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  rojoArcueid

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Joined: 8/13/09
Posts: 5434

"It is double pleasure to deceive the deceiver". - Niccolo Machiavelli

 
OP  7/29/13 1:33:44 PM#1

Hey guys.

So i was looking at this Article from mmoculture and i couldnt find info on mmorpg so i thought i would share it with you guys.

Black Gold Online, the upcoming mmorpg from Snail Games (makers of Wushu) has a really strange business model. No subscription, No cash shop and no limitations. However,  the good quality loot dropped from monsters is locked behind a pay wall. A dice roll is in place and if you are lucky you could get a small discount on the unlock payment for the loot. Otherwise you can only wear basic and less valuable gear which is not locked behind real money pay wall. It might sound like non restrictive but its actually bad, being locked out of every quality loot you could get to improve your character means you will always suck unless you pay money. That is pay to win right there. Whoever pays for loot unlock will always beat you.

 

I personally think this is pure garbage. This "new" model that, according to Snail Games, is intended to reduce the number of "useless drops" from mobs, which is a big fat lie.......it is obviously aimed towards wallets.

 

What are your thoughts?

 

http://www.mmoculture.com/2013/07/black-gold-online-interesting-business-model-announced/

My endgame begins with character creation and ends with a new mmorpg

  rojoArcueid

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Posts: 5434

"It is double pleasure to deceive the deceiver". - Niccolo Machiavelli

 
OP  7/29/13 2:50:24 PM#2
bump.

My endgame begins with character creation and ends with a new mmorpg

  Myrdynn

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Joined: 3/25/07
Posts: 1388

7/29/13 3:04:59 PM#3

lol, that is awful, snail games sucks already

 

  Destai

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Joined: 8/31/09
Posts: 487

7/29/13 3:07:57 PM#4
It would be beyond foolish to support this game. I hope it fails for such exploitation. 

Current MMOs: Wildstar, Guild Wars 2, the Secret World, World of Warcraft

Past Loves: Guild Wars, Lord of the Rings Online, Everquest

  GwapoJosh

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7/29/13 3:09:23 PM#5
Originally posted by Myrdynn

lol, that is awful, snail games sucks already

 

Snail games sucks balls and so does their Wushu.. One thing is for sure though, If you say something bad about Wushu, Bcbully will report you..

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  rojoArcueid

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OP  7/29/13 3:18:22 PM#6
Originally posted by GwapoJosh
Originally posted by Myrdynn

lol, that is awful, snail games sucks already

 

Snail games sucks balls and so does their Wushu.. One thing is for sure though, If you say something bad about Wushu, Bcbully will report you..

i actually really like Wushu. But im not playing anymore beucase 1) they dont sell permanent bags (you rent them and they expire). THats crap, if i have to constantly keep paying to keep my inventory at max size i prefer to pay a subscription for a higher quality game. and 2) There is something PvE related that is completely missing from Wushu and i just cant tell what is it. Probably just more PvE content overall.
Other than that i really like the game and i hope it gets better.

 

On the other hand, this new scam model for Black Gold is just beyond ridiculous.

My endgame begins with character creation and ends with a new mmorpg

  Tierless

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Joined: 7/01/08
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7/29/13 3:39:16 PM#7

Woa, that kind freaks me out.

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  Tuchaka

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Joined: 4/14/10
Posts: 458

7/29/13 3:44:21 PM#8
Ya I stopped playing AOW because of the way they run their cash shop, not because its a bad game. Looks like I won't be playing this game either, players need to avoid games like Black Desert or we are encouraging worse and worse cash shop policies.
  Myrdynn

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7/29/13 7:23:17 PM#9
Originally posted by Tuchaka
Ya I stopped playing AOW because of the way they run their cash shop, not because its a bad game. Looks like I won't be playing this game either, players need to avoid games like Black Desert or we are encouraging worse and worse cash shop policies.

this is Black Gold, dont confuse it with Black Desert

 

  Tuchaka

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7/29/13 7:27:00 PM#10
....which is exactly what i did.....dohhh
  Robokapp

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7/29/13 7:29:37 PM#11
Originally posted by rojo6934

 No subscription, No cash shop and no limitations. 

 

a pay wall.

I don't get it.

 

who built the wall. the f2p'ers, the b2p'ers or the p2p'ers ?

  Loktofeit

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7/29/13 7:30:14 PM#12
I think it's horrible, but that's just me. The market will decide whether it is viable or not.

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  Robokapp

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The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

7/29/13 7:35:38 PM#13

so it is born at last...

 

f2p-p2p hybrid = infinite trial.

b2p-p2p hybrid = tiered subscription plan. aka freemium.

f2p-b2p hybrid = this. no other known cases.

 

behold the birth of the last payment model possible.

 

 

 

  Smikis

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7/29/13 7:49:57 PM#14
thought this was about black desert, phew, who gives a damn about black gold, no model would save this game from being trash
  Loktofeit

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7/30/13 1:40:43 AM#15
Originally posted by Robokapp

f2p-b2p hybrid = this. no other known cases.

Guild Wars 2.

 

Other than World of Pirates, i don't know of any other MMO in existence that fits the B2P definition.

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  Robokapp

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7/30/13 3:45:49 AM#16
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Robokapp

f2p-b2p hybrid = this. no other known cases.

Guild Wars 2.

 

Other than World of Pirates, i don't know of any other MMO in existence that fits the B2P definition.

exactly what about GW2 is not pure b2p ?

 

there's no hybrid there, that's just classic b2p.

  Loktofeit

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7/30/13 7:20:39 AM#17
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Robokapp

f2p-b2p hybrid = this. no other known cases.

Guild Wars 2.

 

Other than World of Pirates, i don't know of any other MMO in existence that fits the B2P definition.

exactly what about GW2 is not pure b2p ?

 

there's no hybrid there, that's just classic b2p.

The cash shop. GW2 is no different than any other item mall MMO other than the box fee up front. Something MMO gamers don't seem to realize is that "buy to play" didn't exist until MMO gamers made it up. They basically handed a gold mine to devs because not only did they give the f2p devs a way to position against subscription without getting bombarded by F2P hate, but it saved them the nightmare of having to justify their front loaded box fee.

When GW2 came out and MMO gamers handed them this "business model" on a silver platter, there was a collective celebration across the industry. Since then you have seen Richard Garriott, Mark Jacobs, and several others start using the term.

Guild Wars 2 is an item mall game with a front loaded box fee.

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  jesteralways

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7/30/13 7:33:27 AM#18
Originally posted by rojo6934
Originally posted by GwapoJosh
Originally posted by Myrdynn

lol, that is awful, snail games sucks already

 

Snail games sucks balls and so does their Wushu.. One thing is for sure though, If you say something bad about Wushu, Bcbully will report you..

i actually really like Wushu. But im not playing anymore beucase 1) they dont sell permanent bags (you rent them and they expire). THats crap, if i have to constantly keep paying to keep my inventory at max size i prefer to pay a subscription for a higher quality game. and 2) There is something PvE related that is completely missing from Wushu and i just cant tell what is it. Probably just more PvE content overall.
Other than that i really like the game and i hope it gets better.

 

On the other hand, this new scam model for Black Gold is just beyond ridiculous.

So you don't mind paying 1$ in form of GOLD(AoW cash shop currency) to post a single message in trade or global chat? if an mmo locks communication behind paywall that is a big let down for me. and add expiring cash shop item with it. no matter how good the game is, that kind of payment model is horrible. 

i want a open world, no phasing, no instancing.i want meaningful owpvp.i want player driven economy.i want meaningful crafting.i want awesome exploration, a sense of thrill.i want ow housing with a meaningful effect on my entire gameplay experience, not just some instanced crap.i want all of these free of cost, i don't wanna pay you a cent, game devs can eat grass and continue developing game for me.
Seems like that is the current consensus of western mmo players.

  Biskop

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8/20/13 11:39:33 AM#19
Bizarre, but I'm not surprised at all. Snail Games have this habit of releasing good games that they ruin by stupid business models. AoW could have been a great game if it wasn't for Snail's inability to handle and promote the gem they had on their hands.

I haven't followed Black Gold so I can't comment on its quality but it looks decent enough. Too bad it will flop hard with this ridiculous payment model.
  LungingWolf

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8/27/13 8:29:13 PM#20
Originally posted by rojo6934

Hey guys.

So i was looking at this Article from mmoculture and i couldnt find info on mmorpg so i thought i would share it with you guys.

Black Gold Online, the upcoming mmorpg from Snail Games (makers of Wushu) has a really strange business model. No subscription, No cash shop and no limitations. However,  the good quality loot dropped from monsters is locked behind a pay wall. A dice roll is in place and if you are lucky you could get a small discount on the unlock payment for the loot. Otherwise you can only wear basic and less valuable gear which is not locked behind real money pay wall. It might sound like non restrictive but its actually bad, being locked out of every quality loot you could get to improve your character means you will always suck unless you pay money. That is pay to win right there. Whoever pays for loot unlock will always beat you.

 

I personally think this is pure garbage. This "new" model that, according to Snail Games, is intended to reduce the number of "useless drops" from mobs, which is a big fat lie.......it is obviously aimed towards wallets.

 

What are your thoughts?

 

http://www.mmoculture.com/2013/07/black-gold-online-interesting-business-model-announced/


I agree. I was interested in Black Gold Online. That is, until I started looking into their business model. Then, without hesitation, I stopped researching it and moved on.

Currently playing: Rift.
Waiting for: The Elder Scrolls Online (when it is F2P), Everquest: Next.

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