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Shroud of the Avatar Forum » General Discussion » SotA developers only discuss with the ones that pledged the most

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  Aragon100

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OP  10/12/13 7:16:58 PM#1

If you pledged alot then we discuss with you. If you're a supporter but didnt pledge that much then were not interested discussing the game with you.

That is just retarded.

Why should supporters be left out of the dicussions going on in the so called developer forum?

There are polls and feature discussions going on in this developer forum and letting more supporters in would give any thread more substance, legitimacy and more accurate feedback.

 

 

  Averros

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10/12/13 7:37:46 PM#2

Are you on a personal vendetta against SotA? Whom they choose to partake in the discussion of game design is entirely up to them, unless you are an investor. Crowd Source funding does not make you an investor.

Relax my friend, the game you seek will one day come around. Do not hold a grudge to a company for following their vision. If it is a good vision they will do well, if it is not, then they will fail. That is how business works. Ranting on a forum will never change the basic concepts of business, will never change how much a dev studio is going to listen, and really isn't going to make you feel any better.

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  Dauntis

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10/12/13 7:41:23 PM#3
We get it OP... you hate SotA, congratulations.

I would like to give an opinion on this post, but if I agree I will offend people who disagree. While if I disagree my comment will be seen as inflammatory. Either way I will get banned by this site full of the most delicate flowers in online gaming. Ban people for giving honest opinions... beautiful. Unfortunately I still like the articles.

  Aragon100

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OP  10/12/13 8:41:14 PM#4
Originally posted by Arrogant_Wormy

Are you on a personal vendetta against SotA? Whom they choose to partake in the discussion of game design is entirely up to them, unless you are an investor. Crowd Source funding does not make you an investor.

Relax my friend, the game you seek will one day come around. Do not hold a grudge to a company for following their vision. If it is a good vision they will do well, if it is not, then they will fail. That is how business works. Ranting on a forum will never change the basic concepts of business, will never change how much a dev studio is going to listen, and really isn't going to make you feel any better.

Yes it is up to them to exclude supporters from discussing their game and features with them, your right.

 

  Averros

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10/12/13 8:44:13 PM#5
Originally posted by Aragon100
Originally posted by Arrogant_Wormy

Are you on a personal vendetta against SotA? Whom they choose to partake in the discussion of game design is entirely up to them, unless you are an investor. Crowd Source funding does not make you an investor.

Relax my friend, the game you seek will one day come around. Do not hold a grudge to a company for following their vision. If it is a good vision they will do well, if it is not, then they will fail. That is how business works. Ranting on a forum will never change the basic concepts of business, will never change how much a dev studio is going to listen, and really isn't going to make you feel any better.

Yes it is up to them to exclude supporters from discussing their game and features with them, your right.

 

Please provide a link where they specifically said they will not discuss the game with supporters below a certain level.

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  TiamatRoar

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10/12/13 8:52:30 PM#6

Does the President and your local congressman personally discuss everything in detail with everyone who pays taxes or gave a donation to their campaign fund?

 

(hint: the answer is no.)

  Aragon100

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OP  10/12/13 9:23:10 PM#7
Originally posted by Arrogant_Wormy
Originally posted by Aragon100
Originally posted by Arrogant_Wormy

Are you on a personal vendetta against SotA? Whom they choose to partake in the discussion of game design is entirely up to them, unless you are an investor. Crowd Source funding does not make you an investor.

Relax my friend, the game you seek will one day come around. Do not hold a grudge to a company for following their vision. If it is a good vision they will do well, if it is not, then they will fail. That is how business works. Ranting on a forum will never change the basic concepts of business, will never change how much a dev studio is going to listen, and really isn't going to make you feel any better.

Yes it is up to them to exclude supporters from discussing their game and features with them, your right.

 

Please provide a link where they specifically said they will not discuss the game with supporters below a certain level.

Have you never visited SotA forums?

They discuss with high amount pledgers in a forum called the developer forums. Other supporters dont have access to that forum.

 

  Aragon100

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OP  10/12/13 9:25:45 PM#8
Originally posted by TiamatRoar

Does the President and your local congressman personally discuss everything in detail with everyone who pays taxes or gave a donation to their campaign fund?

 

(hint: the answer is no.)

Of course not but they dont exclude some citizens just cause they didnt pay enough donation/tax.

  lizardbones

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10/12/13 9:29:20 PM#9

Is there some sort of post or blog you could link to that supports your thread?

I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  Rottstein

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10/12/13 9:34:31 PM#10
Originally posted by Aragon100
Originally posted by TiamatRoar

Does the President and your local congressman personally discuss everything in detail with everyone who pays taxes or gave a donation to their campaign fund?

 

(hint: the answer is no.)

Of course not but they dont exclude some citizens just cause they didnt pay enough donation/tax.

Uhhh Yes they do.

  Hotcell

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10/12/13 9:37:09 PM#11

Post link(s) to developers saying that, or GTFO.

 

I'd be more worried if the devs discuss the game with every single supporters. They have a vision and that vision shouldn't be tarnished by the whining of 1000s people.

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  InsaneMembrane

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10/12/13 9:54:25 PM#12

To be fair, the devs have not excluded anyone. A few of them log into chat quite often to become question and answer targets and they do quite well. 

SotA devs post and interact with anyone on their forum, in chat, and especially during the google hangouts. 

It is true, that they have less interaction as a whole with the entire community than they do with the "Dev+" community which you had to KickStart pledge 400 dollars or more to get into. But that was the deal, this is how the crowd source game was always going to work.

You have to expect that though, unless you want them to take money out of the game and start throwing it into staff who do nothing but talk to you on the forum. That would be a waste of money.

I am all for calling shenanigans when I see them also, but I don't see them with the Dev's interaction level with the community as a whole just yet. Where I do see the shenanigans is with your personal fetish of attacking Shroud of the Avatar.

I tried to report your post, but it was already done for me. I've been banned several times for saying far less loaded and trollworthy things than your post, it is time that the mods here take control over the situation and get you under control OP.

  jesteralways

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10/12/13 9:57:28 PM#13

I don't know if this guy is a troll or just plain ignorant. Is there any idiot in this world who would spend money in anything without knowing what s/he is getting for the money? The kickstarter project of SoTA has around 20 tier of backer package. Only those who buy the "Developer Tier" or above package will get to join the private devs discussion. Those pacakges are described in BOLD letter in kickstarter page. Here go read  :

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/portalarium/shroud-of-the-avatar-forsaken-virtues-0

this page even gives us very good idea of what the game going to be. Now stop spamming the forums. you have no idea on the subject you talk about. 

i want an open world, no phasing, no instancing.i want meaningful owpvp.i want player driven economy.i want meaningful crafting.i want awesome exploration, a sense of thrill.i want ow housing with a meaningful effect on my entire gameplay experience, not just some instanced crap.i want all of these free of cost, i don't wanna pay you a cent, game devs can eat grass and continue developing game for me.
Seems like that is the current consensus of western mmo players.

  InsaneMembrane

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10/12/13 10:00:31 PM#14
Originally posted by jesteralways

I don't know if this guy is a troll or just plain ignorant. Is there any idiot in this world who would spend money in anything without knowing what s/he is getting for the money? The kickstarter project of SoTA has around 20 tier of backer package. Only those who buy the "Developer Tier" or above package will get to join the private devs discussion. Those pacakges are described in BOLD letter in kickstarter page. Here go read  :

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/portalarium/shroud-of-the-avatar-forsaken-virtues-0

this page even gives us very good idea of what the game going to be. Now stop spamming the forums. you have no idea on the subject you talk about. 

I agree with you.  Watch what you say though bro, this guy has friends here. Every time I post I get banned, but they let him carry on like a little child here :(

  Aragon100

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OP  11/09/13 10:35:39 AM#15
Originally posted by jesteralways

I don't know if this guy is a troll or just plain ignorant. Is there any idiot in this world who would spend money in anything without knowing what s/he is getting for the money? The kickstarter project of SoTA has around 20 tier of backer package. Only those who buy the "Developer Tier" or above package will get to join the private devs discussion. Those pacakges are described in BOLD letter in kickstarter page. Here go read  :

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/portalarium/shroud-of-the-avatar-forsaken-virtues-0

this page even gives us very good idea of what the game going to be. Now stop spamming the forums. you have no idea on the subject you talk about. 

Important feature discussions and game mechanisms are discussed by developers and high money pledgers in a exclusive SotA forum.

That tell me that if you contribute with alot of money we the developers of SotA are more interested talking to you and listen to your feedback and suggestions - your voice is more important to us then the backer that only pledged 45 $.

 

 

 

  InsaneMembrane

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11/09/13 11:57:31 AM#16
Originally posted by Aragon100
Originally posted by jesteralways

I don't know if this guy is a troll or just plain ignorant. Is there any idiot in this world who would spend money in anything without knowing what s/he is getting for the money? The kickstarter project of SoTA has around 20 tier of backer package. Only those who buy the "Developer Tier" or above package will get to join the private devs discussion. Those pacakges are described in BOLD letter in kickstarter page. Here go read  :

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/portalarium/shroud-of-the-avatar-forsaken-virtues-0

this page even gives us very good idea of what the game going to be. Now stop spamming the forums. you have no idea on the subject you talk about. 

Important feature discussions and game mechanisms are discussed by developers and high money pledgers in a exclusive SotA forum.

That tell me that if you contribute with alot of money we the developers of SotA are more interested talking to you and listen to your feedback and suggestions - your voice is more important to us then the backer that only pledged 45 $.

 

 

 

 

This was made very clear from the start. You knew and know what the KickStart tiers entitled you to or not. If you don't like it, then pledge more. If you can't pledge more, we're sorry, but it is both not our issue or Portalarium's issue.

Stop trying to make yourself out to be some sort of scapegoat.

  Xthos

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11/09/13 12:01:37 PM#17
Originally posted by Aragon100
Originally posted by jesteralways

I don't know if this guy is a troll or just plain ignorant. Is there any idiot in this world who would spend money in anything without knowing what s/he is getting for the money? The kickstarter project of SoTA has around 20 tier of backer package. Only those who buy the "Developer Tier" or above package will get to join the private devs discussion. Those pacakges are described in BOLD letter in kickstarter page. Here go read  :

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/portalarium/shroud-of-the-avatar-forsaken-virtues-0

this page even gives us very good idea of what the game going to be. Now stop spamming the forums. you have no idea on the subject you talk about. 

Important feature discussions and game mechanisms are discussed by developers and high money pledgers in a exclusive SotA forum.

That tell me that if you contribute with alot of money we the developers of SotA are more interested talking to you and listen to your feedback and suggestions - your voice is more important to us then the backer that only pledged 45 $.

 

 

 

 Yes, they are more important.

  iridescence

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11/09/13 12:03:46 PM#18

I'm sure the devs look at the base forum too but it is kind of the way the world works and nothing wrong with it in my opinion. People who donated a bunch of money are entitled to influence the game more than people who just donated a little. You still have way more influence over SotA devs than you would over any big publisher even if you just donated $5.

 

  superconducting

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11/12/13 9:42:03 PM#19

The OP has a legitimate concern. This concern exists whether or not you choose to take it seriously.

 

There is simply no denying that rather substantial components of this game are in fact exclusive to high-level backers (housing being the other prime example). Whether or not you agree with the philosophy is another question.

 

Being a backer, I'm in the phase of giving SotA team the benefit of the doubt. I will say that the recent update discussing Magic/ Combat/ Crafting was very encouraging. In all honesty, it was very comforting to see an update that was not trying to sell us an exorbitantly-priced house :D

  Loktofeit

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11/12/13 11:03:19 PM#20
Originally posted by superconducting

The OP has a legitimate concern. This concern exists whether or not you choose to take it seriously.

There is simply no denying that rather substantial components of this game are in fact exclusive to high-level backers (housing being the other prime example). Whether or not you agree with the philosophy is another question.

Being a backer, I'm in the phase of giving SotA team the benefit of the doubt. I will say that the recent update discussing Magic/ Combat/ Crafting was very encouraging. In all honesty, it was very comforting to see an update that was not trying to sell us an exorbitantly-priced house :D

The cliques I saw forming very early in chat and IRC were the reason I stopped following it for now. I wasn't ready to get into the power plays I saw going on, and a lot of it circled around the ones that put the most into the campaign, as they were directly involved in private chats and forums with the devs. 

Sitting back and watching to see where it goes, and crossing my fingers that those groups help steer the game in a good direction. Some really passionate UO fans in that crowd, so this game could be something spectacular. 

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