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Shroud of the Avatar Forum » General Discussion » Seriously??? I was a devoted fan of all ultima until this...

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  JeroKane

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Joined: 2/21/06
Posts: 5159

9/17/13 3:49:14 AM#21
Originally posted by psiic

Personally really upset already supporting this for $200 before they decided to basically bilk us out of another $200.

 

With the " limited " and gone its gone announcements, this really feels like flat out extortion.

 

Technically they made a contract with us when we kickstarted this game, now they have changed their end of that contract.

 

Almost feels like fraud.

 

Oh and to rub salt in the wound they announce this land and house on sale.. 25% and 50% off our regular price.

 

Excuse me?  "Off our regular price"  if the sale price is the first price they have posted, then that is the regular price not some fabricated price they pulled out of their asses and never charged anyone.

 

Fuck you very much Garriott Im not paying for you to spit in my face again as you rocket off to Mars this time.

Just ask for a refund!

Maybe if enough People start seeing the truth and demand a refund! Then maybe High Horse Garriott might come to his senses and backs off on this idiocy!

This feels more like Second Life and Entropia Universe kind of practices!  But at least in those games People who investested Money could earn it back.

The crap High Horse Garriott is pulling right now begins to cast a shadow over the Whole crowd surfing and pushes it into the direction of outright Money grabs.

Maybe High Horse garriott is planning another Space trip or something? And just neglects to mention it to his backers?

Because if you look at the demos and videos and the quality (or better lack of it), then you gotta Wonder where all that Money is going.

When you compare it to Chris Roberts Star Citizen... the difference is night and day!

At least With Chris Roberts you can immediately see where all the Money is going.... into the game! /Shrug

  Razeekster

Spotlight Poster

Joined: 7/09/11
Posts: 1925

May the game be ever in your favor.

9/17/13 3:56:23 AM#22

Thanks OP for the info. I am now withdrawing my support from this game. No housing unless I fork over vast amounts of cash in a game like this?! No thank you. Such a shame too as this game was shaping up to be great.

 

Also, I highly suggest to others who have already donated money towards this game to express their discontent in the direction that the game has gone on the forums of the game's site. From the videos I've seen of housing, housing is actually very useful so for them to charge money for it when people have already donated is just ridiculous and an obvious cash grab.

Smile

  ShortyBible

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/14/10
Posts: 283

9/17/13 4:00:35 AM#23
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by psiic

Personally really upset already supporting this for $200 before they decided to basically bilk us out of another $200.

 

With the " limited " and gone its gone announcements, this really feels like flat out extortion.

 

Technically they made a contract with us when we kickstarted this game, now they have changed their end of that contract.

 

Almost feels like fraud.

 

Oh and to rub salt in the wound they announce this land and house on sale.. 25% and 50% off our regular price.

 

Excuse me?  "Off our regular price"  if the sale price is the first price they have posted, then that is the regular price not some fabricated price they pulled out of their asses and never charged anyone.

 

Fuck you very much Garriott Im not paying for you to spit in my face again as you rocket off to Mars this time.

Just ask for a refund!

Maybe if enough People start seeing the truth and demand a refund! Then maybe High Horse Garriott might come to his senses and backs off on this idiocy!

This feels more like Second Life and Entropia Universe kind of practices!  But at least in those games People who investested Money could earn it back.

The crap High Horse Garriott is pulling right now begins to cast a shadow over the Whole crowd surfing and pushes it into the direction of outright Money grabs.

Maybe High Horse garriott is planning another Space trip or something? And just neglects to mention it to his backers?

Because if you look at the demos and videos and the quality (or better lack of it), then you gotta Wonder where all that Money is going.

I am glad you mentioned Entropia. We all know that Entropia is a Casino disguised as a game. I do gamble there sometimes.

This is the same vibes I get from this game.

I have no issues with gambling online.

Hopefully the players will know that they are playing in a Casino and not a game.

http://www.entropiapartners.com/?r=22415

  JeroKane

Elite Member

Joined: 2/21/06
Posts: 5159

9/17/13 4:07:45 AM#24
Originally posted by ShortyBible
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by psiic

SNIP

Just ask for a refund!

Maybe if enough People start seeing the truth and demand a refund! Then maybe High Horse Garriott might come to his senses and backs off on this idiocy!

This feels more like Second Life and Entropia Universe kind of practices!  But at least in those games People who investested Money could earn it back.

The crap High Horse Garriott is pulling right now begins to cast a shadow over the Whole crowd surfing and pushes it into the direction of outright Money grabs.

Maybe High Horse garriott is planning another Space trip or something? And just neglects to mention it to his backers?

Because if you look at the demos and videos and the quality (or better lack of it), then you gotta Wonder where all that Money is going.

I am glad you mentioned Entropia. We all know that Entropia is a Casino disguised as a game. I do gamble there sometimes.

This is the same vibes I get from this game.

I have no issues with gambling online.

Hopefully the players will know that they are playing in a Casino and not a game.

The difference is that Entropia is advertised as such and so People treat and play the game as such. Completely different audience.

Unless players think they can start selling their account aka housing plot after launch for profit on eBay or something?

The matter of fact is, that High Horse Garriott is up to his old tricks again and is trying to see how far he can go With grabbing Money from the fanbase.

And knowing what he pulled off during the time of Tabula Rasa.... I seriously question where all this Money is going to! As so far he has shown nothing of substance!

That´s why I mentioned Chris Roberts Star Citizen. As the difference is appaling really!

Kick ass website, tons of info! Continious News updates, art, videos! Even launched the Hangar Module where People can already log in and check their ship(s) ingame!

You can just directly see Your Money being spend in actual Development!

And what does High Horse Garriott do? What he does best.... put up more cash grabs without anything to show for it.

I just cannot believe People are falling for this!  This Whole thing just "screams" cash grab!

  Po_gg

Elite Member

Joined: 5/12/10
Posts: 2033

9/17/13 4:45:38 AM#25

(Off: lol, nice mis-leading title, "fan of all ultima"... more like fan of UO based on the OP. For someone who really loves the series, UO was like a spit in the face...)

 

On: how is this recent news? I don't see any changes, it was the same setting right from the beginning. Limited building space, you can buy a Lot with ingame money, kickstarter backers got one for the pledge, and there will be village size lots in the in-game store.

It's is pretty common, except the last part. I don't know how will they handle Second Life-type of a land speculations and price manipulations, but I guess if someone is buying huge landmasses, the upkeep cost until s/he can finally sell those would be huge as well.

 

While I love housing, it won't affect me much... I plan an offline character (offline you can choose from all the lots), and a single/friends only online one, if that one is left without a house, well, so be it :)

  ShortyBible

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/14/10
Posts: 283

9/17/13 4:45:49 AM#26
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by ShortyBible
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by psiic

SNIP

Just ask for a refund!

Maybe if enough People start seeing the truth and demand a refund! Then maybe High Horse Garriott might come to his senses and backs off on this idiocy!

This feels more like Second Life and Entropia Universe kind of practices!  But at least in those games People who investested Money could earn it back.

The crap High Horse Garriott is pulling right now begins to cast a shadow over the Whole crowd surfing and pushes it into the direction of outright Money grabs.

Maybe High Horse garriott is planning another Space trip or something? And just neglects to mention it to his backers?

Because if you look at the demos and videos and the quality (or better lack of it), then you gotta Wonder where all that Money is going.

I am glad you mentioned Entropia. We all know that Entropia is a Casino disguised as a game. I do gamble there sometimes.

This is the same vibes I get from this game.

I have no issues with gambling online.

Hopefully the players will know that they are playing in a Casino and not a game.

The difference is that Entropia is advertised as such and so People treat and play the game as such. Completely different audience.

Unless players think they can start selling their account aka housing plot after launch for profit on eBay or something?

The matter of fact is, that High Horse Garriott is up to his old tricks again and is trying to see how far he can go With grabbing Money from the fanbase.

And knowing what he pulled off during the time of Tabula Rasa.... I seriously question where all this Money is going to! As so far he has shown nothing of substance!

That´s why I mentioned Chris Roberts Star Citizen. As the difference is appaling really!

Kick ass website, tons of info! Continious News updates, art, videos! Even launched the Hangar Module where People can already log in and check their ship(s) ingame!

You can just directly see Your Money being spend in actual Development!

And what does High Horse Garriott do? What he does best.... put up more cash grabs without anything to show for it.

I just cannot believe People are falling for this!  This Whole thing just "screams" cash grab!

I do agree with you that Entropia is known as a Casino. I gamble there also. We know what it is.

I cannot support you on the Star Citizen comments.

I did sign up for their emails, but I don't participate in any type of crowed funding. I just can't see giving/investing in a company without any returns.

I am certainly  not trying to steer gamers to Star Citizens as you are trying to do.

I was commenting  on the business model of Shroud of the Avatar which I think is atrocious

http://www.entropiapartners.com/?r=22415

  JeroKane

Elite Member

Joined: 2/21/06
Posts: 5159

9/17/13 4:48:59 AM#27
Originally posted by ShortyBible
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by ShortyBible
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by psiic

SNIP

Just ask for a refund!

Maybe if enough People start seeing the truth and demand a refund! Then maybe High Horse Garriott might come to his senses and backs off on this idiocy!

This feels more like Second Life and Entropia Universe kind of practices!  But at least in those games People who investested Money could earn it back.

The crap High Horse Garriott is pulling right now begins to cast a shadow over the Whole crowd surfing and pushes it into the direction of outright Money grabs.

Maybe High Horse garriott is planning another Space trip or something? And just neglects to mention it to his backers?

Because if you look at the demos and videos and the quality (or better lack of it), then you gotta Wonder where all that Money is going.

I am glad you mentioned Entropia. We all know that Entropia is a Casino disguised as a game. I do gamble there sometimes.

This is the same vibes I get from this game.

I have no issues with gambling online.

Hopefully the players will know that they are playing in a Casino and not a game.

The difference is that Entropia is advertised as such and so People treat and play the game as such. Completely different audience.

Unless players think they can start selling their account aka housing plot after launch for profit on eBay or something?

The matter of fact is, that High Horse Garriott is up to his old tricks again and is trying to see how far he can go With grabbing Money from the fanbase.

And knowing what he pulled off during the time of Tabula Rasa.... I seriously question where all this Money is going to! As so far he has shown nothing of substance!

That´s why I mentioned Chris Roberts Star Citizen. As the difference is appaling really!

Kick ass website, tons of info! Continious News updates, art, videos! Even launched the Hangar Module where People can already log in and check their ship(s) ingame!

You can just directly see Your Money being spend in actual Development!

And what does High Horse Garriott do? What he does best.... put up more cash grabs without anything to show for it.

I just cannot believe People are falling for this!  This Whole thing just "screams" cash grab!

I do agree with you that Entropia is known as a Casino. I gamble there also. We know what it is.

I cannot support you on the Star Citizen comments.

I did sign up for their emails, but I don't participate in any type of crowed funding. I just can't see giving/investing in a company without any returns.

I am certainly am not trying to steer gamers to Star Citizens as you are trying to do.

I was commenting  on the business model of Shroud of the Avatar which I think is atrocious

I am not steering anyone anywhere. I just gave it as an example to show the sheer difference between the two. As both are kick starter campains.

People can make up their own minds.

 

  ShortyBible

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/14/10
Posts: 283

9/17/13 5:04:03 AM#28
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by ShortyBible
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by ShortyBible
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by psiic

SNIP

Just ask for a refund!

Maybe if enough People start seeing the truth and demand a refund! Then maybe High Horse Garriott might come to his senses and backs off on this idiocy!

This feels more like Second Life and Entropia Universe kind of practices!  But at least in those games People who investested Money could earn it back.

The crap High Horse Garriott is pulling right now begins to cast a shadow over the Whole crowd surfing and pushes it into the direction of outright Money grabs.

Maybe High Horse garriott is planning another Space trip or something? And just neglects to mention it to his backers?

Because if you look at the demos and videos and the quality (or better lack of it), then you gotta Wonder where all that Money is going.

I am glad you mentioned Entropia. We all know that Entropia is a Casino disguised as a game. I do gamble there sometimes.

This is the same vibes I get from this game.

I have no issues with gambling online.

Hopefully the players will know that they are playing in a Casino and not a game.

The difference is that Entropia is advertised as such and so People treat and play the game as such. Completely different audience.

Unless players think they can start selling their account aka housing plot after launch for profit on eBay or something?

The matter of fact is, that High Horse Garriott is up to his old tricks again and is trying to see how far he can go With grabbing Money from the fanbase.

And knowing what he pulled off during the time of Tabula Rasa.... I seriously question where all this Money is going to! As so far he has shown nothing of substance!

That´s why I mentioned Chris Roberts Star Citizen. As the difference is appaling really!

Kick ass website, tons of info! Continious News updates, art, videos! Even launched the Hangar Module where People can already log in and check their ship(s) ingame!

You can just directly see Your Money being spend in actual Development!

And what does High Horse Garriott do? What he does best.... put up more cash grabs without anything to show for it.

I just cannot believe People are falling for this!  This Whole thing just "screams" cash grab!

I do agree with you that Entropia is known as a Casino. I gamble there also. We know what it is.

I cannot support you on the Star Citizen comments.

I did sign up for their emails, but I don't participate in any type of crowed funding. I just can't see giving/investing in a company without any returns.

I am certainly am not trying to steer gamers to Star Citizens as you are trying to do.

I was commenting  on the business model of Shroud of the Avatar which I think is atrocious

I am not steering anyone anywhere. I just gave it as an example to show the sheer difference between the two. As both are kick starter campains.

People can make up their own minds.

 

Agreed.  Thank you for your participation in the discussion.

http://www.entropiapartners.com/?r=22415

  Nightfyre

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/25/04
Posts: 157

9/17/13 5:19:52 AM#29

From the way it reads, this pre-purchase is the only way to get it, just a head start for the best spots.  You'll still be able to buy a deed and place a house, most likely not in the idea spot for the similar UO merchant locations.

Houses in Ultima Online were important for decorators, merchants and pack rats.  Really sure they are not going limit it just to this, but to those who want a head-start in this area, which is fine since head-starts are in the majority of MMO's now.

 

And who knows maybe Richard is just funding another trip to the moon and will give up on the game soon after release.  - Aww someone else mentioned this too in their post hehe.

  Neo_Viper

Novice Member

Joined: 5/10/13
Posts: 624

If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong.

9/17/13 5:41:41 AM#30
I thankfully learned about the housing thing before the end of the kickstarter campain back then and was able to cancel my funding and get my money back. Not sure you'll be able to do the same now though...

My computer is better than yours.

  JeroKane

Elite Member

Joined: 2/21/06
Posts: 5159

9/17/13 5:48:15 AM#31
Originally posted by Nightfyre

From the way it reads, this pre-purchase is the only way to get it, just a head start for the best spots.  You'll still be able to buy a deed and place a house, most likely not in the idea spot for the similar UO merchant locations.

Houses in Ultima Online were important for decorators, merchants and pack rats.  Really sure they are not going limit it just to this, but to those who want a head-start in this area, which is fine since head-starts are in the majority of MMO's now.

 

And who knows maybe Richard is just funding another trip to the moon and will give up on the game soon after release.  - Aww someone else mentioned this too in their post hehe.

That´s why I have ZERO faith in this guy!  After the stunt he pulled With Tabula Rasa.... leaving a horde of disgruntled fans With a broken unfinished game, while he went off to Space!

Nahh.... that´s why I am just baffled how so many People are still throwing these amounts of cash at him, like nothing happened.

  GungaDin

Hard Core Member

Joined: 12/06/05
Posts: 496

9/17/13 6:50:43 AM#32

Really don't know what else to say.  

There isn't 50-75 mil in funding to make UO2 and provide housing to everyone.  

It was known from the beginning of kickstarter that housing would be rare and at a premium.

Housing was used as a source of fundraising.   Good or bad idea?  That is what they went with.  No way to change that or go back on that choice.  

If housing is your main concern (and your not willing to wait for more housing options), then don't pledge.  If you are more interested in the story, lore, crafting, PvE, PvP, old school conversation system or some other  aspect of gameplay (and like what you see), then pledge based on that. 

24,000 houses on multiple servers is not gonna happen with 2.5 mil in funding.  Do any of you know how much an MMO costs to produce these days?  Have to be realistic here.

 

  NightBandit

Hard Core Member

Joined: 1/25/07
Posts: 767

Make friends not money, then wealth will follow.

9/17/13 7:00:57 AM#33
Originally posted by Karble

http://www.polygon.com/2013/9/13/4724762/lord-british-and-the-oklahoma-land-rush

 

this is the link the the article most recently from the creators of Shroud of the Avatar.

It is one thing to try and sway the avid fanbase of the various avatar games over the years into purchasing virtual (see pixy dust) space to place a house in a semi-protected area of an online community that has not happened yet. It's another to try and now tell new people that are interested that "hey....better pay now or you will not have a home since they are limited" which only adds to this pixy dust house of cards.

 

I am not saying that the game itself will be good or bad. Just that there are alot of people in real life spending LITERALLY THOUSANDS of DOLLARS to have a house (pixy dust) in a virtual world. 

 

Where has common sense gone? Seriously......ugh.  I am a fan of UO and played it for several years, but I will be the last to throw my hard earned money into developing any game unless they will be splitting the profit with me.

 

Oh they are not splitting the profit with people that have invested 3K into the game? hmm well at least you get a pixy dust house :P

I was a fan in the old days but have realised he is just trying to achieve what Chris Roberts has done with the SC game and for me he's not even close to the mark and I have not and will not support this game as I feel he's way off the mark with this game and it looks horrid and IMO it will fail because he's not got the talent to pull this off.

Chris Roberts has set a president by what he has done and everyone else feels they can do the same, but you need the ability and talent to do this and again IMO he cannot compete and this is just to fill his pockets to allow us to subsidise his dreams as he's unable to finance it through other means as others have seen what he has to offer is pants...

The Bandit

  psiic

Hard Core Member

Joined: 6/03/09
Posts: 595

9/17/13 7:02:57 AM#34
Originally posted by GungaDin

Really don't know what else to say.  

There isn't 50-75 mil in funding to make UO2 and provide housing to everyone.  

It was known from the beginning of kickstarter that housing would be rare and at a premium.

Housing was used as a source of fundraising.   Good or bad idea?  That is what they went with.  No way to change that or go back on that choice.  

If housing is your main concern (and your not willing to wait for more housing options), then don't pledge.  If you are more interested in the story, lore, crafting, PvE, PvP, old school conversation system or some other  aspect of gameplay (and like what you see), then pledge based on that. 

24,000 houses on multiple servers is not gonna happen with 2.5 mil in funding.  Do any of you know how much an MMO costs to produce these days?  Have to be realistic here.

 

Hmmm so UO released in 97,  so that is 16 years or 192 months.. according to its financials it has maintained between 100-250k subscribers over those 192 months.  It started at $15.99 a month but is down to $12.99 a month now.

 

So being generous lets say 75k subs @ $11 a month for 192 months which equates to $158,400,000.

 

Honestly I would say the cheap bastard could self finance if he really cared about making the game he claims.

  GungaDin

Hard Core Member

Joined: 12/06/05
Posts: 496

9/17/13 7:07:04 AM#35
Originally posted by NightBandit
Originally posted by Karble

http://www.polygon.com/2013/9/13/4724762/lord-british-and-the-oklahoma-land-rush

 

this is the link the the article most recently from the creators of Shroud of the Avatar.

It is one thing to try and sway the avid fanbase of the various avatar games over the years into purchasing virtual (see pixy dust) space to place a house in a semi-protected area of an online community that has not happened yet. It's another to try and now tell new people that are interested that "hey....better pay now or you will not have a home since they are limited" which only adds to this pixy dust house of cards.

 

I am not saying that the game itself will be good or bad. Just that there are alot of people in real life spending LITERALLY THOUSANDS of DOLLARS to have a house (pixy dust) in a virtual world. 

 

Where has common sense gone? Seriously......ugh.  I am a fan of UO and played it for several years, but I will be the last to throw my hard earned money into developing any game unless they will be splitting the profit with me.

 

Oh they are not splitting the profit with people that have invested 3K into the game? hmm well at least you get a pixy dust house :P

I was a fan in the old days but have realised he is just trying to achieve what Chris Roberts has done with the SC game and for me he's not even close to the mark and I have not and will not support this game as I feel he's way off the mark with this game and it looks horrid and IMO it will fail because he's not got the talent to pull this off.

Chris Roberts has set a president by what he has done and everyone else feels they can do the same, but you need the ability and talent to do this and again IMO he cannot compete and this is just to fill his pockets to allow us to subsidise his dreams as he's unable to finance it through other means as others have seen what he has to offer is pants...

 

SC has the advantage of being part of a less used Genre.   Not many space MMO's / worlds.   Swords, shields and orc have been used to death.  Even I wasn't sure about backing another D&D based game again.  It was much easier for me to back SC just because it involved something different (space ships lol).
  Neo_Viper

Novice Member

Joined: 5/10/13
Posts: 624

If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong.

9/17/13 7:16:48 AM#36
Originally posted by GungaDin

Really don't know what else to say.  

There isn't 50-75 mil in funding to make UO2 and provide housing to everyone.  

It was known from the beginning of kickstarter that housing would be rare and at a premium.

Housing was used as a source of fundraising.   Good or bad idea?  That is what they went with.  No way to change that or go back on that choice.  

If housing is your main concern (and your not willing to wait for more housing options), then don't pledge.  If you are more interested in the story, lore, crafting, PvE, PvP, old school conversation system or some other  aspect of gameplay (and like what you see), then pledge based on that. 

24,000 houses on multiple servers is not gonna happen with 2.5 mil in funding.  Do any of you know how much an MMO costs to produce these days?  Have to be realistic here.

Adding a server (or "shard") to a successful game doesn't cost that much. Once the first server is full (aka no more housing available), they can just open a second one, and even make money by offering paid transfers for those who want, but not $500 per transfer of course.

Everyone paying to play a game should have a chance at ALL the content (if they put the time and effort into it of course), and that includes housing. Some people may be happy playing a game they know they will never be able to use a part of the content, but that's not going to happen for me.

Imagine that... a new player logs in, runs around a bit, sees another player house and asks "Nice house, how can I get one?". And the other player answers "You can't, there's no more plots available". What will 90% of the players do? Simple. Quit. Stop playing.

My computer is better than yours.

  InsaneMembrane

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/17/13
Posts: 146

9/17/13 8:09:00 AM#37

Hello Everyone,

I am a member of the Shroud of the Avatar Community and a member of the developer+ community within. I believe you all have the right to know and understand where this information comes from. I was recently banned from the SotA community for my opinions on this(amongst other things), so I hope that it reaches you here.

This information has not come directly to Colin by any official Shroud of the Avatar/Portalarium capacity. The persons Colin has spoken with were an off the cusp, rushed selection of two women whom are friends with the Shroud of the Avatar Community Manager, Gina.

The rest of the Dev+ community wasn’t given an opportunity or heads up on this, the two users who spoke here to Colin said it was “very rushed” due to a “deadline” and that they themselves were not ready for it even.

“…I’m no more ‘privy’ to facts than anyone else.” – Fireangel(Tina)

“Starr did not screen anything and didn’t even have any idea what my opinion on housing is…” – Lori

I do know plenty of people on the forum(both dev and non-dev) who have better ideas, opinions, and experience with housing than the two people selected. Those points could have been presented to the interviewer to enrich that article in any number of ways.

There is more on my blog. Peace.

InsaneMembrane
  JeroKane

Elite Member

Joined: 2/21/06
Posts: 5159

9/17/13 8:21:53 AM#38
Originally posted by psiic
Originally posted by GungaDin

Really don't know what else to say.  

There isn't 50-75 mil in funding to make UO2 and provide housing to everyone.  

It was known from the beginning of kickstarter that housing would be rare and at a premium.

Housing was used as a source of fundraising.   Good or bad idea?  That is what they went with.  No way to change that or go back on that choice.  

If housing is your main concern (and your not willing to wait for more housing options), then don't pledge.  If you are more interested in the story, lore, crafting, PvE, PvP, old school conversation system or some other  aspect of gameplay (and like what you see), then pledge based on that. 

24,000 houses on multiple servers is not gonna happen with 2.5 mil in funding.  Do any of you know how much an MMO costs to produce these days?  Have to be realistic here.

 

Hmmm so UO released in 97,  so that is 16 years or 192 months.. according to its financials it has maintained between 100-250k subscribers over those 192 months.  It started at $15.99 a month but is down to $12.99 a month now.

 

So being generous lets say 75k subs @ $11 a month for 192 months which equates to $158,400,000.

 

Honestly I would say the cheap bastard could self finance if he really cared about making the game he claims.

While he doesn't get all that Money himself. You are partly right that he has a very fat bank account nonetheless.

And here is also where the difference comes regarding him and Chris Roberts.

Before Chris Roberts fired up the Kickstarter campain, he himself already put a lot of his own Money in Development that lead to the most impressive demo so far presented on Kickstarter, With already ingame footage.

It just shows that he himself actually has total faith in his Product (Star Citizen) that he is willing to invest own Money directly into the Development of the game.

This in sheer contrast to High Horse Garriott that wouldn't even put a single penny of his own into this game. Especially not if he can help it.

He has always been a master of spending other people's Money.

  emperorwings

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9/17/13 8:39:35 AM#39
When it releases I'll buy it. That's the only time I'm parting money for any game. You can get a house for $0 in single player offline mode.

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  GungaDin

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9/17/13 9:18:45 AM#40
Originally posted by InsaneMembrane

Hello Everyone,

I am a member of the Shroud of the Avatar Community and a member of the developer+ community within. I believe you all have the right to know and understand where this information comes from. I was recently banned from the SotA community for my opinions on this(amongst other things), so I hope that it reaches you here.

This information has not come directly to Colin by any official Shroud of the Avatar/Portalarium capacity. The persons Colin has spoken with were an off the cusp, rushed selection of two women whom are friends with the Shroud of the Avatar Community Manager, Gina.

The rest of the Dev+ community wasn’t given an opportunity or heads up on this, the two users who spoke here to Colin said it was “very rushed” due to a “deadline” and that they themselves were not ready for it even.

“…I’m no more ‘privy’ to facts than anyone else.” – Fireangel(Tina)

“Starr did not screen anything and didn’t even have any idea what my opinion on housing is…” – Lori

I do know plenty of people on the forum(both dev and non-dev) who have better ideas, opinions, and experience with housing than the two people selected. Those points could have been presented to the interviewer to enrich that article in any number of ways.

There is more on my blog. Peace.

InsaneMembrane

LOL..

 

I give up trying to explain housing.   The DEVs can handle this.  Adios....

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