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  nexitem

Novice Member

Joined: 6/02/07
Posts: 4

5/11/13 9:48:24 AM#21

I find it very uncool by some of the people in this thread that you do not want donators, therefor the people that made this game possible to have something as a thank you.

 

I payd 150€ last October backed this game not because I wanted to win easy but I wanted to help Roberts make this game come true. As a thank you they give me a lifetime insurance on my Freelancer and I think i deserve it.

Without me and many other people there would be no Star Citizen.

  SavageHorizon

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Joined: 1/14/13
Posts: 1434

5/11/13 10:06:20 AM#22

So non backers who didn't want to help towards getting this game made are already moaning about backers putting their hands in their pockets to make this game a reality.

Why shouldn't they be rewarded lol, if that means an advantage at the start of the game then so be it.

 

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  nexitem

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Joined: 6/02/07
Posts: 4

5/11/13 10:09:26 AM#23

Its not even that much of an advantage, as everyone gets a very basic insurance, however Afaik as a backer I will get my full ship back.

 

  • Lifetime Insurance *
    • Replaces your ship hull in the event of destruction or theft.
    • Hull is replaced with an identical model in equivalent condition.
    • Effective indefinitely with no additional in-game fee.
  • Standard Hull Insurance *
    • Replaces your ship hull in the event of destruction or theft.
    • Hull is replaced with an identical model in equivalent condition.
    • Effective for a set period of time: currently one, three or six months.
    • Must be renewed with in-game credits once expired.
  Sulaa

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Joined: 7/13/11
Posts: 830

5/11/13 10:13:15 AM#24
Originally posted by Brenelael
Originally posted by Grimbor
Originally posted by Brenelael
Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by Brenelael

Also this game will be a game of player skill and not about who has the bigger gun.

How many (literally) hundreds of times have we heard that one as a marketing bullet point?

This isn't a "Marketing Bullet Point". In Fact it isn't even mentioned by the developers at all because it doesn't need to be. The very nature of the game makes it a factual statement. There will be no Tab Targeting like in a conventional MMO or RPG game. You have to manually target your guns to score a hit. Like I said before you could have the Death Ray of Doom and Destruction mounted on your ship and it won't do you a bit of good if you never get a clean shot at your opponent. The computer won't be aiming it for you using a "To Hit" dice roll to decide the outcome.

 

Bren

[mod edit] a skilled player with your Ray of Doom and Destruction attached to their ship will have an unfair advantage.  Sounds like a good game to skip.

Thank you for agreeing with me that it will take player skill to win no matter what you have mounted on your ship. [mod edit]

 

Bren

In basically all games with microtransactions even those universally acclaimed as p2w - player skill is needed.  Not much games offer literally "I win if you press me" button in store.   Star Citizen is not diffrent than f2p Korean and Chinese mmorpg's in this matter.

  morbuskabis

Novice Member

Joined: 10/25/05
Posts: 298

5/11/13 10:15:34 AM#25


Originally posted by Sulaa

Originally posted by Brenelael

Originally posted by Grimbor

Originally posted by Brenelael

Originally posted by Icewhite

Originally posted by Brenelael Also this game will be a game of player skill and not about who has the bigger gun.
How many (literally) hundreds of times have we heard that one as a marketing bullet point?
This isn't a "Marketing Bullet Point". In Fact it isn't even mentioned by the developers at all because it doesn't need to be. The very nature of the game makes it a factual statement. There will be no Tab Targeting like in a conventional MMO or RPG game. You have to manually target your guns to score a hit. Like I said before you could have the Death Ray of Doom and Destruction mounted on your ship and it won't do you a bit of good if you never get a clean shot at your opponent. The computer won't be aiming it for you using a "To Hit" dice roll to decide the outcome.   Bren
[mod edit] a skilled player with your Ray of Doom and Destruction attached to their ship will have an unfair advantage.  Sounds like a good game to skip.
Thank you for agreeing with me that it will take player skill to win no matter what you have mounted on your ship. [mod edit]   Bren
In basically all games with microtransactions even those universally acclaimed as p2w - player skill is needed.  Not much games offer literally "I win if you press me" button in store.   Star Citizen is not diffrent than f2p Korean and Chinese mmorpg's in this matter.

Ah cool you played the game allready? How is it?

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  dotdotdash

Hard Core Member

Joined: 6/01/11
Posts: 334

5/11/13 10:20:26 AM#26


Originally posted by nexitem
I find it very uncool by some of the people in this thread that you do not want donators, therefor the people that made this game possible to have something as a thank you.

 

I payd 150€ last October backed this game not because I wanted to win easy but I wanted to help Roberts make this game come true. As a thank you they give me a lifetime insurance on my Freelancer and I think i deserve it.

Without me and many other people there would be no Star Citizen.


No one is saying you don't deserve something for your money.

Most people are saying that you don't deserve an inherent advantage within the game for your money. Because you don't.

By merit of the fact that you've come here and said "I like my lifetime insurance", you are condoning the act of allowing players to pay to dominate, and subsequently condoning pay to win.

You DID fork out 150 Euros (what's that? Like.. $6?), so you're vision is clouded. I wouldn't expect you to understand.

  nexitem

Novice Member

Joined: 6/02/07
Posts: 4

5/11/13 10:30:41 AM#27

You are very wrong if you think that the life time insurance is a advantage, Every player will be able to get the basic one for no big price, I know this because I am watchting every little detail of this game.

I think you are not getting my point here, But I guess thats my fault for sounding a bit cocky in that post before.

Please don't get me wrong, I HATE pay2win, I rather pay a monthly bill before having a stupid ingame shop that provides people with things for money. ( Looking at you neverwinter )

I can promise you people that you will not have a disadvantage when the game gets released, The cheapest insurance will get you your ship back without any huge loss besides the cargo and maybe some of the hull upgrades etc. But losing a ship is very hard and it should not happen in sectors where the police is active. If you lose your ship outside those sectors its your fault for going in those unsecure places.

PS: 150 Euro are 194,73 US-dollar currently. I did not pay this high amount of money to get an advantage but to help kickstarting this game. I do not regret anything.

  killion81

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Joined: 8/31/06
Posts: 866

5/11/13 10:30:44 AM#28
Originally posted by dotdotdash

 


Originally posted by nexitem
I find it very uncool by some of the people in this thread that you do not want donators, therefor the people that made this game possible to have something as a thank you.

 

 

I payd 150€ last October backed this game not because I wanted to win easy but I wanted to help Roberts make this game come true. As a thank you they give me a lifetime insurance on my Freelancer and I think i deserve it.

Without me and many other people there would be no Star Citizen.


 

No one is saying you don't deserve something for your money.

Most people are saying that you don't deserve an inherent advantage within the game for your money. Because you don't.

By merit of the fact that you've come here and said "I like my lifetime insurance", you are condoning the act of allowing players to pay to dominate, and subsequently condoning pay to win.

You DID fork out 150 Euros (what's that? Like.. $6?), so you're vision is clouded. I wouldn't expect you to understand.

 

You may want to look up currency conversion rates.  The dollar is not nearly as strong as you think it is...

 

(150 Euros = $194.90 under current exchange rates)

  dotdotdash

Hard Core Member

Joined: 6/01/11
Posts: 334

5/11/13 10:43:27 AM#29


Originally posted by killion81

Originally posted by dotdotdash  

Originally posted by nexitem I find it very uncool by some of the people in this thread that you do not want donators, therefor the people that made this game possible to have something as a thank you.     I payd 150€ last October backed this game not because I wanted to win easy but I wanted to help Roberts make this game come true. As a thank you they give me a lifetime insurance on my Freelancer and I think i deserve it. Without me and many other people there would be no Star Citizen.
  No one is saying you don't deserve something for your money. Most people are saying that you don't deserve an inherent advantage within the game for your money. Because you don't. By merit of the fact that you've come here and said "I like my lifetime insurance", you are condoning the act of allowing players to pay to dominate, and subsequently condoning pay to win. You DID fork out 150 Euros (what's that? Like.. $6?), so you're vision is clouded. I wouldn't expect you to understand.
 

You may want to look up currency conversion rates.  The dollar is not nearly as strong as you think it is...

 

(150 Euros = $194.90 under current exchange rates)


I was being sardonic. I wouldn't expect you to understand.

  Agent_Joseph

Hard Core Member

Joined: 11/11/06
Posts: 663

5/11/13 10:49:15 AM#30

devs/companies making games for get money...be sure after SC done,they ll sell useful stuff in game store no matter what they talking  about P2W,now.

All is about money .

 

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  nexitem

Novice Member

Joined: 6/02/07
Posts: 4

5/11/13 10:51:34 AM#31
Originally posted by Agent_Joseph

devs/companies making games for get money...be sure after SC done,they ll sell useful stuff in game store no matter what they talking  about P2W,now.

All is about money .

It is kinda sad that you think like that. I hope you will be proven wrong once.

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