really kill themself because they truely believe death is better than the life they are living they're not going to call someone and tell them what they are about to do. They just do it. I answered these types of calls for four years and got the calls from both when people said they wanted to commit suicide and the ones from people that had found someone that had actually done it. Every one of them that called to say they were going to do never did it. It was always the quiet ones. I'm speaking from actual experience with this. Not just what I think happens based on absolute trash i've seen on tv or what i can pull out of my rear like half the people i've seen on here post have obviously done. Understand if your speaking from experience I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about all the ones who just throw their opinions out there without researching the subject at all or don't have any kind of life experience to base their's on.
that's just what we call children. similar things happen almost everywhere and everytime.
children always cry or quarrel for the purpose to get sth they want from their parents.
hope that only apply to the unmature children
Indeed. Suicide is the easy way out of problems. Got no sympathy for them either, unless mental illness is a catalyst.
There was this dude I met a few times many years back. Didn't know him personally but he seemed like an ok guy. Friend of a friend sort of fellow. He was seperated from his wife and had been so for a very long time, some 5-10 years or so. They had 3 children together, all boys. One day he suddenly decided to put a shotgun under his chin and pull the trigger, leaving his children without a father and with alot of unanswered questions. His friends called him a coward for doing it. They never told me what they suspected triggered it, and I don't care nor want to know. Nothing, I repeat nothing in life is so hard you can't find a way out of it. His act was an act of selfishness as he left those boys in the dark, his ex without support for the children and his friends with repulsiveness for what he did.
So yeah, got no sympathy for suicide. They need help though, but if they decide against it, good riddance. You just got to hope they don't drag too many people with them down the shithole they decided to dig for themselfes.
the matter should be taken seriously. if one accept others requirements under such condition, it won't help anyone in the fact.
if there's someone talking to me in this way, i must regard it as a joke
it's really a terrible thing. nobody could assure whether the matter is a joke or not.
if we didn't take it seriouly, something unfortunate will happen
is it just a joke? God, what should i say? to criticize the nauthy boy or shocked by the charming WOW?