Network Sites: FPSguru.com RTSguru.com UnboundGamer.com
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Games:565  Guilds:2,958
Members:1,440,177  Online:0
Guests:0  Posts:4,567,402
NetGame | Official Site
MMORPG | Genre:Fantasy | Status:Final  (rel 02/02/07)  | Pub:MGame USA
PVP:Yes | Distribution:Download | Retail Price:n/a | Pay Type:Free | Monthly Fee:n/a
Desktop Client | System Req: PC 

Scions of Fate (Yulgang) Review: Scions of Fate Review - Edit

Adele Caelia pens this critical review of Netgame USA's Scions of Fate.
Final Score

5.1
Poor

Graphics
7
Role-Playing
1
Fun
5
Performance
10
Sound
5
Value
8
Community
1
Service
4

Scions of Fate: Review

Adele Caelia pens this critical review of Mgame USA's Scions of Fate.

Scions of Fate, the game formerly known as Yulgang: Balance of Power is one of the most played games in Asia. It has won many awards and was recognized as the best MMORPG of the year in Korea. Hoping to reach a broader audience and the same success Mgame recently released a U.S. version.

Oh so cute!

As I browsed through screenshots while waiting for the game to download I felt the little girl in me squeal with glee. The graphics weren't revolutionary but they were cute and the characters could even be called adorable. The graphics have the cartoony anime look of most Asian games, and there are tons of color options for hair and also some really cute outfits. I was a bit disappointed to see that many of the character creation options are not yet available, but that looks like it will soon change. The only options at this point are the four classes of swordsman, spearman, bowmen, and healer. The graphics are decent enough for a game that is free to play and free to download.

What do you mean I'm a man?

Apparently, in Scions of Fate, you are not allowed to play a character of the opposite sex. When players fill out their account information and specify whether they are male or female, that is the sex they get to play in game. My account was set up for me by someone over at Netgame, and an assumption was made that I was male and so was stuck playing one as well. I for one do not care to run around as a man, and I missed out on all the really cutesy girl-clothing, hairstyles, and did I mention clothing!!! This took a huge chunk of fun out of the game for me, but I sucked it up and continued on as a man.

Speaking of fun...

I tried really hard to find something fun in this game, but it was near impossible. In this game you can only move by clicking and there are no options to change this. The click to move wouldn't have been that huge of a problem, but if you log out in town, when you log back in you will probably be surrounded by the mobs of people that crowd all over the city in sell mode. With so many people surrounding me often it would take me ten minutes or so to find a spot to click so that I could move!

The targeting isn't any better. There is no way to tab to a target. To target a mob, I had to click exactly in its center. To attack the mob, I had the option of right clicking on my attack button, or double clicking exactly on the center. This became very frustrating especially with the hordes of other players trying to take every mob in sight regardless of the fact that someone else is already fighting it! This would be due to the fact that the game is the biggest grind fest I have ever encountered. Oh and by the way there are only a handful of quests. They are few and far between and the conversion to English doesn't always come across right so don't expect too much from that end.

The game does sport a premium shop, and if players are willing to fork out some dough, this in itself could be fun. The premium shop is an online store for players where they can purchase anything from hair dye, pets, and clothing, to food, and buffs. To give an idea of the price of items in this shop $1.00 equals 1000 ncash, which is what players use to make purchases. I bought some hair dye for 5000 ncash and a pet leopard for 15,000 ncash, so $5.00 for a bottle of hair dye and $15.00 for a pet. This is where the company makes it's money, and while people spend money on some pretty strange items, I have a hard time seeing Americans handing over this kind of cash for these items, especially when they can play another mmo for $15.00 a month and get these items for free.

Such a catchy little tune!

The character creation music will be about the most enjoyable aspect of this game. I actually caught myself dancing to it, and each time I log in it brings a smile to my face. Sadly the in game music is nowhere near as catchy as what plays in the beginning. The music that plays once you're in the world is so annoying that I turned the music all the way down. There are also a few emotes with a couple cute sounds like the laughs, but that is about it.

Why can't we all just get along?

The community in this game has to be the worst community in any game that I have ever played. I am not even joking a little on this! Not once while playing this game did anyone ever answer a question or reply to anything I said. This can mostly be attributed to the fact that although it is the U.S. version, it is rare to find anyone who can speak English. Gold sellers flood the chat channels and no one even cares!

Remember that targeting problem I mentioned earlier? Well it is the same with dropped items. If a mob drops loot a player has to double click exactly in the center or it cannot be picked up. The problems appear when something rare drops like a gem, and every player around runs over to quickly stand on top of it. Why do they do this? It is quite simple really. The dropped loot has a timer on it. If you do not pick it up in x amount of time it is open for anyone to pick up. If someone else stands on top of this item the player it actually belongs to cannot pick it up because another player is blocking its center. The first person that stood on it can usually still pick it up for some odd reason. At one point I had 15 players on top of my drop! I asked politely that they move and let them know that it was my drop, but no one responds.

This isn't only a problem with the loot. It also happens with npcs. Players who are selling will crowd around an npc so that it is impossible to click on the npc. When a player tries to click on the npc they click on one of the sellers instead thus opening up that sellers shop. The frustration with the community alone is enough to never touch this game.

Role what?

There is no role-playing at all that I could find in this game.

Nothing Gonna Hold Me Down...

In this game nothing will hold you down, or bog you down for that matter. The game is virtually lag free. I had no performance issues what so ever, and looking at the system requirements, it looks like almost any system could run this game without a problem. I have yet to play any game that is as free of lag as this one.

Hello! Is anybody home?

Or working for that matter. I submitted two customer service tickets (of course this was after I found the very tiny help option at the very top of the screen). One of those tickets was completed and it took two and a half weeks. I clicked on the check inquiry button on the page and where the CS rep should have left their response, it was blank... The second ticket has still not been answered. While I was in the game, I also heard one of the few English-speaking people ask how to get hold of customer service because they could not get a response. No one answered them either, at least not out loud. I sent them a whisper. Add this to the multitudes of gold selling spam and customer service scores pretty low.

You get what you pay for

Overall, one has to keep in mind that this game is free to play and free to download. It is better than other free games of its type that I have played. The graphics aren't half bad, the game runs smoothly, and everything is pretty simple. Players that are into spending cash on in game items may find the premium shop to be a perk too. Everyone likes something different and to each his own. This is only my opinion, so go ahead and give it a try. It could be an mmo dream come true!

More Scions of Fate (Yulgang) Features:

Scions of Fate (Yulgang) - Scions of Fate Review Review added on Monday April 09
Scions of Fate (Yulgang) - Launch Day Interview Interview added on Wednesday February 07
Scions of Fate (Yulgang) - Exclusive Screens Media added on Wednesday February 07

More Features:

Star Wars: The Old Republic - With Friends Like These Column added on Tuesday February 07
One Jump Home - The Grind Column added on Tuesday February 07
Guild Wars 2 - Community Support Column added on Tuesday February 07
 
 
allaryin writes:
Your review makes it sound like you're not very familiar with the whole Korean click-to-move + micropayment sub-genre. They're all like that.

Scions of Fate is no better or worse than most. I rate it a 5 - below games like 9 Dragons and Hero Online... but above garbage like Deicide Online, RAN, and Conquer Online.

It's mostly just a case of how much actual content and writing the designers put into the game to supplement their flavour of grindfest. SoF looks just like any other Ragnarok Online clone with all of the content removed and a fresh (but low-budget) coat of paint slapped on.
New Post Quote
4/09/07 1:55:45 PM
 
Gameloading writes:
"This is where the company makes it's money, and while people spend money on some pretty strange items, I have a hard time seeing Americans handing over this kind of cash for these items, especially when they can play another mmo for $15.00 a month and get these items for free."

Come on, think for a moment. more and more companies start using this payment model, ofcourse they are profitable. if the 15$ a month tag would be more profitable, then companies would use that. this is simply the new norm among asian mmorpg's.


This review is better then Adele's last review in some points, and worse in some other points.

The good points are that she doesn't slam other games this time.
She doesn't make comments like "This is the best mmorpg out there" either. Although she obviously had a bad experience with the game, I'm glad she didn't make a "this is the worst mmorpg out there" comment.

Now for the bad points.

I read the review, and after reading it I still know close to nothing of the game at all (if it wasn't for the fact I played it).

For example, you mention there are very few quests, thats all fine and all, but what are those quests like? do they have a story involved in it? Do the quest show me the world?

And what about combat? Is there content for grouping? Is the game solo friendly? does it make use of instanced technology? Is there PVP? How about customization of characters, such as stats and skills? (other then the looks)

I have played the game myself, so I know the answers to this, but I can imagine someone who didn't play the game isn't going to find this review helpful.
New Post Quote
4/09/07 2:30:22 PM
 
Kyleran writes:
Originally posted by Gameloading
I have played the game myself, so I know the answers to this, but I can imagine someone who didn't play the game isn't going to find this review helpful.
So how about it? Fill in some of the holes you mentioned.  Truthfully, regardless of the answers there were enough negatives regarding the community and what not to make me not try the game.

New Post Quote
4/09/07 2:46:30 PM
 
Robbgobb writes:

I agree about reading about the community. I am so glad I have not tried this and I will not. I am going to stay away from this game.

New Post Quote
4/09/07 2:59:40 PM
 
eburn writes:
What's bad about Scions? Well it is a Korean grind point to click uber cute MMO with some oddness.
What's good about it? It's free and if you got a couple of pals you like to just smash and chat with, totally worth being free. LoL
This review has one error in it. You cannot tab to target anything in the game, which I hope they change. But once you click on something a mob or loot or an NPC for that matter. A middle mouse click will attack, pick up, or talk to the person. Double clicking right on the center is false and makes it sound worse than it really is.
Would I suggest this game for the masses? Not at all. But if you're playing a game that's down a lot or waiting on a MMO (like Age of Conan? HMM?) Got some pals doing the same, give it a go.
Also on World 2 I've ran into some of the community issues, but I have also seen the complete opposite. Like all MMOs, it's filled with kids, ****faces, and inconsiderate fools. It's pretty easy to look over, just go to your local Wal-Mart. Same deal.
New Post Quote
4/09/07 4:11:18 PM
 
Fireburst writes:
I think Adele has got this game pretty much nailed. I gave it a try for a couple of days and got fed up with it's community pretty fast.
New Post Quote
4/09/07 7:19:36 PM
 
Ackbar writes:
Garrett Fuller take notes from this review. Its actually good. Could the person who reviewed Scions of Fate (I missed your name) please get Garretts Dreamlords account and do a real review of that game?

Thanks.
New Post Quote
4/10/07 2:48:57 AM
 
Midaveg writes:
Free to Play MMO, Scions of Fate is AAA to that but compare to general MMO industry, its crap and for casual fun. The community is extremely polluted with LOL spammers and emotes spammers too. 100% agreed on some points in the review.
New Post Quote
4/10/07 3:29:08 AM
 
Citron writes:

I downloaded and tried this game myself. It sucked as bad as all other Asian mmorpg's. I just don't understand what those people are thinking over there... wait... "MUST FARM GOLD".

New Post Quote
4/10/07 6:43:23 AM
 
infrared1 writes:
I agree with the review. Scions of fate is not a game for the light-hearted. 0 community and its just a grind-fest. I have tried a few of these Korean MMO's.  The only one i've found to have a community is Flyff. Mayby you could do a review on Flyff. I'd be interested to see what you think.
New Post Quote
4/10/07 8:11:22 AM
 
Goddyfather writes:
Tryed this and i must agree heavily on that review, dont touch this game.
New Post Quote
4/10/07 8:15:02 AM
 
abistar writes:
I agree too, garbage.
New Post Quote
4/10/07 9:27:41 AM
 
Coldmeat writes:

While I agree, it's crap, even for a F2P ported Asian game, there were two things from the review that I disagreed with.

1) Targeting. I never had any issues with double clicking the mobs. Sometimes, if the mob was moving, I'd just follow it, without attacking, until it stopped moving, but never had to click the exact center of the mob.

2) When I played as a Spear user, I was stuck with a male character, and when I tried a Bow user, I was stuck with a female character. Or at least I believe it was female. Hard to tell sometimes, but it didn't have the spike male hair the Spear and Swords users did.

New Post Quote
4/10/07 11:35:53 AM
 
Dathmar writes:
I personally agree with the targeting issue.
Also the mobs have no "Con" window as far as I can see - so you don't know if you have selected the correct mob or not.

Also the issue of players crowding the NPCs is something I noticed.
I have tried a few free to play games and I find it amazing the extremes some players go to trick other players out of in-game cash. ...and as its F2P - I assume there isn't too much GM support to stop them.
New Post Quote
4/10/07 11:49:13 AM
 
Dathmar writes:
Originally posted by Ackbar
Garrett Fuller take notes from this review. Its actually good. Could the person who reviewed Scions of Fate (I missed your name) please get Garretts Dreamlords account and do a real review of that game?

Thanks.

Lol - I just read that Dreamlords review - I have to agree
New Post Quote
4/10/07 11:52:38 AM
 
Dienekes writes:
Originally posted by infrared1
I agree with the review. Scions of fate is not a game for the light-hearted. 0 community and its just a grind-fest. I have tried a few of these Korean MMO's.  The only one i've found to have a community is Flyff. Mayby you could do a review on Flyff. I'd be interested to see what you think.

I agree with what he said above, Flyff is the only free to play Korean MMO that is actually fun to play and has a community.  I'd definitely be insterested in a Flyff review.
New Post Quote
4/10/07 12:49:19 PM
 
Arioc writes:

At what point did it become the hotness to review the review and it's reviewer? I've been seeing alot of that on this site and almost never on other sites. (Or maybe I just don't look hard enough). Is this a common thing now?

New Post Quote
4/10/07 1:15:19 PM
 
Leary writes:
She was spot on about a ton of things!

First being the community: worst damn community ever! No one hardly says a word, and when they do, it is usually in another language. Even when it is in English, it is usually just some rude comments akin to all free-to-play MMO's. Also, everyone crowding the NPC's that you need to talk to to do the FEW quests that you do have access to, is VERY annoying! As a matter of fact, as soon as you login, if you logged out in the city areas, you'll have to wait for a bit for the ridiculous amounts of people to load so you can find a small hole to click in to move. Doers anyone actually go out and play the game, or just stand around selling their crap?

The combat is annoying, too. You have to be pretty close to the mob to click on it to initiate the fight. This is, however, a minor quibble, and I can overlook it. As the reviewer said, however, people standing on top of your dropped gems is commonplace, and of the uttermost annoyance! Also, kill-stealing is the name of the game in this one. Good luck with that, though!


Moreover, enjoy the few combat skills you have, because it is going to be a looooooooooooooong grind until you get more skills open to you!

I disagree with her on the music issue, however. While repetitive, I did enjoy the different style of music in the game--it has smooth ambient overtones, akin to ambient techno which I so enjoy listening to.

The graphics are cartoony and anime-esque and get the job done. They are pleasant to look at and pretty good overall--especially if you turn up the contrast. I have no problems with the graphics in this game--so long as you aren't expecting something taxing on your card.

I play this game off and on when I just want a change of pace. Hell, it's free, so why not?! But as for a free Korean MMO that has it all in spades--and even rivals and surpasses many pay-to-play MMOs--look no further than Rappelz.
New Post Quote
4/10/07 1:28:31 PM
 
Ciredric writes:

I have to agree with the reviewer, it is extremely typical of the korean MMO's. 

the 2nd time they piled on my loot when something nice dropped I left the game, lol.  What nonsense.  From now on any click and move will be completely avoided by me.

The game reminds me alot of Last Chaos, except at least Last Chaos has somewhat of a community and has better customer service. 

I echo the thought that Garret needs to take a review lesson from you.

Gameloading if you want all those details, why not add them yourself instead of whining about it!

New Post Quote
4/10/07 1:57:11 PM
 
NewbKing writes:
And I was about to try this game. Now once I read this review, I'm not even going to touch this game anymore. Thanks for saving me some time.
New Post Quote
4/10/07 2:41:57 PM
 
Suplyndmnd writes:
I agree with the review as a whole in that this game is utter garbage but I never had too much problems with the targeting issue.  Also, there is a keyboard shortcut that will make you move to, and pick up any item near you which would be your drop.  Therefore, no need to click.  Also, there is a keyboard shortcut for attacking.

Still, you nail everything else as far as the community is concerned and frankly, that's what makes MMORPG's.  Or in this case, breaks them.  The game was fun for about 5 hours and then I got rid of it.  If you like nothing but grind, get this game.  If you actually require a storyline or quests or skills or a community, pass.
New Post Quote
4/10/07 3:09:02 PM
 
infrared1 writes:
Originally posted by Arioc

At what point did it become the hotness to review the review and it's reviewer? I've been seeing alot of that on this site and almost never on other sites. (Or maybe I just don't look hard enough). Is this a common thing now?

I think its important for all with experience on certain game to chime in. It helps people who may be considering to play a game, a chance to see what the review says and how the community reacts to it. I personally use this site and appreciate everyones input. It helps me decide whether to try it or not. One persons POV does not make it true or correct for that matter. I don't believe anyone here is reviewing the reviewer. Just their agreement or disagreement with the review itself. Some people may like the game and want to chime in with their POV. So let it go. The info here may save your life someday. lol. Try the game and give us your feedback. WE would appreciate it.
New Post Quote
4/10/07 6:25:59 PM
 
infrared1 writes:
Originally posted by NewbKing
And I was about to try this game. Now once I rad this review, I'm not even going to touch this game anymore. Thanks for saving me some time.
SEE!!!!!
New Post Quote
4/10/07 6:27:25 PM
 
Gameloading writes:
Originally posted by Ciredric

I have to agree with the reviewer, it is extremely typical of the korean MMO's. 

the 2nd time they piled on my loot when something nice dropped I left the game, lol.  What nonsense.  From now on any click and move will be completely avoided by me.

The game reminds me alot of Last Chaos, except at least Last Chaos has somewhat of a community and has better customer service. 

I echo the thought that Garret needs to take a review lesson from you.

Gameloading if you want all those details, why not add them yourself instead of whining about it!

Sure, Pay me the salary of the reviewer and I'll add them. I mean, really, who is the reviewer here? Me or Adele? Why should I have to make up for the reviewers lack of information?

But seriously, if you insist, I can write a SoF review. I'm currently working on a review of 9Dragons. If you want, I'll write a SoF review after that.
New Post Quote
4/11/07 1:11:35 AM
 
LittleImp writes:

I have no idea how asian people can play this game longer than 30mins without dying of pure dumbness.

This game is really bad.

Don't play it!

New Post Quote
4/11/07 1:45:17 AM
 
doc2552 writes:
Worst MMO i have ever played. Spot on review not worth the disk space, stay away from this game
New Post Quote
4/11/07 3:54:32 AM
 
Vodun writes:

This review tells me what I need to know if I have not played the game. It is pointless to review the reviewer, just read what Adele has to say and take out of it what you can. If you have already played the game this review is meaningless to you, only if you purposely want to pick apart the reviewer.

I see a hidden agenda in play here, why less would someone take their time to post a review of the review.

 

New Post Quote
4/11/07 6:51:21 AM
 
Gameloading writes:
Originally posted by Vodun

This review tells me what I need to know if I have not played the game. It is pointless to review the reviewer, just read what Adele has to say and take out of it what you can. If you have already played the game this review is meaningless to you, only if you purposely want to pick apart the reviewer.

I see a hidden agenda in play here, why less would someone take their time to post a review of the review.

 

Yes Vodun, your absolutely correct. Its a hidden agenda, a conspiracy!

..Either that, OR it could be that I actually want to give the reviewer advice so she might actually write a more informative review next time. The review might tell you enough of the game, But if I didn't know about this game, I would not be satisfied with this review. It doesn't even touch things like combat, grouping content, questing,Player vs player, or indepth character customization (Because I played the game, I happen to know that you have to pick your skills, you can't select all of them and max them out, something some people might actually find intresting to know). oh wait, she mentioned that there are few quests. we don't know if they are fun or the usual run of the mill quests, we don't know if they are rewarding, but at least we know there are few of them.

Here, I can fix this right here.


"There are not a lot of quests in the game.A good thing is the fact the game will notify you when you have a new quest avaible. The quests that are there are not really original. Most of the quests are "Go kill XX or go find XX" tasks. it is sometimes difficult to complete these quests as there are many players competing for the same monsters. The storyline behind the quests is not very intresting, there is no real reason for you to collect objects or killing enemies other then doing NPC's a favor. quests don't have a lasting effect on the world or enviroment. The rewards are usually not worth it, and give little XP compared to just grinding monsters.


I apologize for the possible spelling and grammar errors.

According to Adele, it is not really important for me to know how the game actually plays, but what I do need to know is that she had a bad experience with the community, something that is next to impossible to judge as everyone's experience with the community is diffrent, since it depends on who you meet, what circumstances you meet people, your own behavior and even which server you play on.

Adele says more about roleplaying, something that isn't there, then she does about combat and grouping.

I mean come on, How am I supposed to get a good view of the game like this?
New Post Quote
4/11/07 7:46:24 AM
 
drbaltazar writes:
hey people you got to remember what it is for !do you see the the cartoon look its meant for school kids might be of any age but prob for 11 and yonger .so of coarse you super dupper pro-gamer will be bored but if you got a kid that is 6 make her or him try it you will be surprised .but i agrre too mutch grind .for gamer and i mean gamer,did i say gamer? will be more in tune with silkroad .for the pro-gamer sorry cant help you .cause whatever happen youre never happy .and i am talking free online game.got money oo guild-wars .maybe WOW if you havent beaten it too many time.
New Post Quote
4/11/07 9:13:45 AM
 
Gameloading writes:
Originally posted by Citron

Gameloading I think you need a big cup of STFU.

First off this is just a review of some shitty game. Secondly you suck as a reviewer and a writer. I went to your blog, it sucks, that is another reason no one actually "HIRES" you as a game reviewer. You need to stop being so Jealous of the reviewers for this site and get a life.

-Citron

Or maybe its because I never actually applied to any reviewer positions? I know my reviews aren't very well written, Maybe thats why I don't apply for reviewing positions? The reviews I do make are for the people that are intrested in my opinion of the games. Let me assure you that I'm not jealous of the reviewers on this website (why would I?), and my life is just fine, thank you.

if you don't have anything constructive to say, then please stay quiet.

Please get some manners before you post again. I'm tired of this 12 year old mentality.
New Post Quote
4/11/07 10:12:41 AM
 
Gameloading writes:
Unlike you, I actually backed up my posts with reason and explained my reasons in detail. the only thing I see you doing is insulting me for commenting on the review.

if I was a troll, I would write short posts that insult people for no reason.

Hey look at that, Both of your posts are short and both times you have insulted me, I wonder what  that means?

On sidenote, you can stop spamming my blog now, you have shown your maturity level by now.

Now, do you have any other insults to throw at me, or can we get back on topic?
New Post Quote
4/11/07 10:23:16 AM
 
Gameloading writes:
Originally posted by Citron

I don't have any reason to throw insults at you, you are who you are.

I'm just tired of you putting down the writers on this site like your some golden boy journalist. And no I won't write a paragraph at a time "quoting" everything you say, unlike yourself I have a job and life and cannot post thousands of posts here that are pages each in length.  People who need to go to that much trouble are trying to prove something, and in a way its very sad.

 

What exactly are you trying to prove? If your tired of my posts making complaints about the reviews, then don't read my posts.
and why do you keep making weird assumptions that I don't have a job and life? I'm satisfied with my life, and I have a job for 38 hours a week. I'm not trying to prove anything, I merely put some time in my posts so that they actually have some content.

If you have no reason to insult me, then stop it.
New Post Quote
4/11/07 10:39:38 AM
 
Sandcastle writes:
Yulgang and Flyff is pretty much brother and sister in the cute, child-proportioned cartoonish MMORPG family. Due to the nature of the these standard Korean designs, there's just nothing much different that can be expected from either. It's sad to hear the community sucks in the English version of this, because Flyff did enjoy a good community for a pretty long while (until they changed their GM, just check their forums).

It's not mentioned, but despite the chibi-ness Yulgang does have some pretty decent armour designs. :o
New Post Quote
4/11/07 4:21:57 PM
 
Iainator writes:

I'll have to agree with the review on this one.

After playing Wow, Eve and CoH/CoV, I wanted a break till WAR. I thought back to a few other Asain MMOs i'd played, and for F2P, they wern't bad. Scions of Fate though, its bad.

Dont copy this floppy, if you're bored, go try puzzle pirates, or some Free trials.

EDIT - Btw, Great review.

New Post Quote
4/12/07 7:14:56 AM
 
Airspell writes:
Nice to know this site can give honest reviews to games from thousands of miles away at least :)  This game is more shallow than an average asian mmorpg, and that's saying alot.
New Post Quote
4/12/07 12:04:09 PM
 
Darkz0r writes:
Indeed, the game sucks beyond redemption.
I played it for a couple of days and couldn't stand it.

As long as the review makes everyone stay away from it I couldn't care less. =P
New Post Quote
4/12/07 3:56:06 PM
 
nakuma writes:
i played FLyFF and it wasnt half bad i kinda enjoyed it for about 20 levels til i reformatted my HD. but SoF is ,....wow, it is beyond words what this reviewer stated. I am avoding that game like a damn plague.
New Post Quote
4/12/07 11:00:22 PM
 
Ichmen writes:

i dont feel like reading all 5 pages so ill just post this thought/question. hopefully its not already be answered.. ill think about reviewing the other pages later.

 

but is the host company a NA/Euro company? or is it an asian company hosting it for inter/na players?

the reason is, unlike NA/Euro companies Who accually demand their GM staff accually work. asian companys have ZERO staff. they will host 5 servers and only hire 2 gms for 24hrs on all servers. *look at conqueronline... no gms at all*

when it comes to item mall stuff and customization. was there much free contect or was it all locked to the item mall for too costly to be of use prices?

again asian hosting companies milk people on their item mall stuff. they say you can buy 5 items for 1USD but turn around and make it that for 1hr you have to use all 5 items ( look at PKO for fairy food. super cheap but they use up about 50 pots out of 100 per day.or half a day which makes it costly)

 

i looked at this game for something to try before WaR goes live but now im glad i didnt want to :/ reminds me too much of CO and Rose online :/  rose is a great game just wish they didnt charge such lame prices per month for it...

New Post Quote
4/14/07 9:24:50 PM
 
Darq writes:
People review the reviews here because they seem to all suck. Most of the time the reviewer doesn't have a clue how to play, doesn't have any experience at all with the type of game they are reviewing, and they give ridiculous scores because of it.

With so many people surrounding me often it would take me ten minutes or so to find a spot to click so that I could move!

BS. You can easily move out of a crowd by clicking off in the distance.

To attack the mob, I had the option of right clicking on my attack button, or double clicking exactly on the center.

There is a reason you have that bar with numbers on it on your screen. It's called a hotbar, and I'd love to know where you've been hiding all these years if you don't know how to use it. You also have the option of clicking your mouse wheel. There's a phrase that fits rather well here, RTFM.

http://fate.netgame.com/guide/to_pl_ep_10.php

At one point I had 15 players on top of my drop! I asked politely that they move and let them know that it was my drop, but no one responds.

This actually made me laugh. See above, you can loot any item in the area by clicking the mouse wheel, or using the "pick up" action which can be placed on your hotbar. The reason they are standing on top of it is because the loot action makes you walk to the item, they are indeed trying to steal it, but there's absolutely nothing stopping you from picking it up. Well, other than simply not having a clue how to play.

Oh and by the way there are only a handful of quests.

Unless you mean to redefine the word "handful" that statement is false. There are quests almost every level, and they are very rewarding. It's hard to miss them since the game tells you when you can get a new one.

This is where the company makes it's money, and while people spend money on some pretty strange items, I have a hard time seeing Americans handing over this kind of cash for these items, especially when they can play another mmo for $15.00 a month and get these items for free.

That's because you have no idea what you are talking about. Most people will not buy anything from the shops, but then there are people that will spend several hundred dollars. This system has proven very effective and is the reason the vast majority of games use these shops these days.

There is no role-playing at all that I could find in this game.

I'd like you to "find" roleplaying in any game without a dedicated RP server. You wont, because it's done entirely in private chat. There are plenty of options to RP in this game. You know, if you didn't skip all the quests. Did you even read the background story on the website?

The community is indeed awful, the game doesn't deserve a 1 for that though. Any reviewer that gives a game a 1 in anything should not be reviewing games. I had no problem finding nice people to play with when I played this game. Just because a lot of people don't talk or speak English doesn't mean everyone in the game is horrible.

I'd like to request this review be deleted and redone by somebody competent. Preferably somebody that has played a MMORPG before. The game is far from fantastic, but it is above average for the type of game it is. It doesn't deserve the kind of abuse given to it by somebody who can't even read basic instructions, ones that are easy to find and well written. I'm sorry if this was harsh, but I'm really getting tired of reviews like this.
New Post Quote
4/14/07 11:16:26 PM
 
Ichmen writes:

i agree with Darq on the review, though i personally havent played the game. the review did kind of set me off from playing.

too many mmos today have really bad communities which make games unenjoyable. if i wanted a craptacular community i would download CS:S and play with hackers and automatic snipers...

from my experiance NO game on this planet past or presant should ever get a 0 or a 10. if the ranking is 0-10. there is no such thing as a perfect game nor is there such a thing as a game so bad it shouldnt have been made.

i really dislike MMORPG's reviews most are bia's i think they should stop playing WoW and US made games and accually play MMOs from other countries. maybe then they will beable to give an unbias view of a game instead of rating it like they would if it was 100% yankie

New Post Quote
4/14/07 11:22:28 PM
 
kumar7685 writes:
Scions Of Fate

Well, as i was playing this game i noticed something...
about 97.5% of the time your doing quests.
there is absolutely NOTHING else you can do besides quests.
When your done with the quests from a certain area...
you go to another area to do MORE quest.
This part of the game became very boring and since this was
97.5% of the game, it made the entire game boring to play.
When you start to notice this, the only thing your thinking is
"What is the point of this?"

I would recommend this game for softcore mmo gamers.
New Post Quote
4/15/07 11:16:36 AM
 
DIMADMAN writes:
it's nice to see that she mentioned the lack of CS in mgame/netgame mmo's. 2 weeks + to get a 1:1 customer server reply taken care of for someone they knew was reviewing the game? Lol, that's just horrible. 2 weeks + to get a reply in a game that probably has less than 1k people playing it. Well, I guess it beats the other mgame masterpeice Legend of Ares. Only 100-150 players left in that game, and it can take months to get a customer service reply back. For people even contemplating this game, just run away. In fact, if you see MGame or Netgame attached to any F2P you are looking at, run away.
New Post Quote
4/16/07 8:18:42 AM
 
Darq writes:
Originally posted by DIMADMAN
it's nice to see that she mentioned the lack of CS in mgame/netgame mmo's. 2 weeks + to get a 1:1 customer server reply taken care of for someone they knew was reviewing the game? Lol, that's just horrible. 2 weeks + to get a reply in a game that probably has less than 1k people playing it. Well, I guess it beats the other mgame masterpeice Legend of Ares. Only 100-150 players left in that game, and it can take months to get a customer service reply back. For people even contemplating this game, just run away. In fact, if you see MGame or Netgame attached to any F2P you are looking at, run away.


Everything in that post is false. Ignore it. Just another troll. One of the problems with both of the games mentioned is that they are too crowded. 100-150 people? That's just a flat out lie. You'll see that many people in Ares just in the starter town, on each server. It's a horrible game, but it's free so it's swarming with people just like every other F2P game.

BTW I had had to contact CS twice while playing SoF, I got replies to both in under 24 hours. One was due to a player harassing me and they were promptly banned. This was using the websites 1:1 CS inquiry system, which I believe you are told to use. If you used some sort of in-game support, it's no doubt flooded due to the number of people playing. They probably have to ignore the ones that don't look like real issues. Like people complaining about others standing on their drops so they can't loot them.
New Post Quote
4/16/07 10:43:21 AM
 
Ciredric writes:

Had to laugh at this one comment from Darq: "BS. You can easily move out of a crowd by clicking off in the distance."

Shows me that A. he has never played the game and B. he has no clue what he is talking about.

Logging into any of these games is a huge task to get out of the main area, trying to click on something that can move you is like finding a needle in a haystack.

New Post Quote
4/16/07 11:01:27 AM
 
Darq writes:
Originally posted by Ciredric

Had to laugh at this one comment from Darq: "BS. You can easily move out of a crowd by clicking off in the distance."

Shows me that A. he has never played the game and B. he has no clue what he is talking about.

Logging into any of these games is a huge task to get out of the main area, trying to click on something that can move you is like finding a needle in a haystack.


Um, the distance at which you can select a target location to move to is far greater than the maximum distance the game will even load players onto your screen. You can click outside the city while you are standing in the middle of it and run out there.

Further, people are not so densely packed that you can't easily move around the city using closer clicks. Even in tightly packed areas there is usually a good 3-4 "tiles" between people.

So who doesn't know what they are talking about? Oh, right, you.
New Post Quote
4/17/07 12:43:42 AM
 
aadio writes:
Who cares, you're arguing about retarded little details.

As far as I know there is no sub-section for just korean grind fest mmo's. All these games being reviewed are compared and contrasted against today's standard in MMORPG. Taking that into account, this game cannot possibly hold a candle up to your WoW, your LoTR, hell even your Vanguard.

To say that it's a decent game for a korean import, or a f2p, means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. It's a crappy game with a gimmick that you can play for free. It deserves the score it got because it's a bad game. This becomes more and more clear when people that defend it use sentences like... "Well, it's a free game...".

If it was truely worth playing and truely worth getting a higher score you would be able to find more good points to it.
New Post Quote
4/17/07 9:59:21 AM
 
Ciredric writes:

Like I said Darq, you have not played this game to make a ridiculous statement like that.  I found most of your commentary to be rather weak.  Next time pick a subject you know something about. 

Click and move is about as primitive as the pull down windows menus and just about as annoying.   All these korean grind fests employ this method making them jokes as far as gameplay.

That is why they are free, no one in their right mind would pay money to play this kind of garbage. 

New Post Quote
4/17/07 11:42:51 AM
 
Gameloading writes:
Originally posted by Ciredric

Like I said Darq, you have not played this game to make a ridiculous statement like that.  I found most of your commentary to be rather weak.  Next time pick a subject you know something about. 

Click and move is about as primitive as the pull down windows menus and just about as annoying.   All these korean grind fests employ this method making them jokes as far as gameplay.

That is why they are free, no one in their right mind would pay money to play this kind of garbage. 

For your information, Lineage 1 and Lineage 2, two mmo's who have taken up spot 2 and 3 as the most played MMO's for many years have point & click.

More and more games switch over to a free to play item shop model. now lets stop and think for a moment. would they really do that if people wouldn't pay for items in the game? Ofcourse not. there are many people paying items.

I also don't see how Point & click is primetive. Apperently, Western Grindfest have the illusion that they are a first person shooter that involves twitch based gameplay, which is obvious not the case. WASD movement just makes things unnecesary complicated.
New Post Quote
4/17/07 12:03:51 PM
 
Cabe2323 writes:
Originally posted by Gameloading
Originally posted by Ciredric

Like I said Darq, you have not played this game to make a ridiculous statement like that.  I found most of your commentary to be rather weak.  Next time pick a subject you know something about. 

Click and move is about as primitive as the pull down windows menus and just about as annoying.   All these korean grind fests employ this method making them jokes as far as gameplay.

That is why they are free, no one in their right mind would pay money to play this kind of garbage. 

For your information, Lineage 1 and Lineage 2, two mmo's who have taken up spot 2 and 3 as the most played MMO's for many years have point & click.

More and more games switch over to a free to play item shop model. now lets stop and think for a moment. would they really do that if people wouldn't pay for items in the game? Ofcourse not. there are many people paying items.

I also don't see how Point & click is primetive. Apperently, Western Grindfest have the illusion that they are a first person shooter that involves twitch based gameplay, which is obvious not the case. WASD movement just makes things unnecesary complicated.


Point&click movement can never be as precise as WASD movement for the average player.  WASD actually makes it less complicated because your character moves exactly where you are telling him to go.  Point&Click will get your character to the point you clicked on, but pathing can create difficulties.  Pathing problems have been seen in most Point and click games from RTS to MMOs.  It is something that I have heard and read complaints about for as long as I have been playing PC games.  While WASD movement is actually a newer style of movement. 

 

Also, unless I am mistaken L2 added WASD movement because so many people were asking for it. 

New Post Quote
4/17/07 12:10:04 PM
 
Darq writes:
Originally posted by aadio
Who cares, you're arguing about retarded little details.

As far as I know there is no sub-section for just korean grind fest mmo's. All these games being reviewed are compared and contrasted against today's standard in MMORPG. Taking that into account, this game cannot possibly hold a candle up to your WoW, your LoTR, hell even your Vanguard.

To say that it's a decent game for a korean import, or a f2p, means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. It's a crappy game with a gimmick that you can play for free. It deserves the score it got because it's a bad game. This becomes more and more clear when people that defend it use sentences like... "Well, it's a free game...".

If it was truely worth playing and truely worth getting a higher score you would be able to find more good points to it.

Ok, the things is, it's not a "bad" game at all. You just don't like grinding. Many people do like grind fests, this is as much a subjective quality of the game as art style or whether it's heavily PvP or not. To compare a grind MMO to a non-grind MMO and say the grind game is bad because it's not like the other, is completely ludicrous. SF would be a very good game if it was localized and policed better.

Originally posted by Ciredric
Like I said Darq, you have not played this game to make a ridiculous statement like that.  I found most of your commentary to be rather weak.  Next time pick a subject you know something about.

Ok, you aren't even making any sort of point. I have the game installed, I logged on this morning and played for an hour. What is it that you think I'm wrong about? What ever it is, I assure you I am correct and you can check for yourself.

Get used to point and click, it's going to be around for a while. If you like destroying your wrists by holding down certain keys all the time and jamming others repeatedly, have fun. Point and click is infinitely easier, and the more preferred control system world-wide. WASD MMOs make up like 2% of the market, and they are almost entirely US/EU based.
New Post Quote
4/17/07 4:27:03 PM
 
aadio writes:
Originally posted by Darq
Originally posted by aadio
Who cares, you're arguing about retarded little details.

As far as I know there is no sub-section for just korean grind fest mmo's. All these games being reviewed are compared and contrasted against today's standard in MMORPG. Taking that into account, this game cannot possibly hold a candle up to your WoW, your LoTR, hell even your Vanguard.

To say that it's a decent game for a korean import, or a f2p, means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. It's a crappy game with a gimmick that you can play for free. It deserves the score it got because it's a bad game. This becomes more and more clear when people that defend it use sentences like... "Well, it's a free game...".

If it was truely worth playing and truely worth getting a higher score you would be able to find more good points to it.

Ok, the things is, it's not a "bad" game at all. You just don't like grinding. Many people do like grind fests, this is as much a subjective quality of the game as art style or whether it's heavily PvP or not. To compare a grind MMO to a non-grind MMO and say the grind game is bad because it's not like the other, is completely ludicrous. SF would be a very good game if it was localized and policed better.


You're the one making the distinction between gind MMO and non-grind MMO. I am saying that a review is a review based on the genre MMORPG only. There is no sub section just for korean grind games. You're using it as a cloak to protect SoF from scrutiny.

Is there anything innovative about SoF? Does it do anything different and better than other games?

No and no, right? It's just a game that helps pass the time if you've already played other games. It's not a bad game, but it's not a good game. A 5.1 is right where it should be, average at best. Poor if you put it up against most MMO's.

The reviewer may not have been very familiar with korean type games(most of them you cant pick gender, it picks it for you depending on class). But she does sound like she knows about MMORPG. The things I should know about this game she delivered. I got a good and solid picture of what the game was about.

New Post Quote
4/17/07 10:28:09 PM
 
Darq writes:
Originally posted by aadio
You're the one making the distinction between gind MMO and non-grind MMO. I am saying that a review is a review based on the genre MMORPG only. There is no sub section just for korean grind games. You're using it as a cloak to protect SoF from scrutiny.

So you would call EVE, Auto Assault and WoW all the same type of game? Give me a break. The MMORPG genre is even more vast than the normal RPG genre, which FYI is split into many sub-genres. You would not get the same person reviewing Oblivion and Disgaea 2 and making comparisons between them.

And considering Asian grind MMOs are the most popular by far, it could stand the reason they are the norm and everything else is doing things wrong. That doesn't make much sense now does it?

Originally posted by aadio
Is there anything innovative about SoF? Does it do anything different and better than other games?

No and no, right?

Wrong actually. There's a great PvP RvR element  based on light and dark players and classes, including castle sieges. There's a great item enchantment system. The ability for all players to use pets, and mount them. If you compared it directly to say Lineage 2, SF has everything L2 has and more. Oh wait, none of this was in the review was it? That's right, because it was a sucky review.

Originally posted by aadio
But she does sound like she knows about MMORPG. The things I should know about this game she delivered. I got a good and solid picture of what the game was about.

No she doesn't. She didn't even know how to use the hotbar. And no you didn't get a good picture of the game, you obviously think it's sub-par, where you can easily see the user review score is much higher. There's a good reason for that you know.
New Post Quote
4/18/07 11:23:20 AM
 
Gameloading writes:
Originally posted by Cabe2323
Originally posted by Gameloading
Originally posted by Ciredric

Like I said Darq, you have not played this game to make a ridiculous statement like that.  I found most of your commentary to be rather weak.  Next time pick a subject you know something about. 

Click and move is about as primitive as the pull down windows menus and just about as annoying.   All these korean grind fests employ this method making them jokes as far as gameplay.

That is why they are free, no one in their right mind would pay money to play this kind of garbage. 

For your information, Lineage 1 and Lineage 2, two mmo's who have taken up spot 2 and 3 as the most played MMO's for many years have point & click.

More and more games switch over to a free to play item shop model. now lets stop and think for a moment. would they really do that if people wouldn't pay for items in the game? Ofcourse not. there are many people paying items.

I also don't see how Point & click is primetive. Apperently, Western Grindfest have the illusion that they are a first person shooter that involves twitch based gameplay, which is obvious not the case. WASD movement just makes things unnecesary complicated.


Point&click movement can never be as precise as WASD movement for the average player.  WASD actually makes it less complicated because your character moves exactly where you are telling him to go.  Point&Click will get your character to the point you clicked on, but pathing can create difficulties.  Pathing problems have been seen in most Point and click games from RTS to MMOs.  It is something that I have heard and read complaints about for as long as I have been playing PC games.  While WASD movement is actually a newer style of movement. 

 

Also, unless I am mistaken L2 added WASD movement because so many people were asking for it. 

Pathing only creates difficulties in games that didn't implant it well. this can be fixed by simply taking it into consideration when designing the world or when working on the pathing itself. Take Ragnarok Online for example. Point & click was taken into consideration right from the start, and you will rarely get stuck behind anything in RO. Or Granado Espada, which has pathing how it should be. Your characters will automaticly walks along trees, stairs, walls, fences, without a problem. in fact, its impossible to get stuck behind anything in GE. You just have to click a few times more, which is still less of a hassle then pression 2 buttons just to turn right.

Ever wondered why so many people type team  blu g rght we ned ur helpwwwwwwwwwwwww in a raid or pvp focused area? there is your answer. it WASD movement

Lineage 2 indeed added WASD movement, But it was released many years after release, so obviously it wasn't that demanded. and the counter arguement to that is the fact that World of Warcraft also added Point & Click movement.

WASD isn't that new anymore, it was used in the first first person shooters. and has been around for years, even in the mmorpg genre.

I can understand the need for WASD in Twitch based gameplay, but many MMO's don't have twitch based gameplay. I don't see the point
New Post Quote
4/18/07 3:59:32 PM
 
Darq writes:
Originally posted by Gameloading
and the counter arguement to that is the fact that World of Warcraft also added Point & Click movement.

Actually, point and click movement has been in WoW since beta. So it wasn't really "added" it was an intended feature right from the start. There's very few games with WASD movement that don't have point and click movement as well. This is because they don't want to alienate so many people. You rarely see many point and click games adding WASD though.
New Post Quote
4/18/07 6:13:09 PM
 
Cabe2323 writes:

The other problem I have always had with Point and Click is the path that your characters will take isn't always the best possible way to get somewhere.  Which leads you to need to make many clicks for small distances at a time.  While I can precisely move my character using WASD movement exactly where I want to go. 

 

A Good example of this is the Game Asheron's Call.  In that game Point and click movement would of been impossible.  Trying to do the fire dungeon where you had to jump from platforms to platform and walk along small beams that you could fall off of and fall down to your death.  I enjoy things like this added into my games and you just can't do it with Point and Click. 

 

IMO Point and Click is good for RTS games.  Where I want to look down on my troops from a 3rd person "general" perspective.  MMO games should be played in FPS perspective or close to it like over the shoulder.  And in these views in my opinion point and click just doesn't work well.

New Post Quote
4/19/07 10:25:37 AM
 
Leave this field empty
Post Your Comment:
Our Rating
5.1
User Rating: 7.7
Popular Features:
General : The 2011 Players' Choice Awards Award added on Monday January 09
We picked our games of the year back in December, but now it's your turn.... Read More
Player Perspectives : Content Locusts Killed My MMO Column added on Friday January 27
It used to be that hitting the level cap in an MMO was something that... Read More
Star Wars: The Old Republic : Good Cop, Bad Cop – SWTOR General Article added on Monday January 30
There is no question that Star Wars: The Old Republic has stirred strong feelings on... Read More
Star Wars: The Old Republic : The Future of the Old Republic Interview added on Thursday January 12
Star Wars: The Old Republic has taken the MMO gaming world by storm over the... Read More
General : The 2011 Player’s Choice Winners Award added on Thursday January 19
A couple of weeks ago, we asked you, our valuable readers, to vote for those... Read More
Latest News:
Scions of Fate (Yulgang) : Review Reported on Apr 09, 2007
Adele Caelia pens this critical review of Netgame USA's Scions of Fate. Read More
Scions of Fate (Yulgang) : Exclusive Screenshots Reported on Feb 07, 2007
The good people over at Scions of Fate have provided us with five new exclusive... Read More
Scions of Fate (Yulgang) : Launch-Day Interview Reported on Feb 07, 2007
Garrett Fuller had a chance to ask a few questions of the Scions of Fate... Read More
Scions of Fate (Yulgang) : Final Release on February 7th Reported on Feb 05, 2007
Scions of Fate announces final release on February 7, 2007. Read More
Scions of Fate (Yulgang) : Beta Key Handout: Phase 3! Reported on Jan 29, 2007
MMORPG.com is proud to announce we have begun our 3rd beta key handout for Scions... Read More