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Camelot Unchained Forum » General Discussion » Camelot Unchained Kickstarter Progress Discussion

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  Aerowyn

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Posts: 7969

4/28/13 12:09:21 PM#521
Originally posted by Vorch

500K to go :(

 

I pledged 10 bucks and don't even plan on playing :D

 

I just want yall to have a game that you enjoy.

how nice of you:) i only have $30 pledged as i never really cared for daoc but after seeing all that he wants to do with this game i'm surely upping my pledge.. just trying to see how much i can afford.. probably go for the $110 one which would be the most I have spent on a video game in one shot.. obviously over time I have spent way more on sub games and such.. heh

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  Tierless

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Joined: 7/01/08
Posts: 2090

joie de vivre

4/28/13 12:41:52 PM#522

New blog about being a contradictory sellout because of Camelot Unchained.

http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/Xobdnas

mmorpg.com/blogs/Xobdnas

  Rocketeer

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Joined: 9/07/04
Posts: 1310

4/28/13 1:31:13 PM#523
Originally posted by Tierless

New blog about being a contradictory sellout because of Camelot Unchained.

http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/Xobdnas

Very interesting take on things, i like it. Especially the part about AAA mmos becoming more like phone apps lol.

I mean last week i got a free 10 day trial for WoW, which i hadn't played since ... well WotLK pretty much. I was shocked senseless, i literally didn't recognize the game. Hell to think i was complaining in WotLK that the good old vanilla days where best ... we'll who had thought rock bottom was still THAT far away. I just don't get how you can change a game that much without pissing off your player base ... then again maybe the people playing WoW through BC till WotLK are long gone anyway.

That got me thinking, about the difference of a developer having a clear vision and hoping to find a way to sell it to a customer base, and a developer wanting to sell to a customer base first, and changing the product every which way to appeal to whatever is currently the biggest demographic.

  UOlover

Novice Member

Joined: 8/03/10
Posts: 330

4/28/13 3:07:07 PM#524
400k and change to go!
  Rocketeer

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Posts: 1310

4/28/13 3:20:56 PM#525
Originally posted by UOlover
Someone do us a favor and pledge 400k, pretty please

I'll send an email to bill gates asking nicely. I mean the game is going to run on windows ... surely that suffices?

  ananda

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Joined: 7/08/09
Posts: 43

4/28/13 5:32:39 PM#526

I just read this interesting article, from Star Citizen's founder: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-04-22-chris-roberts-how-incredible-community-transforms-development

He had an interesting point about the number of backers that you could expect for a niche game at this stage of development:

My gut sense is that 5 to 10 percent of your audience is going to back you early, and I think that number is variable based on the quality. When you do something really good, it's a lower percentage; if you do something that isn't so good maybe it's 20 percent or 30 percent.

 

Not sure how correct that numbers are, or how well they apply to CU, but anecdotally, there are quite a number of people saying they don't want anything to do with kickstarter or with a game at this early stage, so imo they can be quite accurate. Basically, there are many people that won't give money based on promises, potential, and hope alone (including me. As an aside, there's not much that anyone could do to convince us otherwise, we just have a different risk apetite/financial situation/philosophical outlook).

 

So, if target audience is only 50k stable players, and maybe 100k-200k boxes sold in all, I think 10k backers is a good estimate of the total backers it is going to have. At the current rate, maybe it will go up to about 11k, maybe even 12k with a good surge, but I don't think it go much higher. What this says to me is that the current average pledge amount is probably still not high enough ($2m / 11k = $182).

  meddyck

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Joined: 1/18/08
Posts: 1125

4/28/13 6:20:47 PM#527
Originally posted by ananda

So, if target audience is only 50k stable players, and maybe 100k-200k boxes sold in all, I think 10k backers is a good estimate of the total backers it is going to have. At the current rate, maybe it will go up to about 11k, maybe even 12k with a good surge, but I don't think it go much higher. What this says to me is that the current average pledge amount is probably still not high enough ($2m / 11k = $182).

What amuses me in hindsight is before the Kickstarter opened, I was thinking in terms of it would need 25,000 people to give $80 each to fund which seemed vanishingly unlikely. Well that was very wrong. I never imagined there would be so many people willing to give multiple thousands of dollars to pre-order a video game. I'm glad there were those people though because without them this wouldn't have had a prayer. As it is, it'll be close but doable.

Camelot Unchained Founder
DAOC [retired]: R11 Cleric R11 Druid R11 Minstrel R9 Eldritch R6 Sorc R6 Scout R5 Healer

  Tierless

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/01/08
Posts: 2090

joie de vivre

4/28/13 7:06:28 PM#528

On the last day, when all looks dark, look to the east, look for me riding a pale steed as I unveil Operation: Join And Concentrate Our Backer Strength for Camelot Unchained
aka J.A.C.O.B.S for CU

FYI Thanks for everyone that helped with Operation: Rambo Unicorn Camelot Unchained aka RU-CU?

mmorpg.com/blogs/Xobdnas

  Aerowyn

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Joined: 2/20/12
Posts: 7969

4/28/13 7:11:58 PM#529

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  kadepsyson

Novice Member

Joined: 5/15/06
Posts: 1964

The doctors say his chances are 50/50...but there's only a 10% chance of that.

4/28/13 7:12:43 PM#530
I'd hate to see fans be disappointed in a couple years but luckily there's half a million dollars looking to prevent that

El Psy Congroo

  GKermichil

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Joined: 3/31/13
Posts: 32

4/28/13 7:34:50 PM#531
Originally posted by kadepsyson
I'd hate to see fans be disappointed in a couple years but luckily there's half a million dollars looking to prevent theat

edit: being nice

  MyTabbycat

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Joined: 8/19/12
Posts: 300

4/28/13 8:51:31 PM#532

Three days to go... do you think they will get enough last minute pledges to fund this? I know a lot of people were looking forward to it. It's not my thing but I'm sad to see it not get funded. Hopefully they have a backup plan.

Even if it's not funded, I don't think it should be scrapped entirely.

Have they said what they will do if the the Kickstarter fails?

  Aerowyn

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4/28/13 8:53:44 PM#533
Originally posted by MyTabbycat

Three days to go... do you think they will get enough last minute pledges to fund this? I know a lot of people were looking forward to it. It's not my thing but I'm sad to see it not get funded. Hopefully they have a backup plan.

Even if it's not funded, I don't think it should be scrapped entirely.

Have they said what they will do if the the Kickstarter fails?

he said it depends how close it gets.. if it hits like 1.9 million he would probably do another KS at a lower amount.. but nothings for sure

I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg

  simsalabim77

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Joined: 4/27/13
Posts: 608

4/28/13 9:02:23 PM#534
Originally posted by MyTabbycat

Three days to go... do you think they will get enough last minute pledges to fund this? I know a lot of people were looking forward to it. It's not my thing but I'm sad to see it not get funded. Hopefully they have a backup plan.

Even if it's not funded, I don't think it should be scrapped entirely.

Have they said what they will do if the the Kickstarter fails?

 

They have about 84 hours to raise $430,000. Seems extremely unlikely at this point unless they have an absolutely amazing next few days. I don't see how anyone could justify continuing the project from a business perspective if the Kickstarter fails. 

  SpottyGekko

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Joined: 9/26/04
Posts: 2724

4/29/13 2:53:11 AM#535

In the last 16 hours or so, another 187 backers were registered.

And the pledged total grew by $51,644.

 

That's $276 per new backer... which seems surprisingly high. Are they all buying "Lifetime Subs" @ $250 ?

 

But I'd imagine that a fair portion of that total increase is from existing backers increasing their pledges. A number of people have posted that they've increased their pledges lately to get to the $250 "Lifetime Sub" level.

 

The problem with this situation is that if 75% of the most dedicated fans all end-up buying lifetime subs, then the game will make zero sub income from these players once it launches. So the group that are almost guaranteed to play the game the most and the longest (and who will also have the highest expectations) will contribute nothing to the ongoing income of the game post-launch. That is not a very healthy situation, because there will be too many Lords and not enough peasants....

  expresso

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Posts: 2088

4/29/13 3:31:26 AM#536
Originally posted by SpottyGekko

In the last 16 hours or so, another 187 backers were registered.

And the pledged total grew by $51,644.

 

That's $276 per new backer... which seems surprisingly high. Are they all buying "Lifetime Subs" @ $250 ?

 

But I'd imagine that a fair portion of that total increase is from existing backers increasing their pledges. A number of people have posted that they've increased their pledges lately to get to the $250 "Lifetime Sub" level.

 

The problem with this situation is that if 75% of the most dedicated fans all end-up buying lifetime subs, then the game will make zero sub income from these players once it launches. So the group that are almost guaranteed to play the game the most and the longest (and who will also have the highest expectations) will contribute nothing to the ongoing income of the game post-launch. That is not a very healthy situation, because there will be too many Lords and not enough peasants....

Either way they still get $250, $50 box plus 13-14 months worth of sub fee's sure if the pledger players over 14 months then it's a problem but nothing to worry about right now.

It will get funded, wont get funded by real pledgers alone but you can be sure 300,000 will come from somewhere......

(hope this post dont get be temp banned like my other CU posts).

  MangaMaiden

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Joined: 2/06/11
Posts: 181

Would you destroy something perfect in order to make if beautiful?

4/29/13 3:38:55 AM#537

I am still suprised that some actually backed $10,000!

It is going to be close what ever the outcome.

  meddyck

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Joined: 1/18/08
Posts: 1125

4/29/13 5:45:38 AM#538
Originally posted by MyTabbycat

Three days to go... do you think they will get enough last minute pledges to fund this? I know a lot of people were looking forward to it. It's not my thing but I'm sad to see it not get funded. Hopefully they have a backup plan.

Even if it's not funded, I don't think it should be scrapped entirely.

Have they said what they will do if the the Kickstarter fails?

2 more days like the past 2 would get it over $1.7 million. Then the final 2 days (it ends Thursday just before noon) will be huge like other game Kickstarters. Don't be surprised if Mark opens a mysterious new $10,000 tier the final day which sells just enough to make up any gap too. I didn't think it was going to make it even 3 days ago, but now I feel pretty confident it will.

Camelot Unchained Founder
DAOC [retired]: R11 Cleric R11 Druid R11 Minstrel R9 Eldritch R6 Sorc R6 Scout R5 Healer

  meddyck

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Posts: 1125

4/29/13 5:56:25 AM#539
Originally posted by SpottyGekko

The problem with this situation is that if 75% of the most dedicated fans all end-up buying lifetime subs, then the game will make zero sub income from these players once it launches. So the group that are almost guaranteed to play the game the most and the longest (and who will also have the highest expectations) will contribute nothing to the ongoing income of the game post-launch. That is not a very healthy situation, because there will be too many Lords and not enough peasants....


By my very quick and rough count, it's something like 1,300 people who have pledged to lifetime sub tiers. Meanwhile there will be tens of thousands of people at launch who didn't pledge at all who will buy the game and sub. If it's a good game, it will more than make up the revenue from lifetime subbers from these people who didn't pledge at all. If it isn't good, then it will fail anyway so it won't matter. So there is nothing really to worry about with the lifetime subs. What's important right now is the $250+ they have donated to get the game funded.

Camelot Unchained Founder
DAOC [retired]: R11 Cleric R11 Druid R11 Minstrel R9 Eldritch R6 Sorc R6 Scout R5 Healer

  Gendark

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Joined: 3/08/04
Posts: 87

4/29/13 6:00:24 AM#540

Backers: 10027
Average Daily Pledges: $57,215
Average Pledge Per Backer: $160

This should be ilegal... 160$ per backer is an insane amount in a kickstarter campain. Anyway only 10k backers this is a clearly indication that this project is destined to fail, as MJ said they did the kickstarter to see if there where enought people interested, well you got 10k ... and your lower pledge tiers are empty...  so they should rethink how that went.

Also like some people said i will not be surprised if misteriously more 5k -10k tiers open up in the next day, just for closing the gap to be funded and grab the money.

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