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Darkfall: Unholy Wars Forum » General Discussion » Thread: Upcoming Combat Gameplay Update

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  Lustmord

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OP  9/30/13 12:57:12 AM#1

Upcoming Combat Gameplay Update

<blockquote restore="" "=""> For the past couple of months we have been focusing on combat gameplay issues and balancing combat gameplay in Darkfall Unholy Wars.

With your help, we have identified issues with sustainability and limited survivability of some roles as well as the extreme flexibility of others. Some balance issues are made apparent by player preference, for example the strong preference to the Warrior role is a clear indication that something is off. Others are made obvious through experiencing them, for example the very short duration of Skirmisher and Elementalist battles.

Making changes to combat gameplay is definitely not simple. Our process includes taking the feedback, identifying the core issues, looking at our own data and our own gameplay observations, creating scenarios, running tests, crunching the numbers, testing everything, verifying everything fits together and repeating. Everything needs to be implemented at the same time and to be thoroughly tested making sure that reasonable balance is maintained. The result are many changes across the board, the goal is to make combat more fun, exciting and challenging, while achieving a healthy balance between all roles.

There is an upcoming patch which will apply all these changes. Since we are still running tests and making adjustments and last minute additions, we will post specific details sometime next week when these tests are concluded. Until then I’ll share with you our main focus areas:

Balancing at the high skill tier while addressing Time-To-Kill (TTK).
A couple of glaring issues here, among others to be discussed next week, are the Warrior role while meant to be an “easy” entry-level choice for players has also become the role of choice for a large percentage of DFUW players at high-skill tiers, especially in group situations. Also, Skirmishers and Elementalists taking too much damage from ranged attacks resulting in much shorter TTK compared to Warriors.

Sustainability and transfers
The proper timing for changes to transfers is during overall balancing changes, since changes to transfers will affect roles differently. In short, net gains from transfers are increased while cooldown is decreased.

Skill Changes
There are many skill adjustments to every role in order to support the combat mechanic and balancing changes. We will present the full list next week.

There are also some improvements to supporting combat mechanics.

We greatly appreciate the player feedback and suggestions to date. We will be improving our current feedback mechanism and player developer interaction in the weeks to come, so that the many players who consistently offer good feedback will be able to do so at a higher level.

Thank you for reading.
https://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?380545-Upcoming-Combat-Gameplay-Update
  gamekid2k

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10/01/13 7:02:14 AM#2
As a pvp game, this is probably the most important patch ever!  I hope they will tone down the OP classeses and buff up a Prim survivability. 

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  DarthRaiden

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10/02/13 6:36:29 AM#3

zzzzzZZZZZzzzzz ...PvP...zzzZZZZZzzzzzz.. Combat....zzzZZZZzz

 

Where is the important changes that would bring back the big playerbase that was intrested in DF ?

Meaningless brute force / PvP  for epeen  is getting old  rather quick.

 

 

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  xpiher

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10/02/13 6:53:08 AM#4
Originally posted by DarthRaiden

zzzzzZZZZZzzzzz ...PvP...zzzZZZZZzzzzzz.. Combat....zzzZZZZzz

 

Where is the important changes that would bring back the big playerbase that was intrested in DF ?

Meaningless brute force / PvP  for epeen  is getting old  rather quick.

 

 

DFO never had the content that attracted everyone who played the game a EU1 launch. That's why that population will never be equaled.


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  Deerhunter71

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10/02/13 9:10:31 PM#5
Unfortunately way too little - way too late.
  User Deleted
10/02/13 11:21:02 PM#6
Originally posted by xpiher
Originally posted by DarthRaiden

zzzzzZZZZZzzzzz ...PvP...zzzZZZZZzzzzzz.. Combat....zzzZZZZzz

 

Where is the important changes that would bring back the big playerbase that was intrested in DF ?

Meaningless brute force / PvP  for epeen  is getting old  rather quick.

 

 

DFO never had the content that attracted everyone who played the game a EU1 launch. That's why that population will never be equaled.

Umm what?

  xpiher

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Posts: 3301

10/03/13 1:37:32 AM#7
Originally posted by ilives
Originally posted by xpiher
Originally posted by DarthRaiden

zzzzzZZZZZzzzzz ...PvP...zzzZZZZZzzzzzz.. Combat....zzzZZZZzz

 

Where is the important changes that would bring back the big playerbase that was intrested in DF ?

Meaningless brute force / PvP  for epeen  is getting old  rather quick.

 

 

DFO never had the content that attracted everyone who played the game a EU1 launch. That's why that population will never be equaled.

Umm what?

 

The people who played DFO at EU1 launch were attracted to the game by content that never existed: skill decay, god events, lore driven PvP with the ability to ignore it with penalty, 4LR, sieges that worked, etc. As soon as it was discovered that none of this stuff would make it into the game, population went into a nose dive. 


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  User Deleted
10/03/13 10:39:10 AM#8
Originally posted by xpiher
Originally posted by ilives
Originally posted by xpiher
Originally posted by DarthRaiden

zzzzzZZZZZzzzzz ...PvP...zzzZZZZZzzzzzz.. Combat....zzzZZZZzz

 

Where is the important changes that would bring back the big playerbase that was intrested in DF ?

Meaningless brute force / PvP  for epeen  is getting old  rather quick.

 

 

DFO never had the content that attracted everyone who played the game a EU1 launch. That's why that population will never be equaled.

Umm what?

 

The people who played DFO at EU1 launch were attracted to the game by content that never existed: skill decay, god events, lore driven PvP with the ability to ignore it with penalty, 4LR, sieges that worked, etc. As soon as it was discovered that none of this stuff would make it into the game, population went into a nose dive. 

That is why DFUW is such a flop, (most) people learned from their first dealings with AV.

  MrBoots

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10/04/13 8:33:57 AM#9
AV delivered on about 10% of their promises, and the 10% that did make it into the game was poorly designed/implemented.
  User Deleted
10/04/13 12:11:16 PM#10
Originally posted by MrBoots
AV delivered on about 10% of their promises, and the 10% that did make it into the game was poorly designed/implemented.

Are you referring to DF1,DFUW or both?

 

I'm still waiting on all those dungeons Tasos said were finished months ago, in fact DFUW was advertised to offer hundreds. Which was later edited AFTER pre-orders along with the "vast underwater world".

 

AV has always been good about "selling a game" , but actually delivering is a different story.

  Realbigdeal

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Joined: 9/28/08
Posts: 1648

10/05/13 8:46:15 AM#11

The patch is out and it's not enough to bring me back. I'm a mage and the one on one balance was not my problem coz i was good enough to kill warriors and skirmishers. It's mostly the utilities that ruined it for me since this is a sandbox game.

For example: Skimishers can use evade and dash to reach a mounted player no matter how far he is. Now with the duelist, he can now reset his cooldowns and dash, evade, leap twice to reach a mount within a sec. This ult needs to work for duelist's abilities only.

Warriors are fine now so i have nothing against them.

The resurrection spell of the primalist is the worse. With this alone, a naked primalist is more than enough. They receive 100%hp and half stamina so it's better to wait for them to fall instead of wasting mana too soon.

Once again, mages have 0 mobility spells. We can't outrun skirmishers and we need a mount to escape from a warriors. I just want a blink or something just to step away from a fight that i did no asked for. 

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  Fearum

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Joined: 1/15/11
Posts: 1092

10/05/13 8:57:38 AM#12
I will not resub until they add the rest of the school's for each class and also the rest of the game.  AV needs to get their heads out of their ass's and finish the game before I give them anymore money. 
  Deerhunter71

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Joined: 10/25/05
Posts: 552

10/05/13 12:09:51 PM#13
Originally posted by ilives
Originally posted by MrBoots
AV delivered on about 10% of their promises, and the 10% that did make it into the game was poorly designed/implemented.

Are you referring to DF1,DFUW or both?

 

I'm still waiting on all those dungeons Tasos said were finished months ago, in fact DFUW was advertised to offer hundreds. Which was later edited AFTER pre-orders along with the "vast underwater world".

 

AV has always been good about "selling a game" , but actually delivering is a different story.

Exactly - last November 29 dungeons were all done and 1 year later barely any are in game....

  Lustmord

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Joined: 12/21/05
Posts: 1078

 
OP  10/11/13 12:54:11 AM#14
Originally posted by Deerhunter71
Originally posted by ilives
Originally posted by MrBoots
AV delivered on about 10% of their promises, and the 10% that did make it into the game was poorly designed/implemented.

Are you referring to DF1,DFUW or both?

 

I'm still waiting on all those dungeons Tasos said were finished months ago, in fact DFUW was advertised to offer hundreds. Which was later edited AFTER pre-orders along with the "vast underwater world".

 

AV has always been good about "selling a game" , but actually delivering is a different story.

Exactly - last November 29 dungeons were all done and 1 year later barely any are in game....

Get over it.

We have 3 dungeons, and they are each more awesome than the last.

For all we know 29 dungeons are done and ready, but AV doesn't want to make the world too big with 29 dungeons.

I'm still working on the 3 dungeons we got, and more will come out when we need them.

  Deerhunter71

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Posts: 552

10/11/13 8:53:33 AM#15
Originally posted by Lustmord
Originally posted by Deerhunter71
Originally posted by ilives
Originally posted by MrBoots
AV delivered on about 10% of their promises, and the 10% that did make it into the game was poorly designed/implemented.

Are you referring to DF1,DFUW or both?

 

I'm still waiting on all those dungeons Tasos said were finished months ago, in fact DFUW was advertised to offer hundreds. Which was later edited AFTER pre-orders along with the "vast underwater world".

 

AV has always been good about "selling a game" , but actually delivering is a different story.

Exactly - last November 29 dungeons were all done and 1 year later barely any are in game....

Get over it.

We have 3 dungeons, and they are each more awesome than the last.

For all we know 29 dungeons are done and ready, but AV doesn't want to make the world too big with 29 dungeons.

I'm still working on the 3 dungeons we got, and more will come out when we need them.

A few points:

 

1) 1 of the dungeons are better than the last and 2 are basically the same crap from DF1 with high respawn timers

 

2) AV does not want to make the world too big with 29 dungeons?  Last I saw you teleport into them so you can put the portals wherever you want and not make the world too big...  Especially with how cheap it is to teleport with the fast travel.  But yeah I AM SURE for all we know the 29 are done and ready.....- good one!

  Lustmord

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Joined: 12/21/05
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OP  10/11/13 9:08:09 AM#16
Originally posted by Deerhunter71
Originally posted by Lustmord
Originally posted by Deerhunter71
Originally posted by ilives
Originally posted by MrBoots
AV delivered on about 10% of their promises, and the 10% that did make it into the game was poorly designed/implemented.

Are you referring to DF1,DFUW or both?

 

I'm still waiting on all those dungeons Tasos said were finished months ago, in fact DFUW was advertised to offer hundreds. Which was later edited AFTER pre-orders along with the "vast underwater world".

 

AV has always been good about "selling a game" , but actually delivering is a different story.

Exactly - last November 29 dungeons were all done and 1 year later barely any are in game....

Get over it.

We have 3 dungeons, and they are each more awesome than the last.

For all we know 29 dungeons are done and ready, but AV doesn't want to make the world too big with 29 dungeons.

I'm still working on the 3 dungeons we got, and more will come out when we need them.

A few points:

 

1) 1 of the dungeons are better than the last and 2 are basically the same crap from DF1 with high respawn timers

 

2) AV does not want to make the world too big with 29 dungeons?  Last I saw you teleport into them so you can put the portals wherever you want and not make the world too big...  Especially with how cheap it is to teleport with the fast travel.  But yeah I AM SURE for all we know the 29 are done and ready.....- good one!

29 dungeons would be 29 more places to go, thus the world will be bigger, and people will be more spread out.

get a clue.

  Deerhunter71

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Joined: 10/25/05
Posts: 552

10/11/13 11:56:06 AM#17
While putting more content in the game and MORE places to go find people....
  User Deleted
10/11/13 12:13:44 PM#18
Originally posted by Lustmord
Originally posted by Deerhunter71
Originally posted by Lustmord
 

Get over it.

We have 3 dungeons, and they are each more awesome than the last.

For all we know 29 dungeons are done and ready, but AV doesn't want to make the world too big with 29 dungeons.

I'm still working on the 3 dungeons we got, and more will come out when we need them.

A few points:

 

1) 1 of the dungeons are better than the last and 2 are basically the same crap from DF1 with high respawn timers

 

2) AV does not want to make the world too big with 29 dungeons?  Last I saw you teleport into them so you can put the portals wherever you want and not make the world too big...  Especially with how cheap it is to teleport with the fast travel.  But yeah I AM SURE for all we know the 29 are done and ready.....- good one!

29 dungeons would be 29 more places to go, thus the world will be bigger, and people will be more spread out.

get a clue.

You just said there were "tons" of people on NA , doens't that normally imply excess?

Perhaps new content would = new players?

If you're saying the game population can't survive new content than the game is already doomed.  Also, I'd don't remember dungeons being excessively large given DFUW  landmass .

 

  Lustmord

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Joined: 12/21/05
Posts: 1078

 
OP  10/11/13 6:26:15 PM#19

Okay guys..

Let's put on thinking caps on and really try to work this out....

If they were to release 29 dungeons tommorrow...

That would be 29 zones for people to scatter and hide in. That would make the word a lot bigger, and more boring.

 

If you average 5k prowess from each dungeons feats alone, completing these dungeons would give over 145k additional prowess, and there is not enough stuff in the game yet to spend that prowess on.

 

Really, let's think about it.

There's a reason why AV is staggering their content. There is a method to the madness.

  User Deleted
10/11/13 8:24:03 PM#20
So they only have enough people to support 3 dungeons? So we're forced to do the same thing over and over in hopes we get enough people to open more? I thought DFUW was supposed to be a sandbox?  AV opening and locking parts of the world sure sounds like a theme park to me.
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