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Star Citizen Forum » General Discussion » Getting a refund on star citizen

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  Agricola1

Novice Member

Joined: 1/30/06
Posts: 5042

"The one you call messiah is a lie"--- Gary Numan

4/20/14 12:36:37 PM#21
Originally posted by Jacxolope
Originally posted by Agricola1

First of all CIG never promised a F2P game to my knowledge. Second if you pledge $30 you get SQ42 and SC along with a ship and hangar. If you don't want to pledge yet desire a F2P game, then I'm afraid you never were looking in the right place.

 

BTW: SC will be B2P not P2P.

Yeah...But if you responding to me I said I havnt been following SC- MY comment was the fact that a dev can say "We will have 546 Ships for Free in your hangar with a $30 pledge" and after getting everyones $30 they can then say "Well, you actually get a hanger with zero ships. Ships are now $100/each"

 

I brought up greed monger because they broke EVERY promise they made... When people asked for refunds they were tol "fuck off- Our money"

I am saying the devs from any crowdfunding can take all the money pledged and buy hookers. Post the pics to their twitter with a big middle finger and a "HA HA Sucker" and never release the game...And you can do nothing about it.

So your whole "read what was promised" is moot- 100%...The ONLY thing you need to undertand in crowd funding is that you are GIVING money for nothing in return.There are NO promises. Nothing is legal binding. Your money can be burned in a pile and posted on youtube and you can do NOTHING regardless of the fact they promised you something.

 

-Thats all I am saying.

 

Again, havt been following THIS game. But reading what you "pledge" gets you in any crowdfunding venture means jack hit.

 

 

I agree that CIG could spend all the donations on cocaine and hookers rather than provide a game. But isn't crowd funding and Kick Starter completely Risk VS Reward when making a pledge for a game package?

It's not like it's some big secret, anyone old enough to make a pledge should take responsibility for their own decisions. It's stated plainly that nothing is legally binding and anything can change between now and release ... if it releases. So really people who complain only have themselves to blame.

I have noted no deception from CIG, as for other crowd funded games I cannot comment, since SC is the only one I've pledged towards ... and therefore the only one I educated myself on before donating money!

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"

CS Lewis

  Lobotomist

Elite Member

Joined: 5/20/07
Posts: 5032

I got so much trouble on my mind Refuse to lose.

4/20/14 12:41:20 PM#22
Originally posted by movros99

You want a refund on a donation?  Yeaaaaa.

I'll bite.

What is the cause of this decision?

Hehe. Good one.

 

I admit. I donated (minimum) at original kickstarter because I really wanted to see the game done and Elite was still not announced.

Now I am also skeptical. But except that you can not refund donation - I also know that C Roberts never delivered sub par space game. In fact all his games were excellent. So no need to fear.

  User Deleted
4/20/14 12:45:22 PM#23
Originally posted by Agricola1
Originally posted by Jacxolope
Originally posted by Agricola1

First of all CIG never promised a F2P game to my knowledge. Second if you pledge $30 you get SQ42 and SC along with a ship and hangar. If you don't want to pledge yet desire a F2P game, then I'm afraid you never were looking in the right place.

 

BTW: SC will be B2P not P2P.

Yeah...But if you responding to me I said I havnt been following SC- MY comment was the fact that a dev can say "We will have 546 Ships for Free in your hangar with a $30 pledge" and after getting everyones $30 they can then say "Well, you actually get a hanger with zero ships. Ships are now $100/each"

 

I brought up greed monger because they broke EVERY promise they made... When people asked for refunds they were tol "fuck off- Our money"

I am saying the devs from any crowdfunding can take all the money pledged and buy hookers. Post the pics to their twitter with a big middle finger and a "HA HA Sucker" and never release the game...And you can do nothing about it.

So your whole "read what was promised" is moot- 100%...The ONLY thing you need to undertand in crowd funding is that you are GIVING money for nothing in return.There are NO promises. Nothing is legal binding. Your money can be burned in a pile and posted on youtube and you can do NOTHING regardless of the fact they promised you something.

 

-Thats all I am saying.

 

Again, havt been following THIS game. But reading what you "pledge" gets you in any crowdfunding venture means jack hit.

 

 

I agree that CIG could spend all the donations on cocaine and hookers rather than provide a game. But isn't crowd funding and Kick Starter a completely Risk VS Reward when making a pledge for a game package?

It's not like it's some big secret, anyone old enough to make a pledge should take responsibility for their own decisions. It's stated plainly that nothing is legally binding and anything can change between now and release ... if it releases. So really people who complain only have themselves to blame.

I have noted no deception from CIG, as for other crowd funded games I cannot comment, since SC is the only one I've pledged towards ... and therefore the only one I educated myself on before donating money!

Yes. We are saying the same thing.

People need to understand that no matter what the website/page states on the day you give money- Everything can change (even the rewards) and the money is no longer yours or is there any implied and guranteed purchase that has happened. But most people dont get this.

I personally think that at the time of pledge it SHOULD be legal binding in some way. I was honestly amazed to actually see what was happening here after a few scams started going down. I mean you can blatantly flaunt it in peoples faces that you robbed them and they get nothing and there is nothing you can do- Like the "artist" who made a bunch of books and then burned them and posted the video and sent nothing- Even an Attorney who had pledged money was attempting a lawsuit on that one adnd if my memory is correct- There is none.

 

When I saw the greed monger situation go down I was less surprised but surprised by the blatant was a dev can say "You gave me this money regardelss, mine to do with as I want and you can do nothing" (paraphrase)

Now- I too use KS and have gotten some good games. I know there are good companies. This game may have one (I havnt followed it- Not my thing) but the misconception about KS is what I am touching on- MANY people think they are buying something. They are not. They are giving money. Period. 

SO thats where alot of the bitching and misconception comes in. People just need to get that whatever is on that website when you "pledge" (i.e. GIVE your money with no strings attached) means nothing.

  PumaClipper

Advanced Member

Joined: 8/19/13
Posts: 52

4/20/14 1:48:51 PM#24

Elite and Star Conflict are pretty much MMO flight sims.

Not an MMORPG, FPS, flight sim, universe/economic simulator, space trader, virtual reality, AAA, next gen, space/ground assult, super multi hybrid behemoth.

LIKE STAR CITIZEN

Compare apples to apples please.

So you are comparing a procedural space flight sim with Star Citizen.

That is apples and oranges. It's like comparing Double Dragon with Aion.

Elite: Dangerous isn't just a procedural space flight sim, it has RPG elements an extensive persistent universe with an extensive dynamic economy full scale freeform atmospheric flight and FPS mode with boarding and walking around on full scale planets next year.

See FAQ for more details http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Elite:_Dangerous_FAQ

  krage

Advanced Member

Joined: 5/22/11
Posts: 421

4/20/14 1:52:45 PM#25

If they give you a refund it is likely pure customer service because I am fairly certain you are not entitled to a refund through crowdfunded donations. You are not paying for any goods at all, you are donating to a project. On top of that as others have mentioned the project is PRE-ALPHA, and lets not even consider games are buggy POST-LAUNCH so your expectations are fairly unrealistic at this point in time and are at best reasonable a few months after launch.

All in all, the complaints seem like knee jerk reactions, much like the OR getting bought out by Facebook. Good luck getting a refund, and avoid crowdfunding in the future, it doesn't seem like you fully grasp the concept of crowdfunding and will do nothing but harm your wallet and the projects you donate to.

I have not donated to Star Citizen, I am on the fence until I see more gameplay...I posted in reply to this because of the OPs misconception of what crowdfunding is.

FROM THEIR TOS:

IV. Charges & Billing

RSI reserves the right to change its prices, fees, or billing methods at any time.

A. Fundraising & Pledges

RSI is raising funds for its roleplaying universe of “Star Citizen” and the space combat game “Squadron 42” (collectively, “Game”). You may select one or more of the pledges offered on the Website, or through RSI’s customer service, and pay the indicated amount(s) in accordance with the following terms agreed between you andRSI:

  • Your payment is a deposit to be used for a) the production and delivery cost for the pledge items (“Pledge Item Cost”), and (b) the development and production cost of the Game, including the Website cost, , and RSI’s corporate expenses associated with the foregoing (the “Game Cost”).
  • The deposit shall be earned by RSI and become non-refundable to the extent that it is used for the Pledge Item Cost and the Game Cost, with your deposit being applied as follows: first to the Pledge Item Cost, and then to the Game Cost in a percentage equal to the total applied Game Cost in relation to the total deposits of all contributors remaining after the Pledge Item Cost.
  • RSI agrees to use its good faith business efforts to deliver to you the pledge items and the Game on or before the estimated delivery date. However, you acknowledge and agree that delivery as of such date is not a promise by RSI since unforeseen events may extend the development and/or production time. Accordingly, you agree that any unearned portion of the deposit shall not be refundable until and unless RSIhas failed to deliver the pledge items and/or the Game to you within 12 months after the estimated delivery date.
  • For the avoidance of doubt, in consideration of RSI’s good faith efforts to develop, produce, and deliver the Game with the funds raised, you agree that any deposit amounts applied against the Pledge Item Cost and the Game Cost as described above shall be non-refundable regardless of whether or not RSI is able to complete and deliver the Game and/or the pledge items. In the unlikely event that RSI is not able to deliver the Game and/or the pledge items, RSI agrees to post an audited cost accounting on its website to fully explain the use of the deposits for the Game Cost and the Pledge Item Cost. In consideration of the promises by RSI hereunder, you agree to irrevocably waive any claim for refund of any deposit amount that has been used for the Game Cost and Pledge Item Cost in accordance with the above.
  • Once RSI has made all pledge items available to you and the Game has been commercially released to the public, all your payments for any RSI Services until such time shall become, and any payments thereafter shall be non-refundable in whole or in part.
  • For the avoidance of doubt, subscriptions for premium access to Website Content are not covered by this Section IV.A, but by Section IV.B below.

  grndzro

Hard Core Member

Joined: 2/21/06
Posts: 1176

4/20/14 2:31:15 PM#26
Originally posted by Jacxolope

I thought the same as you until following this...

You could try to obtain refunds through kickstarter or paypal, through your bank or credit card company. You could try to harass me or inconvenience me or tell other people negative things about me or this kickstarter in the hope that this will affect me negatively. Be aware that each attempt to contact me about this book will individually result in the burning of a book until the books are gone.....

There is probably a lot more good being done on KS than bad. This is a prime example of a shady project that people should have seen through.

A fool and his money are easily parted.

  Creatorzim

Novice Member

Joined: 11/15/11
Posts: 281

4/20/14 2:59:21 PM#27
Yes you can get a refund. Go through whoever you used, paypal, credit card, bank, etc. They will give you your money back. Tell them they lied and have changed what you bought. Theres a million reason you can get your money back from the companies you used to pay for star citizen.

  Retired

Apprentice Member

Joined: 4/02/08
Posts: 754

4/20/14 3:19:55 PM#28
lol, OP should have used Google before pledging. Chris Roberts created Wing Commander, one of the most famous games of all time. He probably could have funded Star Citizen himself rofl. if you thought Chris Roberts was "indie" you were mistaken from the get go.
  grndzro

Hard Core Member

Joined: 2/21/06
Posts: 1176

4/20/14 3:28:11 PM#29

So we got 500.000 backers and mabye 10 people on the whole planet that are upset.

I don't see a problem.

  screecwe

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/28/13
Posts: 107

4/21/14 2:37:49 PM#30
Originally posted by Creatorzim
Yes you can get a refund. Go through whoever you used, paypal, credit card, bank, etc. They will give you your money back. Tell them they lied and have changed what you bought. Theres a million reason you can get your money back from the companies you used to pay for star citizen.

 

So you're condoning fraud?

  Erillion

Elite Member

Joined: 8/25/04
Posts: 2931

11/12/14 8:41:11 AM#31
Originally posted by apanz3r

Does anybody know if it is possible to get a refund on star citizen ? I want to refund all the ships over the minimal package, or everything.

 

Situation at time of writing (November 2014):

Yes, you can get a refund.

CIG does and has given back the money to people who are dissatisfied.  Only recently one of the posters here got his 1000 $ pledge back. CIG has even refunded the pledge to a VERY vocal critic that is badmouthing the game for months now on many different gaming websites under various aliases.

Which tells ME a lot about the quality of CR and his team. They are not in it to make a big buck and then disappear. They want people to share their passion and vision for this project. If the interest in SC has gone, they refund.

You might even make a profit instead of asking for a straight refund. There is a "grey market" for LTI ships and you may sell them with a markup to interested backers.

http://themittani.com/features/star-citizens-grey-market

 

Have fun

  Amana

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11/12/14 1:30:41 PM#32
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