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  InsaneMembrane

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Posts: 146

9/26/13 11:01:48 AM#81
Originally posted by DeathmachinePT
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
Originally posted by DeathmachinePT

Building a present MMO with 2mil is impossible especially when accepting means having costs by delivering some physical goods to those pledgers.

Only Star Citizen has some minimal funding required to deliver the game they are pitching they probably would needed  around than 100mil to make it but with some good management they might get there.

I guess Shroud of the Avatar has Richard Garriot reputation on the line as a game designer if he can't deliver than he is not a real good developer.

 

How many games have you produced, and what have their budget's been?

Inform yourself about MMO budgets to understand what I'm talking about, hiring programmers and servers programmers are quite expensive this days and there is a lack of them if you make an engine yourself it will take months of development if you buy an engine you have to pay for it or license it then adjust it to your game which can also be time consuming. 

I have talked to some developers about the costs and they say the absolute minimum is 6mil depending on your ambition, game features and time of development. (not considering post game development, server maintenance, rents or marketing)

You can see that they chose to work with unity engine which is one of the cheapest and also the game will work in instances this are meant to reduce costs.

Wait what!? Employing programmers iz gonna costs money? Oh I see, you don't really have any idea either, you're just talking about stuff. Lawl.

In a way you are right, but you just dont actually know it yet. It is true, the cost of having a big server farm and communications infrastructure to host dedicated full time non-instanced servers is high. So yes, in a way they are reducing costs by offloading the non-persistent work to instanced hosts. I dont really have a problem with that. I'll have The magichandshakesliderbarthingy(TM) doing all the hard work, connecting me to the people I wish to play with and I wont have to pay a subscription fee to do so.

I see no problem with that what so ever. I believe what you need to do is simply close the mouth, stop the flapping lips and check the game out when it is ready for the massive number of nubs, not unlike yourself, out there to play. Only then can you make more unqualified judgements on how this entire thing should have been done.

 

  DeathmachinePT

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Joined: 9/22/13
Posts: 101

9/26/13 11:26:56 AM#82
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
Originally posted by DeathmachinePT
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
Originally posted by DeathmachinePT

Building a present MMO with 2mil is impossible especially when accepting means having costs by delivering some physical goods to those pledgers.

Only Star Citizen has some minimal funding required to deliver the game they are pitching they probably would needed  around than 100mil to make it but with some good management they might get there.

I guess Shroud of the Avatar has Richard Garriot reputation on the line as a game designer if he can't deliver than he is not a real good developer.

 

How many games have you produced, and what have their budget's been?

Inform yourself about MMO budgets to understand what I'm talking about, hiring programmers and servers programmers are quite expensive this days and there is a lack of them if you make an engine yourself it will take months of development if you buy an engine you have to pay for it or license it then adjust it to your game which can also be time consuming. 

I have talked to some developers about the costs and they say the absolute minimum is 6mil depending on your ambition, game features and time of development. (not considering post game development, server maintenance, rents or marketing)

You can see that they chose to work with unity engine which is one of the cheapest and also the game will work in instances this are meant to reduce costs.

Wait what!? Employing programmers iz gonna costs money? Oh I see, you don't really have any idea either, you're just talking about stuff. Lawl.

In a way you are right, but you just dont actually know it yet. It is true, the cost of having a big server farm and communications infrastructure to host dedicated full time non-instanced servers is high. So yes, in a way they are reducing costs by offloading the non-persistent work to instanced hosts. I dont really have a problem with that. I'll have The magichandshakesliderbarthingy(TM) doing all the hard work, connecting me to the people I wish to play with and I wont have to pay a subscription fee to do so.

I see no problem with that what so ever. I believe what you need to do is simply close the mouth, stop the flapping lips and check the game out when it is ready for the massive number of nubs, not unlike yourself, out there to play. Only then can you make more unqualified judgements on how this entire thing should have been done.

 

? I don't understand what you are saying I don't say Shroud of the Avatar will fail I only stated that Lord British is trying to get more crowd funds and it makes sense EQ 2 costed more than 20mil before launching the game, swtor over 100mil, WoW 40mil and ESO again over 100mil.

Server Engineers, Computer programmers, graphics programmers gain over 6000$ monthly this varies in experience of course, all programming and development of game jobs are all over 4000$. 

If you have 15 employees you will burn close to 1mil each year, if you add hardware and software purchases and licensing or seats, rent and runaway costs of development a AA or AAA game it burns millions easily.

SC, Camelot Unchained, Shroud of the Avatar have private funding which is superior to that of what was raised by the community, KS in most cases is a bet to show that there is a market for the game and that the entire creative process has to be in the hands of the devs. Camelot Unchained admitted in their KS video they had more than 6mil in funding besides the 2mil of the crowd funding.

 

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  hockeyplayr

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9/26/13 11:37:48 AM#83
I only pledged the minimum to get into alpha which was $35 I believe.  The game seems interesting but the pricing to have anything good is just ridiculous.  They are just going after hardcore fans that are willing to pledge and it's a shame
  DeathmachinePT

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Joined: 9/22/13
Posts: 101

9/26/13 11:39:06 AM#84
Originally posted by hockeyplayr
I only pledged the minimum to get into alpha which was $35 I believe.  The game seems interesting but the pricing to have anything good is just ridiculous.  They are just going after hardcore fans that are willing to pledge and it's a shame

I only pledged 45$ so I could get the crossbow on SC.

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  Zarriya

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Posts: 230

9/26/13 11:47:21 AM#85
I agree with the OP, but you cant fault Richard Garriot for making more money.  People have to decide for themselves whether this is something that they will pay for or not.  i will not be paying for it.

  InsaneMembrane

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Joined: 9/17/13
Posts: 146

9/26/13 9:16:12 PM#86

I have never seen a bigger bunch of cry babies in my life.

QQ.

For $135 you get five, FIVE, Richard Garriott games and beta access to the fourth and fifth games. Not to mention the game's story itself has been written and developed by both Richard Garriott and Tracy Hickman, so it is naturally going to be pretty damn good, much much better than those other big budget junk games like Skyrim.

So stop complaining that some little crafter may not want to PvP, stop complaining that static non-instanced housing is going to cost a little bit more on top of the pile, those things are a grain of sand on the beach.

There is a lot more that could be said, but I'm not talking to this brick wall any more. You are all definitely stuck at your little QQ party, and you are most certainly crying if you want to.

*hands you a tissue for your QQ*

NOT

  Karteli

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Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

9/26/13 9:28:18 PM#87
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane

I have never seen a bigger bunch of cry babies in my life.

QQ.

For $135 you get five, FIVE, Richard Garriott games and beta access to the fourth and fifth games. Not to mention the game's story itself has been written and developed by both Richard Garriott and Tracy Hickman, so it is naturally going to be pretty damn good, much much better than those other big budget junk games like Skyrim.

So stop complaining that some little crafter may not want to PvP, stop complaining that static non-instanced housing is going to cost a little bit more on top of the pile, those things are a grain of sand on the beach.

There is a lot more that could be said, but I'm not talking to this brick wall any more. You are all definitely stuck at your little QQ party, and you are most certainly crying if you want to.

*hands you a tissue for your QQ*

NOT

Oh go on, why don't you.

 

It's just not worth it for one game.  Richard Garriott is great and did awesome things.  He also did a huge abomination to gamers for personal gain by selling Origin Systems, Inc to EA.

 

What is being proposed is very expensive to individuals.  It simply is.  It's not appetizing.  so $135 or $495, or $75 .. what someone gets is digital bits.  I liked Richard Garriott before he met EA.  He was a gamer, and had gamers in mind .. to bamboozle them with ideas, not monetary bullshit.

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  InsaneMembrane

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Joined: 9/17/13
Posts: 146

9/26/13 9:36:38 PM#88
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane

I have never seen a bigger bunch of cry babies in my life.

QQ.

For $135 you get five, FIVE, Richard Garriott games and beta access to the fourth and fifth games. Not to mention the game's story itself has been written and developed by both Richard Garriott and Tracy Hickman, so it is naturally going to be pretty damn good, much much better than those other big budget junk games like Skyrim.

So stop complaining that some little crafter may not want to PvP, stop complaining that static non-instanced housing is going to cost a little bit more on top of the pile, those things are a grain of sand on the beach.

There is a lot more that could be said, but I'm not talking to this brick wall any more. You are all definitely stuck at your little QQ party, and you are most certainly crying if you want to.

*hands you a tissue for your QQ*

NOT

Oh go on, why don't you.

 

It's just not worth it for one game.  Richard Garriott is great and did awesome things.  He also did a huge abomination to gamers for personal gain by selling Origin Systems, Inc to EA.

 

What is being proposed is very expensive to individuals.  It simply is.  It's not appetizing.  so $135 or $495, or $75 .. what someone gets is digital bits.  I liked Richard Garriott before he met EA.  He was a gamer, and had gamers in mind .. to bamboozle them with ideas, not monetary bullshit.

 

No idea what you are saying cos I'm not talkin bout one game.

But if youz wanna talk about one game, then sure, $45 bucks got you the game and access to Alpha and Beta. The problem there is what exactly?

  Karteli

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Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

9/26/13 10:11:46 PM#89
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane

I have never seen a bigger bunch of cry babies in my life.

QQ.

For $135 you get five, FIVE, Richard Garriott games and beta access to the fourth and fifth games. Not to mention the game's story itself has been written and developed by both Richard Garriott and Tracy Hickman, so it is naturally going to be pretty damn good, much much better than those other big budget junk games like Skyrim.

So stop complaining that some little crafter may not want to PvP, stop complaining that static non-instanced housing is going to cost a little bit more on top of the pile, those things are a grain of sand on the beach.

There is a lot more that could be said, but I'm not talking to this brick wall any more. You are all definitely stuck at your little QQ party, and you are most certainly crying if you want to.

*hands you a tissue for your QQ*

NOT

Oh go on, why don't you.

 

It's just not worth it for one game.  Richard Garriott is great and did awesome things.  He also did a huge abomination to gamers for personal gain by selling Origin Systems, Inc to EA.

 

What is being proposed is very expensive to individuals.  It simply is.  It's not appetizing.  so $135 or $495, or $75 .. what someone gets is digital bits.  I liked Richard Garriott before he met EA.  He was a gamer, and had gamers in mind .. to bamboozle them with ideas, not monetary bullshit.

 

No idea what you are saying cos I'm not talkin bout one game.

But if youz wanna talk about one game, then sure, $45 bucks got you the game and access to Alpha and Beta. The problem there is what exactly?

Well in time, others might be willing to try the game, if it's good.  There is too much pay to own stuff currently, which gets intertwined with P2W.  Yup even PVE.

 

$135 .. how about a full movie sized poster, signed by RG?

 

$1000 .. a tapestry of .. erm  would box covers be a violation of the sale to EA? ... if so well, scrap that idea, since EA has the rights :(

Now if the $45 came with something ... you see all the older Ultima games came with "something" .. necklace pieces (Ankh's), cloth maps, symbols of the Triad, Tarot cards as they relate to Virtues, Moonstones  ...

 

$45 for digital bits is meaningless to the fans who know the Ultima franchise.  Did Garriott forget the era he grew up in?

 

Garriott created worlds (tm) at one point in his life.  I'd like to see him return to that mentality.  Not this I want to sell you a world load of horse manure - "I can make it look better, and I can remove the smell if you pay me."

 

 

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  InsaneMembrane

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/17/13
Posts: 146

9/26/13 10:18:16 PM#90
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane

I have never seen a bigger bunch of cry babies in my life.

QQ.

For $135 you get five, FIVE, Richard Garriott games and beta access to the fourth and fifth games. Not to mention the game's story itself has been written and developed by both Richard Garriott and Tracy Hickman, so it is naturally going to be pretty damn good, much much better than those other big budget junk games like Skyrim.

So stop complaining that some little crafter may not want to PvP, stop complaining that static non-instanced housing is going to cost a little bit more on top of the pile, those things are a grain of sand on the beach.

There is a lot more that could be said, but I'm not talking to this brick wall any more. You are all definitely stuck at your little QQ party, and you are most certainly crying if you want to.

*hands you a tissue for your QQ*

NOT

Oh go on, why don't you.

 

It's just not worth it for one game.  Richard Garriott is great and did awesome things.  He also did a huge abomination to gamers for personal gain by selling Origin Systems, Inc to EA.

 

What is being proposed is very expensive to individuals.  It simply is.  It's not appetizing.  so $135 or $495, or $75 .. what someone gets is digital bits.  I liked Richard Garriott before he met EA.  He was a gamer, and had gamers in mind .. to bamboozle them with ideas, not monetary bullshit.

 

No idea what you are saying cos I'm not talkin bout one game.

But if youz wanna talk about one game, then sure, $45 bucks got you the game and access to Alpha and Beta. The problem there is what exactly?

Well in time, others might be willing to try the game, if it's good.  There is too much pay to own stuff currently, which gets intertwined with P2W.  Yup even PVE.

 

$135 .. how about a full movie sized poster, signed by RG?

 

$1000 .. a tapestry of .. erm  would box covers be a violation of the sale to EA? ... if so well, scrap that idea, since EA has the rights :(

Now if the $45 came with something ... you see all the older Ultima games came with "something" .. necklace pieces (Ankh's), cloth maps, symbols of the Triad, Tarot cards as they relate to Virtues, Moonstones  ...

 

$45 for digital bits is meaningless to the fans who know the Ultima franchise.  Did Garriott forget the era he grew up in?

 

 

 

You are still talking aboutz the extras. Not the core game. Those are optional. You are mad that the optionals are too expensive, and you wont play the core game for a very very reasonable price.

You lose. The rest of us win, we don't serve your kind.

  User Deleted
9/26/13 10:20:34 PM#91
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane

I have never seen a bigger bunch of cry babies in my life.

QQ.

^^ This

I hadn't realized Richard Garriott could cause so many poopy diapers among the entitlement babies. He has the power!

This thread is hilarious!

  Karteli

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

9/26/13 10:24:33 PM#92
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane

I have never seen a bigger bunch of cry babies in my life.

QQ.

For $135 you get five, FIVE, Richard Garriott games and beta access to the fourth and fifth games. Not to mention the game's story itself has been written and developed by both Richard Garriott and Tracy Hickman, so it is naturally going to be pretty damn good, much much better than those other big budget junk games like Skyrim.

So stop complaining that some little crafter may not want to PvP, stop complaining that static non-instanced housing is going to cost a little bit more on top of the pile, those things are a grain of sand on the beach.

There is a lot more that could be said, but I'm not talking to this brick wall any more. You are all definitely stuck at your little QQ party, and you are most certainly crying if you want to.

*hands you a tissue for your QQ*

NOT

Oh go on, why don't you.

 

It's just not worth it for one game.  Richard Garriott is great and did awesome things.  He also did a huge abomination to gamers for personal gain by selling Origin Systems, Inc to EA.

 

What is being proposed is very expensive to individuals.  It simply is.  It's not appetizing.  so $135 or $495, or $75 .. what someone gets is digital bits.  I liked Richard Garriott before he met EA.  He was a gamer, and had gamers in mind .. to bamboozle them with ideas, not monetary bullshit.

 

No idea what you are saying cos I'm not talkin bout one game.

But if youz wanna talk about one game, then sure, $45 bucks got you the game and access to Alpha and Beta. The problem there is what exactly?

Well in time, others might be willing to try the game, if it's good.  There is too much pay to own stuff currently, which gets intertwined with P2W.  Yup even PVE.

 

$135 .. how about a full movie sized poster, signed by RG?

 

$1000 .. a tapestry of .. erm  would box covers be a violation of the sale to EA? ... if so well, scrap that idea, since EA has the rights :(

Now if the $45 came with something ... you see all the older Ultima games came with "something" .. necklace pieces (Ankh's), cloth maps, symbols of the Triad, Tarot cards as they relate to Virtues, Moonstones  ...

 

$45 for digital bits is meaningless to the fans who know the Ultima franchise.  Did Garriott forget the era he grew up in?

 

 

 

You are still talking aboutz the extras. Not the core game. Those are optional. You are mad that the optionals are too expensive, and you wont play the core game for a very very reasonable price.

You lose. The rest of us win, we don't serve your kind.

And this, "we" is?

 

Well I have to say you are ambitious, for whatever reason.  And yes I was talking about the extras, because the extras are the core of the game. LOL?  Housing isn't a core feature?

 

I gave some alternatives and you shut them down, which makes your motives a wee bit suspicious, to me.  I'll be watching you.  Enjoy what you defended.

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  InsaneMembrane

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/17/13
Posts: 146

9/26/13 10:30:20 PM#93
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane

I have never seen a bigger bunch of cry babies in my life.

QQ.

For $135 you get five, FIVE, Richard Garriott games and beta access to the fourth and fifth games. Not to mention the game's story itself has been written and developed by both Richard Garriott and Tracy Hickman, so it is naturally going to be pretty damn good, much much better than those other big budget junk games like Skyrim.

So stop complaining that some little crafter may not want to PvP, stop complaining that static non-instanced housing is going to cost a little bit more on top of the pile, those things are a grain of sand on the beach.

There is a lot more that could be said, but I'm not talking to this brick wall any more. You are all definitely stuck at your little QQ party, and you are most certainly crying if you want to.

*hands you a tissue for your QQ*

NOT

Oh go on, why don't you.

 

It's just not worth it for one game.  Richard Garriott is great and did awesome things.  He also did a huge abomination to gamers for personal gain by selling Origin Systems, Inc to EA.

 

What is being proposed is very expensive to individuals.  It simply is.  It's not appetizing.  so $135 or $495, or $75 .. what someone gets is digital bits.  I liked Richard Garriott before he met EA.  He was a gamer, and had gamers in mind .. to bamboozle them with ideas, not monetary bullshit.

 

No idea what you are saying cos I'm not talkin bout one game.

But if youz wanna talk about one game, then sure, $45 bucks got you the game and access to Alpha and Beta. The problem there is what exactly?

Well in time, others might be willing to try the game, if it's good.  There is too much pay to own stuff currently, which gets intertwined with P2W.  Yup even PVE.

 

$135 .. how about a full movie sized poster, signed by RG?

 

$1000 .. a tapestry of .. erm  would box covers be a violation of the sale to EA? ... if so well, scrap that idea, since EA has the rights :(

Now if the $45 came with something ... you see all the older Ultima games came with "something" .. necklace pieces (Ankh's), cloth maps, symbols of the Triad, Tarot cards as they relate to Virtues, Moonstones  ...

 

$45 for digital bits is meaningless to the fans who know the Ultima franchise.  Did Garriott forget the era he grew up in?

 

 

 

You are still talking aboutz the extras. Not the core game. Those are optional. You are mad that the optionals are too expensive, and you wont play the core game for a very very reasonable price.

You lose. The rest of us win, we don't serve your kind.

And this, "we" is?

 

Well I have to say you are ambitious, for whatever reason.  And yes I was talking about the extras, because the extras are the core of the game. LOL?  Housing isn't a core feature?

 

I gave some alternatives and you shut them down, which makes your motives a wee bit suspicious, to me.  I'll be watching you.  Enjoy what you defended.

 

I'm insane, there are many we in my head!

The extras are by definition extra and cannot be part of the core game... No, housing is NOT a core feature. You do not require a house, to play or complete the game. It is pretty simple.

  Karteli

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

9/26/13 10:44:39 PM#94
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane

I have never seen a bigger bunch of cry babies in my life.

QQ.

For $135 you get five, FIVE, Richard Garriott games and beta access to the fourth and fifth games. Not to mention the game's story itself has been written and developed by both Richard Garriott and Tracy Hickman, so it is naturally going to be pretty damn good, much much better than those other big budget junk games like Skyrim.

So stop complaining that some little crafter may not want to PvP, stop complaining that static non-instanced housing is going to cost a little bit more on top of the pile, those things are a grain of sand on the beach.

There is a lot more that could be said, but I'm not talking to this brick wall any more. You are all definitely stuck at your little QQ party, and you are most certainly crying if you want to.

*hands you a tissue for your QQ*

NOT

Oh go on, why don't you.

 

It's just not worth it for one game.  Richard Garriott is great and did awesome things.  He also did a huge abomination to gamers for personal gain by selling Origin Systems, Inc to EA.

 

What is being proposed is very expensive to individuals.  It simply is.  It's not appetizing.  so $135 or $495, or $75 .. what someone gets is digital bits.  I liked Richard Garriott before he met EA.  He was a gamer, and had gamers in mind .. to bamboozle them with ideas, not monetary bullshit.

 

No idea what you are saying cos I'm not talkin bout one game.

But if youz wanna talk about one game, then sure, $45 bucks got you the game and access to Alpha and Beta. The problem there is what exactly?

Well in time, others might be willing to try the game, if it's good.  There is too much pay to own stuff currently, which gets intertwined with P2W.  Yup even PVE.

 

$135 .. how about a full movie sized poster, signed by RG?

 

$1000 .. a tapestry of .. erm  would box covers be a violation of the sale to EA? ... if so well, scrap that idea, since EA has the rights :(

Now if the $45 came with something ... you see all the older Ultima games came with "something" .. necklace pieces (Ankh's), cloth maps, symbols of the Triad, Tarot cards as they relate to Virtues, Moonstones  ...

 

$45 for digital bits is meaningless to the fans who know the Ultima franchise.  Did Garriott forget the era he grew up in?

 

 

 

You are still talking aboutz the extras. Not the core game. Those are optional. You are mad that the optionals are too expensive, and you wont play the core game for a very very reasonable price.

You lose. The rest of us win, we don't serve your kind.

And this, "we" is?

 

Well I have to say you are ambitious, for whatever reason.  And yes I was talking about the extras, because the extras are the core of the game. LOL?  Housing isn't a core feature?

 

I gave some alternatives and you shut them down, which makes your motives a wee bit suspicious, to me.  I'll be watching you.  Enjoy what you defended.

 

I'm insane, there are many we in my head!

The extras are by definition extra and cannot be part of the core game... No, housing is NOT a core feature. You do not require a house, to play or complete the game. It is pretty simple.

I .. don't even ...

 

This game advertises housing ... I don't even ..

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  InsaneMembrane

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/17/13
Posts: 146

9/26/13 10:48:43 PM#95
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane

I have never seen a bigger bunch of cry babies in my life.

QQ.

For $135 you get five, FIVE, Richard Garriott games and beta access to the fourth and fifth games. Not to mention the game's story itself has been written and developed by both Richard Garriott and Tracy Hickman, so it is naturally going to be pretty damn good, much much better than those other big budget junk games like Skyrim.

So stop complaining that some little crafter may not want to PvP, stop complaining that static non-instanced housing is going to cost a little bit more on top of the pile, those things are a grain of sand on the beach.

There is a lot more that could be said, but I'm not talking to this brick wall any more. You are all definitely stuck at your little QQ party, and you are most certainly crying if you want to.

*hands you a tissue for your QQ*

NOT

Oh go on, why don't you.

 

It's just not worth it for one game.  Richard Garriott is great and did awesome things.  He also did a huge abomination to gamers for personal gain by selling Origin Systems, Inc to EA.

 

What is being proposed is very expensive to individuals.  It simply is.  It's not appetizing.  so $135 or $495, or $75 .. what someone gets is digital bits.  I liked Richard Garriott before he met EA.  He was a gamer, and had gamers in mind .. to bamboozle them with ideas, not monetary bullshit.

 

No idea what you are saying cos I'm not talkin bout one game.

But if youz wanna talk about one game, then sure, $45 bucks got you the game and access to Alpha and Beta. The problem there is what exactly?

Well in time, others might be willing to try the game, if it's good.  There is too much pay to own stuff currently, which gets intertwined with P2W.  Yup even PVE.

 

$135 .. how about a full movie sized poster, signed by RG?

 

$1000 .. a tapestry of .. erm  would box covers be a violation of the sale to EA? ... if so well, scrap that idea, since EA has the rights :(

Now if the $45 came with something ... you see all the older Ultima games came with "something" .. necklace pieces (Ankh's), cloth maps, symbols of the Triad, Tarot cards as they relate to Virtues, Moonstones  ...

 

$45 for digital bits is meaningless to the fans who know the Ultima franchise.  Did Garriott forget the era he grew up in?

 

 

 

You are still talking aboutz the extras. Not the core game. Those are optional. You are mad that the optionals are too expensive, and you wont play the core game for a very very reasonable price.

You lose. The rest of us win, we don't serve your kind.

And this, "we" is?

 

Well I have to say you are ambitious, for whatever reason.  And yes I was talking about the extras, because the extras are the core of the game. LOL?  Housing isn't a core feature?

 

I gave some alternatives and you shut them down, which makes your motives a wee bit suspicious, to me.  I'll be watching you.  Enjoy what you defended.

 

I'm insane, there are many we in my head!

The extras are by definition extra and cannot be part of the core game... No, housing is NOT a core feature. You do not require a house, to play or complete the game. It is pretty simple.

I .. don't even ...

 

This game advertises housing ... I don't even ..

 

Of course it does. But at no point have they ever said it will be free or it will also be required to play/complete the game. They are going to ad the things that bring the people in like carebear housing. It is 2013. 

  Karteli

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

9/26/13 10:58:24 PM#96
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane

I have never seen a bigger bunch of cry babies in my life.

QQ.

For $135 you get five, FIVE, Richard Garriott games and beta access to the fourth and fifth games. Not to mention the game's story itself has been written and developed by both Richard Garriott and Tracy Hickman, so it is naturally going to be pretty damn good, much much better than those other big budget junk games like Skyrim.

So stop complaining that some little crafter may not want to PvP, stop complaining that static non-instanced housing is going to cost a little bit more on top of the pile, those things are a grain of sand on the beach.

There is a lot more that could be said, but I'm not talking to this brick wall any more. You are all definitely stuck at your little QQ party, and you are most certainly crying if you want to.

*hands you a tissue for your QQ*

NOT

Oh go on, why don't you.

 

It's just not worth it for one game.  Richard Garriott is great and did awesome things.  He also did a huge abomination to gamers for personal gain by selling Origin Systems, Inc to EA.

 

What is being proposed is very expensive to individuals.  It simply is.  It's not appetizing.  so $135 or $495, or $75 .. what someone gets is digital bits.  I liked Richard Garriott before he met EA.  He was a gamer, and had gamers in mind .. to bamboozle them with ideas, not monetary bullshit.

 

No idea what you are saying cos I'm not talkin bout one game.

But if youz wanna talk about one game, then sure, $45 bucks got you the game and access to Alpha and Beta. The problem there is what exactly?

Well in time, others might be willing to try the game, if it's good.  There is too much pay to own stuff currently, which gets intertwined with P2W.  Yup even PVE.

 

$135 .. how about a full movie sized poster, signed by RG?

 

$1000 .. a tapestry of .. erm  would box covers be a violation of the sale to EA? ... if so well, scrap that idea, since EA has the rights :(

Now if the $45 came with something ... you see all the older Ultima games came with "something" .. necklace pieces (Ankh's), cloth maps, symbols of the Triad, Tarot cards as they relate to Virtues, Moonstones  ...

 

$45 for digital bits is meaningless to the fans who know the Ultima franchise.  Did Garriott forget the era he grew up in?

 

 

 

You are still talking aboutz the extras. Not the core game. Those are optional. You are mad that the optionals are too expensive, and you wont play the core game for a very very reasonable price.

You lose. The rest of us win, we don't serve your kind.

And this, "we" is?

 

Well I have to say you are ambitious, for whatever reason.  And yes I was talking about the extras, because the extras are the core of the game. LOL?  Housing isn't a core feature?

 

I gave some alternatives and you shut them down, which makes your motives a wee bit suspicious, to me.  I'll be watching you.  Enjoy what you defended.

 

I'm insane, there are many we in my head!

The extras are by definition extra and cannot be part of the core game... No, housing is NOT a core feature. You do not require a house, to play or complete the game. It is pretty simple.

I .. don't even ...

 

This game advertises housing ... I don't even ..

 

Of course it does. But at no point have they ever said it will be free or it will also be required to play/complete the game. They are going to ad the things that bring the people in like carebear housing. It is 2013. 

ah OK, glad we're clear on that.  Anyone who didn't donate money might oneday get carebear housing.  This really attracts new players, let me be the first to tell you, it's what gaming is about!

 

I'm not really sure if you are try to help this game or hurt it, at this point ..

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  InsaneMembrane

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/17/13
Posts: 146

9/26/13 11:03:02 PM#97
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane

I have never seen a bigger bunch of cry babies in my life.

QQ.

For $135 you get five, FIVE, Richard Garriott games and beta access to the fourth and fifth games. Not to mention the game's story itself has been written and developed by both Richard Garriott and Tracy Hickman, so it is naturally going to be pretty damn good, much much better than those other big budget junk games like Skyrim.

So stop complaining that some little crafter may not want to PvP, stop complaining that static non-instanced housing is going to cost a little bit more on top of the pile, those things are a grain of sand on the beach.

There is a lot more that could be said, but I'm not talking to this brick wall any more. You are all definitely stuck at your little QQ party, and you are most certainly crying if you want to.

*hands you a tissue for your QQ*

NOT

Oh go on, why don't you.

 

It's just not worth it for one game.  Richard Garriott is great and did awesome things.  He also did a huge abomination to gamers for personal gain by selling Origin Systems, Inc to EA.

 

What is being proposed is very expensive to individuals.  It simply is.  It's not appetizing.  so $135 or $495, or $75 .. what someone gets is digital bits.  I liked Richard Garriott before he met EA.  He was a gamer, and had gamers in mind .. to bamboozle them with ideas, not monetary bullshit.

 

No idea what you are saying cos I'm not talkin bout one game.

But if youz wanna talk about one game, then sure, $45 bucks got you the game and access to Alpha and Beta. The problem there is what exactly?

Well in time, others might be willing to try the game, if it's good.  There is too much pay to own stuff currently, which gets intertwined with P2W.  Yup even PVE.

 

$135 .. how about a full movie sized poster, signed by RG?

 

$1000 .. a tapestry of .. erm  would box covers be a violation of the sale to EA? ... if so well, scrap that idea, since EA has the rights :(

Now if the $45 came with something ... you see all the older Ultima games came with "something" .. necklace pieces (Ankh's), cloth maps, symbols of the Triad, Tarot cards as they relate to Virtues, Moonstones  ...

 

$45 for digital bits is meaningless to the fans who know the Ultima franchise.  Did Garriott forget the era he grew up in?

 

 

 

You are still talking aboutz the extras. Not the core game. Those are optional. You are mad that the optionals are too expensive, and you wont play the core game for a very very reasonable price.

You lose. The rest of us win, we don't serve your kind.

And this, "we" is?

 

Well I have to say you are ambitious, for whatever reason.  And yes I was talking about the extras, because the extras are the core of the game. LOL?  Housing isn't a core feature?

 

I gave some alternatives and you shut them down, which makes your motives a wee bit suspicious, to me.  I'll be watching you.  Enjoy what you defended.

 

I'm insane, there are many we in my head!

The extras are by definition extra and cannot be part of the core game... No, housing is NOT a core feature. You do not require a house, to play or complete the game. It is pretty simple.

I .. don't even ...

 

This game advertises housing ... I don't even ..

 

Of course it does. But at no point have they ever said it will be free or it will also be required to play/complete the game. They are going to ad the things that bring the people in like carebear housing. It is 2013. 

ah OK, glad we're clear on that.  Anyone who didn't donate money might oneday get carebear housing.  This really attracts new players, let me be the first to tell you, it's what gaming is about!

 

I'm not really sure if you are try to help this game or hurt it, at this point ..

 

I am about facts. Not hurt nor help. And a lot scared at the fact you have stated that carebear housing is what gaming is all about... I don't get you housing foos. You dont want to play throught he story line, dont want to PvP, you just want stuff to put your stuff in so you can collect more stuff and put that stuff in other stuff. 

Go to garage sales or something. Don't waste dev talent and time on rigging your silly nub houses.

  gigat

Hard Core Member

Joined: 6/24/10
Posts: 609

9/26/13 11:04:01 PM#98

I didn't pledge a lot, but certainly enough to regret it if things turn out poorly.  I'm a bit concerned about this.  It reminds me of Appleton's idea with Greed Monger.  If I had known Lord Brittish was going to do this, I wouldn't have pledged.

I know they're a business, and they are trying to make money and pay the bills and all that.  But it still seems shady in a "bait and switch" type of way.

 

Prior to this announcement, I was giddy with excitement for this game.  Now I'm wavering between excitement and regret, and the regret is getting heavy.

"Lose the helmet sis, we can't prove that you're retarded." - Dennis Reynolds

  Karteli

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/09/12
Posts: 2704

9/26/13 11:10:13 PM#99

@ Gigat

 

I love the Avatar you have btw ! lulz!

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  InsaneMembrane

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/17/13
Posts: 146

9/26/13 11:20:33 PM#100
Originally posted by gigat

I didn't pledge a lot, but certainly enough to regret it if things turn out poorly.  I'm a bit concerned about this.  It reminds me of Appleton's idea with Greed Monger.  If I had known Lord Brittish was going to do this, I wouldn't have pledged.

I know they're a business, and they are trying to make money and pay the bills and all that.  But it still seems shady in a "bait and switch" type of way.

 

Prior to this announcement, I was giddy with excitement for this game.  Now I'm wavering between excitement and regret, and the regret is getting heavy.

 

Details?

Did you pledge enough to get a house? If yes, then how do you feel  "bait and switch" applies to you? If no, not quite sure I would understand either, because again at no point did they present something, and then change or take it away.

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